Are you kidding me? That's a SHIELD classic. Pure Jim Steranko. Also, it was a nod to
Howard Stark's flying car in Captain America. Same model, and judging by the line about it being one of Coulson's "vintage collectibles," probably the original car.
Coulson and Hill we're the best part. The other agents were very bland and generic. It was decent for a first episode, I'll at least watch the first season.
it was ok about what i expected for a whedon pilot with a lot of ground to cover and a large amount of material to establish too early to tell if it will end up bein good or bad
Unfortunately it was Whedon's brother and not the man himself. Joss loves pain. He would have found a stronger emotional angle. This had action and humor and was fun, but the way most of the character were all generic...Whedon doesn't do that. I still have high hopes for the series. I think if they went more silly/strange it would be closer to littleWhedon's strike zone. I don't think action/mystery is it.
it was ok about what i expected for a whedon pilot with a lot of ground to cover and a large amount of material to establish too early to tell if it will end up bein good or bad
Unfortunately it was Whedon's brother and not the man himself. Joss loves pain. He would have found a stronger emotional angle. This had action and humor and was fun, but the way most of the character were all generic...Whedon doesn't do that. I still have high hopes for the series. I think if they went more silly/strange it would be closer to littleWhedon's strike zone. I don't think action/mystery is it.
Plus that hacker girl is hot!
I think it would have been hard even for Whedon himself to throw much more emotion into this episode than what we got, there was just too much exposition needed to set everything up. That being said I think that they did a pretty good job making us (me at least) feel for Gunn's character. I really liked what I saw so far and am excited to see where the season goes.
I thought the first episode was above expectations, considering the very direct link to Iron Man 3. I didn't expect any overt connections at all besides Coulson and them saying "Battle of New York" every few seconds. I also can't decide if that's a terrible name for what happened in Avengers. I mean, sometimes things are named like that, but sometimes they're 9/11 or something like that.
So, character stuff.
-White bread was probably betrayed by a previous team, hence the "poop with knives" on his stat sheet.
-Hacker girl was involved in crimes. I do wonder if she actually did them or if it was a frame. Maybe like a stalker or something? You don't erase yourself from the system for no reason at all.
-The "driver" of their "bus" probably either killed way too many people to where she refuses action or maybe she failed on a mission somehow.
-Coulson is a robot clone from an alternate future where... etc
-The British twins were transplanted from the Normandy.
it was ok about what i expected for a whedon pilot with a lot of ground to cover and a large amount of material to establish too early to tell if it will end up bein good or bad
Unfortunately it was Whedon's brother and not the man himself. Joss loves pain. He would have found a stronger emotional angle. This had action and humor and was fun, but the way most of the character were all generic...Whedon doesn't do that. I still have high hopes for the series. I think if they went more silly/strange it would be closer to littleWhedon's strike zone. I don't think action/mystery is it.
it was ok about what i expected for a whedon pilot with a lot of ground to cover and a large amount of material to establish too early to tell if it will end up bein good or bad
Unfortunately it was Whedon's brother and not the man himself. Joss loves pain. He would have found a stronger emotional angle. This had action and humor and was fun, but the way most of the character were all generic...Whedon doesn't do that. I still have high hopes for the series. I think if they went more silly/strange it would be closer to littleWhedon's strike zone. I don't think action/mystery is it.
Plus that hacker girl is hot!
Joss Whedon directed the pilot.
He also co-wrote it. Or at least he's credited for co-writing.
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I was going to pass on this because I am not, in general, what you could call a fan of Joss Whedon, but apparently he has a really minimal role in the production of this and it's just his name?
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the truth serum bit was fun and proof of 100% uncut Whedon
definitely the most enjoyable new show out there so far, even though August Richards always rubs me the wrong way.
I do hope they have a good explanation for how the villains can have access to all sorts of top secret super advanced and alien technology but decided to test that stuff on random civilians and setting them loose on the streets. An evil clandestine organization should have the same high standards for all of its departments. You don't want to hire the best spies and thieves while skimping on your illegal human experimentation budget.
I wasnt originally planning on watching it but I saw this thread at 8:01 and figured what the hell and gave it a shot.
My expectations were super low, so needless to say it was much better than I expected. Im in for another couple of episodes at the least.
