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Talk about movies. Don't use the word "pretentious."

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Geth, the word "pretentious" is now forbidden

  • GethGeth Legion Perseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
    Affirmative Jacobkosh. "pretentious" is forbidden in this thread.

  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    What about "portentous"?

    I watched Half Nelson a couple of days ago. It was alright. I remember people saying how great Gosling was in it. He wasn't bad, but I wasn't exactly blown away.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    @Andy Joe
    The Searchers:

    Interesting to compare this with the other really famous latter-day John Wayne film True Grit. Both portray Wayne's character as jaded and cynical, but True Grit plays it mostly for laughs and this movie goes much darker, even using it to examine racism (in 1956!).

    The movie doesn't do enough to make it feel like several years have gone by, and the conclusion, with the Comanche band just showing up practically at the doorstep again, is a bit too big of a coincidence to swallow comfortably.

    Ethan isn't so much jaded and cynical but bitter and hate filled having very little of his humanity left. His whole quest is driven by a pair of hates. His racism is so extreme that he's going to kill his own niece because of her taint. And his much more personal hatred of Scar driven by his love of Martha and Scar's rape of her. Even at the end of the film, when he shows that he hasn't completely lost his humanity, the film makes clear that he can never rejoin society. He's left outside as the camera pulls back, the audience moving with the settlers representing civilization while he can not cross the threshold of the door to rejoin us.

  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Saw The World's End. Excellent from beginning to ... almost finish, every Edgar Wright movie is now a master's thesis on cheeky foreshadowing, visual storytelling, and efficient scriptwriting. I would go: 1) Hot Fuzz, 2) Scott Pilgrim, 3) World's End, and 4) Shaun of the Dead but the space between these ranks is very very small and they're quite high compared to most other movies out there. As far as the ending,
    it's certainly a bit offputting. I don't mind that the World literally Ended, I just think King becoming a freedom fighter for Blanks is COMPLETELY out of nowhere and kind of unmotivated, hence uninspiring. It's also kind of super terrible that two out of the 5 were mulched and this doesn't really get dealt with in an appropriate fashion. It would have been nice if they were SET UP to be mulched, but they didn't actually manage it before they gave up on Earth completely.
    So yeah, the ending certainly will bother a good amount of people, but saying that, it's certainly NOT a movie ruiner, like certain other endings I could think of.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsdCGQbbd8k

    I watched Pi the other day. It was really good and creepy. My only wish is that it was longer (although being that it was Aronofsky's first movie, I can understand that it's only 90ish minutes or whatever).

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    Gim wrote: »
    What about "portentous"?

    I watched Half Nelson a couple of days ago. It was alright. I remember people saying how great Gosling was in it. He wasn't bad, but I wasn't exactly blown away.
    Half Nelson was good, but I just watched Lars and the Real Girl and am now crying.

    Gosliiiiing

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    A while ago I got the David Lean/Noel Coward Criterion pack. This weekend I watched Blithe Spirit for the first time and enjoyed it quite a bit. The film is dated especially in terms of its pacing, and it does have a tendency to repeat the same joke with slight variations a bit too often, but it's charming, witty and surprisingly biting. It's a slight movie, but it's the kind of movie that needs to be slight to work - it's a tart meringue, if there is such a thing.

    I suspect that Margaret Rutherford was born as a 50-going-on-80 woman, though. She's a hoot, mind you.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Saw Magic Magic. I'd heard it described as "realistic Evil Dead", which it more or less is. Bunch of kids vacationing in a faraway cabin, shit goes wrong. More in spoiler tags while trying to avoid actual story spoilers, but I feel just describing what "realistic Evil Dead" actually means is a sort of spoiler in and on itself.
    Basically, the movie is this really harrowing take on mental health issues. The main character is Alicia, going on a vacation to South America with her friend Sarah and a bunch of her friends she's never met. Very early on something happens that forces Sarah to go back to college for two days, leaving Alicia alone with a bunch of strangers in a strange place. They're not terrible people but a little bit on the immature and rowdy side.

