I have not played the Prime games, but want to at some point. They sound awesome.
If I were to locate a copy, is there anything special I would need to do to get it to work on my WiiU? I don't have a Wii, so I don't really know what I'd be missing.
Only the trilogy is playable on WiiU. You'd need a wii remote and a nunchuk.
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
Do note that Trilogy has been out-of-print so you're going to pay a bit more for it.
I don't think I like that particular description of Samus. The whole "we asked for a savior , but we got Samus Aran" seems to signify horrible things happening to even the people she's ostensibly saving.
I like her being a holy terror to her foes, but I also like her receiving respect from those she saves or works for. Something I liked about Echoes and Corruption was how much people respected Samus and how well she gets the job done. Just as one thing I loved about Prime 1 was just how fiercely the Pirates hate and fear her.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
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I have not played the Prime games, but want to at some point. They sound awesome.
If I were to locate a copy, is there anything special I would need to do to get it to work on my WiiU? I don't have a Wii, so I don't really know what I'd be missing.
Only the trilogy is playable on WiiU. You'd need a wii remote and a nunchuk.
Corruption was a Wii release, so it works standalone... but you probably want to play the whole series.
I want a Metroid where you actually take on bounties on multiple planets. You wouldn't even have to have NPCs or anything, it could all be like on Cowboy Bebop, minus the anime cowgirl TV show. I'd love to be able to go to a planet, then come back later with tech I acquired on a different planet that lets me advance through previously impassable areas. Sure, the other games do that, but it's just a self-contained world. It would feel vastly more epic (and a little more realistic) if this stuff was spread out even more. I mean, were the Chozo limited to just Zebes? I feel like they could do a lot with expanding things.
I want a Metroid where you actually take on bounties on multiple planets. You wouldn't even have to have NPCs or anything, it could all be like on Cowboy Bebop, minus the anime cowgirl TV show. I'd love to be able to go to a planet, then come back later with tech I acquired on a different planet that lets me advance through previously impassable areas. Sure, the other games do that, but it's just a self-contained world. It would feel vastly more epic (and a little more realistic) if this stuff was spread out even more. I mean, were the Chozo limited to just Zebes? I feel like they could do a lot with expanding things.
Do note that Trilogy has been out-of-print so you're going to pay a bit more for it.
Though not as much as you'd think. Like with Xenoblade, Gamestop pulled the whole "oh, we found a big pile of these in our warehouse somehow! *wink*" and sold them used for $80, but it blew up in their face and they're now selling them for $50.
Granted that's still a lot for a used game, but they were selling for more than that used before Gamestop's stunt. So, thanks Gamestop!
A potentially unpopular opinion: I feel like Metroid is one of few classic japanese franchises that would really benefit from being rebooted under the care of a western developer. Retro might be preferable, but whatever really. Just wipe the slate clean. Back to the basics of Samus, power suit, mysterious planet, evil aliens, hurry up and start shooting and exploring. Anything that gets in the way of the Metroid experience is just thrown in the incenerator including most if not all of Samus' dialog.
Actually, you know what would be cool? If she only had one single line of dialog in the whole game and it was something defiant like, "Stop." or "Never." Like you'd just gotten used to the idea that she would never speak in the game and then at one really impactful moment, she says one line that just says it all.
That's what my head canon Samus is like. I do like the idea of her appearing to the average galactic citizen as some sort of lonely, capricious god beyond their understanding. "The Pirates were everywhere. Whole systems burned and they force fed colony after colony to their captive beasts. If there was anything the Federation could do, they weren't doing it. We called and called out into the night, hoping for a miracle. Then she came. No reply message, no warning. She just dropped out of the sky one day and that was it. The world was over. We cried out for a savior, but what we got was Samus Aran..."
Oh my god, this. This times a MILLION. Though I'd prefer a Han Solo style bounty hunter, EVERYTHING in these couple paragraphs resonates with me.
Would one of the animals you have to save in Super Metroid become Chewbacca?
Don't think they can tear your arm off.
IIRC, one of them looked like a 7 foot tall ostrich that jumped a couple hundred feet with no power armor assistance, just a good running start. No power armor on green bird dude.
I'm pretty sure that a good kick from it could mess some stuff up, should it be so inclined.
...he already said he has the Wii U. This is why Trilogy is being suggested
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
So, I, uh, bought it last night.
I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So, I, uh, bought it last night.
I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So I'll give it a shot tonight.
That... that was a joke, right?
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frenetic_ferretwildest weaselEast Coast is Best CoastRegistered Userregular
I don't think I like that particular description of Samus. The whole "we asked for a savior , but we got Samus Aran" seems to signify horrible things happening to even the people she's ostensibly saving.