I thought the quality of the show was inconsistent - at times it felt like a movie blockbuster, but at others it felt like I was watching a better version of Alphas.
Clark Gregg was easily the highlight, and the possibility of maybe getting a double dose of Cobie Smulders here and there is a definite bonus. None of the other characters really bothered me, but none of them really stood out either.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
Quick! Someone cue up the Iron Man 3 disc and see if the events sync!
EDIT: When Tony does his Mandarin attacks timeline, see if there's another one in LA besides the one in the film.
They wouldnt since nobody but AIM knew it was called Extremis until Tony exposed it.
This is post IM3 guys
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I loved the truth serum too and of course when she takes off her coat I was a little "damn" and was sort of expecting him to blurt something out that would have been hillarious.
Overall I found there was some stuff that was a bit bland as others have said but Coulson was amazing and a few things I wanted to bring up now that I think about it...
Coulson seemed to be getting information awfully quick didn't he? LIke the GPS thing when everyone else was like "OMG WE'RE BEING HACKED" and he knew what it was. As well, when the door came off the van his reaction was a bit...robotic to me. We're I a betting man I would pose two ideas. One, Coulson was transplanted into a LMD (Life Model Decoy) and doesn't realize it and the whole Tahiti thing was while they were doing the work. Or he was put into a robot type body and is going to be Vision like many have suggested.
I don't really get "the characters were bland" after a single 40 minute episode. You're not exactly going to get invested in anyone's journey by that time, unless you pour all the characterisation into a single character.
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Link to the episode, though the streaming quality isn't great.
I don't really get "the characters were bland" after a single 40 minute episode. You're not exactly going to get invested in anyone's journey by that time, unless you pour all the characterisation into a single character.
Whedon did this pretty well with Firefly, though. I know I'm not the only one who was hooked after the first episode already, and a lot of that was the characters.
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I did like that, aside from Fitz/Simmons, each character got a little mystery relating to them that can develop over the course of the series.
Are you kidding me? That's a SHIELD classic. Pure Jim Steranko. Also, it was a nod to
Howard Stark's flying car in Captain America. Same model, and judging by the line about it being one of Coulson's "vintage collectibles," probably the original car.
I mean, I get it, :comic books:. But it's all so disjointed against the rest of the show. Everything was very low key when it came to tech(the drones each being specialized was an exception, I accepted this as "tv doesnt have time for forensics team"), and the heavy handed "we have to keep hidden from the public". but nah dude,
HOVAVETTE to the plane!
Honestly, the rifle bothers me now too, because they show them building a special bullet.... why couldnt it have been fired out of a regular gun instead of that mass effect rifle?
I will admit that Wards characterization as a cold fish isn't exactly going to bring much fun to his scenes without a dreaded foil to follow him around annoying him constantly.
Firefly's pilot was a double episode, so that is a problematic comparison.
On a side note, the planes cargo bay is TOTALLY channelling Serenity, down to the lab at the back.
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what SHIELD was doing instead of, ya know, stopping a rash of exploding doods and saving the president from an army of firebenders?
Not yet (if they will).
But they weren't sitting on their ass at least. They know WHAT it was, they just didn't do anything.
Didn't Rhody say that the US asked SHIELD to "sit this one out"?
As far as anyone knew, the Mandarin was a regular terrorist, using bombs they couldn't identify. That wouldn't be SHIELD's jurisdiction, and considering that many people would be nervous that SHIELD are getting too powerful (especially with Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk being seen as on the team), it makes sense that they wouldn't be involved.
If Tony had gotten word out that it was people exploding as a result of their super-heated super-soldier experiments, SHIELD would have gotten involved pretty fast.
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So I loved the premiere last night, has anyone seen the numbers yet to see how it fared in the ratings?
Pros:
Fight Choreography - FANTASTIC. There was some Jason Bourne level shit going down in those fight scenes and I was a fan. They've definitely set it up that it's not just going to be wise cracks and internet fights.
Plot - They've tied the universe together well from the start. I'm hoping Cobie Smulders makes it as a regular on S2 when HIMYM wraps up because that'll just take it one step further, but they did a good job of basically saying "everyone in the world knows it's a superhero world now so we've gotta deal with this" Coulson did a great job with his line regarding the hooded hero "Yes we want to contain him, the next guy will want to exploit him, and the one after that will want to dissect him..." Loved that line.
