She's not really conservative, though. Her distrust of aliens a. goes away eventually and b. is from a completely different and understandable source.
I would beg to differ on its coming from an understandable place; her bigoted attitude is no more rationally grounded than anybody's bigoted attitude. Her remarks on subjects as diverse as Liara's gender and whether or not we can trust Garrus around a ship co-designed by the Turian Hierarchy betray a sense of her own species as being the only real people. She also seems pretty fond of talking about bug-eyed aliens.
But that's not what I'm indicating, anyway. Ashley expresses to Shepard an expectation that finding out she's religious could be a problem for Shepard. (I assume because people who aren't religious themselves hate and fear people who are. Y'know, because that happens.) If you've been flirting with both Liara and Ashley, Liara is fine with it, Ashley becomes offended, seriously offended - going so far as to make snide remarks about Liara if you talk to her in the meantime, and storm out if you try to "choose both" or choose Liara over her. Her family focus, religious convictions and traditionalist morality are probably not consistent with a same-sex relationship.
With Jack I could see it, if they wanted to go there, which apparently they didn't.
Or they could put in a plotline where Ashley loses her religion for the sake of her true love for the ladies, of course.
Well, with the announcement that EA is going totally online only and working free to play in as part of every franchise they own, I think it's time to step away from ME for now.
It was a great series and I'm happy with how it ended for the most part. But I hate to see it and other good franchises get flogged to death. I will of course, continue to play the original games. But I think I'll pass on the upcoming ones.
Would you say your pre-order was..cancelled?
One could. :P
I have to say, all this romance talk makes me appreciate even more how Saints Row IV skewers every aspect of the Mass Effect dating sim. Saints Row IV spoilers:
She's not really conservative, though. Her distrust of aliens a. goes away eventually and b. is from a completely different and understandable source.
I would beg to differ on its coming from an understandable place; her bigoted attitude is no more rationally grounded than anybody's bigoted attitude.
I'm betting most people don't have a grandfather who was the only person ever to surrender to a force composed of X, which tarred the entire family with the suspicion of being soft on X.
Her remarks on subjects as diverse as Liara's gender and whether or not we can trust Garrus around a ship co-designed by the Turian Hierarchy betray a sense of her own species as being the only real people. She also seems pretty fond of talking about bug-eyed aliens.
If you've been flirting with both Liara and Ashley, Liara is fine with it, Ashley becomes offended, seriously offended - going so far as to make snide remarks about Liara if you talk to her in the meantime, and storm out if you try to "choose both" or choose Liara over her. Her family focus, religious convictions and traditionalist morality are probably not consistent with a same-sex relationship.
That seems more like Liara is more okay with a triple relationship and non-strict monogamy than Ashley is, not necessarily Ash being stuck in the mud. Ashley never says anything homophobic, and it's not as if there are no gay Christians.
Ashley is a casual racist, which makes her a realistic character certainly, but not one I find fun in hanging around with. That's all.
Yeah, she's the equivalent to that guy at work who, while polite to everyone, just can't bring himself to trust those....Paki's. 'You know? Sure they're all nice and all, but I bet there's a bomb hidden in their turbans.'
So, not horribly racist, just uncomfortable to be around.
Ashley is a casual racist, which makes her a realistic character certainly, but not one I find fun in hanging around with. That's all.
Yeah, she's the equivalent to that guy at work who, while polite to everyone, just can't bring himself to trust those....Paki's. 'You know? Sure they're all nice and all, but I bet there's a bomb hidden in their turbans.'
So, not horribly racist, just uncomfortable to be around.
She is absolutely Space Hitler, but the thing is...she's not even racist.
She's just calling it like it is.
And sure enough, when the Reapers come calling, what happens?
The other races throw throw each other at the bear
Ashley is a casual racist, which makes her a realistic character certainly, but not one I find fun in hanging around with. That's all.
Yeah, she's the equivalent to that guy at work who, while polite to everyone, just can't bring himself to trust those....Paki's. 'You know? Sure they're all nice and all, but I bet there's a bomb hidden in their turbans.'
So, not horribly racist, just uncomfortable to be around.
Exactly. Shep and Liara/Garrus/Tali/whoever sitting on the space couch chillin' with the space news. Ash comes by and makes a flippant comment about 'those bug eyed freaks starting up shit again'. The room's mood gets uncomfortable fast. Kaidan may be boring, but at least he's a cool guy who won't embarrass you in (space) public.
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Ashley is a casual racist, which makes her a realistic character certainly, but not one I find fun in hanging around with. That's all.
