I am looking forward to getting stuck in a game, pushing it off to the side, pulling up IE, looking up what to do, then going back to the game.
Yes, I could do it all using my laptop or phone before, but now I can do it all on the same screen.
I *think* the dead rising people are making a game guide app/page that you can snap on the side of the screen at any time, that is designed specifically for the snap size.
I hope all developers take that hint. Shit, imagine if Prima Guides wrote an app for each game that auto-flips to the appropriate section whenever you snap it in, with hotlinks to frequently visited tables/charts and bookmarks.
They would make so much money.
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I honestly believe that a lot of peoples opinions of the Xbone will change once they get some hands on time with it. There's a big difference between releasing Kinect as a peripheral and making it a key part of the system. There may not be any killer titles for Kinect yet but i really think MS are banking on the UI integration to be enough of a selling point for it. 2 more weeks and we'll find out if they are right.
I honestly believe that a lot of peoples opinions of the Xbone will change once they get some hands on time with it. There's a big difference between releasing Kinect as a peripheral and making it a key part of the system. There may not be any killer titles for Kinect yet but i really think MS are banking on the UI integration to be enough of a selling point for it. 2 more weeks and we'll find out if they are right.
It'll take longer than that, imo.
Also starting to realize that I probably won't be able to simply never connect the Kinect to use this properly. But I have no idea where I'll even put it in my setup either. so... blargh.
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Still a lot of features that aren't really beneficial/appealing to me or my family but its impressive seeing it all work together.
Apparently voice commands have gotten even more responsive than I've realized - I'll have to test some of that later tonight. When we first got the demo unit, you were generally best served by saying "Xbox," waiting for the acknowledgement that it was listening, and then saying your command - so:
"Xbox [wait for chime] Watch TV," rather than the
"Xbox watch TV"
shown here. We've continued to do that, though it seems that's no longer necessary. Time to recognition is approx .75-.8 seconds at this point, which is a significant improvement from where it was when we first got it.
Edit: It's also possible that watching a hell of a lot of Star Trek trained me to wait for an acknowledgement from the computer before issuing a command. I honestly don't think I've tried to just rattle off something like that.
I honestly believe that a lot of peoples opinions of the Xbone will change once they get some hands on time with it. There's a big difference between releasing Kinect as a peripheral and making it a key part of the system. There may not be any killer titles for Kinect yet but i really think MS are banking on the UI integration to be enough of a selling point for it. 2 more weeks and we'll find out if they are right.
It'll take longer than that, imo.
Also starting to realize that I probably won't be able to simply never connect the Kinect to use this properly. But I have no idea where I'll even put it in my setup either. so... blargh.
i'm not expecting an instantaneous reversal of opinion from people, but i do think that once they get their hands on it and once they've had the chance to explore and use the feature set, minds will change. the more MS show of the UI's Kinect intergration the more it seems that its something that has to be used/experienced rather than explained.
its always been clear that MS included the Kinect because they want it to be successful and packing it in is better than releasing a peripheral. but now its starting to look that it really is an integral part of the system which will enhance it rather than hinder.
again, we'll find out soon enough and of course peoples opinions will always vary, but i think the Kinect will win over people.
Looks really responsive - I'm a lot more impressed with the XB1 dash than what I've seen out of PS4 so far. The services/etc are what I spend a lot more time with these days and it looks like those are going to be really snappy and easy to control with voice/etc. Pretty psyched tbh.
Edit: It's also possible that watching a hell of a lot of Star Trek trained me to wait for an acknowledgement from the computer before issuing a command.
"Hello computer"
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
Wraith360: Dead Rising 3 seems to use it in lieu of "PRESS BUTTAN/WAGGLE JOYSTICK" if you're grappled. I suspect other games will too. Six in one, half dozen in another in terms of annoying things to do in games though.
Biggest hurdle it'll have to overcome with consumers is the price differential from its inclusion, imo. Seeing it in practice has made me warm to the idea of using it though.
Furiousjodo: I do like the new look of the dash, but 90% of the time I boot up my xbox 360 I only spend about a few seconds in the dash before going directly to the game I want to play (either in disk or the "recent" tile if it's an arcade.
I like Yusef's remark about how he's using green because he's "on brand" in that video (PS4 brand color is a shade of blue) :P
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Also starting to realize that I probably won't be able to simply never connect the Kinect to use this properly. But I have no idea where I'll even put it in my setup either. so... blargh.
the new kinect works from like, 4-5' away... how small is your gaming space?