Character Development - It's a pilot, so I gave it a lot of ground. Clark Gregg obviously has his shit together and they've set his story in motion well, the others will come along in time I'm sure. I'm not a HUGE fan of the tech twins but every Gibbs needs his Abby so whatever.
The Superhuman Registration Act - It's there. It's subtle and in just one line of dialogue, but the word "Unregistered" was uttered and I hope that will continue to be a theme.
Cons:
Where are the Avengers? Who cares! - They really need to reel that in within the next few episodes. A lot of reviewers pointed it out, but they need to not get too heavy handed with the references to New York, movie plotlines, and the Avengers themselves every episode because then it's just going to be "let's watch for 45 minutes, not paying attention, hoping for that 10 second cameo by Loki because they booked him this week"
Who's that guy/girl? - I get that it's Movie Marvel and Phase 2 and they need to distance themselves somewhat from the comics to make things digestible but they need to make sure they're keeping the core roster in tact if they're also going to be introducing a bunch of new made up characters. Obviously introducing new made up characters vs using old made up characters works (See: The Walking Dead (Daryl) ) but the entire cast aside from Hill is pretty much newbies and Richards Hooded Hero wasn't a known character either as far as I can tell. I'm fine with it, but make sure we get some stilt man or some b-list villains too from time to time with some recognizable names.
The Mutant Factor? - I don't know how it's gonna play in because Fox still holds the keys to most of that castle, but throughout the Phase 1 films the word Mutant hasn't been spoken once. It's confirmed Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch are going to be in A2 so I know Marvel has gotten some of those rights back, but we need to quickly establish that it's not just gods and super soldiers and metal suited billionaires running the show, it's also the next stage of human evolution. I hope it at least gets a nod this season.
Overall, I got the Whedon tones from the dialogue that I was hoping for, the ever expanding universal possibilities I've come to love from the Phase 1 films, some above par acting (something that was sadly, tragically missing from No Ordinary Family despite having a good cast), and the knowledge that we're getting a full 22 this year, and provided the ratings don't completely go down the toilet and Marvel movies continue to perform profitably at the box office we'll be assured a Season 2.
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about what i expected for a whedon pilot with a lot of ground to cover and a large amount of material to establish
too early to tell if it will end up bein good or bad
Still better than most dramas.
Are you kidding me? That's a SHIELD classic. Pure Jim Steranko. Also, it was a nod to
Just finished watching the pilot and it's definitely a Whedon show. Can't wait to see where this goes.
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Unfortunately it was Whedon's brother and not the man himself. Joss loves pain. He would have found a stronger emotional angle. This had action and humor and was fun, but the way most of the character were all generic...Whedon doesn't do that. I still have high hopes for the series. I think if they went more silly/strange it would be closer to littleWhedon's strike zone. I don't think action/mystery is it.
Plus that hacker girl is hot!
I think it would have been hard even for Whedon himself to throw much more emotion into this episode than what we got, there was just too much exposition needed to set everything up. That being said I think that they did a pretty good job making us (me at least) feel for Gunn's character. I really liked what I saw so far and am excited to see where the season goes.
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So, character stuff.
-White bread was probably betrayed by a previous team, hence the "poop with knives" on his stat sheet.
-Hacker girl was involved in crimes. I do wonder if she actually did them or if it was a frame. Maybe like a stalker or something? You don't erase yourself from the system for no reason at all.
-The "driver" of their "bus" probably either killed way too many people to where she refuses action or maybe she failed on a mission somehow.
-Coulson is a robot clone from an alternate future where... etc
-The British twins were transplanted from the Normandy.
Joss Whedon directed the pilot.
He also co-wrote it. Or at least he's credited for co-writing.
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definitely the most enjoyable new show out there so far, even though August Richards always rubs me the wrong way.
My expectations were super low, so needless to say it was much better than I expected. Im in for another couple of episodes at the least.
I thought the quality of the show was inconsistent - at times it felt like a movie blockbuster, but at others it felt like I was watching a better version of Alphas.
Clark Gregg was easily the highlight, and the possibility of maybe getting a double dose of Cobie Smulders here and there is a definite bonus. None of the other characters really bothered me, but none of them really stood out either.
Yeah, my initial reaction was dumb but then a split second later it was all
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Not yet (if they will).