I like her being a holy terror to her foes, but I also like her receiving respect from those she saves or works for. Something I liked about Echoes and Corruption was how much people respected Samus and how well she gets the job done. Just as one thing I loved about Prime 1 was just how fiercely the Pirates hate and fear her.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
I always viewed Samus like Simon Belmont, actually this applies to most NES era characters. The aren't actually good or bad. They show up to do a job and if something gets in their way it ceases to be a friend, enemy, or bystander, it's now simply a victim. They don't give a rats ass about right or wrong, collateral damage, non combatant casualties, they just want their target. If that means trashing everything, genocide, or boiling women and children alive than oh well. The brief information you got on Samus in the original games seemed to indicate that she terrified the crap out of people, even the people she was ostensibly working for. More of a complete whack job you turned to because there was nobody else crazy enough to try it than a hero who was looked up to.
Changing her to admired just makes her another bland character with nothing special or interesting about her. Might as well put Kirby or a blob on the screen and move on.
So, I, uh, bought it last night.
I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So I'll give it a shot tonight.
That... that was a joke, right?
Either that or he's in for some massive disappointment.
I don't think I like that particular description of Samus. The whole "we asked for a savior , but we got Samus Aran" seems to signify horrible things happening to even the people she's ostensibly saving.
I like her being a holy terror to her foes, but I also like her receiving respect from those she saves or works for. Something I liked about Echoes and Corruption was how much people respected Samus and how well she gets the job done. Just as one thing I loved about Prime 1 was just how fiercely the Pirates hate and fear her.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
I always viewed Samus like Simon Belmont, actually this applies to most NES era characters. The aren't actually good or bad. They show up to do a job and if something gets in their way it ceases to be a friend, enemy, or bystander, it's now simply a victim. They don't give a rats ass about right or wrong, collateral damage, non combatant casualties, they just want their target. If that means trashing everything, genocide, or boiling women and children alive than oh well. The brief information you got on Samus in the original games seemed to indicate that she terrified the crap out of people, even the people she was ostensibly working for. More of a complete whack job you turned to because there was nobody else crazy enough to try it than a hero who was looked up to.
Changing her to admired just makes her another bland character with nothing special or interesting about her. Might as well put Kirby or a blob on the screen and move on.
I'd have to say that she should be more in the category of respected (as in, people respect that she is a crazy-deadly force of nature when on a hunt) and feared (especially by pirates), but that rumors probably exceed reality (in that she's not a bloodthirsty psychopath).
Admired? Well, I suppose plenty of people wish they were as strong as her. I guess some of her actions qualify as admirable (Echoes, Fusion, saving the cute cuddly aliens in Super), though most of that is also stuff nobody knows about really, or that is almost certainly misunderstood/spun (Fusion).
Actually, I have to wonder how many people actually know what she looks like under the armor. I imagine it's probably convenient for her if its a very small group - that way she can relax and enjoy herself between jobs (not that anyone could actually threaten her when her armor appears with a thought) as seen in the GBA endings.
I don't think I like that particular description of Samus. The whole "we asked for a savior , but we got Samus Aran" seems to signify horrible things happening to even the people she's ostensibly saving.
I like her being a holy terror to her foes, but I also like her receiving respect from those she saves or works for. Something I liked about Echoes and Corruption was how much people respected Samus and how well she gets the job done. Just as one thing I loved about Prime 1 was just how fiercely the Pirates hate and fear her.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
I always viewed Samus like Simon Belmont, actually this applies to most NES era characters. The aren't actually good or bad. They show up to do a job and if something gets in their way it ceases to be a friend, enemy, or bystander, it's now simply a victim. They don't give a rats ass about right or wrong, collateral damage, non combatant casualties, they just want their target. If that means trashing everything, genocide, or boiling women and children alive than oh well. The brief information you got on Samus in the original games seemed to indicate that she terrified the crap out of people, even the people she was ostensibly working for. More of a complete whack job you turned to because there was nobody else crazy enough to try it than a hero who was looked up to.
Changing her to admired just makes her another bland character with nothing special or interesting about her. Might as well put Kirby or a blob on the screen and move on.
I'd have to say that she should be more in the category of respected (as in, people respect that she is a crazy-deadly force of nature when on a hunt) and feared (especially by pirates), but that rumors probably exceed reality (in that she's not a bloodthirsty psychopath).
Admired? Well, I suppose plenty of people wish they were as strong as her. I guess some of her actions qualify as admirable (Echoes, Fusion, saving the cute cuddly aliens in Super), though most of that is also stuff nobody knows about really, or that is almost certainly misunderstood/spun (Fusion).
Actually, I have to wonder how many people actually know what she looks like under the armor. I imagine it's probably convenient for her if its a very small group - that way she can relax and enjoy herself between jobs (not that anyone could actually threaten her when her armor appears with a thought) as seen in the GBA endings.
