PAX East 2014 Coin Thread (Second Run Orders Open) Updated April 5th

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  • DelaneyDelaney Registered User regular
    I still have some reservations about presumably honoring Boston by putting the Ducklings on one side and then basically representing shooting them on the other. But it's popular thus far, so oh, well. Maybe the guns could be left out to simplify the design and the "violent" part wouldn't be as blatant?

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  • KoalaBro2KoalaBro2 Registered User regular
    Yeah, two ducks, two light guns and a dog are not going to be too much for the coin, I assure you. Sure, there's details in my mock-up that might not come out, but the concept as a whole is definitely not too complex.

  • KoalaBro2KoalaBro2 Registered User regular
    Delaney wrote: »
    I still have some reservations about presumably honoring Boston by putting the Ducklings on one side and then basically representing shooting them on the other. But it's popular thus far, so oh, well. Maybe the guns could be left out to simplify the design and the "violent" part wouldn't be as blatant?

    I totally get it, I feel the same way, but I *really* like the two light guns crossed as a design. Were there any other light gun games worth referencing? Maybe we can excuse it by noting that no ducks are actually harmed in gaming?

  • TopherRocksTopherRocks Rockstar Beard Grower Kent, OH or Long Island, NYRegistered User regular
    I can't think of any other major retro light gun style games, especially nothing as iconic as duck hunt is.

  • vttymvttym Ardent Gamer Northern NJRegistered User regular
    And let's remember, Ralph laughs at you because you missed the ducks. So in reality, no ducks are harmed here.

  • DelaneyDelaney Registered User regular
    vttym wrote: »
    And let's remember, Ralph laughs at you because you missed the ducks. So in reality, no ducks are harmed here.

    You know, if Ralph laughing was the image, it'd have the implication that you did indeed miss the shot and that's something I'd actually find rather amusing.

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
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    flatline wrote: »
    Tossing some thoughts in here...a lot of military coins have a giant unit crest on it, which is awesome. Often times it incorporates their subordinate units somehow. What if we worked that somehow? A controller (console) mouse (PC) and dice (tabletop) on with the PAX logo in the middle?

    First, we can't use the PAX Logo on the coins - these are a community item and are not officially part of PAX in any way.

    Secondly, there is a PAX Forum crest but in the past we were told that it's too intricate for a challenge coin.

    Do you know what company was used previously? I'm looking at the crest, and not seeing anything too terribly complex in it. I've got a coin in front of me that a similar level of detail and complexity. Granted, it was made by a dude in Ohio so if we're procuring locally for easy of logistics that might change things.

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  • KoalaBro2KoalaBro2 Registered User regular
    flatline wrote: »
    Tossing some thoughts in here...a lot of military coins have a giant unit crest on it, which is awesome. Often times it incorporates their subordinate units somehow. What if we worked that somehow? A controller (console) mouse (PC) and dice (tabletop) on with the PAX logo in the middle?

    First, we can't use the PAX Logo on the coins - these are a community item and are not officially part of PAX in any way.

    Secondly, there is a PAX Forum crest but in the past we were told that it's too intricate for a challenge coin.

    Do you know what company was used previously? I'm looking at the crest, and not seeing anything too terribly complex in it. I've got a coin in front of me that a similar level of detail and complexity. Granted, it was made by a dude in Ohio so if we're procuring locally for easy of logistics that might change things.

    We currently use Phoenix Challenge Coins. Previously we used another company that is out of business (can't remember the name off the top of my head). While I'm not sure how feasible the Forum Crest might or might not be, at this point we have a pretty reliable formula of changing the design each year and having it represent a different form of gaming each time.

  • Arithon32Arithon32 Member of the Pinquisition Registered User regular
    Delaney wrote: »
    vttym wrote: »
    And let's remember, Ralph laughs at you because you missed the ducks. So in reality, no ducks are harmed here.

    You know, if Ralph laughing was the image, it'd have the implication that you did indeed miss the shot and that's something I'd actually find rather amusing.

