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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    @podly probably I will be pool floating in croton all weekend, I think Chu and or jake might come over before the party I unno

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Cinders wrote: »
    It's kind of sad that out of all the news reports that I've seen about Manning today, only two have actually gendered her right. And one of those is the Daily Mail.

    The BBC World story I heard on my lunchbreak began the story saying, "Bradley Manning says he is now a woman," and then seamlessly transitioned into using "she/her" and referring to her as Chelsea.

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »

    It's funny because that's a plausible reaction from Obama.
    Really, though, how many Syrians were killed by chemical weapons this past week? Dozens?

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    from olden times gender roles were pretty well defined in Norway

    and manliness - by which I don't really mean machismo and bravado but doing the things that a man should and not doing that what a man shouldn't - was very important to the old norse

    deadliest of insults were all questioning a man's honor and manliness

    deadliest in the literal sense since the result was either combat, or the insult being true, and a man's honor and manliness, his status as a proper man, taken away


    combined with that there's also that women held a stronger position than a lot of other societies in europe

    they could inherit, and the lady held the keys to the farm and was undoubtedly the one who ran shit at home



    that juxtaposition kinda reminds me a little of how it's now

    we have a society with equal rights - not just nominally, we do. Equal pay for equal work has been a thing for ages - yet also a very traditional gender divide in professions.

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck Registered User regular
    Cinders wrote: »
    It's kind of sad that out of all the news reports that I've seen about Manning today, only two have actually gendered her right. And one of those is the Daily Mail.

    yeah huh

    I just did a quick news search to see

    this abc story is like, "The statement asked people to use the feminine pronoun when referring to Manning. It was signed Chelsea E. Manning."

    then later, calls Manning he

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Chanus wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    It's kind of sad that out of all the news reports that I've seen about Manning today, only two have actually gendered her right. And one of those is the Daily Mail.

    The BBC World story I heard on my lunchbreak began the story saying, "Bradley Manning says he is now a woman," and then seamlessly transitioned into using "she/her" and referring to her as Chelsea.

    It is kind of funny seeing all these things about what's going on now when the trans thing is really not new, just not widely talked about.

    Information is a funny thing.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »

    It's funny because that's a plausible reaction from Obama.
    Really, though, how many Syrians were killed by chemical weapons this past week? Dozens?

    Yes, that's how satire works :P

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    It's kind of sad that out of all the news reports that I've seen about Manning today, only two have actually gendered her right. And one of those is the Daily Mail.

    o_O

    WHAT IS GOING ON

    did they scare quote the pronouns

    that is what they used to do in any article involving gender identity

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    Elldren wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I have no idea if insurance companies largely cover treatments for those ICD codes.

    It wouldn't surprise me if they usually don't.

    fuck insurance!

    it is my new mantra

    lots of insurance also starts going "hey, those amphetamines are expensive..."

    fuck insurance!

    I really want to jump on the "Fuck insurance!" bandwagon but I just recently got prior auth for a drug that a month worth runs like 50% of my total premiums for a year. I feel obligated to say "Sometimes they don't fuck you.*"

    DevoutlyApathetic on
    Nod. Get treat. PSN: Quippish
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    of course ideally it would be like going

    "you got hella courage, kid, I'll give you that" and then beating said person to a pulp



    my point is I think we're definitely past the point where intervening will make things worse

    no one's really holding their breath waiting for norway to intervene

    you may or may not have noticed we're in a military alliance and generally tend to bomb the same stuff

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck Registered User regular
    that abc story is from the ap

    and 2011 ap style says

    "Transgender: Use the pronoun preferred by the individuals who have acquired the physical characteristics of the opposite sex or present themselves in a way that does not correspond with their sex at birth. If that preference is not expressed, use the pronoun consistent with the way the individuals live publicly.

    http://blog.cleveland.com/letters/2013/05/refer_to_transgender_entry_in.html

    so they fucked up

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    of course ideally it would be like going

    "you got hella courage, kid, I'll give you that" and then beating said person to a pulp



    my point is I think we're definitely past the point where intervening will make things worse

    no one's really holding their breath waiting for norway to intervene

    you may or may not have noticed we're in a military alliance and generally tend to bomb the same stuff

    That just seems excessive.