Except she clearly is a psychopath (DSMIV scale) and probably mentally ill (psychotic) when we first see her. When we first see her she volunteers to take on a suicide mission, with genocide of an alien race as one of the two main objectives, the other being assassination. She was only approached for this because the military itself couldn't pull it off. She arrives on the planet and starts mass murdering in cold blood everything that crosses her path, assassinates her targets, commits the genocide she volunteered to do, the planet is destroyed in the process, and she just rolls out to cash her space check.
The brief moments she shows empathy it's always capricious crap she does on a whim for herself, which further supports her not only being a psychopath but bonkers as well. She'll take a contract for assassination and genocide, but she'll also break that contract and stab the people she works for in the back in split second if she feels like it, because hey "I'm Samus fuck you I do what I want".
I don't think I like that particular description of Samus. The whole "we asked for a savior , but we got Samus Aran" seems to signify horrible things happening to even the people she's ostensibly saving.
I like her being a holy terror to her foes, but I also like her receiving respect from those she saves or works for. Something I liked about Echoes and Corruption was how much people respected Samus and how well she gets the job done. Just as one thing I loved about Prime 1 was just how fiercely the Pirates hate and fear her.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
I always viewed Samus like Simon Belmont, actually this applies to most NES era characters. The aren't actually good or bad. They show up to do a job and if something gets in their way it ceases to be a friend, enemy, or bystander, it's now simply a victim. They don't give a rats ass about right or wrong, collateral damage, non combatant casualties, they just want their target. If that means trashing everything, genocide, or boiling women and children alive than oh well. The brief information you got on Samus in the original games seemed to indicate that she terrified the crap out of people, even the people she was ostensibly working for. More of a complete whack job you turned to because there was nobody else crazy enough to try it than a hero who was looked up to.
Changing her to admired just makes her another bland character with nothing special or interesting about her. Might as well put Kirby or a blob on the screen and move on.
I'd have to say that she should be more in the category of respected (as in, people respect that she is a crazy-deadly force of nature when on a hunt) and feared (especially by pirates), but that rumors probably exceed reality (in that she's not a bloodthirsty psychopath).
Admired? Well, I suppose plenty of people wish they were as strong as her. I guess some of her actions qualify as admirable (Echoes, Fusion, saving the cute cuddly aliens in Super), though most of that is also stuff nobody knows about really, or that is almost certainly misunderstood/spun (Fusion).
Actually, I have to wonder how many people actually know what she looks like under the armor. I imagine it's probably convenient for her if its a very small group - that way she can relax and enjoy herself between jobs (not that anyone could actually threaten her when her armor appears with a thought) as seen in the GBA endings.
Except she clearly is a psychopath (DSMIV scale) and probably mentally ill (psychotic) when we first see her. When we first see her she volunteers to take on a suicide mission, with genocide of an alien race as one of the two main objectives, the other being assassination. She was only approached for this because the military itself couldn't pull it off. She arrives on the planet and starts mass murdering in cold blood everything that crosses her path, assassinates her targets, commits the genocide she volunteered to do, the planet is destroyed in the process, and she just rolls out to cash her space check.
The brief moments she shows empathy it's always capricious crap she does on a whim for herself, which further supports her not only being a psychopath but bonkers as well. She'll take a contract for assassination and genocide, but she'll also break that contract and stab the people she works for in the back in split second if she feels like it, because hey "I'm Samus fuck you I do what I want".
A suicide mission to federation troops and a suicide mission to Samus are two different things. Additionally, genocide is not an objective of any of her missions (well, Echoes, but they shot first. II and Fusion don't count since genocide applies to sentient life only) - in the first game, her objective is to take out Mother Brain and shut down the Metroid weaponization program... blowing the base sky high wasn't even her doing (directly - it was basically a last-ditch attack at her).
And assassination? Granted, Mother Brain was an explicit objective. But I wouldn't call that a sign of psychosis.
There are two cases she has broken her contract. Both times were for the express purpose of saving the entire fucking galaxy.
I don't think I like that particular description of Samus. The whole "we asked for a savior , but we got Samus Aran" seems to signify horrible things happening to even the people she's ostensibly saving.
I like her being a holy terror to her foes, but I also like her receiving respect from those she saves or works for. Something I liked about Echoes and Corruption was how much people respected Samus and how well she gets the job done. Just as one thing I loved about Prime 1 was just how fiercely the Pirates hate and fear her.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
I always viewed Samus like Simon Belmont, actually this applies to most NES era characters. The aren't actually good or bad. They show up to do a job and if something gets in their way it ceases to be a friend, enemy, or bystander, it's now simply a victim. They don't give a rats ass about right or wrong, collateral damage, non combatant casualties, they just want their target. If that means trashing everything, genocide, or boiling women and children alive than oh well. The brief information you got on Samus in the original games seemed to indicate that she terrified the crap out of people, even the people she was ostensibly working for. More of a complete whack job you turned to because there was nobody else crazy enough to try it than a hero who was looked up to.