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Also starting to realize that I probably won't be able to simply never connect the Kinect to use this properly. But I have no idea where I'll even put it in my setup either. so... blargh.
the new kinect works from like, 4-5' away... how small is your gaming space?
Pretty big. I'm just going to velcro it to the top of my television. Because that actually makes sense. o_o
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HOLY SHIT THAT SKYPE DEMO at 6:00
That is fucking awesome - gonna making chatting with the family on holidays when I am not home so easy
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Wraith360: Dead Rising 3 seems to use it in lieu of "PRESS BUTTAN/WAGGLE JOYSTICK" if you're grappled. I suspect other games will too. Six in one, half dozen in another in terms of annoying things to do in games though.
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yeah i've seen the use of it in Dead Rising 3 and i'm torn on that. not a huge fan of the 6-axis motion controls on the PS3, but they tend to be more extreme examples. if they can keep the motion control to smaller, subtler movements it might not be as bad.
Biggest hurdle it'll have to overcome with consumers is the price differential from its inclusion, imo. Seeing it in practice has made me warm to the idea of using it though.
yeah the price is still a major factor and i don't see that changing for a while, but that's largely down to people being convinced already that the Kinect is something they neither want nor need. i really think that's something that will change over time, possible over a relatively short period. as you say, your interest has risen from seeing it in use, now imaging having it and seeing that it works as promised. would that go some way, at least, to justify the extra cost to you? what about to others?
Sony's camera retails at $60 i believe. does it come close to parity with Kinect in regards to feature set/capability? ok, so again we come to the idea of choice, but it really does seem that the Kinect truly is an integral part of the system and not just an optional add-on. in time i think we may find that the extra $100 is actually warranted, though of course we'd all still like it to be cheaper.
so yeah, i'm really interested in getting some hands-on time with the Xbone and especially Kinect to see if it does work as shown and to see how everyone else feels about once they've had a chance to play about with it too.
Also starting to realize that I probably won't be able to simply never connect the Kinect to use this properly. But I have no idea where I'll even put it in my setup either. so... blargh.
the new kinect works from like, 4-5' away... how small is your gaming space?
Pretty big. I'm just going to velcro it to the top of my television. Because that actually makes sense. o_o
I just sort of assumed that's where it lived naturally. It hasn't got a little clip thingie to put it there? If not, I think I'm suddenly in the market for velcro myself...
the edges of my TV have like a lip to it in addition to it being thin (1/2") so I doubt the clip will fit properly. Wii bar never could unaided and it's smaller than a kinect. Velcro is cheap, and flexible... so maybe it'll work. Plus, I already have dry erase markers velcro'd to the frame anyway, what's another thing? (I use them to mark progress, edges of things when adjusting stuff in games/etc) :P
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Sony's camera retails at $60 i believe. does it come close to parity with Kinect in regards to feature set/capability?
Not really. Microsoft's Kinect does local processing, has a better sensor, has a microphone array that can pinpoint audio location in the room to a 5" area (basically your mouth/face), and has deep integration with everything the system does.
I feel like the PS4 camera is going to be better integrated than the eye toy was for sure (especially since it seems at the start of PS4 development they intended to bundle the camera but backed off of that), but Microsoft had a really good lab experiment with the Kinect 1 to see what works and what doesn't, and I fully expect the user experience to be far more refined as a result.
Kind of like how I fully expect the PS4 to have much better online this generation than they did the last, probsbly as good as the 360's, but the XBO will still be ahead of the game because of the lessons they have been continuously learning through each generation.
Watching that 12 min video, I fail to see how people can think that a controller is faster than the kinect will be, since I can jump straight from a finished multiplayer match to my DVR in less than a second without having to push a button, leave the game for the dash, or anything else. The experience looks flat out superior.
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yeah i kinda figured there's a function gap between the Kinect and Eye*, though not exactly to what extent and i think that's part of the problem now and what will changes peoples mind later. right now, i just think people either don't know what the Kinect is capable of doing or don't believe that it can actually do it. actually having the thing in front of you will hopefully change that.
*also the question was kinda rhetorical, more meant to highlight the fact that, no they aren't created equal.
