I don't think they really mind us being in the Traverse, in any case. Like when Shepard's out there, nobody needs to worry about him blowing things up and shooting people. It's like that, but with our whole civilization.
I'm pretty sure it says somewhere, probably in the Codex, that the Alliance's colonization efforts in the Traverse were subsidized, since part of the point was combating pirates and mercenaries in the area, which also benefited Council trade.
That would make some sense. Humans are a little crazy in their expansion. They already have several colonies in alliance space, but then they want to keep expanding outside of council space, or at least to the borderlands. Eden prime was a big deal because it wasn't on the edge of council space.
In ME2, nobody acting because one or two border colonies go dark makes sense. Even the systems alliance didn't notice. I'm sure many of the operate like Noveria or Illium in that they're private colonies operating outside of both council and home world jurisdiction.
Eden prime getting attacked is a huge deal for the systems alliance and the council. Horizon getting wiped out might not get noticed for a year or so.
On defensive, the human military is a rapid reaction force that lives by Sun Tzu's maxim, "He who tries to defend everything defends nothing." Garrisons are intended for scouting rather than combat, avoiding engagement to observe and report on invaders using drones.
The token garrisons of human colonies make it easy for alien powers to secure them, for which the Alliance media criticizes the military. However, the powerful fleets stationed at phase gate nexuses such as Arcturus are just a few hours or days from any colony within their sphere of responsibility. In the event of an attack, they respond with an overwhelming force.
Alliance military, more or less, left those colonies without a permanent garrison. So any attacks that happened in the Terminus, was the responsibility of the Alliance, not the Council, to handle.
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humanity is goddamn frightening to all the other council races
1. we didn't need to be uplifted by the salarians
2. we didn't nuke ourselves back into the stone age
3. we breed like varren
4. we're pretty hearty, culturally driven to advance, we're brutal motherfuckers and we have NO sense of proportionate response. torfan was "standard messy" by human standards, but 'HOLY GODDESS ' to everyone else
humanity is the krogan without the convenient excuses of "they're primitive and don't know better" needed to contain us
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But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
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But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
I mean... the Genophage wasn't making the Krogan go extinct. The Krogan were making the Krogan go extinct. The Genophage was simply preventing high reproduction from making up for the stupidity/violence/nihilism of the species.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death.
The salarians only made it as a deterrent. The turians were the ones who were like, "thanks nerds, we're using this" since they're also the ones whose retaliatory strategy boils down to "fuck them up so badly they'll never fight you again." They're the ones that used orbital bombardment to level city blocks to take out lone squads during the War of Turian Aggression. Speaking of the turians, for inter-turian conflict they apparently also have death squads that go door-to-door offering civilians relocation to a safe camp or on-the-spot execution because turian civilians are like NRA wet dreams and it's the only way to quell resistance.
Of course, the salarians might be scarier for any given nation considering military action, seeing as their strategy is "fuck them up pre-emptively if they're even thinking about fucking you up."
That's just what the salarians want you to believe.
I'm sure some ancient Mordin was all, "Genophage will end war. Shouldn't use without warning *snicker*. Might save too many lives. Also, wouldn't plant huge ass bomb under crust. Redundant use of force. *snicker*"
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humanity is goddamn frightening to all the other council races
1. we didn't need to be uplifted by the salarians
2. we didn't nuke ourselves back into the stone age
3. we breed like varren
4. we're pretty hearty, culturally driven to advance, we're brutal motherfuckers and we have NO sense of proportionate response. torfan was "standard messy" by human standards, but 'HOLY GODDESS ' to everyone else
humanity is the krogan without the convenient excuses of "they're primitive and don't know better" needed to contain us
I mostly agree with this, but I do think that, like with Star Trek, there was a period where we nuked ourselves to hell and back. The storm before the utopia, as it were.
But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
I mean... the Genophage wasn't making the Krogan go extinct. The Krogan were making the Krogan go extinct. The Genophage was simply preventing high reproduction from making up for the stupidity/violence/nihilism of the species.
That was something that always irritated me during the Krogan's whining about the genophage. The fact that they were wiping out biospheres via asteroid drops were a level of war crime not even the Reapers stooped to. The job description of a Krogan Battlemaster is to be an honorless cur and win at all costs. Add in centures of being assholes during the Rebellions, they left the other races little choice other than to go for WMDs. They bet their future on winning a grand war and they lost. In that way, I dislike them just the way I needled Canderous and his buddy Madalorians in Knights of the Old Republic.