    All this and a bunch of things that happen contribute to Alicia's mental health starting to deteriorate, and that's what the movie is all about. She's slowly slipping further and further into psychosis, but the people she's with don't really want to think about it beyond "she's a bit weird", despite her obviously getting less and less stable. It's only after she does something fairly drastic towards the end of the movie before the others start to contemplate getting her some help, but by then she's in full on mental breakdown mode and things end on a really depressing note.

    It should be noted that despite being a "realistic Evil Dead", people don't get murdered in increasingle comic booky ways. The mental breakdown of Alicia is much more, uh, "mundane", which really contributes to the horror of the situation.

    With these depressing realistic horror movies it's kind of difficult to recommend them because that basically amounts to "hey, go watch this movie and be bummed out for the rest of the day", but if that's your thing, Magic Magic is really well made one of those. Hell, I even remembered two of the characters' names. That usually doesn't happen with horror movies.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    I read that as Magic Mike is a realistic horror movie.

  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Saw Magic Magic. I'd heard it described as "realistic Evil Dead", which it more or less is. Bunch of kids vacationing in a faraway cabin, shit goes wrong. More in spoiler tags while trying to avoid actual story spoilers, but I feel just describing what "realistic Evil Dead" actually means is a sort of spoiler in and on itself.
    Basically, the movie is this really harrowing take on mental health issues. The main character is Alicia, going on a vacation to South America with her friend Sarah and a bunch of her friends she's never met. Very early on something happens that forces Sarah to go back to college for two days, leaving Alicia alone with a bunch of strangers in a strange place. They're not terrible people but a little bit on the immature and rowdy side.

    All this and a bunch of things that happen contribute to Alicia's mental health starting to deteriorate, and that's what the movie is all about. She's slowly slipping further and further into psychosis, but the people she's with don't really want to think about it beyond "she's a bit weird", despite her obviously getting less and less stable. It's only after she does something fairly drastic towards the end of the movie before the others start to contemplate getting her some help, but by then she's in full on mental breakdown mode and things end on a really depressing note.

    It should be noted that despite being a "realistic Evil Dead", people don't get murdered in increasingle comic booky ways. The mental breakdown of Alicia is much more, uh, "mundane", which really contributes to the horror of the situation.

    With these depressing realistic horror movies it's kind of difficult to recommend them because that basically amounts to "hey, go watch this movie and be bummed out for the rest of the day", but if that's your thing, Magic Magic is really well made one of those. Hell, I even remembered two of the characters' names. That usually doesn't happen with horror movies.

    Where did you go to get your hands on this? It's my understanding it's not getting a theatrical release.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Saw Magic Magic. I'd heard it described as "realistic Evil Dead", which it more or less is. Bunch of kids vacationing in a faraway cabin, shit goes wrong. More in spoiler tags while trying to avoid actual story spoilers, but I feel just describing what "realistic Evil Dead" actually means is a sort of spoiler in and on itself.
    Basically, the movie is this really harrowing take on mental health issues. The main character is Alicia, going on a vacation to South America with her friend Sarah and a bunch of her friends she's never met. Very early on something happens that forces Sarah to go back to college for two days, leaving Alicia alone with a bunch of strangers in a strange place. They're not terrible people but a little bit on the immature and rowdy side.

    All this and a bunch of things that happen contribute to Alicia's mental health starting to deteriorate, and that's what the movie is all about. She's slowly slipping further and further into psychosis, but the people she's with don't really want to think about it beyond "she's a bit weird", despite her obviously getting less and less stable. It's only after she does something fairly drastic towards the end of the movie before the others start to contemplate getting her some help, but by then she's in full on mental breakdown mode and things end on a really depressing note.

    It should be noted that despite being a "realistic Evil Dead", people don't get murdered in increasingle comic booky ways. The mental breakdown of Alicia is much more, uh, "mundane", which really contributes to the horror of the situation.

    With these depressing realistic horror movies it's kind of difficult to recommend them because that basically amounts to "hey, go watch this movie and be bummed out for the rest of the day", but if that's your thing, Magic Magic is really well made one of those. Hell, I even remembered two of the characters' names. That usually doesn't happen with horror movies.