Changing her to admired just makes her another bland character with nothing special or interesting about her. Might as well put Kirby or a blob on the screen and move on.
I'd have to say that she should be more in the category of respected (as in, people respect that she is a crazy-deadly force of nature when on a hunt) and feared (especially by pirates), but that rumors probably exceed reality (in that she's not a bloodthirsty psychopath).
Admired? Well, I suppose plenty of people wish they were as strong as her. I guess some of her actions qualify as admirable (Echoes, Fusion, saving the cute cuddly aliens in Super), though most of that is also stuff nobody knows about really, or that is almost certainly misunderstood/spun (Fusion).
Actually, I have to wonder how many people actually know what she looks like under the armor. I imagine it's probably convenient for her if its a very small group - that way she can relax and enjoy herself between jobs (not that anyone could actually threaten her when her armor appears with a thought) as seen in the GBA endings.
Except she clearly is a psychopath (DSMIV scale) and probably mentally ill (psychotic) when we first see her. When we first see her she volunteers to take on a suicide mission, with genocide of an alien race as one of the two main objectives, the other being assassination. She was only approached for this because the military itself couldn't pull it off. She arrives on the planet and starts mass murdering in cold blood everything that crosses her path, assassinates her targets, commits the genocide she volunteered to do, the planet is destroyed in the process, and she just rolls out to cash her space check.
The brief moments she shows empathy it's always capricious crap she does on a whim for herself, which further supports her not only being a psychopath but bonkers as well. She'll take a contract for assassination and genocide, but she'll also break that contract and stab the people she works for in the back in split second if she feels like it, because hey "I'm Samus fuck you I do what I want".
That would imply that there was no greater good to be obtained through victory. So, no.
On a different topic, does anyone think there will be a new Metroid announcement around E3? I feel like Reggie Fils-Aime was wearing that Samus pin at VGX for a reason, and it wasn't because he digs the series.
On a different topic, does anyone think there will be a new Metroid announcement around E3? I feel like Reggie Fils-Aime was wearing that Samus pin at VGX for a reason, and it wasn't because he digs the series.
Shes clearly not a psychopath. Youre just pulling things out of your ass.
Because a willingness to engage in assassination and genocide for money shows a good deal of empathy? And after that a willingness to throw your orders and agreements out the window because you want to take home something to amuse you shows a real value of agreements? That's pretty textbook psychopathic behavior.
Just because she's a psychopath doesn't mean she isn't the heroine of the story. Hero's can be psychopaths or even totally insane, they can even accomplish great things for selfish or vile motivations. But Samus is clearly off in the head. Which isn't a huge thing, most video game protagonists are nutters if you actually look at them. Simon Belmont is also clearly nuts.
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
So, I, uh, bought it last night.
I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So I'll give it a shot tonight.
That... that was a joke, right?
Either that or he's in for some massive disappointment.
Bad game that sold awfully that had all the unsold copies destroyed so there are few in existence?! I'm thinking collector's item!!
So hell yeah I got it! I'll bet my retirement on it, just like I did with bitcoins! What can go wrong?!
On a different topic, does anyone think there will be a new Metroid announcement around E3? I feel like Reggie Fils-Aime was wearing that Samus pin at VGX for a reason, and it wasn't because he digs the series.
Probably? Retro could announce something but they literally have their choice of franchises so who knows
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Shes clearly not a psychopath. Youre just pulling things out of your ass.
Because a willingness to engage in assassination and genocide for money shows a good deal of empathy? And after that a willingness to throw your orders and agreements out the window because you want to take home something to amuse you shows a real value of agreements? That's pretty textbook psychopathic behavior.
Just because she's a psychopath doesn't mean she isn't the heroine of the story. Hero's can be psychopaths or even totally insane, they can even accomplish great things for selfish or vile motivations. But Samus is clearly off in the head. Which isn't a huge thing, most video game protagonists are nutters if you actually look at them. Simon Belmont is also clearly nuts.
Let's see. As for empathy.
Well, all three Prime games show some.
In Prime 1, she only really needed to take out the Pirate installation and murder Ridley again, but she chose to explore what happened to the planet and destroy the source of Phazon on it. Either out of a desire to prevent the planet from further damage, or to protect galactic society from Phazon. And maybe a personal stake, due to the presence of Chozo on the planet.
In Prime 2, there was the "respectfully closing the corpse's eyes" bit, or similar, when she found what was left of Bravo Team. And, again, that's all she had to do. She didn't need to save the Luminoth as part of her mission, nor did she know there was Phazon to eliminate at the time.
In Corruption, she seems to regard the other hunters as comrades. Her reaction to Dark Samus showing up around them is anger at what's happening to them.
