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[Industry] And with strange fiscal quarters, even death is doomed.

StericaSterica YesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited September 2013 in Games and Technology
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Again.
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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    August NPD

    AUGUST US GAME SALES (August 4-August 31, 2013)
    OVERALL DOLLAR SALES
    Total retail sales: $521 (1%)
    Non-PC hardware: $90.8 million (-40%)
    Non-PC software: $293.4 (23%)
    Accessories: $136.7 (7%)
    Total software: $305 million (21%)

    TOP 10 GAMES FOR AUGUST 2013
    Title (Platforms) - Publisher
    1. Madden NFL 25 - (X360, PS3) - Electronic Arts
    2. Saints Row IV - (X360, PS3, PC) - Deep Silver
    3. Disney Infinity - (X360, Wii, PS3, Wii U, 3DS ) - Disney Interactive
    4. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - (X360, PS3, Wii U, PC) - Ubisoft
    5. Minecraft - (X360) - Microsoft
    6. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team - (3DS) - Nintendo
    7. NCAA Football 14 - (X360, PS3) - Electronic Arts
    8. PayDay 2 - (X360, PS3) - 505 Games
    9. Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn - (PS3, PC) - Square Enix
    10. Pikmin 3 - (Wii U) - Nintendo

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Yay! Pikmin made it!

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Are there any numbers yet for the American launch of the Wonderful 101? Because it seriously tanked in Japan and I am hoping it (somehow) managed to do better in the US.

    But what I really want to know: How is the console version of Diablo 3 doing? I heard it came out at number 3 in the UK, but I am really curious how it is doing because it will probably determine Blizzards future relationship with consoles.

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    AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    Gotta wait til next month for those numbers.

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    Ov3rchargeOv3rcharge R.I.P. Mass Effect You were dead to me for yearsRegistered User regular
    If a game parodying Japanese culture tanked in its home country then there is little hope for it here.

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    Raybies666Raybies666 Registered User regular
    Wooo! The thread is back. Has anyone seen preorder numbers for the 2ds? I don't have time to trawl the internet to find out.

    Man, if that thing doesn't fly off shelves on Pokemon day or sell bazillions by christmas, I'll be mighty surprised.

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    SagrothSagroth Registered User regular
    edited September 2013
    My god, the Xbox 360 version of Minecraft is STILL charting that well?

    Insane.

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    AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    I was surprised to see Saints row IV above Blacklist, but then I thought about it a bit.

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    CCSCCS Registered User regular
    Did we get any data for Wii U sales?

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Nintendo and Sony didn't give sales numbers for August.

    So, "bad" in other words. The price drop might change that, but don't hold your breath.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    I read the vita price drop elevated sales from 20k to around 30k. Not great in other words.

    Hopefully Sony have not left their move on dropping price too late.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    I can't believe Blacklist did that well

    It seems like there was virtually no hype or advertising for that game

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    NPD doesn't track PC sales right? I'm really suprised payday 2 did 8th place when they said a few days ago that it only sold ~300k physical copies (1.3M digital)

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Nintendo and Sony didn't give sales numbers for August.

    So, "bad" in other words. The price drop might change that, but don't hold your breath.

    I keep forgetting its voluntary. Did the Ouya company (do they just call themselves "Ouya" too or are they "Team Ouya"?) release any data? Because their first NPD month was really harsh for them too.

    I really hope the holiday season leads to a blowout of hardware sales. Imagine if after all this people just aren't interested.

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    SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Could Wonderful 101 see a port to other platforms? I gather the gesture commands can be input with the right analogue stick. It would be a shame to see it disappear with such dismal figures as it's meant to be great.

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    muninnmuninn Registered User regular
    Interesting to see PAYDAY2 doing so well as well. I guess it fills a particular niche right now.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Henroid wrote: »
    I really hope the holiday season leads to a blowout of hardware sales. Imagine if after all this people just aren't interested.
    I mean, it shouldn't be surprising that the current gen isn't selling right before the launch of new hardware, and the top seller IS next-gen hardware (for a handheld, anyways).