    Where did you go to get your hands on this? It's my understanding it's not getting a theatrical release.

    Rented it from the online rentery of the TV box that my ISP sent me.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    I read that as Magic Mike is a realistic horror movie.

    The law says you cannot kill that virgin but I see a lot of lawbreakers up in this haunted house, alright alright alright.

  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited September 2013
    (From the previous thread, courtesy of @jungleroomx)
    Some guy on Cracked, a website I usually love reading, just said The Dark Knight Rises is the new low point for the Batman franchise.

    I guess if you pretend 90% of the Batman material never happened.
    I agree with the "MOAR CLIX"-type headline, but from what I remember of the Kilmer and Clooney movies... they may have been ill-timed, goofy, and had too much neon, but they didn't have plot holes you could fly a Batmobile through.

    It's odd; I liked the actors in the recent trilogy, but the stories were not that great.

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  • JuliusJulius Captain of Serenity on my shipRegistered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    (From the previous thread, courtesy of @jungleroomx)
    Some guy on Cracked, a website I usually love reading, just said The Dark Knight Rises is the new low point for the Batman franchise.

    I guess if you pretend 90% of the Batman material never happened.
    I agree with the "MOAR CLIX"-type headline, but from what I remember of the Kilmer and Clooney movies... they may have been ill-timed, goofy, and had too much neon, but they didn't have plot holes you could fly a Batmobile through.

    It's odd; I liked the actors in the recent trilogy, but the stories were not that great.

    Hell, the Tim Burton ones are basically as goofy and silly as the others and the only reason to think they were any more serious is because there was no neon. It was silly comic-fun with nonsensical stuff happening all the damn time but at least it didn't pretend to be anything more.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2013
    ok im watching gi joe retalation

    i am fully prepared for my butt to be exploderated

    edit: OMG I CAN SEE THE ROCK THIS FILM IS LOOKNG GOOD ALREADY

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    ok im watching gi joe retalation

    i am fully prepared for my butt to be exploderated

    edit: OMG I CAN SEE THE ROCK THIS FILM IS LOOKNG GOOD ALREADY

    Dwayne Johnson is not quite as effective as he used to be in tricking me into seeing bad movies. But he's still pretty good.

    Caught 1408 on cable last week--it may be because I'm a total wuss when it comes to any kind of horror in films (though I don't find Alien scary), but I enjoyed it much more than I do most psychological horror stuff. Great back-and-forth between Cusack and Jackson ("It's an evil fucking room!"), and Cusack by himself was entertaining.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    omg its rza! playing a japanese master dude initiating people into "the gi joes"!

    ok this shits legit, i give it a pass

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    the dudes bike fires machine guns then it fires rockets then it does a sick wheelie then it disassembles and all the bits of the bike are missiles too and EXPLOSIONS

    LOL

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  • McFodderMcFodder Registered User regular
    On Cabin in the Woods sequel talk:
    Immediately after an early preview screening with fan Q&A, the first question Director Drew Goddard was asked was, "Will there be a sequel?" To which he responded, "Have you seen the ending to my movie?"

    Thought it was a good response.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Considering how hard it was to get that movie out in the first place, I don't think they would do a sequel even if they wanted to.

  • furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    Considering how hard it was to get that movie out in the first place, I don't think they would do a sequel even if they wanted to.

    I cannot fathom a way for them to make a sequel that did not completely undermine the entire point/statement made by the first.

    I would be way more interested in seeing the same genre deconstruction and reconstruction aimed at other genres. Although how it could be done, or if for that matter, is another question entirely.

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited September 2013
    Watched Elysium over the weekend.

    It was some decent action scenes, villains so monstrously and moronically EVIL that there was no possible way of them winning even if the hero did nothing (and he didn't actually do much), and a political message with all the subtly of a brick, yet without any actual teeth. Matt Damon being the only white person in all of LA aside, Jodie Foster and Sharlto Copley were the real disappointments. Foster's character was awful, and she didn't do anything to improve it, and Copley's character bounced wildly from charming bad guy crazy (mostly when he wasn't talking and just giving people the finger while he blew them up) to painful to have on screen (any time he tried to deliver some "crazy" monologue).