Also, there was her willingness to sacrifice herself in Fusion to protect the galaxy from the X, and her canonically saving the animals in Super.
I kind of think that the games that could portray Samus as psychotic are outnumbered.
I like the ambiguity of her early portrayal, and liked to think that Metroid was a sort of backdoor for more serious issues than Nintendo would want to touch—Samus's story is much more traumatic than the kid-friendly Mario or the legendary heroism in Zelda.
But Samus is obviously not portrayed as a psychopath.
So, I, uh, bought it last night.
I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So I'll give it a shot tonight.
That... that was a joke, right?
Either that or he's in for some massive disappointment.
Bad game that sold awfully that had all the unsold copies destroyed so there are few in existence?! I'm thinking collector's item!!
So hell yeah I got it! I'll bet my retirement on it, just like I did with bitcoins! What can go wrong?!
That's not quite how it went. A judge ordered all unsold copies removed from shelves (and I think destroyed) because Silicon Knights turned out to have been in serious breach of contract over the engine they used.
So the circumstances were a bit more severe than "it didn't sell well".
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chiasaur11Never doubt a raccoon.Do you think it's trademarked?Registered Userregular
Shes clearly not a psychopath. Youre just pulling things out of your ass.
Because a willingness to engage in assassination and genocide for money shows a good deal of empathy? And after that a willingness to throw your orders and agreements out the window because you want to take home something to amuse you shows a real value of agreements? That's pretty textbook psychopathic behavior.
Just because she's a psychopath doesn't mean she isn't the heroine of the story. Hero's can be psychopaths or even totally insane, they can even accomplish great things for selfish or vile motivations. But Samus is clearly off in the head. Which isn't a huge thing, most video game protagonists are nutters if you actually look at them. Simon Belmont is also clearly nuts.
Let's see. As for empathy.
Well, all three Prime games show some.
In Prime 1, she only really needed to take out the Pirate installation and murder Ridley again, but she chose to explore what happened to the planet and destroy the source of Phazon on it. Either out of a desire to prevent the planet from further damage, or to protect galactic society from Phazon. And maybe a personal stake, due to the presence of Chozo on the planet.
In Prime 2, there was the "respectfully closing the corpse's eyes" bit, or similar, when she found what was left of Bravo Team. And, again, that's all she had to do. She didn't need to save the Luminoth as part of her mission, nor did she know there was Phazon to eliminate at the time.
In Corruption, she seems to regard the other hunters as comrades. Her reaction to Dark Samus showing up around them is anger at what's happening to them.
Also, there was her willingness to sacrifice herself in Fusion to protect the galaxy from the X, and her canonically saving the animals in Super.
I kind of think that the games that could portray Samus as psychotic are outnumbered.
We also get the information that Ghor, a fellow hunter, is known for donating all the cash he doesn't need to keep in the game to charities, when he isn't working for free. He's shown, until possessed by Dark Samus, to be a good guy.
And he likes Samus.
She's good at killing. She's on a revenge kick to the point she's the damn devil for Pirates. But sometimes people need killing. Don't need to be a psycho or a monster to do it, even if being able to kill without remorse puts someone out of the regular.
There's a Lewis essay on the nature of civilization. Mostly, it's divided into two groups in an endless, miserable cycle. The meek, who are civilized and peaceful. And the barbarians who stomp their faces in, then get weak themselves to be replaced by new barbarians.
Only there's a third thing. Knights. Unyielding in battle, the most lethal things to draw breath, but as gentle in peacetime as a newborn.
I like the ambiguity of her early portrayal, and liked to think that Metroid was a sort of backdoor for more serious issues than Nintendo would want to touch—Samus's story is much more traumatic than the kid-friendly Mario or the legendary heroism in Zelda.
But Samus is obviously not portrayed as a psychopath.
Psychopath doesn't mean someone gets off on killing people, or writes insane ramblings on bathroom walls in their own feces. It's core is a lack of empathy and remorse compared to a normal individual, and a lack of inhibitions along with cold behavior. Samus is exactly that. Pyschopaths can also be very successful at what they do with a sort of "ends justify the means" attitude and they don't get bogged down by ruining lives along the way. Pointing out that she's a psychopath isn't a knock on her, in fact that sort of mentality is probably a massive help when it comes to being a Space Bounty Hunter of all things.
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All this Metroid talk has reminded me that I haven't played through the Prime trilogy in quite a while. I'm going to have to do that soon.
So, I, uh, bought it last night.
I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So I'll give it a shot tonight.
That... that was a joke, right?
Either that or he's in for some massive disappointment.
Bad game that sold awfully that had all the unsold copies destroyed so there are few in existence?! I'm thinking collector's item!!
So hell yeah I got it! I'll bet my retirement on it, just like I did with bitcoins! What can go wrong?!
