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[Star Wars X-Wing] Wave 7 and New Core in stores! PA Vassal League Season 3 now forming!

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2015
    Decided to snap some shots of my army navy while I was opening the new boxes;
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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    So, Poe is pretty good. Toss a R5-P9, Shield Upgrade, and Predator on him and you have a pretty powerful, durable ship, at a kind of expensive 41 points. He makes a good main threat though. Maneuverable enough to stay on target and hard to kill unless they focus on him.

    The new TIE/fo isn't bad, the new dial is nice, as is the extra shield (avoiding crits on the first hit is nice). I think this will really depend on what tech pieces come out to replace TIE swarms. Will be worth using if you find yourself with ~15 points leftover though.

    Annoyingly you only get one of the single tech card per core set, I would have much rather had 2 of the tech than ANOTHER proton torpedo.

  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    Someone posted a to-scale Star Destroyer on the facebook group;

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Might also try looking at Barnes and Nobles book stores if you have one around. I grabbed a new starter from there earlier today. Also the new Star Wars book set after RotJ.

    Or do what crimsoncoyote said and wait for it's official release so you can get it from a website for less.

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    I see that picture and immediately think "RUN AWAY!"

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    I see that picture and immediately think "RUN AWAY!"

    Actually I thought "Our shields can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Not pictured: The 300 rebel fighters used to balance out the point costs. Just bring all B-Wings and you should be fine, right?

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    Huh.

    All I can think is, "torpedo the shield generators."

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Morkath wrote: »
    Not pictured: The 300 rebel fighters used to balance out the point costs. Just bring all B-Wings and you should be fine, right?

    Or just one A-Wing.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Morkath wrote: »
    Not pictured: The 300 rebel fighters used to balance out the point costs. Just bring all B-Wings and you should be fine, right?

    Up until the TIEs show up and reduce your B-wings to fine powder.

    Ringo wrote: »
    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    There's a stream of the NOVA Open, which is where that photo of the Star Destroyer was taken.

  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    managed to get the new starter kit! Check your Barnes and Nobles..es, they had a bunch

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against the Irish) Registered User regular
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    There's a stream of the NOVA Open, which is where that photo of the Star Destroyer was taken.

    I was going to say, that looks a lot like NoVa.

  • DaMoonRulzDaMoonRulz Mare ImbriumRegistered User regular
    Huh.

    Guess I always thought the Nebulon-B was bigger than that. How about the Mon Cal Cruiser compared to the Star Destroyer?

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited September 2015
    There's a very brief shot in Jedi where you see a Nebulon-B trading broadsides at extremely close range with a Star Destroyer. Its engine section looks to be about the same height (a little taller) than the middle groove section in the side of the Star Destroyer. I'd say if anything it's a little smaller than the photo above.

    Link

    On the other hand, the corvette in the foreground of that Jedi clip has some grievous scale problems -- it's like the size of the Falcon -- so eh. There's also a shot of the Falcon docked to a frigate at the end of Empire.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    The Corvette isn't all that far off.
    Remember A New Hope?
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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    T-70 impressions:

    man this thing is aggressively priced compared to the original x-wing. for three points more you get boost, an extra shield, and a new tech slot, and a better dial

    considering there was no way to fit five x-wings in a list with the vanilla version either, you're not really losing a whole lot for that tradeoff, either.

    the downside, if any exists, is a lack of named pilots, so far - the x-wing's never been really good, stat-line-wise, but some good pilot abilities really buoy it, especially back when there were fewer great ships to compare it to. There's just not the sheer breadth of having six ace pilots here, yet. Poe's got a pretty good ability, but you've got to hold on to your focus, and since he's acting so early in the turn it might not do much for you. Blue Ace is also good but pretty unexciting when compared to her original x-wing counterpart (Biggs).

    Overall, I think this ship is going to live or die depending on how good the Tech upgrades turn out to be/how well they gel with Astromechs. I don't think there's anything hugely impressive you can do with this ship at the moment, but there's definitely the potential for it to turn into something stronger.

    (I also kinda think if we ever get that T-65 upgrade it might just be a three-point title that turns it into the new X, but then they'd have to give it a new dial too? Maybe not.)