Ha ha, oh yeah, you lost! How's that survival of the fittest thing working out for you?
And remember, with the Salarian Dalatrass in ME3...
If you saved Kirrahe in ME1, Thane in ME2, and trick the Krogan in ME3, you're basically validating her leadership. Which means post-game Sur'Kesh keeps her in power. And who knows, she's probably the one who approved the uplifting of Yahg. Does anyone really want that on their heads?
But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
I mean... the Genophage wasn't making the Krogan go extinct. The Krogan were making the Krogan go extinct. The Genophage was simply preventing high reproduction from making up for the stupidity/violence/nihilism of the species.
That was something that always irritated me during the Krogan's whining about the genophage. The fact that they were wiping out biospheres via asteroid drops were a level of war crime not even the Reapers stooped to. The job description of a Krogan Battlemaster is to be an honorless cur and win at all costs. Add in centures of being assholes during the Rebellions, they left the other races little choice other than to go for WMDs. They bet their future on winning a grand war and they lost. In that way, I dislike them just the way I needled Canderous and his buddy Madalorians in Knights of the Old Republic.
Ha ha, oh yeah, you lost! How's that survival of the fittest thing working out for you?
this rationale works okay when you're still dealing with the people who prosecuted the actual war in question
it works less well when you're still doing the war crimes generations hence
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
We could switch it up and talk about how the Qun needs to be wiped from Thedas in this thread instead.
I know you're joking, but cross-contaminating ME and DA topics in those two threads has resulted in swift moderator intervention so it's not a very funny joke.
Now if you wanna talk about people who totally deserve shit happen to them and should be grateful for any mercy Shepard grants them: Quarians
I thought you guys had this argument a couple pages back
is this starting up again
is this a thing
The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Mass Effect threads rise, evolve, advance, then at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished. This thread is not the first, it did not create the debate, it did not forge the arguments, it merely found them, the legacy of Bioware.
The arguments have no beginning. They have no end. They are infinite. Millions of years after your posts have been eradicated and forgotten, they will endure.
We could switch it up and talk about how the Qun needs to be wiped from Thedas in this thread instead.
I know you're joking, but cross-contaminating ME and DA topics in those two threads has resulted in swift moderator intervention so it's not a very funny joke.
Yeah, genocide is perfectly fine in this thread, but not in the other one :P
But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
I mean... the Genophage wasn't making the Krogan go extinct. The Krogan were making the Krogan go extinct. The Genophage was simply preventing high reproduction from making up for the stupidity/violence/nihilism of the species.
That was something that always irritated me during the Krogan's whining about the genophage. The fact that they were wiping out biospheres via asteroid drops were a level of war crime not even the Reapers stooped to. The job description of a Krogan Battlemaster is to be an honorless cur and win at all costs. Add in centures of being assholes during the Rebellions, they left the other races little choice other than to go for WMDs. They bet their future on winning a grand war and they lost. In that way, I dislike them just the way I needled Canderous and his buddy Madalorians in Knights of the Old Republic.
Ha ha, oh yeah, you lost! How's that survival of the fittest thing working out for you?
this rationale works okay when you're still dealing with the people who prosecuted the actual war in question
it works less well when you're still doing the war crimes generations hence
its no exactly 'generations' tho, is it? seeing as wrex sr fought in the rebellions its one generation tops. if i remember right it wisnae even clear whether wrex himself had fought. and at any rate thats presuming the genophage is a war crime which is hardly a given
My primary motivation for not curing them isn't the blood rage, but their reproduction numbers. If I had some guarantee that they wouldn't outbreed every planet again, I'd be all down for curing them, but since that guarantee isn't in the cards, no dice for the krogan.
Besides, nearly 2 billion krogan on Tuchanka, and many leave to be guards, bouncers, bounty hunters, ect. On the other hand, 2.2 billion elcor on their planet, and they hate leaving and space travel. So... yeah.
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Eh, I trust Eve to keep Wrex from actually demanding 12 planets for Krogan settling. Speaking of Wrex, are you going to post in the CF thread, Mild Confusion?
My primary motivation for not curing them isn't the blood rage, but their reproduction numbers. If I had some guarantee that they wouldn't outbreed every planet again, I'd be all down for curing them, but since that guarantee isn't in the cards, no dice for the krogan.
Besides, nearly 2 billion krogan on Tuchanka, and many leave to be guards, bouncers, bounty hunters, ect. On the other hand, 2.2 billion elcor on their planet, and they hate leaving and space travel. So... yeah.
