woah a 4 from gamespot and 7.1 at ign, 5.5 from polygon
Looks like the main culprit is bad repetitive gameplay, which was honestly my biggest concern when watching the trailers, it just looked unsatisfying to shoot and interact with the enemies
Well, only 5 more hours and we'll see for ourselves.
As long as the humor is fun and story is not bad, i can deal with some repetitiveness in gameplay, as long as the gameplay itself is good.
7.1 is a good score, 8 from GameInformer. Haven't seen any complaints about "bad" gameplay, just that the slightly randomized missions get a bit samey. Actual combat, and the agents themselves appear to be a blast. I'm very excited to get home from work today because this is my most anticipated game for this year and it's finally here!
The only thing that irks me as a huge Saint's Row fan, is that I don't get to have Johnny Gat in my game... that really stings, especially since he's in like, all the trailers and marketing.
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7.1 is a good score, 8 from GameInformer. Haven't seen any complaints about "bad" gameplay, just that the slightly randomized missions get a bit samey. Actual combat, and the agents themselves appear to be a blast. I'm very excited to get home from work today because this is my most anticipated game for this year and it's finally here!
The only thing that irks me as a huge Saint's Row fan, is that I don't get to have Johnny Gat in my game... that really stings, especially since he's in like, all the trailers and marketing.
re: reviews - piss poor optimization as well. Thats spooky enough for me to give it time....
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7.1 is a good score, 8 from GameInformer. Haven't seen any complaints about "bad" gameplay, just that the slightly randomized missions get a bit samey. Actual combat, and the agents themselves appear to be a blast. I'm very excited to get home from work today because this is my most anticipated game for this year and it's finally here!
The only thing that irks me as a huge Saint's Row fan, is that I don't get to have Johnny Gat in my game... that really stings, especially since he's in like, all the trailers and marketing.
he'll be DLC later and will probably cost less than the amount you saved from the Prime discount so it's not all that bad.
Would be cool if it was Day 1 DLC that I could begrudgingly pick up today. I'll probably be done with the game for a while by the time he's available =/
Edit: Daisy is gonna be my jam though! All the Agents look great really, but I'm stuck with Pierce instead of Gat. Booooo! Oleg is technically there too, so that's cool.
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The only thing that irks me as a huge Saint's Row fan, is that I don't get to have Johnny Gat in my game... that really stings, especially since he's in like, all the trailers and marketing.
The thing that irks me as a Saints Row fan is that Johnny Gat is everywhere. Like, yeah, Gat was there since the first game, but he wasn't anything special and the way the games increasingly treat him as the Second Coming really started getting on my nerves.
Other Saints were good, too. It wasn't just the Boss & Gat Show.
The series needed a face and the Boss doesn't have a default one. It's not surprising that they went for the only other character who was in every game.
Gat is The Boss' equal. He gets to be the face of the franchise because Boss doesn't have a default like Burnage said. He's like Garrus from Mass Effect. Nothing special in the 1st game, but the second game force-fed you that he's your badass best bud and it worked.
There are other Saints that are cool. Fun Shaundi (nuShaundi was just too much of a bitch...), Oleg, and Kinzie are rad but they're not on that same badass level as Gat and The Boss.
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I don't remember a single thing Gat ever said or did. If it hadn't been for that Gat trailer AoM released, I couldn't even have told you what he looks like.
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I don't remember a single thing Gat ever said or did. If it hadn't been for that Gat trailer AoM released, I couldn't even have told you what he looks like.
Seriously this. Stop trying to make Gat happen. the game is the star not that guy.
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The Ronin stuff in SR2, conquering Hell(with Kinzie!) and rebooting Earth are his notables. Also, he was such a threat that Zinyak preemptively abducted him so that his invasion of Earth would succeed. That's a retcon, but it's still canon!
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Ronin missions in SR2 solidified Gat as awesome for me.
Yeah, SR2 is pretty much where all of the "Gat is a badass" stuff comes from. He's basically the leading hero of an incredibly dark revenge film and you're just tagging along for the ride.
If you've only played 3 and 4 it won't have felt like he earned the title at all.
I've played 2, 3 and 4 just never finished them because I hated the stupid "you're the best badass criminal" storylines. Every character was repugnant and I hated having to see them. I just liked the gameplay.
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SR2 is my favorite of the bunch.
Still, Gat who?
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Gat in SR2 was a driving force in one of the best parts of the game, he is also canonically equal to the Boss in badassery (if not better), and he is also Boss's best buddy with almost all their interactions being some level of funny, badass, or touching.
His shitty "death" in SR3 pretty much martyred him to large parts of the audience (the DLC did not help), and his return in SR4 was also pretty awesome.
I entered the franchise in SR2, and Gat was from the moment you saw him one of the best parts of the game in everyway.
Gat in SR2 was a driving force in one of the best parts of the game, he is also canonically equal to the Boss in badassery (if not better), and he is also Boss's best buddy with almost all their interactions being some level of funny, badass, or touching.