    I always assumed he'd be laughing. I think the laughing dog image is more iconic of Duck Hunt than the ducks are

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  • lexmarielexmarie Registered User new member
    Someone earlier suggested making it like a Jolly Roger (skull and crossbones) with Ralph's head above the crossed guns. To my mind, that seems to imply shooting ducks a bit less and is more a fun video game emblem. (And also potentially really bad-ass looking.)

  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    KoalaBro2 wrote: »
    flatline wrote: »
    Tossing some thoughts in here...a lot of military coins have a giant unit crest on it, which is awesome. Often times it incorporates their subordinate units somehow. What if we worked that somehow? A controller (console) mouse (PC) and dice (tabletop) on with the PAX logo in the middle?

    First, we can't use the PAX Logo on the coins - these are a community item and are not officially part of PAX in any way.

    Secondly, there is a PAX Forum crest but in the past we were told that it's too intricate for a challenge coin.

    Do you know what company was used previously? I'm looking at the crest, and not seeing anything too terribly complex in it. I've got a coin in front of me that a similar level of detail and complexity. Granted, it was made by a dude in Ohio so if we're procuring locally for easy of logistics that might change things.

    We currently use Phoenix Challenge Coins. Previously we used another company that is out of business (can't remember the name off the top of my head). While I'm not sure how feasible the Forum Crest might or might not be, at this point we have a pretty reliable formula of changing the design each year and having it represent a different form of gaming each time.

    Cool, thanks. I'm just tossing thoughts and ideas around, like everyone else. I'm always partial to the uniquely shaped coins, so I was thinking of something in the forum crest shape, with the crest on one side and something like the design you guys mentioned on the other.

  • gigabraingigabrain Some guy...yknow New HampshireRegistered User regular
    KoalaBro2 wrote: »
    flatline wrote: »
    Tossing some thoughts in here...a lot of military coins have a giant unit crest on it, which is awesome. Often times it incorporates their subordinate units somehow. What if we worked that somehow? A controller (console) mouse (PC) and dice (tabletop) on with the PAX logo in the middle?

    First, we can't use the PAX Logo on the coins - these are a community item and are not officially part of PAX in any way.

    Secondly, there is a PAX Forum crest but in the past we were told that it's too intricate for a challenge coin.

    Do you know what company was used previously? I'm looking at the crest, and not seeing anything too terribly complex in it. I've got a coin in front of me that a similar level of detail and complexity. Granted, it was made by a dude in Ohio so if we're procuring locally for easy of logistics that might change things.

    We currently use Phoenix Challenge Coins. Previously we used another company that is out of business (can't remember the name off the top of my head). While I'm not sure how feasible the Forum Crest might or might not be, at this point we have a pretty reliable formula of changing the design each year and having it represent a different form of gaming each time.

    Cool, thanks. I'm just tossing thoughts and ideas around, like everyone else. I'm always partial to the uniquely shaped coins, so I was thinking of something in the forum crest shape, with the crest on one side and something like the design you guys mentioned on the other.

    Well if we're going in the direction of funky shapes, why not do a bottle opener coin this year?

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  • KoalaBro2KoalaBro2 Registered User regular
    Isn't a "bottle opener coin" just a bottle opener? I would personally vote to keep with our traditional round design. If people want to make medallions, or metal crests, or bottle openers, that's all fine, but those really seem like different projects.

  • TopherRocksTopherRocks Rockstar Beard Grower Kent, OH or Long Island, NYRegistered User regular
    Yeah, keep it a regular coin. If someone wants to do a bottle opener, let it be a separate project.

  • eloelo That guy over there... Smoke stack central, NJRegistered User regular
    lauren42 wrote: »
    popsiphone wrote: »
    I like the idea of Ducks! With all this talk of it what about a Duck Hunt gun on the gaming side? Its retro and maybe some other retro elements could be added.

    This is an AMAZING idea. DuckHuntDog.jpg

    It really is an awesome idea and with the other side would be perfect! who says we cant have a little tongue-in-cheek humor on the coin? :winky:

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  • sirmrejsirmrej Seattle areaRegistered User regular
    Love the idea of duck hunt. I think if you have the dog laughing and the guns, but no ducks, nongamers won't know there's a connection. And I think that's fine. And gamers will see the dog laughing and know that it was a miss anyway.