From what I recall, Wreav pretty much says "we're going to make a shit load of krogan babies and conquer a bunch of stuff", and he's a "normal" krogan meaning that's the way most of them feel. Wrex is slightly more reserved but still wants to make a bunch more krogan and get a lot of planets out of it. While it can be argued that Wrex is an honorable, intelligent leader, those numbers simply cannot be kept in check by anyone.
My primary motivation for not curing them isn't the blood rage, but their reproduction numbers. If I had some guarantee that they wouldn't outbreed every planet again, I'd be all down for curing them, but since that guarantee isn't in the cards, no dice for the krogan.
Besides, nearly 2 billion krogan on Tuchanka, and many leave to be guards, bouncers, bounty hunters, ect. On the other hand, 2.2 billion elcor on their planet, and they hate leaving and space travel. So... yeah.
From what I recall, Wreav pretty much says "we're going to make a shit load of krogan babies and conquer a bunch of stuff", and he's a "normal" krogan meaning that's the way most of them feel. Wrex is slightly more reserved but still wants to make a bunch more krogan and get a lot of planets out of it. While it can be argued that Wrex is an honorable, intelligent leader, those numbers simply cannot be kept in check by anyone.
Please remember to spay and neuter your krogan.
If the Geth have a place in galactic civilization after 3, they might be an effective counter to the Krogans if they were a problem. See also: humans. The galaxy isn't the same as it was when the Krogan ran rampant last time. Plus, the Krogan aren't the same. Do you think there were Krogans with Asari girlfriends/wives last time? I find it highly unlikely. Making a decision based on what happened 100s of years ago is a BS Reaper maneuver. The past informs the present, it doesn't decide it.
But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
I mean... the Genophage wasn't making the Krogan go extinct. The Krogan were making the Krogan go extinct. The Genophage was simply preventing high reproduction from making up for the stupidity/violence/nihilism of the species.
That was something that always irritated me during the Krogan's whining about the genophage. The fact that they were wiping out biospheres via asteroid drops were a level of war crime not even the Reapers stooped to. The job description of a Krogan Battlemaster is to be an honorless cur and win at all costs. Add in centures of being assholes during the Rebellions, they left the other races little choice other than to go for WMDs. They bet their future on winning a grand war and they lost. In that way, I dislike them just the way I needled Canderous and his buddy Madalorians in Knights of the Old Republic.
Ha ha, oh yeah, you lost! How's that survival of the fittest thing working out for you?
this rationale works okay when you're still dealing with the people who prosecuted the actual war in question
it works less well when you're still doing the war crimes generations hence
its no exactly 'generations' tho, is it? seeing as wrex sr fought in the rebellions its one generation tops. if i remember right it wisnae even clear whether wrex himself had fought. and at any rate thats presuming the genophage is a war crime which is hardly a given
the genophage is a war crime by any reasonable, contemporary definition of what a war crime is.
The krogan rebellions ended roughly 1500 years ago at the time we meet wrex; he's old enough to remember them, but he's pretty old by krogan standards. At least several generations have passed between the end of the rebellions and the present day.
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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In ME2, nobody acting because one or two border colonies go dark makes sense. Even the systems alliance didn't notice. I'm sure many of the operate like Noveria or Illium in that they're private colonies operating outside of both council and home world jurisdiction.
Eden prime getting attacked is a huge deal for the systems alliance and the council. Horizon getting wiped out might not get noticed for a year or so.
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Alliance military, more or less, left those colonies without a permanent garrison. So any attacks that happened in the Terminus, was the responsibility of the Alliance, not the Council, to handle.
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1. we didn't need to be uplifted by the salarians
2. we didn't nuke ourselves back into the stone age
3. we breed like varren
4. we're pretty hearty, culturally driven to advance, we're brutal motherfuckers and we have NO sense of proportionate response. torfan was "standard messy" by human standards, but 'HOLY GODDESS
humanity is the krogan without the convenient excuses of "they're primitive and don't know better" needed to contain us
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But honestly, I think the salarians are the most brutal race in ME. Sure, krogan are rough and tough. Batarians are slavers. Humans give no fucks.
But it's the salarians that have no qualms with condemning your entire race to slow death. They are second only to protheans, whom are extinct... maybe. Who knows, maybe some salalrian doctor will have revived the prothean race in ME4.