    Sales will pick up, for sure. Well, except for Wii U. I don't think $50 is enough to move systems, and Nintendoland would probably spur more people to buy a system than HD remakes. Wii U sales will have to increase a LITTLE, but Nintendo is going to be a laughingstock if the Wii U cannot beat the previous generation this holiday season. And they would deserve the derision, as they have utterly squandered their lead.

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    The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    I don't know if there's anything left for Nintendo to do, other than their standard game plan: release their games and carry on, with maybe another price drop or two. For customers, either you want one or you don't, and those who do are just waiting for the right magic games/price ratio. For developers, well they made their decision months/years/decades ago on whether they'll make games for it or not (how far back is directly related to your level of cynicism).

    Basically, they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't, and next to nothing is going to matter, barring some extreme event.

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited September 2013
    Pretty much. At this point I don't think Nintendo can really change gameplans all that much, so might as well just walk forward and weather a subpar generation again until either games reach critical mass or the next idea strikes. But at this point it does look like WiiU might be another Gamecube - great console, some great games, but not too many of them and not a lot of sales. A pity. Ah well. Still probably going to get one at some point in the future, though.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    I mean, Pikmin 3 cracked the top ten, so it's not completely terrible.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    And that's Pikmin

    Pikmin isn't some huge franchise

    So what does that mean? That when Mario hits, it'll get closer to the top?

    Or does it mean Wii U owners are just starved for pretty much anything first party?

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
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    Spaffy wrote: »
    Could Wonderful 101 see a port to other platforms? I gather the gesture commands can be input with the right analogue stick. It would be a shame to see it disappear with such dismal figures as it's meant to be great.

    Only if some other company pays Nintendo back for the entire development cost they put into the game. This isn't like a Ninja Gaiden 3 situation, where Nintendo only published in the US. Nintendo fully funded both Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2. And Platinum games never sell well, not that such is any defense.

    Really, Nintendo needs to ramp up their advertising something fierce. I know they scaled back when things took a turn for the worse earlier this year, but at the time they justified it as not seeing a reason to advertise when there were no games for the system. Well, with what's about to hit.. maybe it's time to reverse that opinion?

    I can't tell you how many times over the summer I saw Sony's big ad for the PS4, the 2 minute one, tacked on the front of youtube vids. Nintendo needs to do similar.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    The Wonderful 101 is probably going to be the next Psychonauts. The greatest game that no one played, but learned about waaaaaaaaaaay later.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    You could say that about any Platinum game, though. Luckily, the studio seems to know how to work within constrained budgets, so they don't cost their publishers too much in the long run.

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    Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    Lost Planet 3 sold less than 10k copies.

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    LanrutconLanrutcon The LabyrinthRegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    The Wonderful 101 is probably going to be the next Psychonauts. The greatest game that no one played, but learned about waaaaaaaaaaay later.

    The Wii U needs a killer app from a franchise that people recognize. A new, unproven IP isn't good enough (regardless of the game's actual quality).
    Shady3011 wrote: »
    Lost Planet 3 sold less than 10k copies.

    The game had like, no marketing at all. It looks like it was sent out to die. Not that the game is anything but average, mind you.

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    Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    They gave it a death sentence when they handed it to Spark Unlimited.

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Oh, so Splinter Cell WASN'T buried during that late summer release? I guess that means The Bureau was.

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Also, Lost Planet 3, from what little I saw of it, looked extremely competent.

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Lanrutcon wrote: »
    The game had like, no marketing at all. It looks like it was sent out to die. Not that the game is anything but average, mind you.

    No kidding. I like to think I'm more on top of things than most people and I only knew that game so much as existed when I saw its "coming soon" banner in my Steam page.

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    fearsomepiratefearsomepirate I ate a pickle once. Registered User regular
    edited September 2013
    Lanrutcon wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    The Wonderful 101 is probably going to be the next Psychonauts. The greatest game that no one played, but learned about waaaaaaaaaaay later.

    The Wii U needs a killer app from a franchise that people recognize. A new, unproven IP isn't good enough (regardless of the game's actual quality).
    Like Wii Sports or Wii Fit?

    Another phoned-in NSMB failed to sell the system. The tablet failed to sell the system. Their bizarre refusal to admit anyone outside of Nintendo has ever had a good idea about how to use the Internet has failed to sell the system. Abandoning motion control has failed to sell the system.