    I also think we should definitely do a round coin, and not a different shaped thing. This is a challenge coin. If someone wants to make a metal forum badge thing, that's totally cool, but is a separate issue. In the same vein, forum badge pins were just recently sold, and may be sold again. So that could scratch that itch.

  • zombocomzombocom Registered User regular
    as a gamer, and now that it's been mentioned, if you do ducks on one side, i can't imagine anything more appropriate than a duck hunt reference on the other side. video game violence isn't real, and placating those who think otherwise isn't a good precedent to set. besides, duck hunt is iconic, enshrined in american culture, it's not like crossed baseball bats and a dead gta hooker. better kids are inside shooting pixel ducks than wandering the streets with a bb gun and murder in their hearts right?

  • AboutLastNightAboutLastNight Whitney Registered User regular
    KoalaBro2 wrote: »
    Isn't a "bottle opener coin" just a bottle opener? I would personally vote to keep with our traditional round design. If people want to make medallions, or metal crests, or bottle openers, that's all fine, but those really seem like different projects.

    I agree. Keep the original round design. If someone else wants to get into other souvenirs, then that's up to them.

  • Jake CappsJake Capps Patrick Space Force Base, FloridaRegistered User regular
    Bottle opener coins are round. I have a few. They look pretty cool, and as a challenge coin they are actually functional because the challenge is a drinking game.

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  • RaughnRaughn Registered User regular
    My gut reaction to using the Duck Hunt dog was “Great idea, too perfect not to use, just start taking orders now.” (Kudos, @popsiphone)

    But the more I think about it, connecting the two sides of the coin doesn't quite work for me. I can't think of any coins where the opposite sides reference each other so directly.

    And unless we reduce the reasoning to the somewhat lame “It's just that they are both duck related,” I don't see how this idea does not imply an attempt to shoot the ducks. Which are mostly ducklings.

    I'll be ordering the coin regardless, but I'd hope to see us continue on the path of completely distinct sides; one for the host city, and one for gaming, without the need for a disclaimer-laden explanation about our choice for the gaming side (“No, see, it was a miss”).

  • vttymvttym Ardent Gamer Northern NJRegistered User regular
    I'll put out one more thought about Ralph - rather than having him with zappers (which could be considered aggressive), what if it was a shot of him with his excited look (right after sniffing, and before jumping).. that could be on the left side of the coin, and then something on the right (game cabinet, system, dice, cards, etc) that he's excited about.

    In this way, you get the fun connection, without that icky dead duck feeling.

    Link to the image of the dog that I'm describing

  • gerafingerafin Registered User regular
    I'm biased towards PC gaming, but I liked the idea of the exclamation point and added a twist... I still think it's missing something, though.

    I would have so many ideas for this...

    If the coin was the size of a large pizza :(
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  • Jake CappsJake Capps Patrick Space Force Base, FloridaRegistered User regular
    I can't stand PC gaming but you did a great job on your coin. For the life of me I can't think of what to put on the sides either.

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  • KomiKomi Registered User regular
    I'm still COMPLETELY for some form of play on quest givers in MMO's for the coin. I really think that'd be awesome since I don't think we've really touched the genre of MMO's yet. Ralph is right there behind it for me but I'm slowly leaning towards agreeing with people on how controversial it could be. The last thing I'd want to see is a news story talking about the PAX community supporting mass duckling slaughter or something. That'd really suck.

    If we stick with Ralph, I like the idea of him sniffing for the ducks. I mean... all of us would know what it is really, but to an outsider who would be the type to blow it out of proportion from not understanding things it'd just seem like a dog sniffing around.

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  • TheAggroCraigTheAggroCraig Ultimate Lucky Douchebag MassachusettsRegistered User regular
    Raughn wrote: »
    My gut reaction to using the Duck Hunt dog was “Great idea, too perfect not to use, just start taking orders now.” (Kudos, @popsiphone)

    But the more I think about it, connecting the two sides of the coin doesn't quite work for me. I can't think of any coins where the opposite sides reference each other so directly.