That's not quite how it went. A judge ordered all unsold copies removed from shelves (and I think destroyed) because Silicon Knights turned out to have been in serious breach of contract over the engine they used.
So the circumstances were a bit more severe than "it didn't sell well".
Well, it also didn't sell well because it was an awful game. So there were few in the wild when the judgement was made.
Anyway.
Metroid! Good game, if you ignore the most recent ones.
Shes clearly not a psychopath. Youre just pulling things out of your ass.
Because a willingness to engage in assassination and genocide for money shows a good deal of empathy? And after that a willingness to throw your orders and agreements out the window because you want to take home something to amuse you shows a real value of agreements? That's pretty textbook psychopathic behavior.
Just because she's a psychopath doesn't mean she isn't the heroine of the story. Hero's can be psychopaths or even totally insane, they can even accomplish great things for selfish or vile motivations. But Samus is clearly off in the head. Which isn't a huge thing, most video game protagonists are nutters if you actually look at them. Simon Belmont is also clearly nuts.
Let's see. As for empathy.
Well, all three Prime games show some.
In Prime 1, she only really needed to take out the Pirate installation and murder Ridley again, but she chose to explore what happened to the planet and destroy the source of Phazon on it. Either out of a desire to prevent the planet from further damage, or to protect galactic society from Phazon. And maybe a personal stake, due to the presence of Chozo on the planet.
In Prime 2, there was the "respectfully closing the corpse's eyes" bit, or similar, when she found what was left of Bravo Team. And, again, that's all she had to do. She didn't need to save the Luminoth as part of her mission, nor did she know there was Phazon to eliminate at the time.
In Corruption, she seems to regard the other hunters as comrades. Her reaction to Dark Samus showing up around them is anger at what's happening to them.
Also, there was her willingness to sacrifice herself in Fusion to protect the galaxy from the X, and her canonically saving the animals in Super.
I kind of think that the games that could portray Samus as psychotic are outnumbered.
We also get the information that Ghor, a fellow hunter, is known for donating all the cash he doesn't need to keep in the game to charities, when he isn't working for free. He's shown, until possessed by Dark Samus, to be a good guy.
And he likes Samus.
She's good at killing. She's on a revenge kick to the point she's the damn devil for Pirates. But sometimes people need killing. Don't need to be a psycho or a monster to do it, even if being able to kill without remorse puts someone out of the regular.
There's a Lewis essay on the nature of civilization. Mostly, it's divided into two groups in an endless, miserable cycle. The meek, who are civilized and peaceful. And the barbarians who stomp their faces in, then get weak themselves to be replaced by new barbarians.
Only there's a third thing. Knights. Unyielding in battle, the most lethal things to draw breath, but as gentle in peacetime as a newborn.
Gotta say, Samus's armor looks pretty shiny.
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She spared the baby metroid at the end of 2 for crying out loud. No psychopath would do that. She'd put two in it's "head" and call that mission complete and then get wasted at the end of Super Metroid. Samus' compassion literally saves the day at the end of that game. Worst case scenario? Samus suffers from PTSD and/or suffers from survivor's guilt due to what happened to her family as a child, which could cause her to have a certain lack of disreguard for her own safty (going into impossible missions, escaping blowing up planets, generally being awesome) but she demonstratably even before the modern era cares about other sentient beings. Even metroids for crying out loud and they're the biggest threat the galaxy's ever seen.
Also, Simon Belmont is only insane in the sense that he's willingly walking into Dracula's castle to put down a seemingly immortal vampire and one of the most henous monsters in history. When people say that people who do those kinds of things are "insane" what they actually mean is "unreasonablly brave" dude is a hero like no other. Pretty much all belmonts are (um, sans reboot I guess.)
In the NES days, they paid so little attention to characterization other than trying to make the protagonist look either cute or badass. You could literally write any sort of personality onto old school Samus or Simon Belmont or whatever. I think this is probably kind of a rorschach test situation, where it says more about how the individual views the character than how the characters really are. I mean, how much do we really know about Link in the og LoZ? Maybe he's just trying to find the Triforce and princess so he can rule Hyrule himself as a tyranical dictator. Maybe he just really hates pigs. We don't know. I personally choose to believe these guys are all heroes myself because they face terrible evil when they don't actually have to with little in the way of personal motivators. Samus has more personal investment than some, but still in at least half the games, she's not even getting paid.
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Only the trilogy is playable on WiiU. You'd need a wii remote and a nunchuk.
Considering Samus' track record of blowing up the entire planet she's adventuring on, I would be terrified if she showed up and I didn't actually know that she was a hero. I'd just be like, "Oh, shit! Crazy space man-with-no-name is here. Abandon planet, this place is doomed!"
Plus, how awesome would that monologue be for a trailer of a reboot. People would be all like, "WTF did they do to Samus?!"