But they weren't sitting on their ass at least. They know WHAT it was, they just didn't do anything.
EDIT: When Tony does his Mandarin attacks timeline, see if there's another one in LA besides the one in the film.
I also have Iron Man 3 coming from Best Buy online, so I'll watch that this weekend. I definitely look forward to seeing how they sync.
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They wouldnt since nobody but AIM knew it was called Extremis until Tony exposed it.
This is post IM3 guys
Overall I found there was some stuff that was a bit bland as others have said but Coulson was amazing and a few things I wanted to bring up now that I think about it...
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I mean, I get it, :comic books:. But it's all so disjointed against the rest of the show. Everything was very low key when it came to tech(the drones each being specialized was an exception, I accepted this as "tv doesnt have time for forensics team"), and the heavy handed "we have to keep hidden from the public". but nah dude,
Honestly, the rifle bothers me now too, because they show them building a special bullet.... why couldnt it have been fired out of a regular gun instead of that mass effect rifle?
Firefly's pilot was a double episode, so that is a problematic comparison.
On a side note, the planes cargo bay is TOTALLY channelling Serenity, down to the lab at the back.
For most people, the train job is the first episode they saw (since it was the first one aired) and that was pretty good at getting you hooked.
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As far as anyone knew, the Mandarin was a regular terrorist, using bombs they couldn't identify. That wouldn't be SHIELD's jurisdiction, and considering that many people would be nervous that SHIELD are getting too powerful (especially with Iron Man, Thor and the Hulk being seen as on the team), it makes sense that they wouldn't be involved.
Pros:
Fight Choreography - FANTASTIC. There was some Jason Bourne level shit going down in those fight scenes and I was a fan. They've definitely set it up that it's not just going to be wise cracks and internet fights.
Plot - They've tied the universe together well from the start. I'm hoping Cobie Smulders makes it as a regular on S2 when HIMYM wraps up because that'll just take it one step further, but they did a good job of basically saying "everyone in the world knows it's a superhero world now so we've gotta deal with this" Coulson did a great job with his line regarding the hooded hero "Yes we want to contain him, the next guy will want to exploit him, and the one after that will want to dissect him..." Loved that line.
Character Development - It's a pilot, so I gave it a lot of ground. Clark Gregg obviously has his shit together and they've set his story in motion well, the others will come along in time I'm sure. I'm not a HUGE fan of the tech twins but every Gibbs needs his Abby so whatever.
The Superhuman Registration Act - It's there. It's subtle and in just one line of dialogue, but the word "Unregistered" was uttered and I hope that will continue to be a theme.
Cons:
Where are the Avengers? Who cares! - They really need to reel that in within the next few episodes. A lot of reviewers pointed it out, but they need to not get too heavy handed with the references to New York, movie plotlines, and the Avengers themselves every episode because then it's just going to be "let's watch for 45 minutes, not paying attention, hoping for that 10 second cameo by Loki because they booked him this week"
Who's that guy/girl? - I get that it's Movie Marvel and Phase 2 and they need to distance themselves somewhat from the comics to make things digestible but they need to make sure they're keeping the core roster in tact if they're also going to be introducing a bunch of new made up characters. Obviously introducing new made up characters vs using old made up characters works (See: The Walking Dead (Daryl) ) but the entire cast aside from Hill is pretty much newbies and Richards Hooded Hero wasn't a known character either as far as I can tell. I'm fine with it, but make sure we get some stilt man or some b-list villains too from time to time with some recognizable names.
The Mutant Factor? - I don't know how it's gonna play in because Fox still holds the keys to most of that castle, but throughout the Phase 1 films the word Mutant hasn't been spoken once. It's confirmed Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch are going to be in A2 so I know Marvel has gotten some of those rights back, but we need to quickly establish that it's not just gods and super soldiers and metal suited billionaires running the show, it's also the next stage of human evolution. I hope it at least gets a nod this season.
Overall, I got the Whedon tones from the dialogue that I was hoping for, the ever expanding universal possibilities I've come to love from the Phase 1 films, some above par acting (something that was sadly, tragically missing from No Ordinary Family despite having a good cast), and the knowledge that we're getting a full 22 this year, and provided the ratings don't completely go down the toilet and Marvel movies continue to perform profitably at the box office we'll be assured a Season 2.