    And unless we reduce the reasoning to the somewhat lame “It's just that they are both duck related,” I don't see how this idea does not imply an attempt to shoot the ducks. Which are mostly ducklings.

    I'll be ordering the coin regardless, but I'd hope to see us continue on the path of completely distinct sides; one for the host city, and one for gaming, without the need for a disclaimer-laden explanation about our choice for the gaming side (“No, see, it was a miss”).

    I don't see the issue with connecting the two sides. It's something unique, not like it's going to stick going forward, in fact it's way cooler that we were able to connect a landmark to something game related.

  • DraxyDraxy Registered User regular
    I am totally down for the Ducklings/Duck Hunt combo. Both are iconic and when put together are especially hilarious.

  • Jake CappsJake Capps Patrick Space Force Base, FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    So one side is Make Way for Ducklings, and the other is Ralph laughing in front of the Convention Center?

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  • zer0faultszer0faults Registered User regular
    Love this idea as well. This will be my second year going to PAX, but first year getting a coin, missed it the first time around.

  • Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    I'm not really a fan of the Duck Hunt dog, personally. The other coins are recognizable as specific games or genres, but not this specific.

  • gerafingerafin Registered User regular
    I think before people make up their minds, we should get mockups of what they would actually look like.
    I can't tell figure out if an extremely pixelated image will look cool or ridiculous when printed on a coin... thoughts?

  • RaughnRaughn Registered User regular
    vttym wrote: »
    I'll put out one more thought about Ralph - rather than having him with zappers (which could be considered aggressive), what if it was a shot of him with his excited look (right after sniffing, and before jumping).. that could be on the left side of the coin, and then something on the right (game cabinet, system, dice, cards, etc) that he's excited about.

    In this way, you get the fun connection, without that icky dead duck feeling.

    Link to the image of the dog that I'm describing

    If we go with Ralph, I think this is the way to do it. Good idea, @vttym

    My favorite idea is representing MMO's somehow. I personally like @gerafin 's exclamation point mock-up (kudos, good sir), but it's probably a bit too abstract to get a lot of support in the end. Maybe the MMO route gives us a chance to do a nice landscape image of a fantasy world with the level of detail we usually have on the city side, and have a character in the image with the exclamation over its head? We'd need a good artist on the job, but it could turn out really well.

    (By the way, for the ducklings, there wasn't much discussion around it, but I think @lauren42 found the perfect angle for them at the top of page 3.)

  • ClixClix This guy I know Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I'll be honest, I don't understand the exclamation mark at all. When I see an exclamation mark I think of Metal Gear Solid.

  • TheAggroCraigTheAggroCraig Ultimate Lucky Douchebag MassachusettsRegistered User regular
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    Imsorad wrote: »
    I'll be honest, I don't understand the exclamation mark at all. When I see an exclamation mark I think of Metal Gear Solid.

    Same, though if it were used (I think it's too boring on its own however), maybe it could be just interpreted in different ways based on the owner?

  • gigabraingigabrain Some guy...yknow New HampshireRegistered User regular
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    I say we use this as a guide :P

    Or perhaps

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  • KomiKomi Registered User regular
    As much as I'd like the exclamation point I guess it really does make no sense to anyone who hasn't played an MMO. Somehow incorporating a quest giver NPC and player character could work though.

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  • cardkid123cardkid123 Registered User regular
    I like the exclamation point idea. I just think it needs a background of some sort to make people understand it better.

  • TopherRocksTopherRocks Rockstar Beard Grower Kent, OH or Long Island, NYRegistered User regular
    All I get when I see the exclamation point is MGS as well. I'm still loving the "Ralph" ideas.

  • vttymvttym Ardent Gamer Northern NJRegistered User regular
    You know, Ralph with an exclamation point over his head works on a lot of different levels. Not to muddy the water further, or anything..

  • rascrushrascrush Registered User regular
    I personally do not play mmo's so I dont get the whole ! thing

  • cardkid123cardkid123 Registered User regular
    vttym wrote: »
    You know, Ralph with an exclamation point over his head works on a lot of different levels. Not to muddy the water further, or anything..

    Mind..... Blown.

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