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Al-Shabaab back gunmen invade Nairobi mall and take hostages. 68 dead

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited September 2013
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/09/2013923628350977.html

    Al-Jazeera interviewed al-Shabab's military spokesman about the attack. He doesn't say anything too surprising; basically just that the mall was targeted because it's Israeli owned and foreigners and rich people are its main customer base, and that the attack is retaliation for Kenya's invasion and ongoing occupation of Somalia.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Can't help but wonder if Ugandan or Ghanaian troops would have provided as much of a recruitment tool as Kenyan troops.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Can't help but wonder if Ugandan or Ghanaian troops would have provided as much of a recruitment tool as Kenyan troops.

    Depending on the branch of radicals, I'm thinking it wasn't terribly relevant. 'We're going to go burn down that posh Israeli property' is probably most of the motivation a fundamentalist in the region needs.

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  • VorpalVorpal Registered User regular
    This whole thing is heartbreaking and tragic.
    The takeaway counter next to them is riddled with AK-47 bullets, sprayed by members of terror cell Al Shabaab at anyone deemed to be non-Muslim..
    In his last moments, the 33-year-old appears to have tried to protect the woman who was to have their first child in just two weeks.
    They were found curled together, Mr Langdon's arms wrapped protectively around Miss Yavuz.
    Mr Langdon had been involved with a number of projects across Africa, which included designing an HIV-Aids hospital in Kenya free of charge.
    Mr Langdon, who studied architecture at the University of Tasmania then the University of Sydney, worked for several companies before founding his own firm Regional Associates Ltd in May 2008.
    Born and brought up in south-eastern Tasmania, his work included projects in Uganda, Rwanda and Tanzania.
    Harvard graduate Ms Yavuz was eight-and-a-half months pregnant at the time of her death.
    The malaria specialist was working in Kenya for the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, which was founded by the former U.S president.

    You just wonder about the world sometimes. These people are trying to build hospitals and cure malaria and fight AIDS and wind up dead.

    Lots of photos of them here

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  • Knuckle DraggerKnuckle Dragger Explosive Ovine Disposal Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Can't help but wonder if Ugandan or Ghanaian troops would have provided as much of a recruitment tool as Kenyan troops.

    Depending on the branch of radicals, I'm thinking it wasn't terribly relevant. 'We're going to go burn down that posh Israeli property' is probably most of the motivation a fundamentalist in the region needs.

    I could understand that if the region were the Middle East, but these guys were already involved in a war with everyone in the neighborhood. It's not like they had a shortage of enemies without putting themselves on Mossad's radar.

    I hope something irreversible happens to them.

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Can't help but wonder if Ugandan or Ghanaian troops would have provided as much of a recruitment tool as Kenyan troops.

    Depending on the branch of radicals, I'm thinking it wasn't terribly relevant. 'We're going to go burn down that posh Israeli property' is probably most of the motivation a fundamentalist in the region needs.

    I could understand that if the region were the Middle East, but these guys were already involved in a war with everyone in the neighborhood. It's not like they had a shortage of enemies without putting themselves on Mossad's radar.

    I hope something irreversible happens to them.

    They just got on Mossad's radar. That is something irreversible.

    More seriously speaking, I bet intel agencies all over the world just upgraded Al-Shabab on their threat lists. Which means a lot more attempting to strangle their funding and weapons supplies and a lot more intel passed to the Kenyans and to anybody who is fighting Al-Shabab.

    At least that would be my guess.

    And I can understand your feelings. I want them ground up and fed to rats, and then I want those rats fed to other rats. To quote an RPG review.

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    The warlords stole my childhood and Al-Shabab are stealing my future.

    The larger organization will get wants coming to them, its what comes next that concerns me. Al-Shabab, according to CNN and wikipedia, sprouted from a divide in Al-Qaeda Somalia between the old guard and the new youth, the latter forming this problem today.

    Mossad's ops mean nothing unless they are followed up by the AU and UN taking steps to stabilize the nation and help the government govern.

    Somalia needs fishing poles and the power to fish, not a quick tuna in some newspaper.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    The warlords stole my childhood and Al-Shabab are stealing my future.

    The larger organization will get wants coming to them, its what comes next that concerns me. Al-Shabab, according to CNN and wikipedia, sprouted from a divide in Al-Qaeda Somalia between the old guard and the new youth, the latter forming this problem today.

    Mossad's ops mean nothing unless they are followed up by the AU and UN taking steps to stabilize the nation and help the government govern.

    Somalia needs fishing poles and the power to fish, not a quick tuna in some newspaper.

    As much as it bothers me to realize it, I'm of the mind that what somalia needs is to either be conquered by it's neighbors or for the US to give a shitload of weapons to the least objectionable warlord they can find so that the general state of anarchy that has formed day to day life for the somali's can finally come to an end.

    Simply put, the country is in desperate need of a dictatorship.

  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    UK papers are speculating widely for the second day if one of the terrorists was a White British woman widow of one of the London 7/7 bombers.

    It almost seems a bit odd till one remembers that the papers here love to lead with a photo of women

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Thought it was one of them foreign intel agency dealies saying it's her?

    Even if she is completely unrelated, the implication is too succulent for the Daily Fail to resist

    Oh brilliant
  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited September 2013
    Gaddez wrote: »
    The warlords stole my childhood and Al-Shabab are stealing my future.

    The larger organization will get wants coming to them, its what comes next that concerns me. Al-Shabab, according to CNN and wikipedia, sprouted from a divide in Al-Qaeda Somalia between the old guard and the new youth, the latter forming this problem today.

    Mossad's ops mean nothing unless they are followed up by the AU and UN taking steps to stabilize the nation and help the government govern.

    Somalia needs fishing poles and the power to fish, not a quick tuna in some newspaper.

    As much as it bothers me to realize it, I'm of the mind that what somalia needs is to either be conquered by it's neighbors or for the US to give a shitload of weapons to the least objectionable warlord they can find so that the general state of anarchy that has formed day to day life for the somali's can finally come to an end.

    Simply put, the country is in desperate need of a dictatorship.

    Warlords are dead and gone, right now its Al Shabby and interim government.

    But yeah, Somalia was a poster child for what happened in Iraq and Libya, and what could happen in Syria. Like they said in Farcry 2, guns aren't bio-degradable, they will still exist when the government ends.

    What I meant by that is that while Siad Barre did everything Ghadafi and Hussein were doing, his government did not force a diaspora that his overthrow did. Furthermore, that he was overthrown during and because of the famine in east Africa made the aftermath that much worse as there was nothing a new government could rally around to feed the people. Since them, those who experienced what happened in Somalia have always held our breaths at the fall of a dictator to see a repeat of the Barre's fall. Thankfully Libya has not been as bad and Egypt has been better in the technical sense (no warlords so its technically better). But Syria.....

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