Mass Effect: Origins - You can pick between a prothean, volus, batarian, elcor, and hanar.
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
I mean... the Genophage wasn't making the Krogan go extinct. The Krogan were making the Krogan go extinct. The Genophage was simply preventing high reproduction from making up for the stupidity/violence/nihilism of the species.
Battlenet ID: MildC#11186 - If I'm in the game, send me an invite at anytime and I'll play.
The salarians only made it as a deterrent. The turians were the ones who were like, "thanks nerds, we're using this" since they're also the ones whose retaliatory strategy boils down to "fuck them up so badly they'll never fight you again." They're the ones that used orbital bombardment to level city blocks to take out lone squads during the War of Turian Aggression. Speaking of the turians, for inter-turian conflict they apparently also have death squads that go door-to-door offering civilians relocation to a safe camp or on-the-spot execution because turian civilians are like NRA wet dreams and it's the only way to quell resistance.
Of course, the salarians might be scarier for any given nation considering military action, seeing as their strategy is "fuck them up pre-emptively if they're even thinking about fucking you up."
I'm sure some ancient Mordin was all, "Genophage will end war. Shouldn't use without warning *snicker*. Might save too many lives. Also, wouldn't plant huge ass bomb under crust. Redundant use of force. *snicker*"
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Don't the Asari basically just steam roll a culture victory Civ 5 style whenever they can get away with it? Never mind the crack squad of commandos.
Yeah, it's called kill the other guy before he can reproduce.
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Obviously turrets would calibrate their own feeding
That was something that always irritated me during the Krogan's whining about the genophage. The fact that they were wiping out biospheres via asteroid drops were a level of war crime not even the Reapers stooped to. The job description of a Krogan Battlemaster is to be an honorless cur and win at all costs. Add in centures of being assholes during the Rebellions, they left the other races little choice other than to go for WMDs. They bet their future on winning a grand war and they lost. In that way, I dislike them just the way I needled Canderous and his buddy Madalorians in Knights of the Old Republic.
Ha ha, oh yeah, you lost! How's that survival of the fittest thing working out for you?
That is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
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this rationale works okay when you're still dealing with the people who prosecuted the actual war in question
it works less well when you're still doing the war crimes generations hence
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I thought you guys had this argument a couple pages back
is this starting up again
is this a thing
I know you're joking, but cross-contaminating ME and DA topics in those two threads has resulted in swift moderator intervention so it's not a very funny joke.
The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Mass Effect threads rise, evolve, advance, then at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished. This thread is not the first, it did not create the debate, it did not forge the arguments, it merely found them, the legacy of Bioware.
The arguments have no beginning. They have no end. They are infinite. Millions of years after your posts have been eradicated and forgotten, they will endure.
Yeah, genocide is perfectly fine in this thread, but not in the other one :P
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its no exactly 'generations' tho, is it? seeing as wrex sr fought in the rebellions its one generation tops. if i remember right it wisnae even clear whether wrex himself had fought. and at any rate thats presuming the genophage is a war crime which is hardly a given
Besides, nearly 2 billion krogan on Tuchanka, and many leave to be guards, bouncers, bounty hunters, ect. On the other hand, 2.2 billion elcor on their planet, and they hate leaving and space travel. So... yeah.
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Elcor population numbers are a fabrication by Bioware so they can justify not having to do all the work needed to get an Elcor squad mate.
From what I recall, Wreav pretty much says "we're going to make a shit load of krogan babies and conquer a bunch of stuff", and he's a "normal" krogan meaning that's the way most of them feel. Wrex is slightly more reserved but still wants to make a bunch more krogan and get a lot of planets out of it. While it can be argued that Wrex is an honorable, intelligent leader, those numbers simply cannot be kept in check by anyone.
Please remember to spay and neuter your krogan.
If the Geth have a place in galactic civilization after 3, they might be an effective counter to the Krogans if they were a problem. See also: humans. The galaxy isn't the same as it was when the Krogan ran rampant last time. Plus, the Krogan aren't the same. Do you think there were Krogans with Asari girlfriends/wives last time? I find it highly unlikely. Making a decision based on what happened 100s of years ago is a BS Reaper maneuver. The past informs the present, it doesn't decide it.
the genophage is a war crime by any reasonable, contemporary definition of what a war crime is.
The krogan rebellions ended roughly 1500 years ago at the time we meet wrex; he's old enough to remember them, but he's pretty old by krogan standards. At least several generations have passed between the end of the rebellions and the present day.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat