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[Cops Gone Wild]: Don't Call a Cop a Bitch Or She'll Shoot You In the Chest Edition

saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuGCZZoy2mI

Bystanders take video of female police officer shooting an unarmed homeless man in the chest after he apparently called her a bitch. According to the video she did have a taser on her as well.

To be fair, he is under suspicion for being involved in some local robberies, but I doubt whatever he was doing did not warrant that.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    One of these days society is gonna have to take a hard goddamn tack back to sanity where being a police officer doesn't make you judge dredd anymore.

    At least, I like to think so.

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Welp

    that's a murder

    Oh brilliant
  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    I honestly couldn't make any damn thing out of that video. Who did what, who said what, etc.

    But if the headline is true? The story is just 'Cop murders homeless guy'.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    I'm sure she just intended to use her taser and only shot him by accident.

    (that's the normal excuse these days, right?)

  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    zagdrob wrote: »
    I honestly couldn't make any damn thing out of that video. Who did what, who said what, etc.

    But if the headline is true? The story is just 'Cop murders homeless guy'.

    Yeah you can't see much from the video, but the eyewitness account speaks volumes.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    i like how the story just brings-up the guy's past unrelated offenses in order to smear him right at the outset.

    With Love and Courage
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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I'll say though, I couldn't make shit out of that video.

    Assuming it's unedited, which is something I sadly have to say given the recent Zimmerman fiasco, to quote Ron Burgandy, "That escalated quickly"

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    The Ender wrote: »
    i like how the story just brings-up the guy's past unrelated offenses in order to smear him right at the outset.

    Welcome to media, yeah.

    Anytime someone is murdered it is important to know all miscellaneous facts about their life that the standard person thinks are bad.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I'll say though, I couldn't make shit out of that video.

    Neither can I.

    I do have to say, obviously it's totally wrong if it went down as described by the witnesses, but you probably shouldn't ask a cop who has a gun out, "What you gonna do, bitch?" Like, this is not a course of action I would recommend for those interested in self-preservation.

    With Love and Courage
  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    I'll say though, I couldn't make shit out of that video.

    Neither can I.

    I do have to say, obviously it's totally wrong if it went down as described by the witnesses, but you probably shouldn't ask a cop who has a gun out, "What you gonna do, bitch?" Like, this is not a course of action I would recommend for those interested in self-preservation.

    Victim-blaming!

    (I keed, I keed)

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    I should probably put it this way: asking anyone who has a gun in my face, "What you gonna do, [gendered slur]?" is not something that I personally would do. You totally do have the right to do that without any expectation of negative consequences. Just, y'know. I wouldn't.

    With Love and Courage
  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    i like how the story just brings-up the guy's past unrelated offenses in order to smear him right at the outset.

    Welcome to media, yeah.

    Anytime someone is murdered it is important to know all miscellaneous facts about their life that the standard person thinks are bad.

    Well, there are times when it's relevant and would be poor journalism not to report.

    The police are understandably going to be more on an edge dealing with a known violent criminal or someone on parole than they would be with a random person off the street.

    This report doesn't give any reason to believe this is one of those times. I'm sure we'll find out he 'went for her gun' or something like that.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    i like how the story just brings-up the guy's past unrelated offenses in order to smear him right at the outset.

    Welcome to media, yeah.

    Anytime someone is murdered it is important to know all miscellaneous facts about their life that the standard person thinks are bad.

    Well, there are times when it's relevant and would be poor journalism not to report.

    The police are understandably going to be more on an edge dealing with a known violent criminal or someone on parole than they would be with a random person off the street.

    This report doesn't give any reason to believe this is one of those times. I'm sure we'll find out he 'went for her gun' or something like that.

    There certainly are, but most of the time it comes up it's irrelevant. Past offenses, previous drug addictions, etc. always seem to come up whether it matters or not.

    It's just something worth being vigilant about.

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    I'd love to see her report.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    Malkor wrote: »
    I'd love to see her report.

    "...then I shouted 'He's comin' right at us!' and fired my gun..."