    I say everyone bomb different things to avoid wasting bombs.

  • CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    It's kind of sad that out of all the news reports that I've seen about Manning today, only two have actually gendered her right. And one of those is the Daily Mail.

    o_O

    WHAT IS GOING ON

    did they scare quote the pronouns

    that is what they used to do in any article involving gender identity

    Nope, just used she throughout the entire article.

    It was weird.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    that abc story is from the ap

    and 2011 ap style says

    "Transgender: Use the pronoun preferred by the individuals who have acquired the physical characteristics of the opposite sex or present themselves in a way that does not correspond with their sex at birth. If that preference is not expressed, use the pronoun consistent with the way the individuals live publicly.

    http://blog.cleveland.com/letters/2013/05/refer_to_transgender_entry_in.html

    so they fucked up

    Or they're just being inconsiderate silly geese.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    of course ideally it would be like going

    "you got hella courage, kid, I'll give you that" and then beating said person to a pulp



    my point is I think we're definitely past the point where intervening will make things worse

    no one's really holding their breath waiting for norway to intervene

    you may or may not have noticed we're in a military alliance and generally tend to bomb the same stuff

    That just seems excessive.

    I say everyone bomb different things to avoid wasting bombs.

    the only acceptable level of force is overwhelming; there is no overkill, there is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    of course ideally it would be like going

    "you got hella courage, kid, I'll give you that" and then beating said person to a pulp



    my point is I think we're definitely past the point where intervening will make things worse

    no one's really holding their breath waiting for norway to intervene

    you may or may not have noticed we're in a military alliance and generally tend to bomb the same stuff

    That just seems excessive.

    I say everyone bomb different things to avoid wasting bombs.

    Mass bombings take an absurd number of bombs to be successful. So you kinda need to bomb the same stuff.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    heh i just told myself i'd mow the lawn when it's 3 o'clock

    oh time. why are you flying. make that 3:30 then

    Just tell your neighbors this year is the fallow crop year.

    but he mows his lawn 3 times a week. for hours at a time. it is his hobby.

    and the other house beside us was foreclosed so it's like

    well okay their lawn is REALLY nice. . that one is REALLY bad. . .oh the one in the middle well okay i guess they could be worse.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Cinders wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    It's kind of sad that out of all the news reports that I've seen about Manning today, only two have actually gendered her right. And one of those is the Daily Mail.

    o_O

    WHAT IS GOING ON

    did they scare quote the pronouns

    that is what they used to do in any article involving gender identity

    Nope, just used she throughout the entire article.

    It was weird.

    Twilight zone news day.

  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Suit chat?
    Whoa.
    I'm buying a suit now

  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    chelsea manning has to be just about the worst face of transgenderism that could come along right now

    i guess that dude who held those women captive in his basement might have been worse

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    of course ideally it would be like going

    "you got hella courage, kid, I'll give you that" and then beating said person to a pulp



    my point is I think we're definitely past the point where intervening will make things worse

    no one's really holding their breath waiting for norway to intervene

    you may or may not have noticed we're in a military alliance and generally tend to bomb the same stuff

    That just seems excessive.

    I say everyone bomb different things to avoid wasting bombs.

    Mass bombings take an absurd number of bombs to be successful. So you kinda need to bomb the same stuff.

    Yeah it was just a silly joke assuming precision strikes on the same exact location many times.

  • CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Like if through some sort of magic I get to make chat, it will be hetronormative chat.

    All piv sex and boobies and ruggedly handsome men and buxom ladies.

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    heh i just told myself i'd mow the lawn when it's 3 o'clock

    oh time. why are you flying. make that 3:30 then

    Just tell your neighbors this year is the fallow crop year.

    but he mows his lawn 3 times a week. for hours at a time. it is his hobby.

    and the other house beside us was foreclosed so it's like

    well okay their lawn is REALLY nice. . that one is REALLY bad. . .oh the one in the middle well okay i guess they could be worse.

    The worst hobby.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    I'm still trying to process the Daily Mail thing.

    I'm failing.