Yeah, I don't know that the PS4 Eye Camera will be able to catch up to the Kinect with software alone. On top of that, MS has built the entire OS around it so there is a lot of functionality that will be easy for devs/etc to access without much work on their end.
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Yeah, I don't know that the PS4 Eye Camera will be able to catch up to the Kinect with software alone. On top of that, MS has built the entire OS around it so there is a lot of functionality that will be easy for devs/etc to access without much work on their end.
I am really sold with that ability to pause a game in the background.
What I see using that for is, lets say I know I am going to be playing Halo 5 with friends in an hour. I could turn on the console, load up Halo 5, get right into the matchmaking section, then just jump over to Netflix and watch some Avengers or something until I see the notification that a matchmaking request has been initiated. Without doing a damn thing aside from saying "xbox accept the invitation" I will be right into my game that is already loaded, and dropped into the lobby.
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Skype users on Xbox One will be able to place group video calls for free for a period of six months, so long as they are an Xbox Live Gold subscriber, Microsoft announced today.
Normally, Skype group video calls cost $5/month.
Also for six months, Xbox Live Gold subscribers will be able to place up to 100 minutes of worldwide minutes per month for calls to mobiles and landlines in over 50 countries. The offer must be redeemed through the Skype app on Xbox One by March 31, 2014 and is valid only in the console's 13 launch territories.
Yeah, I don't know that the PS4 Eye Camera will be able to catch up to the Kinect with software alone. On top of that, MS has built the entire OS around it so there is a lot of functionality that will be easy for devs/etc to access without much work on their end.
I don't think anybody is expecting the PS4 Camera to "catch up" with the Kinect, they are similar, but I think Sony is expecting a different (narrower) range of functionality from it as opposed to Microsoft's work with the Kinect. I don't think they can do anything to bring it up to par, since it's hardware, and I don't really expect that to be something that they will pursue. I think that the PS4 camera will be a gimmicky thing that may fall to the wayside, while Microsoft is invested in the Kinect (hence their $100 gamble), so we'll see if it pays off.
Skype users on Xbox One will be able to place group video calls for free for a period of six months, so long as they are an Xbox Live Gold subscriber, Microsoft announced today.
Normally, Skype group video calls cost $5/month.
Also for six months, Xbox Live Gold subscribers will be able to place up to 100 minutes of worldwide minutes per month for calls to mobiles and landlines in over 50 countries. The offer must be redeemed through the Skype app on Xbox One by March 31, 2014 and is valid only in the console's 13 launch territories.
but as with most things, Gold is required.
it's smart they have this offer up until the end of march, since titanfall is gonna sell a lotta xbones in march. I hope they do a bundle with a non-hideous console for titanfall. a bundle is a given, I just don't want some 'battle-scarred gunmetal' gimmicky console.
I think the Kinect stuff is neat, but completely unnecessary for my needs. And since they've said you don't need to hook it up at all I fully expect to be able to get a XBone sooner or later without one. Now whether that is an official bundle or GameStop/Local Game Store/Guy on CraigsList selling the console standalone for a lower price remains to be seen.
You're going to see fractured userbase no matter what MS intends with their "vision", and while switching between 5 things at once with my voice might be a cool novelty I really only need the console to play the games.
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I think the Kinect stuff is neat, but completely unnecessary for my needs. And since they've said you don't need to hook it up at all I fully expect to be able to get a XBone sooner or later without one. Now whether that is an official bundle or GameStop/Local Game Store/Guy on CraigsList selling the console standalone for a lower price remains to be seen.
You're going to see fractured userbase no matter what MS intends with their "vision", and while switching between 5 things at once with my voice might be a cool novelty I really only need the console to play the games.
The thing is, if the userbase is fractured because you decided to buy an incomplete console from an unofficial channel, they are not going to care about you, and the very small number of people in your situation.
If they decide to make a version without a kinect in the box, then it is on them. But thus far, Microsoft has seemed rather committed to the Kinect this goaround, and unless all the press I have been hearing is wrong (everyone, including people who were previously detractors, have been positive with it on use), I would be a little miffed at them for walking it back.
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yeah i really think that the people waiting for a Kinect-less box are going to be left disappointed. MS backed away from 'always online' when they realised people didn't want that, but they really do seem to be sticking with the Kinect.
