Strategically, Half Life 3 would be a thing they would be better off not making until such a time as their other projects are not doing well, so that they could re-invest a massive amount of interest in their company and products. It would also be a useful thing to pair with the launch of their new box to help boost sales, but I'd not be surprised if they held any announcement until after they see how much the OS succeeds with their present catalog, and then use an announcement of the game to help spur sales once the initial interest starts to cool.
I don't know if I agree with that. Half Life 3 would be huge now but were they to wait too long to the point where they have multiple failing projects a single blockbuster title to win back lost market share isn't totally brilliant.
Not to mention that strategy doesn't really mesh with Newell and Valve's philosophies. Newell rebukes the business models of the traditional producer/developer not just because he doesn't care for their methods but also because he considers their models to be unsustainable. Putting all your eggs in one basket doesn't sound like a very Valve thing to do.
also at this point i'm sick of valve's marketing shtick because they're all predicated on the expectation of big things (i.e. videogames they've been implicitly promising people for various absurd amounts of time)
so they play games with their fans' expectations and at this point the whole thing feels horribly cynical and condescending, especially when the "huge reveal" turns out to be yet another form of monetization expansion
They said several times this was Steam related and not game related.
sure of course
and how many times have they played the "oh, it's actually this other thing!" with their mystery-box viral marketing nonsense?
Never?
Seriously, what announcement are you specifically thinking of here? Because I'm at a loss.
And seriously, when they make a "THE STEAM UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING" splash page and, when specifically asked, say it's not game related, anyone who gets hyped and then disappointed at the lack of a game announcement only has themself to blame.
Um, someone explain Pac-Man Championship Edition to me
I mean, I know Pac-Man...but, like, what changes? What is a Pac-Man championship? It seems superweird to me
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This was pages ago so I do not know if we have moved on but
I do not get the deal with people and the Windows start button thing.
Like. I guess I could download a start button replacement? But why do you need one?
You can pin whatever programs you really use a lot to the taskbar, and for anything else all you have to do is hit the windows key or bottom left corner and type the name of the program you want or thing you want to do and there it is. Like
I just don't get why this is exciting. Sorry, I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, I just don't get it. Prefab linux gaming PCs? Ok. Sure I guess. I mean no games runs on Linux but I'm guessing they've found a way around that. It all seems to be based around this false notion that Windows 8 is A. A closed system or B. Bad for playing games on*. Windows 8 is the tits, and it runs Steam just fine. They aren't going to turn it into the app store, because they have no reason to. Valve are kind of putting that out there because otherwise there's no reason for this thing to exist.
I'm sure it's neat! I'm glad it's exciting for some people! I just don't understand why this is any better than say, moving my desktop tower to the living room.
*Yeah I made them start with the initials of the bullet point. I'm a pretty cool guy.
yeah you can burnout goodwill for things like that really quickly
and valve has a lot less goodwill than most in the public eye for every announcement which isn't HL3. and this really isn't anyone's fault but theirs.
Eh, there seems to be a really strong contingent (It might just be a vocal contingent) that doesn't give a shit about HL3; either due to it being before their time, not liking the Half-Life series in the first place, or just no longer caring due to how long it's been.
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
yeah you can burnout goodwill for things like that really quickly
and valve has a lot less goodwill than most in the public eye for every announcement which isn't HL3. and this really isn't anyone's fault but theirs.
Eh, there seems to be a really strong contingent (It might just be a vocal contingent) that doesn't give a shit about HL3; either due to it being before their time, not liking the Half-Life series in the first place, or just no longer caring due to how long it's been.
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
Also a big portion of people who "don't care" are going to grab the game when the stellar scores hit.
See: every "pshaw who cares / boycott X" thing on the internet ever
This was pages ago so I do not know if we have moved on but
I do not get the deal with people and the Windows start button thing.
Like. I guess I could download a start button replacement? But why do you need one?
You can pin whatever programs you really use a lot to the taskbar, and for anything else all you have to do is hit the windows key or bottom left corner and type the name of the program you want or thing you want to do and there it is. Like
super easy
Sure, you could, but having the start button is nice for those who don't feel like reteaching themselves how to use their OS. Like I've never, ever, ever hit the Windows key on purpose, nor have I searched for the name of the program or file I want to run/open. Why should I have to if I don't want to? What if I want to click the start button and navigate the way I prefer to said exe/file?
yeah you can burnout goodwill for things like that really quickly
and valve has a lot less goodwill than most in the public eye for every announcement which isn't HL3. and this really isn't anyone's fault but theirs.