Yeah, she's the equivalent to that guy at work who, while polite to everyone, just can't bring himself to trust those....Paki's. 'You know? Sure they're all nice and all, but I bet there's a bomb hidden in their turbans.'
So, not horribly racist, just uncomfortable to be around.
She is absolutely Space Hitler, but the thing is...she's not even racist.
She's just calling it like it is.
And sure enough, when the Reapers come calling, what happens?
The other races throw throw each other at the bear
Yeah people ignore the fact that in her analogy about letting the bear have your dog, humanity is the dog.
Yeah people ignore the fact that in her analogy about letting the bear have your dog, humanity is the dog.
Except for the fact that her analogy turns out to be stupid and kind of inapplicable. In her analogy, you sacrifice your loyal companion to hold off the one threat. In the actual situation, everyone was attacked at once, so it's kind of churlish to complain that they didn't ignore the one killing them to focus on the one killing you.
Ashley is a casual racist, which makes her a realistic character certainly, but not one I find fun in hanging around with. That's all.
Yeah, she's the equivalent to that guy at work who, while polite to everyone, just can't bring himself to trust those....Paki's. 'You know? Sure they're all nice and all, but I bet there's a bomb hidden in their turbans.'
So, not horribly racist, just uncomfortable to be around.
She is absolutely Space Hitler, but the thing is...she's not even racist.
She's just calling it like it is.
And sure enough, when the Reapers come calling, what happens?
The other races throw throw each other at the bear
Yeah people ignore the fact that in her analogy about letting the bear have your dog, humanity is the dog.
even if we ignore the fact that people who make statements like this are almost always trying to justify their own attitude by projecting it onto somebody else, her argument is essentially that since every other species will discriminate against humans (supporting evidence is somewhat lacking for this position but whatever), we should discriminate back pre-emptively. Which 1) is an argument for discrimination and 2) is fucking dumb anyway because the bear will eat all the dogs eventually
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hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Yeah people ignore the fact that in her analogy about letting the bear have your dog, humanity is the dog.
Except for the fact that her analogy turns out to be stupid and kind of inapplicable. In her analogy, you sacrifice your loyal companion to hold off the one threat. In the actual situation, everyone was attacked at once, so it's kind of churlish to complain that they didn't ignore the one killing them to focus on the one killing you.
I still don't know why people make that analogy. It's not dumb at all, i'ts thoughtful, but it's just not appliceable to the situation.
I don't see how the analogy isn't applicable. In the beginning of the game, only the turians and humans are fighting reapers.
Exactly. No one wanted to help the humans because they all had to prepare their own species' defenses. Hell, the Turian Councillor straight up tells you that there's going to be a meeting between the Big Three to determine their strategy, and Humanity doesn't seem to be invited.
But even then, it wasn't the entire Council that tells you to fuck off, just the asari and salarian. The ironic part is, the turians offered to help first, and they are Ashley's biggest hang up, cause of her family history.
Her analogy breaks down then, cause the turians didn't throw humans to the bear, they had their own bear to deal with.
Then we have the races whom offered aid even though the bear was eating their limbs at the time, like the volus and elcor. Volus are true bros, they are the first race in the game to give Shepard forces.
So yeah, Space Hitler.
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She's not really conservative, though. Her distrust of aliens a. goes away eventually and b. is from a completely different and understandable source.
I would beg to differ on its coming from an understandable place; her bigoted attitude is no more rationally grounded than anybody's bigoted attitude.
I'm betting most people don't have a grandfather who was the only person ever to surrender to a force composed of X, which tarred the entire family with the suspicion of being soft on X.
Most people don't, but what you're basically arguing there is that being raised by two generations of racists makes it okay to be a racist.
Her grandfather's generation had every reason to hate the Turians - because we were fighting a devastating war with hostile, faceless aliens who, from our perspective, had attacked out of nowhere. Much like how it's understandable that Americans in the '40s were hostile to Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, and Italian-Americans. (Even though that was still prejudice and ethnocentrism.) Her grandfather, personally, could hate Turians, who had basically destroyed his career in the military. His kid? His kid's kids? No, if they're carrying on a tradition of hating Turians, it's because they're racists. The thing which is holding them back in their careers in the Alliance military ain't the Turians, it's the Alliance military.
I don't see how the analogy isn't applicable. In the beginning of the game, only the turians and humans are fighting reapers.
Exactly. No one wanted to help the humans because they all had to prepare their own species' defenses. Hell, the Turian Councillor straight up tells you that there's going to be a meeting between the Big Three to determine their strategy, and Humanity doesn't seem to be invited.