I think the Kinect stuff is neat, but completely unnecessary for my needs. And since they've said you don't need to hook it up at all I fully expect to be able to get a XBone sooner or later without one. Now whether that is an official bundle or GameStop/Local Game Store/Guy on CraigsList selling the console standalone for a lower price remains to be seen.
You're going to see fractured userbase no matter what MS intends with their "vision", and while switching between 5 things at once with my voice might be a cool novelty I really only need the console to play the games.
In my opinion, the importance to users of including it is to have a baseline hardware level for developers. If it's not part of the base package, developers have to assume worst case that it's not available. Most will simply forgo the effort to include features for it (whether optional or otherwise). I don't see myself using it much either, but I want to see what they might come up with to make me want to use it.
The importance to Microsoft of including it is for advertising purposes. That's the reason for all the eye tracking/facial expression recognition/viewer counting they are doing.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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The importance to Microsoft of including it is for advertising purposes. That's the reason for all the eye tracking/facial expression recognition/viewer counting they are doing.
They have already fairly heavily stated that even though the capabilities are there, and it would be pretty awesome for advertisers to gleam that information, that the xbox one does not invade your privacy on that level.
Of course, we will know in a couple weeks when the XBO terms of service come out and someone decides to packet sniff the box's data connection to see what bits are being sent back and forth and with whom... but its more paranoia than reality at this moment until proven otherwise (which will be really easy to do once we have one).
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we'll find out soon enough and of course peoples opinions will always vary, but i think the Kinect will win over people.
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I want killer instinct but i think i'll wait for Ryse to get cheaper, same for fighter within if it works worth a damn
we'll find out soon enough and of course peoples opinions will always vary, but i think the Kinect will win over people.
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ManOHokuto: Xbox off.
Kinect: I'm sorry, ManOHokuto. I'm afraid I can't do that.
The importance to Microsoft of including it is for advertising purposes. That's the reason for all the eye tracking/facial expression recognition/viewer counting they are doing.
They have already fairly heavily stated that even though the capabilities are there, and it would be pretty awesome for advertisers to gleam that information, that the xbox one does not invade your privacy on that level.
Of course, we will know in a couple weeks when the XBO terms of service come out and someone decides to packet sniff the box's data connection to see what bits are being sent back and forth and with whom... but its more paranoia than reality at this moment until proven otherwise (which will be really easy to do once we have one).
Me overly cynical about corporate ethics? Never.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
yeah i really think that the people waiting for a Kinect-less box are going to be left disappointed. MS backed away from 'always online' when they realised people didn't want that, but they really do seem to be sticking with the Kinect.
The point is they've already backed away from the "Kinect is mandatory" stance as well, so instead of being able to say "look we sold 50 million XBones, ALL powered with the power of the powerful Kinect!" now they've set themselves up for a (possibly large) userbase that won't even have it hooked up or own one. I wouldn't be surprised to see a robust secondary market on eBay for just the Kinect 2.0 hardware come December/January.
So in essence they've already CREATED the"Kinect-less box" just by removing the stipulation that the machine needs it to operate. I'm interested to see how the machine handles not having it hooked up, like if it prompts or reminds you "this could be better with Kinect just fyi!".
well since a lot of the fluidity of menu control is provided via kinect, incliding voice stuff, I feel like most people will use it. they removed the requirements to use it because they were in backpedaling mode and decide to ditch anything giving them a bad name. the kinect requirements coupled with the NSA scandal, pretty much forced them into a corner. so they removed the requirement. I sincerely doubt anyone is going to drop $500 on the machine and leave the kinect in the box. it's being marketed pretty effectively as part of the xbone, not just an accessory. I feel like I wouldn't buy a kinect-less version even if they offered one.
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Buffalo head and flamethrower junk might be the greatest thing I have seen out of either of these new consoles. I laughed way too hard at that.
I guess that serious business stuff was the equivalent of putting douche rock in a Mass Effect commercial.
Apologies to anyone that likes said douche rock!
Crimson Dragon is a $20 game.
Henceforth known as Fawst rock.
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-xbox-ones-ui-may-have-sold-me-on-the-kinect-pack-in
obviously this will just be taken to mean that Kuchera's drinking the kool-aid and only the naysayers have access to the real truth.
Like a cult.
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Yes, I could do it all using my laptop or phone before, but now I can do it all on the same screen.
I *think* the dead rising people are making a game guide app/page that you can snap on the side of the screen at any time, that is designed specifically for the snap size.
