I don't want to act like I'm some hot shit, but at Bronze I (oops, Bronze II now) when I lose I find it very hard to pick out something I did consistently wrong. I mean yes, I can pick out plays I made which aren't great or I could have done better, but I feel like I'm consistently doing well, I win lane, I engage well or follow up engages, I avoid dying a lot.
And it doesn't fucking matter. Apparently "doing well" just isn't enough. I don't agree with the concept that you have to hypercarry, and if you can't carry your whole team up to higher ranks it just proves you're not good enough to move up, and sorry I just think that's bullshit. This is a team game. I cannot make up for the deficiencies of 4 other players. I can make up for the deficiencies of one, maybe two players if the rest of my team is good, but if the majority of my team is bad, it's going to show, and we're going to lose. Maybe it's different at higher levels of play, maybe I just am not awesome enough to deserve to get to silver, if I can't somehow get 4 other people to a victory despite them losing lane and throwing team fights.
Feel free to record your games and post them here. It's an offer the thread has made and it's always on the table. Sometimes it's hard to see the plays your're not making, or the mistakes you are.
I don't want to act like I'm some hot shit, but at Bronze I (oops, Bronze II now) when I lose I find it very hard to pick out something I did consistently wrong.
That is why you are Bronze II.
I am Plat IV. I can find multiple mistakes per game and that is in the games I win.
Here is an example from earlier in the thread. Given my mmr gains/losses I am guessing its a plat 3 game, roughly 2000 average elo.
I made at least 6 mistakes by my rough count of my comments. Seen by watching the game directly after it was played and during play. Further review will probably find more.
So i updated my lolreplay so i can add some Janna replays. This one was p bad (both on my part and corki's part). Corki had a lot of times where i thought he should have been able to follow through.
Note when watching replays: Always watch with vision of the side you want to critique. If you're privy to more information then you will have a hard time basing whether or not the decision was good because you will be biased by the extra information. It will also make it easier to take what you learn from a replay and turn it into better play
God damn it took forever to load this page: Hope it works
2:00 Corki disco's at level 1. I did not know this and we lost the fight because of it. We might have actually won that if i did not realize it. You will notice that I basically ignore taric early. This is because if taric wants to fight at level 1 i am happy to let him. We should not have a problem winning this fight. Basically Corki doesn't blow barrier. Trist blows Barrier and Taric Exhausts.
We probably should have hard Taric after this too, but his timely stun and flash saved him.
3:14 I back ping and follow taric out of the lane. It would be 3v2 or worse, but i could probably save j4 if he needed seconds to get over the dragon pit. When he comes back i keep auto attack harass to ensure he is low and has to spend mana healing.
3:34 corki should have followed me here. The creeps can wait we would have killed or pushed trist out of lane.
4:23 placing this ward is not a bad call because it prevents Taric from stunning me from his bush. Trist auto pushes and so will tend to come to that bush anyway. By pinking his pink I ensure that Taric cannot push the wave and take bush control. If the lane was going to push the other way, it might be a waste to clear that ward.
4:28 this is a really good engage by Taric. Corki is out of position and Taric hit level 2. Notice how i go straight for Trist. This lines my Q up to hit both Tristana and Taric. However my timing was off and I only hit trist with it. I escape with 6 HP. Corki's turn was really ill advised here. He potentially could have gotten out since Taric/Trist would have had to chase through creeps.
5:28 Shield the tower if its taking damage. Every little bit helps. I did a bad job of prepping these for Corki. Turned out he did not need the assistance.