    Side note: Wired is an absurdly good second elite talent to give Tycho, like, sheesh

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  • antheremantherem Registered User regular
    mfw you get three ships in the Episode 7 core set, every ship in the set has a tech slot, and you get one copy of one tech card

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2015
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    T-70 impressions:

    man this thing is aggressively priced compared to the original x-wing. for three points more you get boost, an extra shield, and a new tech slot, and a better dial

    considering there was no way to fit five x-wings in a list with the vanilla version either, you're not really losing a whole lot for that tradeoff, either.

    the downside, if any exists, is a lack of named pilots, so far - the x-wing's never been really good, stat-line-wise, but some good pilot abilities really buoy it, especially back when there were fewer great ships to compare it to. There's just not the sheer breadth of having six ace pilots here, yet. Poe's got a pretty good ability, but you've got to hold on to your focus, and since he's acting so early in the turn it might not do much for you. Blue Ace is also good but pretty unexciting when compared to her original x-wing counterpart (Biggs).

    Overall, I think this ship is going to live or die depending on how good the Tech upgrades turn out to be/how well they gel with Astromechs. I don't think there's anything hugely impressive you can do with this ship at the moment, but there's definitely the potential for it to turn into something stronger.

    (I also kinda think if we ever get that T-65 upgrade it might just be a three-point title that turns it into the new X, but then they'd have to give it a new dial too? Maybe not.)

    Side note: Wired is an absurdly good second elite talent to give Tycho, like, sheesh

    R5-P9 on Poe. You get to flip a free hit, evade (on every attack against you that turn), and get a shield back every turn. Chances are slim on ever needing to burn the focus to flip both dice on defense so you will likely always be able to use it to get the shield back.

    I agree otherwise though, it's a really solid ship, just nothing exceptional about it. I am guessing they were mostly going for a solid ship that you could toss a couple in with whatever your other big hitter is, to try and get past the 2 ship meta.

    e:
    It does really showcase how bad the original X-wing is, you are getting 7+ (I'm not sure how to quantify the improved dial point wise, 3-5 more points?) points worth of upgrades for 3 points.

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  • [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Guess who has two thumbs and a brand spanking new Imperial Raider to kick some Rebel ass.

    This guy!
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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    Morkath wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    T-70 impressions:

    man this thing is aggressively priced compared to the original x-wing. for three points more you get boost, an extra shield, and a new tech slot, and a better dial

    considering there was no way to fit five x-wings in a list with the vanilla version either, you're not really losing a whole lot for that tradeoff, either.

    the downside, if any exists, is a lack of named pilots, so far - the x-wing's never been really good, stat-line-wise, but some good pilot abilities really buoy it, especially back when there were fewer great ships to compare it to. There's just not the sheer breadth of having six ace pilots here, yet. Poe's got a pretty good ability, but you've got to hold on to your focus, and since he's acting so early in the turn it might not do much for you. Blue Ace is also good but pretty unexciting when compared to her original x-wing counterpart (Biggs).

    Overall, I think this ship is going to live or die depending on how good the Tech upgrades turn out to be/how well they gel with Astromechs. I don't think there's anything hugely impressive you can do with this ship at the moment, but there's definitely the potential for it to turn into something stronger.

    (I also kinda think if we ever get that T-65 upgrade it might just be a three-point title that turns it into the new X, but then they'd have to give it a new dial too? Maybe not.)

    Side note: Wired is an absurdly good second elite talent to give Tycho, like, sheesh

    R5-P9 on Poe. You get to flip a free hit, evade (on every attack against you that turn), and get a shield back every turn. Chances are slim on ever needing to burn the focus to flip both dice on defense so you will likely always be able to use it to get the shield back.

    I agree otherwise though, it's a really solid ship, just nothing exceptional about it. I am guessing they were mostly going for a solid ship that you could toss a couple in with whatever your other big hitter is, to try and get past the 2 ship meta.

    e:
    It does really showcase how bad the original X-wing is, you are getting 7+ (I'm not sure how to quantify the improved dial point wise, 3-5 more points?) points worth of upgrades for 3 points.

    ok that's a really good combination for Poe, like, dang

    it's kind of crazy the price difference between the two, and I hope they've got something planned that will keep the old X-wing relevant, they managed to make the A-wing competitive, so hopefully?

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Rogue Squadron
    X-Wing and Unique Pilots only. Title.

    If you equip an Astromech and Proton Torpedo, their squad point costs are reduced by 3 each (to a minimum of 0).

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2015
    Anyone done any 3d printing to make some of the ships that FFG doesn't make?

    Kind of want to get into it, but wanted to get recommendations on a printer if possible.

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  • mightyspacepopemightyspacepope Registered User regular
    Morkath wrote: »
    Anyone done any 3d printing to make some of the ships that FFG doesn't make?

    Kind of want to get into it, but wanted to get recommendations on a printer if possible.