    If this movie had been made 20 years ago then Paul Verhoeven would have directed it, and it would have been amazing.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Julius wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    (From the previous thread, courtesy of @jungleroomx)
    Some guy on Cracked, a website I usually love reading, just said The Dark Knight Rises is the new low point for the Batman franchise.

    I guess if you pretend 90% of the Batman material never happened.
    I agree with the "MOAR CLIX"-type headline, but from what I remember of the Kilmer and Clooney movies... they may have been ill-timed, goofy, and had too much neon, but they didn't have plot holes you could fly a Batmobile through.

    It's odd; I liked the actors in the recent trilogy, but the stories were not that great.

    Hell, the Tim Burton ones are basically as goofy and silly as the others and the only reason to think they were any more serious is because there was no neon. It was silly comic-fun with nonsensical stuff happening all the damn time but at least it didn't pretend to be anything more.

    I have to agree to that. When Batman and Robin dodge bullets in B&R its almost believable because the thugs are shooting at them with Neon light Tommy guns while wearing dayglo makeup. You already know seriousness is out the window and realism is a dot on the horizon.

    When the Cops survive their open long distance charge long enough to engage Bane's thugs in hand to hand combat at the end of DKR its ridiculous, because they paint the thugs as realistic criminals with AK-47s. You can't turn realism on and off in a movie like DKR did and not leave the audience in the lurch. Decide which you want and stick with it. In DKR case lots of dead cops and Bane triumphant.

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    Yeah I really hated that police charge.
    Big WTF moment, I was expecting a ploy by Batman but it wad just dumb.

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  • TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    Page- wrote: »
    Watched Elysium over the weekend.



    It was some decent action scenes, villains so monstrously and moronically EVIL that there was no possible way of them winning even if the hero did nothing (and he didn't actually do much), and a political message with all the subtly of a brick, yet without any actual teeth. Matt Damon being the only white person in all of LA aside, Jodie Foster and Sharlto Copley were the real disappointments. Foster's character was awful, and she didn't do anything to improve it, and Copley's character bounced wildly from charming bad guy crazy (mostly when he wasn't talking and just giving people the finger while he blew them up) to painful to have on screen (any time he tried to deliver some "crazy" monologue).

    If this movie had been made 20 years ago then Paul Verhoeven would have directed it, and it would have been amazing.

    The violence in "Elysium" did remind me of "Robocop".

  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Julius wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    (From the previous thread, courtesy of @jungleroomx)
    Some guy on Cracked, a website I usually love reading, just said The Dark Knight Rises is the new low point for the Batman franchise.

    I guess if you pretend 90% of the Batman material never happened.
    I agree with the "MOAR CLIX"-type headline, but from what I remember of the Kilmer and Clooney movies... they may have been ill-timed, goofy, and had too much neon, but they didn't have plot holes you could fly a Batmobile through.

    It's odd; I liked the actors in the recent trilogy, but the stories were not that great.

    Hell, the Tim Burton ones are basically as goofy and silly as the others and the only reason to think they were any more serious is because there was no neon. It was silly comic-fun with nonsensical stuff happening all the damn time but at least it didn't pretend to be anything more.

    I have to agree to that. When Batman and Robin dodge bullets in B&R its almost believable because the thugs are shooting at them with Neon light Tommy guns while wearing dayglo makeup. You already know seriousness is out the window and realism is a dot on the horizon.

    When the Cops survive their open long distance charge long enough to engage Bane's thugs in hand to hand combat at the end of DKR its ridiculous, because they paint the thugs as realistic criminals with AK-47s. You can't turn realism on and off in a movie like DKR did and not leave the audience in the lurch. Decide which you want and stick with it. In DKR case lots of dead cops and Bane triumphant.