Eh, there seems to be a really strong contingent (It might just be a vocal contingent) that doesn't give a shit about HL3; either due to it being before their time, not liking the Half-Life series in the first place, or just no longer caring due to how long it's been.
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
That was in reference to whether or not the continued lack of HL3 news was hurting their goodwill. I'm saying there's more than enough people who don't care, so Valve will probably be fine.
yeah you can burnout goodwill for things like that really quickly
and valve has a lot less goodwill than most in the public eye for every announcement which isn't HL3. and this really isn't anyone's fault but theirs.
Eh, there seems to be a really strong contingent (It might just be a vocal contingent) that doesn't give a shit about HL3; either due to it being before their time, not liking the Half-Life series in the first place, or just no longer caring due to how long it's been.
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
That was in reference to whether or not the continued lack of HL3 news was hurting their goodwill. I'm saying there's more than enough people who don't care, so Valve will probably be fine.
Yeah that makes more sense. Like, I want the next installment as much as the next guy, but, especially given Valve's track record, I trust them enough to know that they'll put shit out when it's ready, so yeah, I don't obsess about it as a certain vocal minority seems to - sometimes those threads get a chuckle out of me though
Really the flak here is that people were building up their expectations for something they weren't doing (Half Life 3) and wanted to be excited for that. This is still pretty cool stuff, and it's a neat way to build up tension for them concerning their future market options.
Lots of us think it is neat, I'd expect. Is it "OHMIGOSHSTANDINLINEFORTWOWEEKSWANTITNOW" exciting? No. I don't think it was meant to be, though.
if you throw up a countdown and then spread your reveal out for a week, then you mean for it to be incredibly groundbreaking. or at least give it the auspices as such.
yeah you can burnout goodwill for things like that really quickly
and valve has a lot less goodwill than most in the public eye for every announcement which isn't HL3. and this really isn't anyone's fault but theirs.
Eh, there seems to be a really strong contingent (It might just be a vocal contingent) that doesn't give a shit about HL3; either due to it being before their time, not liking the Half-Life series in the first place, or just no longer caring due to how long it's been.
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
That was in reference to whether or not the continued lack of HL3 news was hurting their goodwill. I'm saying there's more than enough people who don't care, so Valve will probably be fine.
Yeah that makes more sense. Like, I want the next installment as much as the next guy, but, especially given Valve's track record, I trust them enough to know that they'll put shit out when it's ready, so yeah, I don't obsess about it as a certain vocal minority seems to - sometimes those threads get a chuckle out of me though
6 years is a long time, and the only reason they can get away with drawing out announcements like this is because of HL3. When Friday comes and goes with no news, they deserve to lose some goodwill IMO. Like Langly said, countdowns should be groundbreaking, not boring and kind of irrelevant to their core audience.
I'm the exact opposite market for this because I've actually moved my consoles into my office to play them at my computer desk
the TV is monopolized a lot and I like sitting close to the screen
I'm more interested in seeing if SteamOS has any desktop application and maybe dual booting it. I do all my productivity stuff on my MacBook these days, so I wouldn't say no to a really lightweight game focused OS on my desktop.
This was pages ago so I do not know if we have moved on but
I do not get the deal with people and the Windows start button thing.
Like. I guess I could download a start button replacement? But why do you need one?
You can pin whatever programs you really use a lot to the taskbar, and for anything else all you have to do is hit the windows key or bottom left corner and type the name of the program you want or thing you want to do and there it is. Like
super easy
Sure, you could, but having the start button is nice for those who don't feel like reteaching themselves how to use their OS. Like I've never, ever, ever hit the Windows key on purpose, nor have I searched for the name of the program or file I want to run/open. Why should I have to if I don't want to? What if I want to click the start button and navigate the way I prefer to said exe/file?
I never once purposely touched the windows key before windows 8. Now it does a thing.
I just really do not understand where you are coming from at all.
Windows key + thing I want to do ==> enter
done
I don't know how it could be any more simple than that
This was pages ago so I do not know if we have moved on but
I do not get the deal with people and the Windows start button thing.