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Until we're at a point where someone can be a truly unpleasant but harmless dick and not expect to be brutalized and prosecuted by police, we cannot say that this is a society which has the rule of law.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    I'd go so far as to day it's incredibly threatening behavior, and makes it easy for further actions to justify the use of force.

    Mainly because anybody reacting that way to being drawn on is quite obviously not acting at all rationally, making violent and unpredictable behavior a very real concern.

    Well, I don't know. Plenty of people - especially people living the life of hard knocks - couldn't give two fucks. Depending on the tone and context, the remark could well be just a flippant gesture from someone that's more or less lost any faith in society or authority.

    From the video, it looks like the officer runs at the guy, there's some kind of altercation, and then the gun goes off. What happened during the altercation is basically impossible to see from that phone camera footage, but it look like more than dude just mouthing off the officer.

    With Love and Courage
  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    i like how the story just brings-up the guy's past unrelated offenses in order to smear him right at the outset.

    Welcome to media, yeah.

    Anytime someone is murdered it is important to know all miscellaneous facts about their life that the standard person thinks are bad.

    A known history of violence is going to be part of an officers risk assessment, making it relevant to their actions and the story as a whole.

    What you're saying is true in the whole, but this doesn't seem the case to make it on.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Wrong thread.

    zagdrob on
  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Leitner wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    i like how the story just brings-up the guy's past unrelated offenses in order to smear him right at the outset.

    Welcome to media, yeah.

    Anytime someone is murdered it is important to know all miscellaneous facts about their life that the standard person thinks are bad.

    A known history of violence is going to be part of an officers risk assessment, making it relevant to their actions and the story as a whole.

    What you're saying is true in the whole, but this doesn't seem the case to make it on.

    Sure, it's going to be part of the officer's risk assessment. As a viewer of the news channel, is it somehow part of my risk assessment? Of course not. The anchor is just saying it to let me know that he was a bad guy to impart some bias.

    Before we know anything about the situation, the first facts we're told by Mr. News Channel is that the victim was a homeless criminal. That's not 'informing' me - that's giving me a photograph that's had fangs and pointed ears drawn on.

    With Love and Courage
  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Do we know the officer's history? Was she decorated? Had many complaints? Is totally unremarkable?

  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    It'd be interesting to compare/contrast this case of a police shooting with one where the cop was a male.

    I'd be especially interested if the corresponding discussion would be similar.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Why are these details brought up, and not a hypothetical nazi-shrine in the cop's basement and history of throwing bottles at kindergartners, or whatever bad details they might dig up?
    Because it's trying to build one-sided bias against the murdered person in order to make it easier to let the cop off the hook in the media without significant backlash.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Do we know the officer's history? Was she decorated? Had many complaints? Is totally unremarkable?

    Yes, well done, those could be relevant.

    I imagine that's something the papers didn't have the time or ability to find out, but I would be very surprised if for example they had found out she was decorated and didn't start with 'decorated female officer...'

  • RetabaRetaba A Cultist Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Do we know the officer's history? Was she decorated? Had many complaints? Is totally unremarkable?

    We know she is a 13 year veteran. Also the first mention was "an unarmed homeless man" which was quickly followed by "Who officials identify as a convicted burglar wanted in a recent robbery." so I don't exactly understand what you guys are going on about. It seems pretty connected to the events.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    I'm only curious because I can't watch the video at work and it seemed like the bias was pretty obvious if the cop has a sketchy background we're not being permitted to know while describing the homeless man in detail.

  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    I think the brunt of the complaint is the order the facts are presented. If the story started with describing the event in question, then had the eyewitness account, THEN had the background of the victim (and the officer) it would have been more objective reporting.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    I'm only curious because I can't watch the video at work and it seemed like the bias was pretty obvious if the cop has a sketchy background we're not being permitted to know while describing the homeless man in detail.

    Well, we release the name of the dead guy because we don't "disappear" people.
    However, Im kinda OK with sparing this woman the wrath of the internet on the basis of a cell phone video in which no one can see shit.

  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    Retaba wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Do we know the officer's history? Was she decorated? Had many complaints? Is totally unremarkable?