I hope all developers take that hint. Shit, imagine if Prima Guides wrote an app for each game that auto-flips to the appropriate section whenever you snap it in, with hotlinks to frequently visited tables/charts and bookmarks.
They would make so much money.
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It'll take longer than that, imo.
Also starting to realize that I probably won't be able to simply never connect the Kinect to use this properly. But I have no idea where I'll even put it in my setup either. so... blargh.
Is there a video of it in play somewhere?
BTW, Giant Bomb plays 4 X1 games: Ryse, BF4, DR3 and Forza.
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Still a lot of features that aren't really beneficial/appealing to me or my family but its impressive seeing it all work together.
Apparently voice commands have gotten even more responsive than I've realized - I'll have to test some of that later tonight. When we first got the demo unit, you were generally best served by saying "Xbox," waiting for the acknowledgement that it was listening, and then saying your command - so:
"Xbox [wait for chime] Watch TV," rather than the
"Xbox watch TV"
shown here. We've continued to do that, though it seems that's no longer necessary. Time to recognition is approx .75-.8 seconds at this point, which is a significant improvement from where it was when we first got it.
Edit: It's also possible that watching a hell of a lot of Star Trek trained me to wait for an acknowledgement from the computer before issuing a command. I honestly don't think I've tried to just rattle off something like that.
i'm not expecting an instantaneous reversal of opinion from people, but i do think that once they get their hands on it and once they've had the chance to explore and use the feature set, minds will change. the more MS show of the UI's Kinect intergration the more it seems that its something that has to be used/experienced rather than explained.
its always been clear that MS included the Kinect because they want it to be successful and packing it in is better than releasing a peripheral. but now its starting to look that it really is an integral part of the system which will enhance it rather than hinder.
again, we'll find out soon enough and of course peoples opinions will always vary, but i think the Kinect will win over people.
"Hello computer"
Biggest hurdle it'll have to overcome with consumers is the price differential from its inclusion, imo. Seeing it in practice has made me warm to the idea of using it though.
Furiousjodo: I do like the new look of the dash, but 90% of the time I boot up my xbox 360 I only spend about a few seconds in the dash before going directly to the game I want to play (either in disk or the "recent" tile if it's an arcade.
I like Yusef's remark about how he's using green because he's "on brand" in that video (PS4 brand color is a shade of blue) :P
the new kinect works from like, 4-5' away... how small is your gaming space?
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Pretty big. I'm just going to velcro it to the top of my television. Because that actually makes sense. o_o
That is fucking awesome - gonna making chatting with the family on holidays when I am not home so easy
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it 260, but ISWYDT :P
yeah i've seen the use of it in Dead Rising 3 and i'm torn on that. not a huge fan of the 6-axis motion controls on the PS3, but they tend to be more extreme examples. if they can keep the motion control to smaller, subtler movements it might not be as bad.
yeah the price is still a major factor and i don't see that changing for a while, but that's largely down to people being convinced already that the Kinect is something they neither want nor need. i really think that's something that will change over time, possible over a relatively short period. as you say, your interest has risen from seeing it in use, now imaging having it and seeing that it works as promised. would that go some way, at least, to justify the extra cost to you? what about to others?
Sony's camera retails at $60 i believe. does it come close to parity with Kinect in regards to feature set/capability? ok, so again we come to the idea of choice, but it really does seem that the Kinect truly is an integral part of the system and not just an optional add-on. in time i think we may find that the extra $100 is actually warranted, though of course we'd all still like it to be cheaper.
so yeah, i'm really interested in getting some hands-on time with the Xbone and especially Kinect to see if it does work as shown and to see how everyone else feels about once they've had a chance to play about with it too.
I just sort of assumed that's where it lived naturally. It hasn't got a little clip thingie to put it there? If not, I think I'm suddenly in the market for velcro myself...
Not really. Microsoft's Kinect does local processing, has a better sensor, has a microphone array that can pinpoint audio location in the room to a 5" area (basically your mouth/face), and has deep integration with everything the system does.
I feel like the PS4 camera is going to be better integrated than the eye toy was for sure (especially since it seems at the start of PS4 development they intended to bundle the camera but backed off of that), but Microsoft had a really good lab experiment with the Kinect 1 to see what works and what doesn't, and I fully expect the user experience to be far more refined as a result.