Like. I guess I could download a start button replacement? But why do you need one?
You can pin whatever programs you really use a lot to the taskbar, and for anything else all you have to do is hit the windows key or bottom left corner and type the name of the program you want or thing you want to do and there it is. Like
super easy
Sure, you could, but having the start button is nice for those who don't feel like reteaching themselves how to use their OS. Like I've never, ever, ever hit the Windows key on purpose, nor have I searched for the name of the program or file I want to run/open. Why should I have to if I don't want to? What if I want to click the start button and navigate the way I prefer to said exe/file?
I never once purposely touched the windows key before windows 8. Now it does a thing.
I just really do not understand where you are coming from at all.
Windows key + thing I want to do ==> enter
done
I don't know how it could be any more simple than that
I can do that too!
Click start menu + thing I want to do ==> click
done
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This was pages ago so I do not know if we have moved on but
I do not get the deal with people and the Windows start button thing.
Like. I guess I could download a start button replacement? But why do you need one?
You can pin whatever programs you really use a lot to the taskbar, and for anything else all you have to do is hit the windows key or bottom left corner and type the name of the program you want or thing you want to do and there it is. Like
super easy
Sure, you could, but having the start button is nice for those who don't feel like reteaching themselves how to use their OS. Like I've never, ever, ever hit the Windows key on purpose, nor have I searched for the name of the program or file I want to run/open. Why should I have to if I don't want to? What if I want to click the start button and navigate the way I prefer to said exe/file?
I never once purposely touched the windows key before windows 8. Now it does a thing.
I just really do not understand where you are coming from at all.
Windows key + thing I want to do ==> enter
done
I don't know how it could be any more simple than that
Yeah, Windows key + typing a program name is so much better than clicking through Program Files. The functionality hasn't changed at all between Windows 7 and 8, even if it looks different.
"1. Valve Corporation ("Valve", "We", "Us" or "Our") has developed and produced prototypes of entertainment system hardware and software, including a set-top box running custom software and a game controller (collectively: "Beta Products"). These Beta Products are currently being prepared for a limited beta testing program ("Beta Program") involving select end users of Our online service known as Steam ("Steam")."
Reveal number 3 confirmed within the legal crap of the hardware beta program.
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that means they have a controller
that doesn't mean that's going to be the only/main reveal on friday
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i will say this
based on my experiences at pax valve has got a long, hard road ahead if they want to make a better controller than the ps4's
I would be shocked if Half Life 3 was announced before Source Engine 2. The only way I'm ever expecting a HL3 announcement is as a launch game for SE2.
yeah you can burnout goodwill for things like that really quickly
and valve has a lot less goodwill than most in the public eye for every announcement which isn't HL3. and this really isn't anyone's fault but theirs.
Eh, there seems to be a really strong contingent (It might just be a vocal contingent) that doesn't give a shit about HL3; either due to it being before their time, not liking the Half-Life series in the first place, or just no longer caring due to how long it's been.
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
That was in reference to whether or not the continued lack of HL3 news was hurting their goodwill. I'm saying there's more than enough people who don't care, so Valve will probably be fine.
Yeah that makes more sense. Like, I want the next installment as much as the next guy, but, especially given Valve's track record, I trust them enough to know that they'll put shit out when it's ready, so yeah, I don't obsess about it as a certain vocal minority seems to - sometimes those threads get a chuckle out of me though
6 years is a long time, and the only reason they can get away with drawing out announcements like this is because of HL3. When Friday comes and goes with no news, they deserve to lose some goodwill IMO. Like Langly said, countdowns should be groundbreaking, not boring and kind of irrelevant to their core audience.
Except that they outright mentioned that the announcements concern getting steam into the living room, and thereby expanding their audience, so I don't know how that should relate to any goodwill regarding HL2:Ep3 / HL3
I would be shocked if Half Life 3 was announced before Source Engine 2. The only way I'm ever expecting a HL3 announcement is as a launch game for SE2.
chances are they'd announce at the same time anyway
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they want it to be already finished!
I don't know if I agree with that. Half Life 3 would be huge now but were they to wait too long to the point where they have multiple failing projects a single blockbuster title to win back lost market share isn't totally brilliant.