His shitty "death" in SR3 pretty much martyred him to large parts of the audience (the DLC did not help), and his return in SR4 was also pretty awesome.
I entered the franchise in SR2, and Gat was from the moment you saw him one of the best parts of the game in everyway.
I skipped all the story cuts in all the SR games except 2 because my roommate played the hell out of it and I watched so I saw all the Gat stuff from SR2.
Still don't even vaguely remember him at all. So "not really?" to all that.
Gat in SR2 was a driving force in one of the best parts of the game, he is also canonically equal to the Boss in badassery (if not better), and he is also Boss's best buddy with almost all their interactions being some level of funny, badass, or touching.
His shitty "death" in SR3 pretty much martyred him to large parts of the audience (the DLC did not help), and his return in SR4 was also pretty awesome.
I entered the franchise in SR2, and Gat was from the moment you saw him one of the best parts of the game in everyway.
I skipped all the story cuts in all the SR games except 2 because my roommate played the hell out of it and I watched so I saw all the Gat stuff from SR2.
Still don't even vaguely remember him at all. So "not really?" to all that.
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but again, i really hated the characters. i didn't find them "badass" at all they just came off as selfish and pathetic so it probably just got thrown on the pile iof dumb scenes i hated
admittedly i am not even vaguely the target audience for the setting tho. i just signed up for running around and exploring the city. i didn't even drive anywhere!
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i have to say i'm surprised by the negative reviews. i watched some guy playing it on the youtubes and it looked pretty fun, at least as good as SR3 if not 4.
i have to say i'm surprised by the negative reviews. i watched some guy playing it on the youtubes and it looked pretty fun, at least as good as SR3 if not 4.
It seems to be disjointed to date. Performance issues on PCs would obviously negatively impact PC centric reviews but the writing and comedy style is hit and miss for some and some can't help comparing the gameplay to SR4.
Gat in SR2 was a driving force in one of the best parts of the game, he is also canonically equal to the Boss in badassery (if not better), and he is also Boss's best buddy with almost all their interactions being some level of funny, badass, or touching.
His shitty "death" in SR3 pretty much martyred him to large parts of the audience (the DLC did not help), and his return in SR4 was also pretty awesome.
I entered the franchise in SR2, and Gat was from the moment you saw him one of the best parts of the game in everyway.
Gat's Ronin plot did have some pretty sweet moments, yes.
But... it also leaves Gat out of action for several missions. And because the game is structured in such a way that you can follow whichever gang plotline whenever you want means that Gat does not and cannot show up for the other gang lines because, at any moment, he might be in the hospital and shouldn't be around. So he isn't.
Which means that Gat is out of the picture for a huge chunk of the game and Shaundi and Pierce are around basically all the time, being your actual buddies and strategists no matter what you're doing.
Then he gets taken out at the start of 3 and returns pretty late in 4.
Gat's few badass moments doesn't make up for the fact that he's just not around nearly often or long enough to earn all that adulation the games apparently want us to feel for him.
i have to say i'm surprised by the negative reviews. i watched some guy playing it on the youtubes and it looked pretty fun, at least as good as SR3 if not 4.
It seems to be disjointed to date. Performance issues on PCs would obviously negatively impact PC centric reviews but the writing and comedy style is hit and miss for some and some can't help comparing the gameplay to SR4.
Yeah, a lot of what I've heard is the game just isn't funny but tries hard to be which makes it worse and as an open world game it fails but as an action game it succeeds wildly.
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"Joke adjacent" is how Justin McElroy at Polygon describes the humor, which he describes as such: "it’s delivered with the tone, pacing and structure of a joke, but is not, in actuality, funny in any way." Ouch.
That's a huge bummer, because the writing is the number one reason I enjoyed SR3 and 4; I thought the humor was very insightful and clever (despite disguising itself as low-brow), the characterization was masterful (note: I can see how one can dislike the characters, but I think that's a separate issue from whether or not they are successfully characterized as three-dimensional entities, or at least as interesting and entertaining two-dimensional entities), and I kinda got invested in the storyline completely, 100%. The action was, in my experience, so-so. In SR3 is was something I did to get more story; in SR4 and Gat Out of Hell, I did really enjoy the freedom granted by the super-powers.
If the writing is less successful in Agents, then I'm not sure I really care how good the action is. I mean, it'll be good to play a competent action game, certainly, but I'll be glum the whole time.
Anyway, I'll find out how this clicks for me soon enough, as I've had the game pre-ordered for a while.
"Joke adjacent" is how Justin McElroy at Polygon describes the humor, which he describes as such: "it’s delivered with the tone, pacing and structure of a joke, but is not, in actuality, funny in any way." Ouch.
Comedy has always been one of the toughest things to write and review. An anime reviewer I followed back in the 2000s frequently pointed out that humor is extremely subjective whenever he started a review of a comedy work. With referential humor, it's even tougher because what makes a piece of media work can be subjective to say nothing of whether the viewer is even familiar with it. SR4 had a sequence where the Boss and Zinyak recite dialogue from the Transformers movie while The Touch is playing in the background without any indication that it's a big reference. Similarly the material that AoM is parodying hasn't really been big for quite some time and now we all feel old.