Don't worry, dude. I'd never leave my imaginary game on that note.
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Corruption was a Wii release, so it works standalone... but you probably want to play the whole series.
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Hunters involves that somewhat.
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Granted, you aren't chasing a bounty so much as exterminating Phazon, but 2 out of 3's alright.
I wonder if it's cheaper to find an old Gamecube.
Though not as much as you'd think. Like with Xenoblade, Gamestop pulled the whole "oh, we found a big pile of these in our warehouse somehow! *wink*" and sold them used for $80, but it blew up in their face and they're now selling them for $50.
Granted that's still a lot for a used game, but they were selling for more than that used before Gamestop's stunt. So, thanks Gamestop!
IIRC, one of them looked like a 7 foot tall ostrich that jumped a couple hundred feet with no power armor assistance, just a good running start. No power armor on green bird dude.
I'm pretty sure that a good kick from it could mess some stuff up, should it be so inclined.
Oops misread.
Just make sure you don't buy the new Wii since they removed GC comparability
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I did a bunch of googling, and it turns out that, while Gamestop has the most copies, they are the most reasonable. On eBay I saw one copy that had a week to go, but was $15 right now. I doubt it would last a week. A bunch of other places showed that it was going for $70-80. So I got it there, as well as a used WiiMote and Nunchuck. And I also scored an even bigger bounty! X-Men Destiny!
So I'll give it a shot tonight.
That... that was a joke, right?
I always viewed Samus like Simon Belmont, actually this applies to most NES era characters. The aren't actually good or bad. They show up to do a job and if something gets in their way it ceases to be a friend, enemy, or bystander, it's now simply a victim. They don't give a rats ass about right or wrong, collateral damage, non combatant casualties, they just want their target. If that means trashing everything, genocide, or boiling women and children alive than oh well. The brief information you got on Samus in the original games seemed to indicate that she terrified the crap out of people, even the people she was ostensibly working for. More of a complete whack job you turned to because there was nobody else crazy enough to try it than a hero who was looked up to.
Changing her to admired just makes her another bland character with nothing special or interesting about her. Might as well put Kirby or a blob on the screen and move on.
Either that or he's in for some massive disappointment.
I'd have to say that she should be more in the category of respected (as in, people respect that she is a crazy-deadly force of nature when on a hunt) and feared (especially by pirates), but that rumors probably exceed reality (in that she's not a bloodthirsty psychopath).
Admired? Well, I suppose plenty of people wish they were as strong as her. I guess some of her actions qualify as admirable (Echoes, Fusion, saving the cute cuddly aliens in Super), though most of that is also stuff nobody knows about really, or that is almost certainly misunderstood/spun (Fusion).
Actually, I have to wonder how many people actually know what she looks like under the armor. I imagine it's probably convenient for her if its a very small group - that way she can relax and enjoy herself between jobs (not that anyone could actually threaten her when her armor appears with a thought) as seen in the GBA endings.
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Except she clearly is a psychopath (DSMIV scale) and probably mentally ill (psychotic) when we first see her. When we first see her she volunteers to take on a suicide mission, with genocide of an alien race as one of the two main objectives, the other being assassination. She was only approached for this because the military itself couldn't pull it off. She arrives on the planet and starts mass murdering in cold blood everything that crosses her path, assassinates her targets, commits the genocide she volunteered to do, the planet is destroyed in the process, and she just rolls out to cash her space check.
The brief moments she shows empathy it's always capricious crap she does on a whim for herself, which further supports her not only being a psychopath but bonkers as well. She'll take a contract for assassination and genocide, but she'll also break that contract and stab the people she works for in the back in split second if she feels like it, because hey "I'm Samus fuck you I do what I want".
A suicide mission to federation troops and a suicide mission to Samus are two different things. Additionally, genocide is not an objective of any of her missions (well, Echoes, but they shot first. II and Fusion don't count since genocide applies to sentient life only) - in the first game, her objective is to take out Mother Brain and shut down the Metroid weaponization program... blowing the base sky high wasn't even her doing (directly - it was basically a last-ditch attack at her).
And assassination? Granted, Mother Brain was an explicit objective. But I wouldn't call that a sign of psychosis.
There are two cases she has broken her contract. Both times were for the express purpose of saving the entire fucking galaxy.
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That would imply that there was no greater good to be obtained through victory. So, no.
I fucking hope so
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Because a willingness to engage in assassination and genocide for money shows a good deal of empathy? And after that a willingness to throw your orders and agreements out the window because you want to take home something to amuse you shows a real value of agreements? That's pretty textbook psychopathic behavior.
Just because she's a psychopath doesn't mean she isn't the heroine of the story. Hero's can be psychopaths or even totally insane, they can even accomplish great things for selfish or vile motivations. But Samus is clearly off in the head. Which isn't a huge thing, most video game protagonists are nutters if you actually look at them. Simon Belmont is also clearly nuts.