Not to mention that strategy doesn't really mesh with Newell and Valve's philosophies. Newell rebukes the business models of the traditional producer/developer not just because he doesn't care for their methods but also because he considers their models to be unsustainable. Putting all your eggs in one basket doesn't sound like a very Valve thing to do.
It was barely even that
It was a hardware confirmation
They confirmed that at some point in the future Valve will release some kind of hardware
Seriously, what announcement are you specifically thinking of here? Because I'm at a loss.
And seriously, when they make a "THE STEAM UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING" splash page and, when specifically asked, say it's not game related, anyone who gets hyped and then disappointed at the lack of a game announcement only has themself to blame.
More visuals centric but:
Which is a hardware announcement, yes.
At the very basest level, sure
But they had already been openly talking about their plans for making hardware
This is just them going "yup we're still doing that and it'll be out next year"
I mean, I know Pac-Man...but, like, what changes? What is a Pac-Man championship? It seems superweird to me
I do not get the deal with people and the Windows start button thing.
Like. I guess I could download a start button replacement? But why do you need one?
You can pin whatever programs you really use a lot to the taskbar, and for anything else all you have to do is hit the windows key or bottom left corner and type the name of the program you want or thing you want to do and there it is. Like
super easy
I'm sure it's neat! I'm glad it's exciting for some people! I just don't understand why this is any better than say, moving my desktop tower to the living room.
*Yeah I made them start with the initials of the bullet point. I'm a pretty cool guy.
Pac-Man CE DX is barely Pac-Man
It's much more about getting a score and having a blast than not dying
Here
now imagine that one day, your pinky finger disappeared
so, of course, it doesn't take long to adjust to the missing digit and you can do just about anything without it
but you still really, really wish it was back
As money driven as Valve seems to be these days, I can't see them throwing the fans that built them under the bus for these people who don't care about HL.
Hm. Aight. It's just that there was a bit of buzz about this thing in this thread and I didn't get it (still don't)
Also a big portion of people who "don't care" are going to grab the game when the stellar scores hit.
See: every "pshaw who cares / boycott X" thing on the internet ever
Sure, you could, but having the start button is nice for those who don't feel like reteaching themselves how to use their OS. Like I've never, ever, ever hit the Windows key on purpose, nor have I searched for the name of the program or file I want to run/open. Why should I have to if I don't want to? What if I want to click the start button and navigate the way I prefer to said exe/file?
I just need I see how it ends
It's like they made the original Star Wars trilogy but then never finished Return of the Jedi
That was in reference to whether or not the continued lack of HL3 news was hurting their goodwill. I'm saying there's more than enough people who don't care, so Valve will probably be fine.
Lots of speculation from everyone !!!
6 years is a long time, and the only reason they can get away with drawing out announcements like this is because of HL3. When Friday comes and goes with no news, they deserve to lose some goodwill IMO. Like Langly said, countdowns should be groundbreaking, not boring and kind of irrelevant to their core audience.
the TV is monopolized a lot and I like sitting close to the screen
I'm more interested in seeing if SteamOS has any desktop application and maybe dual booting it. I do all my productivity stuff on my MacBook these days, so I wouldn't say no to a really lightweight game focused OS on my desktop.
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I never once purposely touched the windows key before windows 8. Now it does a thing.
I just really do not understand where you are coming from at all.
Windows key + thing I want to do ==> enter
done
I don't know how it could be any more simple than that
Yeah it turns out I don't miss the start button because it's not 1992.
Because the steambox seems to not be that.
wait how does this fit into the pinky analogy
I can do that too!
Click start menu + thing I want to do ==> click
done
not so much anymore
at the very least I can't play GTA V on my 4GB Xbox 360
but my point was that you're not losing anything of value
people complained about it so much! So much!
When it is totally fine
Yeah, Windows key + typing a program name is so much better than clicking through Program Files. The functionality hasn't changed at all between Windows 7 and 8, even if it looks different.
Steam
Reveal number 3 confirmed within the legal crap of the hardware beta program.
that doesn't mean that's going to be the only/main reveal on friday
based on my experiences at pax valve has got a long, hard road ahead if they want to make a better controller than the ps4's
chances are they'd announce at the same time anyway
What's so much better about it compared to the Dual Shock?