    There are folks who design the models and put them up on Shapeways.

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Morkath wrote: »
    Anyone done any 3d printing to make some of the ships that FFG doesn't make?

    Kind of want to get into it, but wanted to get recommendations on a printer if possible.

    There are folks who design the models and put them up on Shapeways.

    Yeah, I want to mess around with the printer too though. :)

  • D0rkAnglD0rkAngl Lynnwood, WARegistered User regular
    I have a couple of starter sets that I bought because I really want to play this, but I don't know anyone nearby that plays. :sad:

    Probably keep buying them just for the minis, and maybe I'll go to mox or something and get my butt kicked one day.

  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    D0rkAngl wrote: »
    I have a couple of starter sets that I bought because I really want to play this, but I don't know anyone nearby that plays. :sad:

    Probably keep buying them just for the minis, and maybe I'll go to mox or something and get my butt kicked one day.

    Good news! I have been running an online Vassal league around the forums, so when you have enough ships (and when I stop being crazy busy with trips and moving), you are more than welcome to join.

    Still a few weeks left until I'm able to throw something together, but it will happen.

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2015
    How do you play x-wing online?

    e:
    Ah Vassal is generic boardgame software, got it.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    D0rkAngl wrote: »
    I have a couple of starter sets that I bought because I really want to play this, but I don't know anyone nearby that plays. :sad:

    Probably keep buying them just for the minis, and maybe I'll go to mox or something and get my butt kicked one day.

    Good news! I have been running an online Vassal league around the forums, so when you have enough ships (and when I stop being crazy busy with trips and moving), you are more than welcome to join.

    Still a few weeks left until I'm able to throw something together, but it will happen.

    Looking forward to the winter league!

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    Played some interesting matches at a Labor Day tournament with ~40 players.

    I brought two Gamma Squadron pilots loaded up with plasma torpedos, proton rockets, extra munitions, and Ion Engine Mk. II. Totaling up at 27 points each and escorted by Col. Vessery with a heavy laser cannon & cluster missiles.

    First match I smoked a mixed squadron of new and old X-wings; Biggs, Wedge, & Poe. My opponent made some un/fortunate choices with Biggs & Wedge, resulting in the destruction of both before either fired a shot. All by himself, Poe with R5-P9 was still a pain to finish off.

    Second match I faced off against a squadron of scummy Y-wings armed with twin laser turrets. Picked off one quite easily with plasma torps. I didn't prioritize Kavil quite early enough and eventually lost, but I feel pretty good about how I played this one. Close match. Definitely a few things I could've done better. TLTs seem kinda braindead to fly, but they are much more fun to fly against than the popular big turrets.

    Third match I flew against Bossk & IG-88B. I made a lot of really silly pants-on-head mistakes. My opponent made some really good plays using Bossk to block and disrupt my formation in really inconvenient ways. He took out the Gammas with alacrity. Vessery held his own for a while, but y'know.



    Impressions;

    Twin Ion Engine Mk. II is pretty incredible on the TIE Bomber, though finding the right munitions mix is still a bit tricky. Plasma torpedoes are excellent at the price and perfect for sniping TLT Y-wings. The Proton Rockets did good work too, but I don't think the TIE Bomber is durable enough to support a 27 point build. It's a conundrum.

    Pilot skill bids are now really important down at the low end, since Twin Laser squadrons consist largely of Ps2 ships, and sacrifice a significant portion of their firepower if they want to go higher than that.

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  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    Winter Is Coming... And So Will The Suicide Squadron.

    My brother is going to buy me some X-Wing stuff for my birthday in November (Sounds like Ghosts but who knows) and then I'm going to do the Secret Santa here and hope for some nice cards and ships to add to my arsenal of Living Challenged Pilots who will bring Victory to the Empire.

    Hopefully I won't be out classed when the League starts as I haven't bought anything since last season and I'm currently saving for a nice camera and video editing software so I can do a YouTube series on Table Top Roleplaying Advice real soon.

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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/10/fight-a-bigger-battle/

    Tee-seventy and Tie/fooooo have been added to the next set of releases

    I can't believe they're still trying to push advanced proton torpedoes

    on the plus side: new astromech and a backwards-compatible x-wing upgrade that makes astromechs slightly better in general. Although the mod slot is kind of important on older x-wings. hmm.

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    not so many upgrades on the black tie, but it's got a bunch more pilots and some good stuff

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    I'm getting the feeling no pilots in the upcoming film have names except for Poe. Just a hunch.