  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    that abc story is from the ap

    and 2011 ap style says

    "Transgender: Use the pronoun preferred by the individuals who have acquired the physical characteristics of the opposite sex or present themselves in a way that does not correspond with their sex at birth. If that preference is not expressed, use the pronoun consistent with the way the individuals live publicly.

    http://blog.cleveland.com/letters/2013/05/refer_to_transgender_entry_in.html

    so they fucked up

    NYTimes ran the same way. Must have been an editorial decision not to switch genders mid-story.

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  • Ravenhpltc24Ravenhpltc24 So Raven Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Suit chat?
    Whoa.
    I'm buying a suit now

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiweaZQ8g5U

    (V) ( ;,,; ) (V)
  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    All this transgender talk reminded me that Lana Wachowski really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    chelsea manning has to be just about the worst face of transgenderism that could come along right now

    i guess that dude who held those women captive in his basement might have been worse

    well, kinda, but like

    my reaction was like

    "uh, okay?

    that came kinda out of left field and I can't think of any way to link that to the reason she's in the news"

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck Registered User regular
    hmm I am going to submit a correction to the AP and to Reuters. I doubt they'll respond, but

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I have no idea if insurance companies largely cover treatments for those ICD codes.

    It wouldn't surprise me if they usually don't.

    fuck insurance!

    it is my new mantra

    lots of insurance also starts going "hey, those amphetamines are expensive..."

    fuck insurance!

    I really want to jump on the "Fuck insurance!" bandwagon but I just recently got prior auth for a drug that a month worth runs like 50% of my total premiums for a year. I feel obligated to say "Sometimes they don't fuck you.*"

    yes

    sometimes the abusive boyfriend doesn't hit you and says "you know i love you baby"

    fuck gendered marketing
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    All this transgender talk reminded me that Lana Wachowski really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    yeah, I mean. Dang.

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  • TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    All this transgender talk reminded me that Lana Wachowski really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    I'm pretty sure everyone really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
    twitch.tv/tehsloth
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Elldren wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I have no idea if insurance companies largely cover treatments for those ICD codes.

    It wouldn't surprise me if they usually don't.

    fuck insurance!

    it is my new mantra

    lots of insurance also starts going "hey, those amphetamines are expensive..."

    fuck insurance!

    I really want to jump on the "Fuck insurance!" bandwagon but I just recently got prior auth for a drug that a month worth runs like 50% of my total premiums for a year. I feel obligated to say "Sometimes they don't fuck you.*"

    yes

    sometimes the abusive boyfriend doesn't hit you and says "you know i love you baby"

    It could've been worse and besides we just can't do it differently, you know. Later it'll be better this is just a rough patch of us covering nothing.

  • Ravenhpltc24Ravenhpltc24 So Raven Registered User regular
    All this transgender talk reminded me that Lana Wachowski really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    Dunno man, they're pretty badass. And she has the cred of being an acclaimed director of successful sci-fi films to back it up.

    WIR_C-Lana-Wachowski.jpg

    (V) ( ;,,; ) (V)
  • CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    No one should have dreadlocks.

  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    that abc story is from the ap

    and 2011 ap style says

    "Transgender: Use the pronoun preferred by the individuals who have acquired the physical characteristics of the opposite sex or present themselves in a way that does not correspond with their sex at birth. If that preference is not expressed, use the pronoun consistent with the way the individuals live publicly.

    http://blog.cleveland.com/letters/2013/05/refer_to_transgender_entry_in.html

    so they fucked up

    NYTimes ran the same way. Must have been an editorial decision not to switch genders mid-story.

    They might be following the historical model for talking about a transgendered person from before the transition. Are all the instances if "he" in past tense sentences? Like:

    "Bradley Manning leaked documents when he was a soldier. She now faces up to 35 years in jail."

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    TehSloth wrote: »
    All this transgender talk reminded me that Lana Wachowski really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    I'm pretty sure everyone really needs to not have bright pink dreadlocks.

    Bah. Dreadlocks are frequently cute.

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
  • TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    Re: lana wachowski and pink dreadlocks

    something something personal pronoun something something gyal

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
    twitch.tv/tehsloth
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