5:43 Trist should have gone back, or Taric should not have. She is doing nothing here. So i just zone her out of XP. I wait a bit before engaging/poking because i want her to be low when taric gets to lane. That way the same problem she had when it was 2v1 taric has. Doesn't quite work but that is the idea. Taric levels heal first which negates my ability to do this (and to be harassed out). A good choice on his part to deal with the fact that I am ranged and can counter his engage
7:20 we should have won this fight. They are a level up but trist is low. Corki does not respect taric's damage and stands right next to him. I have to ensure that trist gets low enough so she has to pull out, but its early, so corki still can't trade with taric yet. Corki disconnects here and i turn onto trist. Taric is not a threat as his abilities are on CD. Trist's jump is down. Items aren't an issue because trist has not bought yet. I probably should not have turned that though
10:00 I warn J4 that we can't see trist. This facecheck was really really dumb. I also didn't have wards and should have bought one on last back. I was mashing R and we might have turned that had i got it off. Turned out OK, but should have waited for j4 to come.
12:00 We might have won this if corki did not w out of my ult. Either way, i had to flash the barrel to escape. We stay because we see J4 coming. Tower is on taric, so i slow him. Ward into the bush so we can see the chase. Stop auto attacking so that I don't get the kill. I should have popped a potion at the start of this. Might have been able to get Gragas if we didn't. We leave at the end because Zyra is really amazingly big atm. J4 called for dragon but taking the bottom tower would be a better call. We are all low and towers don't fight back when you have creeps.
14:00 We traded really well here. This allows us to take dragon control, gets me three ward kills [off of J4's well placed pink]. Notice how when i go back in to kill the last ward, Jarvan does not enter the pit? This keeps his location a mystery, lets us do Dragon because Nid's trap reveal Gragas at blue. I should not have pushed the wave after this at 15:30
17:30 Trist is out of position. Hard engage. I almost get out of this by fail my flash. Notice i when i am high HP i position myself between trist and corki but when i am low HP i position corki between me and trist? Trist wants to kill corki at the start so i stop that. Trist wants to kill me at the end so i only present corki. I attempt to use the wall to deny vision. Either way, good trade. 2 for 1, ADC still alive to farm
19:20 We got this pick on Taric/Trist because of the vision we had(and they didn't). I probably could have ulted Gragas into the wall but the spacing was suspect. Ult gives us the HP buffer to contest dragon wards safely. I know Taric placed one when he came up so I make sure to clear it. I get another pink when i go back because i know that taric should be getting one after seeing my clear his.
21:00 this fight was a huge throw by them. No vision in tri, knows people are close because just saw them at dargon. Walks to tri anyway. Trist gets caught, taric walks into try anyway. Zyra plays this really well by abandoning them and taking mid/killing Nid.
23:00 i baited Gragas into this. I knew he was behind me and also knew where Zyra/Vlad were. No need to use abilities until he is nice and vulnerable. Note that by standing next to him, i body block his body slam so he cannot cross the wall. He still should have got out, but knocked Nid the wrong way
24:30 i should have ulted way earlier so i could have healed him. I was in 2v2 mentality and going for trist though. Both of us die because of it
26:20 Zyra still does a lot of damage. This is a great trade for us though. Corki's w was brilliant
27:00 Oh god those Garen tower hitting animations
General Note: So at this point I am 100% going for Banner of Command because i feel like we can win/kite 4v4 or 5v5 engages long enough that we will win the game with a split push. Banner gives us two splits
27:55 2 man no smite dragon. Fucks Given: 0
29:20 Don't Chase. Especially the highest damage member of the enemy team when she has strong turn\
30:00 Only scared about lack of baron wards because we have vision of the enemy team other times. I get oracles very late this game as a note[largely because our objective control did not require it]. In this fight i tried to ult to heal jarvan. He died too fast. We also did very good on taking objectives after this marginal team fight win.
We get lucky with the disco at the end but that game was over by then
edit: This is my Plat 4 Promo series and the Nid made Plat from that match
Maybe I do just need to get better, though by "consistently wrong" I mean I try and adjust for my mistakes which I do notice. Maybe I don't notice enough mistakes, maybe I'm just not trying hard enough, but your position seems to support the idea that it's me that's the only issue, and that if I was just better, I would start winning all of my games.
In summation, that is his argument. And it is mostly true. You won't win all of your games, but if you win more than you lose, you will advance.