I could be wrong (as I haven't played the game in a long time), but I do remember finding it ironic that the most
"powerful" and "advanced" race, and the one most set-up to fight the reapers by the protheans, the Asarians, are the quickest to fall to the reapers.
I don't see how the analogy isn't applicable. In the beginning of the game, only the turians and humans are fighting reapers.
We're talking about ME3 now? If so, that's only part of it. The other part being "because the council said so". And, going further, "because the council can ORDER them around however they like". I don't think those transfer to the actual situation.
No matter, similar flaws for ME1. Not helping someone =/= throwing them under the bus.
I don't see how the analogy isn't applicable. In the beginning of the game, only the turians and humans are fighting reapers.
We're talking about ME3 now? If so, that's only part of it. The other part being "because the council said so". And, going further, "because the council can ORDER them around however they like". I don't think those transfer to the actual situation.
No matter, similar flaws for ME1. Not helping someone =/= throwing them under the bus.
Not helping your dog catch up to you == not helping them.
I don't see how the analogy isn't applicable. In the beginning of the game, only the turians and humans are fighting reapers.
We're talking about ME3 now? If so, that's only part of it. The other part being "because the council said so". And, going further, "because the council can ORDER them around however they like". I don't think those transfer to the actual situation.
No matter, similar flaws for ME1. Not helping someone =/= throwing them under the bus.
Not helping your dog catch up to you == not helping them.
sic
1. to attack (used especially in commanding a dog): Sic 'em!
2. to incite to attack (usually followed by on ).
In this analogy the bus is the bear. And the bear is the reapers.
If you let your dog get attacked by a reaper-bus-bear while you run away, it's analogous to letting the reapers attack humanity while the other races stay out of the fight.
It doesn't matter if we're taking the analogy literally or just debating the actual situation. The former breaks apart. In the latter, it's a war for survival for everyone. Of course they're looking out for themselves. The only reason humanity is different is because they've got the protagonist on their side.
I mentioned a page or two back that I was at Toronto's Fan Expo last weekend, and saw some truly impressive costumes, including an incredible FemShep (might've been two, but I could swear it was the same person at different times, just once with a helmet) and a Garrus that had to be seen to be believed.
Wait, a friend took a pic with him, you can totally see him!
We were working a booth so we didn't get to wander much, but luckily the expo basically came to us as people ooohed and ahhhhed over her cake work, including an N7 cake (representative of the ME3 ending? Damaged in transit? You be the judge!)
We had one day where she dressed as Commander Shepard in Cerberus armour:
And I backed her up in a vastly less taxing 'costume' made up of one of my favourite pieces of clothing;
I got a lot of questions about the hoodie, and people were very disappointed to hear that it wasn't available at the convention.
Our crew has decided that we all want to deck out in N7 armour, omniblades and gear replicas, but most of us lack the time, skill and equipment to make quality suits, and those for sale seem to be either kind of 'meh' or cost over a grand but look pretty fantastic.
I have promised my girlfriend I would consult her before I bought any N7 armour... but an omniblade is mighty tempting.
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But that's not what I'm indicating, anyway. Ashley expresses to Shepard an expectation that finding out she's religious could be a problem for Shepard. (I assume because people who aren't religious themselves hate and fear people who are. Y'know, because that happens.) If you've been flirting with both Liara and Ashley, Liara is fine with it, Ashley becomes offended, seriously offended - going so far as to make snide remarks about Liara if you talk to her in the meantime, and storm out if you try to "choose both" or choose Liara over her. Her family focus, religious convictions and traditionalist morality are probably not consistent with a same-sex relationship.
With Jack I could see it, if they wanted to go there, which apparently they didn't.
Or they could put in a plotline where Ashley loses her religion for the sake of her true love for the ladies, of course.
Already knew? I'd assume that was the point!
Sounds like someone has an interesting conversation or three to have sometime soon.
One could. :P
I have to say, all this romance talk makes me appreciate even more how Saints Row IV skewers every aspect of the Mass Effect dating sim. Saints Row IV spoilers:
I think you're confusing Mass Effect with another popular Bioware game called Jade Empire. :winky:
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Truly a complex and engrossing relationship system.
That seems more like Liara is more okay with a triple relationship and non-strict monogamy than Ashley is, not necessarily Ash being stuck in the mud. Ashley never says anything homophobic, and it's not as if there are no gay Christians.