Bad game that sold awfully that had all the unsold copies destroyed so there are few in existence?! I'm thinking collector's item!!
So hell yeah I got it! I'll bet my retirement on it, just like I did with bitcoins! What can go wrong?!
Probably? Retro could announce something but they literally have their choice of franchises so who knows
Let's see. As for empathy.
Well, all three Prime games show some.
In Prime 1, she only really needed to take out the Pirate installation and murder Ridley again, but she chose to explore what happened to the planet and destroy the source of Phazon on it. Either out of a desire to prevent the planet from further damage, or to protect galactic society from Phazon. And maybe a personal stake, due to the presence of Chozo on the planet.
In Prime 2, there was the "respectfully closing the corpse's eyes" bit, or similar, when she found what was left of Bravo Team. And, again, that's all she had to do. She didn't need to save the Luminoth as part of her mission, nor did she know there was Phazon to eliminate at the time.
In Corruption, she seems to regard the other hunters as comrades. Her reaction to Dark Samus showing up around them is anger at what's happening to them.
Also, there was her willingness to sacrifice herself in Fusion to protect the galaxy from the X, and her canonically saving the animals in Super.
I kind of think that the games that could portray Samus as psychotic are outnumbered.
But Samus is obviously not portrayed as a psychopath.
That's not quite how it went. A judge ordered all unsold copies removed from shelves (and I think destroyed) because Silicon Knights turned out to have been in serious breach of contract over the engine they used.
So the circumstances were a bit more severe than "it didn't sell well".
We also get the information that Ghor, a fellow hunter, is known for donating all the cash he doesn't need to keep in the game to charities, when he isn't working for free. He's shown, until possessed by Dark Samus, to be a good guy.
And he likes Samus.
She's good at killing. She's on a revenge kick to the point she's the damn devil for Pirates. But sometimes people need killing. Don't need to be a psycho or a monster to do it, even if being able to kill without remorse puts someone out of the regular.
There's a Lewis essay on the nature of civilization. Mostly, it's divided into two groups in an endless, miserable cycle. The meek, who are civilized and peaceful. And the barbarians who stomp their faces in, then get weak themselves to be replaced by new barbarians.
Only there's a third thing. Knights. Unyielding in battle, the most lethal things to draw breath, but as gentle in peacetime as a newborn.
Gotta say, Samus's armor looks pretty shiny.
Why I fear the ocean.
Psychopath doesn't mean someone gets off on killing people, or writes insane ramblings on bathroom walls in their own feces. It's core is a lack of empathy and remorse compared to a normal individual, and a lack of inhibitions along with cold behavior. Samus is exactly that. Pyschopaths can also be very successful at what they do with a sort of "ends justify the means" attitude and they don't get bogged down by ruining lives along the way. Pointing out that she's a psychopath isn't a knock on her, in fact that sort of mentality is probably a massive help when it comes to being a Space Bounty Hunter of all things.
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Well, it also didn't sell well because it was an awful game. So there were few in the wild when the judgement was made.
Anyway.
Metroid! Good game, if you ignore the most recent ones.
YUP!
She spared the baby metroid at the end of 2 for crying out loud. No psychopath would do that. She'd put two in it's "head" and call that mission complete and then get wasted at the end of Super Metroid. Samus' compassion literally saves the day at the end of that game. Worst case scenario? Samus suffers from PTSD and/or suffers from survivor's guilt due to what happened to her family as a child, which could cause her to have a certain lack of disreguard for her own safty (going into impossible missions, escaping blowing up planets, generally being awesome) but she demonstratably even before the modern era cares about other sentient beings. Even metroids for crying out loud and they're the biggest threat the galaxy's ever seen.
Also, Simon Belmont is only insane in the sense that he's willingly walking into Dracula's castle to put down a seemingly immortal vampire and one of the most henous monsters in history. When people say that people who do those kinds of things are "insane" what they actually mean is "unreasonablly brave" dude is a hero like no other. Pretty much all belmonts are (um, sans reboot I guess.)
In the NES days, they paid so little attention to characterization other than trying to make the protagonist look either cute or badass. You could literally write any sort of personality onto old school Samus or Simon Belmont or whatever. I think this is probably kind of a rorschach test situation, where it says more about how the individual views the character than how the characters really are. I mean, how much do we really know about Link in the og LoZ? Maybe he's just trying to find the Triforce and princess so he can rule Hyrule himself as a tyranical dictator. Maybe he just really hates pigs. We don't know. I personally choose to believe these guys are all heroes myself because they face terrible evil when they don't actually have to with little in the way of personal motivators. Samus has more personal investment than some, but still in at least half the games, she's not even getting paid.
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