I mean people who play this game for a living usually have a 60% win rate in solo ranked no? As long as you're above 50% in the long term you're doing OK
Keep in mind reducing the number and severity of mistakes you make is not the only way to get better. You can improve your mechanical skill with your champions, get better at last hitting, improve your sense of your opponent's capability, look more often at the minimap, learn how to better read other players (especially your teammates), and a bunch of other stuff like that.
Keep in mind reducing the number and severity of mistakes you make is not the only way to get better. You can improve your mechanical skill with your champions, get better at last hitting, improve your sense of your opponent's capability, look more often at the minimap, learn how to better read other players (especially your teammates), and a bunch of other stuff like that.
Absolutely true!
You can also focus on other, subtler aspects of your game that are harder to categorize.
For example, you can focus on your play style, learning the limits of your aggression. You can focus on how to properly bait and trick people in making errors against you. You can learn when to play passively to avoid getting baited.
The hardest plays to make are the ones you can't even see.
Since they extended the deadline to get gold I'm pretty sure I can do it
Who wants to carry me this weekend
I thought we agreed I was going to do this
what times are you around EST
I'll be on tonight, but I have a wedding to attend tomorrow. I'll likely be on later tomorrow night and Sunday. If someone else has a better and more open schedule feel free to go with them, as I won't know hard times until tomorrow afternoon.
Keep in mind reducing the number and severity of mistakes you make is not the only way to get better. You can improve your mechanical skill with your champions, get better at last hitting, improve your sense of your opponent's capability, look more often at the minimap, learn how to better read other players (especially your teammates), and a bunch of other stuff like that.
Absolutely true!
You can also focus on other, subtler aspects of your game that are harder to categorize.
For example, you can focus on your play style, learning the limits of your aggression. You can focus on how to properly bait and trick people in making errors against you. You can learn when to play passively to avoid getting baited.
The hardest plays to make are the ones you can't even see.
decision making has a far greater impact than mechanics in this game.
I think the idea is that the only constant in any of your games is yourself. Some games are unwinnable, this is true, but if you focus on improving your own play, eventually you will win more than you lose to the point where you will rise out of wherever you are now.
Unless you're me and Skippy keeps throwing your promo games
I don't want to act like I'm some hot shit, but at Bronze I (oops, Bronze II now) when I lose I find it very hard to pick out something I did consistently wrong. I mean yes, I can pick out plays I made which aren't great or I could have done better, but I feel like I'm consistently doing well, I win lane, I engage well or follow up engages, I avoid dying a lot.
And it doesn't fucking matter. Apparently "doing well" just isn't enough. I don't agree with the concept that you have to hypercarry, and if you can't carry your whole team up to higher ranks it just proves you're not good enough to move up, and sorry I just think that's bullshit. This is a team game. I cannot make up for the deficiencies of 4 other players. I can make up for the deficiencies of one, maybe two players if the rest of my team is good, but if the majority of my team is bad, it's going to show, and we're going to lose. Maybe it's different at higher levels of play, maybe I just am not awesome enough to deserve to get to silver, if I can't somehow get 4 other people to a victory despite them losing lane and throwing team fights.
-There is an ELO hell. I don't care what anyone says. I was getting 3 points per win in Bronze I when i knew in my heart that i was better than that. But, you accept it and move forward. Think to yourself that you have to carry as hard as possible in every game. Or provide leadership, there's generally a lack of it in these games.
-This is more from my own perspective, but tanks win late game. Now you gotta have enough dps to take out the trash. But I've been running Nasus HARD and feel invincible when i run into the enemy team. I love Master Yi jungle or Rengar jungle, but you're batting clean up from that position. It's super fun and you'll get a lot of kills but you have more control over the outcome of the game if you're the pitcher.
These may mean nothing, but just some thoughts.
1) ELO hell is when your MMR is very close to your ACTUAL MMR. Basically it's the point where you're good enough to recognize your own, your teammates, and your enemies mistakes, but not good enough to actually capitalize on those mistakes to win games. This is the only ELO hell there is. I will take this time to point out that last season I literally climbed from 850 Elo (BRONZE V) to 1530 Elo (Gold V-IV).