    At this point, what they should do is go out and recapture the original Wii audience, but I suspect what they'll actually do is limp along for another two years, get distracted by another weird new gadget, stop producing Wii U games, and let the console die a slow, ignominious death.

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    HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    CCS wrote: »
    Did we get any data for Wii U sales?

    Leaks over at GAF suggested about 30k sales for both the Wii and WiiU in August.

    The Ouya was under 8k.

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    AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    Lost Planet only had 4 days as well. Still a bomb when Capcom estimated 1.2 MILLION in sales for that title.

    Other numbers more fleshed out from GAF

    -WiiU was around 32K
    -Vita almost beat WiiU
    -The Pikmin total of 115k given by Nintendo includes digital, but over 100k went at retail.
    -Disney Infinity sold only about 16% of its 275k total on WiiU. Wii 25%. 360 was top platform
    -Tales of Xilia > 100K
    -Angry Birds WiiU sold less than 1500 copies
    -Killer is Dead sold less than 15k
    -Splinter Cell sold 300k, 70% on 360, 1.6% on WiiU.
    -Ouya sold 4K, Shield < 2k


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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    Pikmin and Dream Team charting is awesome.

    Ouya, that was never going to end well.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Wait Allforce, am I reading that right? That Disney Infinity sold more copies on the Wii than the Wii U?
    Lanrutcon wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    The Wonderful 101 is probably going to be the next Psychonauts. The greatest game that no one played, but learned about waaaaaaaaaaay later.

    The Wii U needs a killer app from a franchise that people recognize. A new, unproven IP isn't good enough (regardless of the game's actual quality).
    Like Wii Sports or Wii Fit?

    Another phoned-in NSMB failed to sell the system. The tablet failed to sell the system. Their bizarre refusal to admit anyone outside of Nintendo has ever had a good idea about how to use the Internet has failed to sell the system. Abandoning motion control has failed to sell the system.

    At this point, what they should do is go out and recapture the original Wii audience, but I suspect what they'll actually do is limp along for another two years, get distracted by another weird new gadget, stop producing Wii U games, and let the console die a slow, ignominious death.

    I don't think W101 being a new IP is its biggest hurdle, I believe that credit goes to the system not selling very well and the fact that the people who typically review games are for the most part, ridiculous hacks when it comes to reviewing something that is different and/or takes skill.

    The original Wii audience doesn't exist anymore. You either bought a Wii because you were going to anyway because you love Nintendos first party titles, or you were suckered in by the motion control fad. There's no fad this time.

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Lost Planet only had 4 days as well. Still a bomb when Capcom estimated 1.2 MILLION in sales for that title.

    Other numbers more fleshed out from GAF

    -WiiU was around 32K
    -Vita almost beat WiiU
    -The Pikmin total of 115k given by Nintendo includes digital, but over 100k went at retail.
    -Disney Infinity sold only about 16% of its 275k total on WiiU. Wii 25%. 360 was top platform
    -Tales of Xilia > 100K
    -Angry Birds WiiU sold less than 1500 copies
    -Killer is Dead sold less than 15k
    -Splinter Cell sold 300k, 70% on 360, 1.6% on WiiU.
    -Ouya sold 4K, Shield < 2k


    Well then, maybe Capcom should have promoted Lost Planet more/at all.

    Also, would have thought the Splinter Cell split would have been better on the consoles instead of seemingly ALL 360. No PS3? No PC?

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    I'm actually surprised by the low sales of the Angry Birds game on the WiiU. It seems like the tablet would be the best way to play the game... Although I guess at that point many people have the game on various tablets already... And it's less than $60.

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    AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Wait Allforce, am I reading that right? That Disney Infinity sold more copies on the Wii than the Wii U?

    Yeah, about 68K for Wii vs 43K for WiiU.

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    Allforce wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    Wait Allforce, am I reading that right? That Disney Infinity sold more copies on the Wii than the Wii U?

    Yeah, about 68K for Wii vs 43K for WiiU.

    Not too crazy. If anything, it should be more, considering the demographics and install base of the Wii v. the Wii U.

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    urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    Is that really all that surprising? People bought the game for the console they own. They don't care about graphics or anything like that.

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