    That scene in DKR could have been easily fixed if they just had Batman launch some smoke grenades and flashbangs into Bane's army. Adding a lot of smoke would have also helped to obscure how terribly choreographed the extras were.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I have been reminded of Outland by an article on the AV Club. It's an excellent, low key SF version of High Noon starring Sean Connery, but I can't remember the last time I saw it anywhere near TV.

  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    It's on Netflix instant, Bogart.

    At least, it is here in the states.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    It's on Netflix instant, Bogart.

    At least, it is here in the states.

    Netflix here has a much reduced library, and no way of searching it that I know of. But US folks should watch it.

  • JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    Ticaldfjam wrote: »
    Page- wrote: »
    Watched Elysium over the weekend.



    It was some decent action scenes, villains so monstrously and moronically EVIL that there was no possible way of them winning even if the hero did nothing (and he didn't actually do much), and a political message with all the subtly of a brick, yet without any actual teeth. Matt Damon being the only white person in all of LA aside, Jodie Foster and Sharlto Copley were the real disappointments. Foster's character was awful, and she didn't do anything to improve it, and Copley's character bounced wildly from charming bad guy crazy (mostly when he wasn't talking and just giving people the finger while he blew them up) to painful to have on screen (any time he tried to deliver some "crazy" monologue).

    If this movie had been made 20 years ago then Paul Verhoeven would have directed it, and it would have been amazing.

    The violence in "Elysium" did remind me of "Robocop".

    So basically Neill Blomkamp is Paul Verhoeven 2.0

  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Watched some movies over the break with my wife, quick reviews of each:

    Dredd - Definately worth a watch -
    Low budget sci-fi film, that really made the most of it's limited budget. Acting talent could have been better (too many pauses in their speaking, don't Shatner it up so much!). As long as you go in expecting a low budget sci-fi action film, you'll have a great time. If you're expecting anything else, prepare to be disappointed.

    This would be a great movie to MST3K or to watch like Evil Dead, making fun of it and getting laughs for a repeat.

    Cloud Atlas - I'd take a pass -
    So, this movie is supposed to be about about six stories happening through various parts of man's history, and how they all tie together. There are a lot of problems with this concent including, but not limited to:

    1) It's difficult for most people to follow six different story lines simutaneously.
    2) This is compounded by use of strong accents. This made it difficult to understand what was being said at all during parts of the movie.
    3) They make very fast transitions between the time periods.

    The stories are supposed to be interconnected, but they really felt disjointed. Rather than using subtle ideas, the director chose to have repeated phrases and the commet birthmark tie the narratives together. This made me feel like I was being bludgeoned to remember that the narratives were supposed to tie together.

    Re-use of the same set of actors for almost every role grated on me as well. The makeup used to make the white male actors appear oriental harkens back to the days of blackface in the 60's and 70's. It just wasn't well executed.

    Overall, I kept expecting some grand narrative to come out of these seperate stories, but I don't feel like one ever came together. It felt like Lost, teasing me with something more, but never delivering.

    Safe - Strongly Recommended -
    A super smart chinese girl is kidnapped from her family and sent to America to work for Chinese Gangs as a living computer. Statham, an ex-cop and now cage fighter, runs into her after failing to take a dive and getting in trouble with the Russian mafia. The russians want the girl, the Chinese want the girl, the dirty cops want the girl, but she ends up running into Statham. Badassness ensues.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited September 2013
    If I was ever in a cinema or even a lounge watching Dredd and someone started doing that MST3K thing ten strong men would not be enough to keep me off them.

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    If I was ever in a cinema or even a lounge watching Dredd and someone started doing that MST3K thing ten strong men would not be enough to keep me off them.

    I have enough respect for others not to do that in a theater. However, since it's on netflix and I have my own domicile, I should think I can get away with it.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Heffling wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    If I was ever in a cinema or even a lounge watching Dredd and someone started doing that MST3K thing ten strong men would not be enough to keep me off them.

    I have enough respect for others not to do that in a theater. However, since it's on netflix and I have my own domicile, I should think I can get away with it.

    You'd think, but no.