EDIT: It took me basically the entire season to make that climb. Like, close to 1000 games. I literally had to become like 100000000x better.
2) Tanks only win late game in games where carries don't know how to CS properly and don't know how to position properly. That said, picking an initiator can be a good way to get your team to dogpile on the target you want.
I don't want to act like I'm some hot shit, but at Bronze I (oops, Bronze II now) when I lose I find it very hard to pick out something I did consistently wrong. I mean yes, I can pick out plays I made which aren't great or I could have done better, but I feel like I'm consistently doing well, I win lane, I engage well or follow up engages, I avoid dying a lot.
And it doesn't fucking matter. Apparently "doing well" just isn't enough. I don't agree with the concept that you have to hypercarry, and if you can't carry your whole team up to higher ranks it just proves you're not good enough to move up, and sorry I just think that's bullshit. This is a team game. I cannot make up for the deficiencies of 4 other players. I can make up for the deficiencies of one, maybe two players if the rest of my team is good, but if the majority of my team is bad, it's going to show, and we're going to lose. Maybe it's different at higher levels of play, maybe I just am not awesome enough to deserve to get to silver, if I can't somehow get 4 other people to a victory despite them losing lane and throwing team fights.
Feel free to record your games and post them here. It's an offer the thread has made and it's always on the table. Sometimes it's hard to see the plays your're not making, or the mistakes you are.
Get a fresh perspective, it helps.
Other than to play the newer games at a passable setting, being able to record my games is one of the reasons I am most looking forward to upgrading my PC. I know when I make a major mistake in positioning or agression, but the minor mistakes are the ones that happen more often and thus contribute more to my failures. I want to fix that.
1) ELO hell is when your MMR is very close to your ACTUAL MMR. Basically it's the point where you're good enough to recognize your own, your teammates, and your enemies mistakes, but not good enough to actually capitalize on those mistakes to win games. This is the only ELO hell there is. I will take this time to point out that last season I literally climbed from 850 Elo (BRONZE V) to 1530 Elo (Gold V-IV).
This is the closest that a philosophy of elo hell comes to being true, but it is still false, and the reason is because recognizing play mistakes is a skill which requires 3 things:
1. Sufficient game knowledge to actually know what's going on in the game (most people attain this before they even hit level 30)
2. Skill in looking for mistakes
3. A desire to see them
Skill in recognizing mistakes is a skill which is independent of game skill, and, in fact, is even transferable between different games, sports, etc. If you are good at seeing players' mistakes in baseball, you can also do the same in LoL, as long as you know the rules of the game and have a general idea of strategy.
Thus, being "good enough to recognize mistakes" and being "not good enough to capitalize on them" are two measurements on completely different scales.
People in this thread can comment on the mistakes of pro players. If a silver player can see when saint facechecks a bush, does that mean he deserves to be in challenger, and silver through plat are actually elo hell? No, it does not.
You get better by getting better. The skill of recognizing your own mistakes is a great tool, but ultimately independent of your skill at the game in question. It certainly is frustrating to be better at noticing mistakes than you are at playing, because you see your opponents making mistakes and find yourself unable to capitalize, but that is not because you deserve to be better, you just see the game perhaps more clearly than others.
There is no elo hell, not even in the most palatable definition.
I don't want to act like I'm some hot shit, but at Bronze I (oops, Bronze II now) when I lose I find it very hard to pick out something I did consistently wrong. I mean yes, I can pick out plays I made which aren't great or I could have done better, but I feel like I'm consistently doing well, I win lane, I engage well or follow up engages, I avoid dying a lot.