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2015
    At least the integrated astromech is 0 points? I dunno, at first glance that doesn't seem like something I would be jumping at to take. I don't think that is really going to do anything to make the original X-wing worth using.

    The t-70 pack doesn't really jump out to me as something I need to buy since I already have the core versions.

    The tie/fo naming convention is kind of bad/confusing. "Zeta Ace", "Zeta Leader", etc. Have to see what the other pilots do to see if they are worth it.

    Juke looks interesting, probably work well with Vader and the ATC.

    e: So far the tech slot is looking pretty meh.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    I think the tech slot is amaaaaaaaaaaazing, but subtle.

    Comm Relay is legit incredible. You know how every single game you take that first-round action and it's a focus which goes away without doing anything? Now it's a hull upgrade. One which might even turn into more Hull Upgrades over the course of a game. I'm envisioning the silly antics you can make happen with PS1 TIEfo blockers...
    It even works for the rebel side of things, if you happen to have Jan Ors along for the ride as crew somewhere.

    Weapons Guidance is a bit more understated, but if you sit down and run the numbers it is really really efficient.

    Integrated Astromech is more subtle still. I don't think it's going to bring Rookie X-wing pilots back to the table, but it hits the sweetspot on midrange X-wing pilots that like to bring a simple R2 Astromech. Again, it's at least a Hull Upgrade for 1 point - with the chance to be even better if you can discard an inopportune critical hit.



    More Wave 7 thoughts after a dozen games:
    I've found the Hound's Tooth to be really hard to cope with. It is an excellent ship.

    The Kihraxz is extremely dangerous and effective - it hits hard and has an amazingly good dial. It is a little bit squishy and will generally die to focus fire.

    TIE Punisher sweetspot is probably the Black Eight Squadron Pilot. Deathrain is fun but unnecessary. Redline demands more experimentation - simply popping off a doubly target-locked Plasma Torpedo proved moderately effective, but not effective enough to really justify the investment - and anyway people will tend to focus fire him hard. I'm going to try a few other things with him.

    The K-wing is underperforming a bit so far. It's not quite good enough at arc-dodging to drop bombs on things without getting shot in turn. I have yet to try Ion Turret shenanigans though - could be effective.

    TIE Bomber sweetspot is probably 24 points. I have been consistently able to fire off at least two munitions over the course of a game against everything except Super Dash.


    Played a game tonight against four Y-wings with Twin Laser Turrets, which is sort've the bogieman of the current metagame.
    I can tell you that it is definitely not an overpowered list. I made a goofy maneuver mistake which prevented Redline from getting any shots in the opening salvo, which cost me the game.
    But it was very, very close.
    This is a match that you should usually be able to win through smart maneuvering - unless you are flying a Decimator or a Falcon with just one other ship.


    Basically Wave 7 is awwwwesome. The game is in a great place right now. Hope it lasts!

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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/c7/e7/c7e7ed30-d3c2-4bab-a550-6b0ca7ef1287/omega-leader.png

    y'know, I initially dismissed this pilot, but does the wording mean all of your ships get the bonus from Omega Leader's target lock? "You" is kinda vague but as the new Howlrunner equivalent, it seems like they should have a squad leader ability.

    which...that's pretty good against single targets, if so!

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    "You" generally means the ship, not the player, so it only affects Omega Leader.

    EDIT: There isn't a consistent way to read it the way you're proposing. Either "ship that you have locked" refers to any ship locked by the player, or "attacking you or defending against your attacks" refers to attacks against / from Omega Leader. Not one way in the first part of the sentence, another way in the second.

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2015
    It only affects Omega leader.

    "your attacks" is the key word. It uses Enemy ships pluraly, to account for outside sources giving you multiple target locks or allowing you to use their target locks.

    If it affected them no matter what, it would say "cannot modify any dice when attacking or defending."

    e:
    Etahn is an example of one that affects everyone.
    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/xwing-miniatures/images/d/dc/Etahn-abaht.png/revision/latest?cb=20140208142724

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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    I've been watching the Clone Wars 3D show off and on on Netflix. I came across a YV-666 in the show and mannnnnnnn

    I really want the wave 7 stuff (and the Raider), but I don't really have anywhere to put my current ships, let alone new ones.

    (I'm also strongly considering a Disney XD subscription to watch Rebels)

    EDIT: Oh yeah! I set a reminder in my phone to post a new league signup, so look for that late next week.

    crimsoncoyote on
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Rebels is so good, @crimsoncoyote ... So. Good.

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  • Ken OKen O Registered User regular
    Season 1 of Rebels went on sale like 2 weeks ago if you need to catch up.

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