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Dealing With Terrorist States (Iran Hostage Thread)
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It was about time they ignored the Joker's diplomatic immunity.
I don't think so, at least not all of them. That's probably why we are in the situation we are in currently, because a bit back there was word brewing from inside Iran that they were miffed that they had lost some of their guys and were considering evening the hostage score.
Those captures are the only things that prevents me from thinking they are totally nuts/hostile.
I don't know if this has gotten out there yet.. reading whole threads in D&D usually causes suborbital bleeds.
I'm sure its been mentioned.
Best possible result, right there.
Yes, and then we get that mushroom cloud from when you lease a mission as the allies in Red Alert. But who gives a fuck about the allies, because the Soviets were so much better.
Sounds kinda ominous really, or it could just be more political rhetoric.
Sarge out.
He gets to show everyone how compassionate and forgiving he is!
What an asshole. I'm sure Gorak will be happy to know that Iran are such good guys...
Apparently, the U.S. is an Islamic nation, too, based on our deceitful foreign policy.
I think we do it better than they do, we've gotten a bit of practice.
Iran/Contra
Panama
Afganistan
Columbia
Just happy to know they're coming home.
I never said that Iran were "good guys", just that they've not done any worse than us. Last thing I heard, we're still holding their diplomats.
Morally, Iran just handed us our ass on a platter.
It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.
Not that I wanna rush to defend Cheney, or his douchebaggery, but is there anything other than a namless Pakistani official saying "Yeah, Dick wants to fund those terrorists guys to fuck with Iran." Ya know, in Iran Contra we had that airlift shot down exposing the whole thing. Here we've got just the press.
I ain't putting it past'em to pull some kind of shit like this, but i'd like something more conclusive s'all i'm sayin'.
Fake Edit: If it's true, i'm not thrilled, but I can't pity Iran. I know exactly what those fuckers are doing in Iraq, and I hope they eat it big.
It may be some time until we hear the details of what happened, but until then I can't make too much sense of this.
Well, there's the entire history of US foreign policy towards Latin America (and others) that shows that this is a standard tactic.
They are doing exactly what the US and the UK have done in other countries. If Iran knows anything about overthrowing/usurping a government, they learnt it from us in 1953.
My reckoning is that Iran didn't have a leg to stand on "legally" (or whatever passes for that in international politics) and as Gorak (sort of) pointed out, wanted to get in a quick "moral" victory rather than an embarrasing loss. I guess there was some background manouveuring too probably.
You've got a point, but I was refering to more of a smoking gun really.
It was a game for Iran. They paraded the hostages till Britain's patience started to wear thin. Iran had their fun and Britain showed good restraint.
However... This showed the world how cruel and false Iran really is. Does anybody have high hopes that war with Iran is not in the future?
I do, for the simple sake I think there are people in the Pentagon who are plotting against war with Iran with their every breath.
Or at least I hope to God there's someone up there who has an ounce of common sense and monkeywrenching the warmongers.
They're saving the Iran war until election year.
The question is, a) is our civilian leadership reckless enough to do it, and b) is our civilian leadership going to listen to the military's advice, or our they going to gin up their own wacky plans? If the military concludes (as is likely the case) that a war with Iran would be a "bad idea", militarily speaking, will our government listen?
As for Iran, this was just showboating, as it were. Like the games China played with our "surveillance" planes. Ahmadinejad may be unpredictable at times, but he does appear to be restrained by other players within Iran. So as long as the various parties don't do anything overly reckless, war is certainly not "inevitable".
As cruel and false as any western government. Seriously, dude, read a fucking book.
Like Noam Chomsky??? You fucking moron, move outside that closed world of yours. The West has its minuses but if you think countries like Iran are at the same level then you should be in a kennel before you pee on the floor. Your country killed many of my ancestors but guess what? We moved on, you should too.
Did you know you can be hanged for homosexuality in Iran? How about imprisoned for playing Western music?
So my world is closed, but you are open to new ideas?
So what is the time limit before we "move on"? How many years need to pass before you forget that Iranians killed Americans and you move on? I'm not asking for special treatment for Iran, I'm saying that we should be held to the same standards to which we hold other countries.
Did you know that they want to hang people in America for being homosexual? And imprison them if you swear on the radio in America?
Its fun to paint your opponent as an evil woman hating society of sticks and mud while you're busy trying to oppress your own women and minorities.
While you're busy trying to spin that one, I'd like to mention that Iran actually has a pretty progressive policy towards transgendered individuals. Seriously, before you start trying to tell people to "move outside", I suggest you take your own fucking advice instead of sounding like a right wing chump like you have since day one.
Don't forget the fact that, up until last year, we were executing people with the mental capacity of children, and I believe the year before that was the last year we were actually allowed to execute regular children.
Seems pretty barbaric to me.
I too would like to see some more evidence, but agree that if it is true we are basically surrendering all moral high ground (to the extent there is any) in dealing with Iran. Just because they pull this shit does not mean we can too. Also, the idea of helping people capture and behead soldiers is a really shitty precedent to create when you have as many soldiers as we do on the ground over there. If there really was a war where prisoners were taken I would hate to be one of the first POWs captured by the Revolutionary Guard. It's like no one in the White House gives a shit about the practical ramifications that stem from their bat-shit insane policies in regards to the people we put in harms way in Iraq .
Wrong. I just said you're a fucking moron for thinking Western countries are just as evil as Iran.
He didn't say evil, jackass. He said cruel and unjust, which is a whole different can of worms entirely.
Take your fucking warmonger shit elsewhere, jackass.
They as in Iran or the USA? When you use the word they please clarify who they is. If you mean they as in the USA then you're just plucking individuals who don't represent the government and have lost the argument. We're talking governments here, boy. NEXT!
I'm pointing out that jackassery isn't limited to Iran, you tool, and if it wasn't for people like Noam Chomsky, the things I pointed out would be happening in America. OMG its londonbridge being intentionally obtuse, what a shocker.