    We know she is a 13 year veteran. Also the first mention was "an unarmed homeless man" which was quickly followed by "Who officials identify as a convicted burglar wanted in a recent robbery." so I don't exactly understand what you guys are going on about. It seems pretty connected to the events.

    It's connected to the events. The problem is, that the proper order of presenting stuff is first describing the event in detail(however much is available) and other relevant reasonably objective information. Detail on the participants follows after.

    Presenting detail on one of the participants(especially since it seems to be mostly negative detail) prior to describing the event in detail, unnecessarily constructs bias against that party before we even know what the chain of events was.

  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    I'm only curious because I can't watch the video at work and it seemed like the bias was pretty obvious if the cop has a sketchy background we're not being permitted to know while describing the homeless man in detail.

    Well, we release the name of the dead guy because we don't "disappear" people.
    However, Im kinda OK with sparing this woman the wrath of the internet on the basis of a cell phone video in which no one can see shit.

    Don't worry, there'll be an investigation, paid leave, and we'll never hear of this story again. The internet won't do shit.

    Rhan9 on
  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    I'm only curious because I can't watch the video at work and it seemed like the bias was pretty obvious if the cop has a sketchy background we're not being permitted to know while describing the homeless man in detail.

    Well, we release the name of the dead guy because we don't "disappear" people.
    However, Im kinda OK with sparing this woman the wrath of the internet on the basis of a cell phone video in which no one can see shit.

    True enough.

    Although that consideration is very selectively applied. I'd be okay if the names of arrested people weren't released unless formal charges are brought, or, even better, a conviction.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Rhan9 wrote: »
    Retaba wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Do we know the officer's history? Was she decorated? Had many complaints? Is totally unremarkable?

    We know she is a 13 year veteran. Also the first mention was "an unarmed homeless man" which was quickly followed by "Who officials identify as a convicted burglar wanted in a recent robbery." so I don't exactly understand what you guys are going on about. It seems pretty connected to the events.

    It's connected to the events. The problem is, that the proper order of presenting stuff is first describing the event in detail(however much is available) and other relevant reasonably objective information. Detail on the participants follows after.

    Presenting detail on one of the participants(especially since it seems to be mostly negative detail) prior to describing the event in detail, unnecessarily constructs bias against that party before we even know what the chain of events was.

    Also, the way the information is framed:

    "Officials identify as a convicted burglar wanted in a recent robbery," rather than, say, "Whom the officer wanted to detain for questioning regarding a recent robbery,"

    Same pertinent information, less ridiculous bias against the victim.

    EDIT: Also note that when you frame it without going out of your way to smear the victim, you also give more respect to the situation the officer may have been in. It makes more sense when you tell the viewer that she was going to question him that his reaction might have been hostile, and why she may have reacted the way she did when he said, "What you gonna do, bitch?" during whatever altercation happened.

    The Ender on
    With Love and Courage
  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Rhan9 wrote: »
    Retaba wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It might have informed their behaviour, affecting the decisions they make leading up to the incident.

    Seems pretty pertinent.

    Do we know the officer's history? Was she decorated? Had many complaints? Is totally unremarkable?

    We know she is a 13 year veteran. Also the first mention was "an unarmed homeless man" which was quickly followed by "Who officials identify as a convicted burglar wanted in a recent robbery." so I don't exactly understand what you guys are going on about. It seems pretty connected to the events.

    It's connected to the events. The problem is, that the proper order of presenting stuff is first describing the event in detail(however much is available) and other relevant reasonably objective information. Detail on the participants follows after.

    Presenting detail on one of the participants(especially since it seems to be mostly negative detail) prior to describing the event in detail, unnecessarily constructs bias against that party before we even know what the chain of events was.

    Also, the way the information is framed:

    "Officials identify as a convicted burglar wanted in a recent robbery," rather than, say, "Whom the officer wanted to detain for questioning regarding a recent robbery,"

    Same pertinent information, less ridiculous bias against the victim.

    The way this is framed, before we even see the video the case is already built that this is a bad guy and a criminal who is probably at fault for whatever follows.

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    See, this is apparently how you're supposed to do it.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    Malkor wrote: »
    See, this is apparently how you're supposed to do it.

    That's equally terrible for the same reason.

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