Kind of like how I fully expect the PS4 to have much better online this generation than they did the last, probsbly as good as the 360's, but the XBO will still be ahead of the game because of the lessons they have been continuously learning through each generation.
Watching that 12 min video, I fail to see how people can think that a controller is faster than the kinect will be, since I can jump straight from a finished multiplayer match to my DVR in less than a second without having to push a button, leave the game for the dash, or anything else. The experience looks flat out superior.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
*also the question was kinda rhetorical, more meant to highlight the fact that, no they aren't created equal.
I am really sold with that ability to pause a game in the background.
What I see using that for is, lets say I know I am going to be playing Halo 5 with friends in an hour. I could turn on the console, load up Halo 5, get right into the matchmaking section, then just jump over to Netflix and watch some Avengers or something until I see the notification that a matchmaking request has been initiated. Without doing a damn thing aside from saying "xbox accept the invitation" I will be right into my game that is already loaded, and dropped into the lobby.
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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/skype-on-xbox-one-features-six-months-of-free-calling/1100-6416063/
but as with most things, Gold is required.
I don't think anybody is expecting the PS4 Camera to "catch up" with the Kinect, they are similar, but I think Sony is expecting a different (narrower) range of functionality from it as opposed to Microsoft's work with the Kinect. I don't think they can do anything to bring it up to par, since it's hardware, and I don't really expect that to be something that they will pursue. I think that the PS4 camera will be a gimmicky thing that may fall to the wayside, while Microsoft is invested in the Kinect (hence their $100 gamble), so we'll see if it pays off.
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it's smart they have this offer up until the end of march, since titanfall is gonna sell a lotta xbones in march. I hope they do a bundle with a non-hideous console for titanfall. a bundle is a given, I just don't want some 'battle-scarred gunmetal' gimmicky console.
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You're going to see fractured userbase no matter what MS intends with their "vision", and while switching between 5 things at once with my voice might be a cool novelty I really only need the console to play the games.
The thing is, if the userbase is fractured because you decided to buy an incomplete console from an unofficial channel, they are not going to care about you, and the very small number of people in your situation.
If they decide to make a version without a kinect in the box, then it is on them. But thus far, Microsoft has seemed rather committed to the Kinect this goaround, and unless all the press I have been hearing is wrong (everyone, including people who were previously detractors, have been positive with it on use), I would be a little miffed at them for walking it back.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
In my opinion, the importance to users of including it is to have a baseline hardware level for developers. If it's not part of the base package, developers have to assume worst case that it's not available. Most will simply forgo the effort to include features for it (whether optional or otherwise). I don't see myself using it much either, but I want to see what they might come up with to make me want to use it.
The importance to Microsoft of including it is for advertising purposes. That's the reason for all the eye tracking/facial expression recognition/viewer counting they are doing.
They have already fairly heavily stated that even though the capabilities are there, and it would be pretty awesome for advertisers to gleam that information, that the xbox one does not invade your privacy on that level.
Of course, we will know in a couple weeks when the XBO terms of service come out and someone decides to packet sniff the box's data connection to see what bits are being sent back and forth and with whom... but its more paranoia than reality at this moment until proven otherwise (which will be really easy to do once we have one).
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
we'll find out soon enough and of course peoples opinions will always vary, but i think the Kinect will win over people.
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I want killer instinct but i think i'll wait for Ryse to get cheaper, same for fighter within if it works worth a damn
we'll find out soon enough and of course peoples opinions will always vary, but i think the Kinect will win over people.
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I want killer instinct but i think i'll wait for Ryse to get cheaper, same for fighter within if it works worth a damn [/quote]
ManOHokuto: Xbox off.
Kinect: I'm sorry, ManOHokuto. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Me overly cynical about corporate ethics? Never.
The point is they've already backed away from the "Kinect is mandatory" stance as well, so instead of being able to say "look we sold 50 million XBones, ALL powered with the power of the powerful Kinect!" now they've set themselves up for a (possibly large) userbase that won't even have it hooked up or own one. I wouldn't be surprised to see a robust secondary market on eBay for just the Kinect 2.0 hardware come December/January.
So in essence they've already CREATED the"Kinect-less box" just by removing the stipulation that the machine needs it to operate. I'm interested to see how the machine handles not having it hooked up, like if it prompts or reminds you "this could be better with Kinect just fyi!".
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