    If I ever wander past your house and hear you MST3K-ing a movie, I will break your shit off. Shit will be going down.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Julius wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    (From the previous thread, courtesy of @jungleroomx)
    Some guy on Cracked, a website I usually love reading, just said The Dark Knight Rises is the new low point for the Batman franchise.

    I guess if you pretend 90% of the Batman material never happened.
    I agree with the "MOAR CLIX"-type headline, but from what I remember of the Kilmer and Clooney movies... they may have been ill-timed, goofy, and had too much neon, but they didn't have plot holes you could fly a Batmobile through.

    It's odd; I liked the actors in the recent trilogy, but the stories were not that great.

    Hell, the Tim Burton ones are basically as goofy and silly as the others and the only reason to think they were any more serious is because there was no neon. It was silly comic-fun with nonsensical stuff happening all the damn time but at least it didn't pretend to be anything more.

    I have to agree to that. When Batman and Robin dodge bullets in B&R its almost believable because the thugs are shooting at them with Neon light Tommy guns while wearing dayglo makeup. You already know seriousness is out the window and realism is a dot on the horizon.

    When the Cops survive their open long distance charge long enough to engage Bane's thugs in hand to hand combat at the end of DKR its ridiculous, because they paint the thugs as realistic criminals with AK-47s. You can't turn realism on and off in a movie like DKR did and not leave the audience in the lurch. Decide which you want and stick with it. In DKR case lots of dead cops and Bane triumphant.

    This is weird. You must have stumbled in here from an alternate universe in which Batman and Robin was not the most terrible thing ever. You should know that things are a little different in our universe, and that trying to defend B&R in any capacity will make you sound like a crazy person.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Joolander wrote: »
    Ticaldfjam wrote: »
    Page- wrote: »
    Watched Elysium over the weekend.



    It was some decent action scenes, villains so monstrously and moronically EVIL that there was no possible way of them winning even if the hero did nothing (and he didn't actually do much), and a political message with all the subtly of a brick, yet without any actual teeth. Matt Damon being the only white person in all of LA aside, Jodie Foster and Sharlto Copley were the real disappointments. Foster's character was awful, and she didn't do anything to improve it, and Copley's character bounced wildly from charming bad guy crazy (mostly when he wasn't talking and just giving people the finger while he blew them up) to painful to have on screen (any time he tried to deliver some "crazy" monologue).

    If this movie had been made 20 years ago then Paul Verhoeven would have directed it, and it would have been amazing.

    The violence in "Elysium" did remind me of "Robocop".

    So basically Neill Blomkamp is Paul Verhoeven 2.0

    I don't think it quite works. Blomkamp, from watching both his movies, has only the thinest veneer of a political message.

    It feels like he's not even really trying to tell one, he's just using it as a backdrop to tell a sci-fi story with lots of explosions.

  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
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    Watched Elysium over the weekend.



    It was some decent action scenes, villains so monstrously and moronically EVIL that there was no possible way of them winning even if the hero did nothing (and he didn't actually do much), and a political message with all the subtly of a brick, yet without any actual teeth. Matt Damon being the only white person in all of LA aside, Jodie Foster and Sharlto Copley were the real disappointments. Foster's character was awful, and she didn't do anything to improve it, and Copley's character bounced wildly from charming bad guy crazy (mostly when he wasn't talking and just giving people the finger while he blew them up) to painful to have on screen (any time he tried to deliver some "crazy" monologue).

    If this movie had been made 20 years ago then Paul Verhoeven would have directed it, and it would have been amazing.

    The violence in "Elysium" did remind me of "Robocop".

    So basically Neill Blomkamp is Paul Verhoeven 2.0

    I don't think it quite works. Blomkamp, from watching both his movies, has only the thinest veneer of a political message.

    It feels like he's not even really trying to tell one, he's just using it as a backdrop to tell a sci-fi story with lots of explosions.

    I probably don't fully understand Verhoeven's work, but I would say the same about it. Detroit rotting away, and being in almost complete anarchy, is such a perfect setting for a future (now current) story.
    Verhoeven uses political commentary as a backdrop to his sci-fi stories. Whereas I think Blomkompf uses a sci-fi story to transmit his political messages.

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