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Having sat and actually played this for a bit, my memories of Crackdown are faded by age, but I can feel the influence it had in a good way. Only gone into missions far enough to unlock my first agent beyond the starters, and she's gonna get swapped into my triad once I dive back in, I liked how she handled in her intro.
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"Joke adjacent" is how Justin McElroy at Polygon describes the humor, which he describes as such: "it’s delivered with the tone, pacing and structure of a joke, but is not, in actuality, funny in any way." Ouch.
Funny, that's how I would describe the McElroy's.
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Looks like the main culprit is bad repetitive gameplay, which was honestly my biggest concern when watching the trailers, it just looked unsatisfying to shoot and interact with the enemies
As long as the humor is fun and story is not bad, i can deal with some repetitiveness in gameplay, as long as the gameplay itself is good.
The only thing that irks me as a huge Saint's Row fan, is that I don't get to have Johnny Gat in my game... that really stings, especially since he's in like, all the trailers and marketing.
re: reviews - piss poor optimization as well. Thats spooky enough for me to give it time....
he'll be DLC later and will probably cost less than the amount you saved from the Prime discount so it's not all that bad.
but i agree they handled it really stupidly
Edit: Daisy is gonna be my jam though! All the Agents look great really, but I'm stuck with Pierce instead of Gat. Booooo! Oleg is technically there too, so that's cool.
The thing that irks me as a Saints Row fan is that Johnny Gat is everywhere. Like, yeah, Gat was there since the first game, but he wasn't anything special and the way the games increasingly treat him as the Second Coming really started getting on my nerves.
Other Saints were good, too. It wasn't just the Boss & Gat Show.
but then that's been true of almost all the SR characters
There are other Saints that are cool. Fun Shaundi (nuShaundi was just too much of a bitch...), Oleg, and Kinzie are rad but they're not on that same badass level as Gat and The Boss.
Seriously this. Stop trying to make Gat happen. the game is the star not that guy.
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Yeah, SR2 is pretty much where all of the "Gat is a badass" stuff comes from. He's basically the leading hero of an incredibly dark revenge film and you're just tagging along for the ride.
If you've only played 3 and 4 it won't have felt like he earned the title at all.
Still, Gat who?
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His shitty "death" in SR3 pretty much martyred him to large parts of the audience (the DLC did not help), and his return in SR4 was also pretty awesome.
I entered the franchise in SR2, and Gat was from the moment you saw him one of the best parts of the game in everyway.
I skipped all the story cuts in all the SR games except 2 because my roommate played the hell out of it and I watched so I saw all the Gat stuff from SR2.
Still don't even vaguely remember him at all. So "not really?" to all that.
The scene where
didn't stand out to you?
but again, i really hated the characters. i didn't find them "badass" at all they just came off as selfish and pathetic so it probably just got thrown on the pile iof dumb scenes i hated
admittedly i am not even vaguely the target audience for the setting tho. i just signed up for running around and exploring the city. i didn't even drive anywhere!
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It seems to be disjointed to date. Performance issues on PCs would obviously negatively impact PC centric reviews but the writing and comedy style is hit and miss for some and some can't help comparing the gameplay to SR4.
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Gat's Ronin plot did have some pretty sweet moments, yes.
But... it also leaves Gat out of action for several missions. And because the game is structured in such a way that you can follow whichever gang plotline whenever you want means that Gat does not and cannot show up for the other gang lines because, at any moment, he might be in the hospital and shouldn't be around. So he isn't.
Which means that Gat is out of the picture for a huge chunk of the game and Shaundi and Pierce are around basically all the time, being your actual buddies and strategists no matter what you're doing.
Then he gets taken out at the start of 3 and returns pretty late in 4.
Gat's few badass moments doesn't make up for the fact that he's just not around nearly often or long enough to earn all that adulation the games apparently want us to feel for him.
Yeah, a lot of what I've heard is the game just isn't funny but tries hard to be which makes it worse and as an open world game it fails but as an action game it succeeds wildly.
Honestly, reviews mean so very little to me these days. Often I find that the review community is looking for wildly different things than me.
If the writing is less successful in Agents, then I'm not sure I really care how good the action is. I mean, it'll be good to play a competent action game, certainly, but I'll be glum the whole time.
Anyway, I'll find out how this clicks for me soon enough, as I've had the game pre-ordered for a while.
Comedy has always been one of the toughest things to write and review. An anime reviewer I followed back in the 2000s frequently pointed out that humor is extremely subjective whenever he started a review of a comedy work. With referential humor, it's even tougher because what makes a piece of media work can be subjective to say nothing of whether the viewer is even familiar with it. SR4 had a sequence where the Boss and Zinyak recite dialogue from the Transformers movie while The Touch is playing in the background without any indication that it's a big reference. Similarly the material that AoM is parodying hasn't really been big for quite some time and now we all feel old.
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Funny, that's how I would describe the McElroy's.
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A lot of those bits were really confusing having never seen that movie in full.
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