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She's just terrible at communicating ideas or thoughts without coming across as space hitler :P
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Yeah, she's the equivalent to that guy at work who, while polite to everyone, just can't bring himself to trust those....Paki's. 'You know? Sure they're all nice and all, but I bet there's a bomb hidden in their turbans.'
So, not horribly racist, just uncomfortable to be around.
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She is absolutely Space Hitler, but the thing is...she's not even racist.
She's just calling it like it is.
And sure enough, when the Reapers come calling, what happens?
Exactly. Shep and Liara/Garrus/Tali/whoever sitting on the space couch chillin' with the space news. Ash comes by and makes a flippant comment about 'those bug eyed freaks starting up shit again'. The room's mood gets uncomfortable fast. Kaidan may be boring, but at least he's a cool guy who won't embarrass you in (space) public.
Yeah people ignore the fact that in her analogy about letting the bear have your dog, humanity is the dog.
Because it feels like it should.
Why I fear the ocean.
Except for the fact that her analogy turns out to be stupid and kind of inapplicable. In her analogy, you sacrifice your loyal companion to hold off the one threat. In the actual situation, everyone was attacked at once, so it's kind of churlish to complain that they didn't ignore the one killing them to focus on the one killing you.
even if we ignore the fact that people who make statements like this are almost always trying to justify their own attitude by projecting it onto somebody else, her argument is essentially that since every other species will discriminate against humans (supporting evidence is somewhat lacking for this position but whatever), we should discriminate back pre-emptively. Which 1) is an argument for discrimination and 2) is fucking dumb anyway because the bear will eat all the dogs eventually
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I still don't know why people make that analogy. It's not dumb at all, i'ts thoughtful, but it's just not appliceable to the situation.
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Her analogy breaks down then, cause the turians didn't throw humans to the bear, they had their own bear to deal with.
Then we have the races whom offered aid even though the bear was eating their limbs at the time, like the volus and elcor. Volus are true bros, they are the first race in the game to give Shepard forces.
So yeah, Space Hitler.
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Because the Batarians have already been killed by them. And the other races are attacked very quickly (we don't know how long ME3 takes as a game).
Her grandfather's generation had every reason to hate the Turians - because we were fighting a devastating war with hostile, faceless aliens who, from our perspective, had attacked out of nowhere. Much like how it's understandable that Americans in the '40s were hostile to Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, and Italian-Americans. (Even though that was still prejudice and ethnocentrism.) Her grandfather, personally, could hate Turians, who had basically destroyed his career in the military. His kid? His kid's kids? No, if they're carrying on a tradition of hating Turians, it's because they're racists. The thing which is holding them back in their careers in the Alliance military ain't the Turians, it's the Alliance military.
I could be wrong (as I haven't played the game in a long time), but I do remember finding it ironic that the most
I wonder if they're gonna do something similar for the next ME game.
We're talking about ME3 now? If so, that's only part of it. The other part being "because the council said so". And, going further, "because the council can ORDER them around however they like". I don't think those transfer to the actual situation.
No matter, similar flaws for ME1. Not helping someone =/= throwing them under the bus.
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Not helping your dog catch up to you == not helping them.
sic
1. to attack (used especially in commanding a dog): Sic 'em!
2. to incite to attack (usually followed by on ).
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If you let your dog get attacked by a reaper-bus-bear while you run away, it's analogous to letting the reapers attack humanity while the other races stay out of the fight.
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I mentioned a page or two back that I was at Toronto's Fan Expo last weekend, and saw some truly impressive costumes, including an incredible FemShep (might've been two, but I could swear it was the same person at different times, just once with a helmet) and a Garrus that had to be seen to be believed.
Wait, a friend took a pic with him, you can totally see him!
We were working a booth so we didn't get to wander much, but luckily the expo basically came to us as people ooohed and ahhhhed over her cake work, including an N7 cake (representative of the ME3 ending? Damaged in transit? You be the judge!)
We had one day where she dressed as Commander Shepard in Cerberus armour:
And I backed her up in a vastly less taxing 'costume' made up of one of my favourite pieces of clothing;
I got a lot of questions about the hoodie, and people were very disappointed to hear that it wasn't available at the convention.
Our crew has decided that we all want to deck out in N7 armour, omniblades and gear replicas, but most of us lack the time, skill and equipment to make quality suits, and those for sale seem to be either kind of 'meh' or cost over a grand but look pretty fantastic.
I have promised my girlfriend I would consult her before I bought any N7 armour... but an omniblade is mighty tempting.
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
It occurs to me that Tali would be really, really hard to do accurately, since her legs bend wrong.