And it doesn't fucking matter. Apparently "doing well" just isn't enough. I don't agree with the concept that you have to hypercarry, and if you can't carry your whole team up to higher ranks it just proves you're not good enough to move up, and sorry I just think that's bullshit. This is a team game. I cannot make up for the deficiencies of 4 other players. I can make up for the deficiencies of one, maybe two players if the rest of my team is good, but if the majority of my team is bad, it's going to show, and we're going to lose. Maybe it's different at higher levels of play, maybe I just am not awesome enough to deserve to get to silver, if I can't somehow get 4 other people to a victory despite them losing lane and throwing team fights.
Feel free to record your games and post them here. It's an offer the thread has made and it's always on the table. Sometimes it's hard to see the plays your're not making, or the mistakes you are.
Get a fresh perspective, it helps.
Other than to play the newer games at a passable setting, being able to record my games is one of the reasons I am most looking forward to upgrading my PC. I know when I make a major mistake in positioning or agression, but the minor mistakes are the ones that happen more often and thus contribute more to my failures. I want to fix that.
LoLreplay has a really minimal footprint on PC power. So might be worth trying that.
decision making has a far greater impact than mechanics in this game.
It really depends. Mediocre mechanics and fantastic decision making will not get you as far as mediocre decision making and fantastic mechanics.
Even if you are a tactical genius, if you cannot back that up by making the plays you come up with, you have nothing.
I'll remember that next time a 250cs, 20+ kill vayne throws the game by fucking the wraiths up during a late game team fight.
1) That's not mediocre decision making that's terrible decision making so it doesn't really apply
2) Switch that persons mechanical skill for the tactical genius who has no money and can't position and they may as well not be in that team fight that they knew to join.
I agree the promo series can be frustrating (I couldn't win mine to get into gold forever) but I get the idea that they're trying to make transitions between the levels meaningful
I think the only thing that I dislike is that your MMR can be high, and result in high LP gains, but you can be matched against people in a higher tier which makes things feel unfair
I really felt this when I was in silver 1 playing against gold champs, and I knew that the system thought we were about the same skill level but they'd be getting rewards and I wouldn't abloo bloo
also I think the system should match you with/against people in your own division whenever possible because I want to grief my friends
I think the idea is that the only constant in any of your games is yourself. Some games are unwinnable, this is true, but if you focus on improving your own play, eventually you will win more than you lose to the point where you will rise out of wherever you are now.
Unless you're me and Skippy keeps throwing your promo games
It's not his fault really... he forgets that there are actually three lanes on that map.
1. Sufficient game knowledge to actually know what's going on in the game (most people attain this before they even hit level 30)
it probably took me a good 400 or so games before I started to learn when to go in/turn and when to run the fuck away
I think decision-making and strategy are way hard in this game and take a long time to refine and I still do dumb shit all the time where I'm like SKAPPY WRY
I agree the promo series can be frustrating (I couldn't win mine to get into gold forever) but I get the idea that they're trying to make transitions between the levels meaningful
I think the only thing that I dislike is that your MMR can be high, and result in high LP gains, but you can be matched against people in a higher tier which makes things feel unfair
I really felt this when I was in silver 1 playing against gold champs, and I knew that the system thought we were about the same skill level but they'd be getting rewards and I wouldn't abloo bloo
also I think the system should match you with/against people in your own division whenever possible because I want to grief my friends
Yeah I think they just need to tweak the math behind the curtain, make it less punishing to lose a series but possible to drop down an entire division, and then its good
I think the idea is that the only constant in any of your games is yourself. Some games are unwinnable, this is true, but if you focus on improving your own play, eventually you will win more than you lose to the point where you will rise out of wherever you are now.
Unless you're me and Skippy keeps throwing your promo games
It's not his fault really... he forgets that there are actually three lanes on that map.
1. Sufficient game knowledge to actually know what's going on in the game (most people attain this before they even hit level 30)
it probably took me a good 400 or so games before I started to learn when to go in/turn and when to run the fuck away
I think decision-making and strategy are way hard in this game and take a long time to refine and I still do dumb shit all the time where I'm like SKAPPY WRY
Oh of course! I'm not saying everyone's a good strategist by level 30, I'm saying people know enough about the game at that point to be able to say "that was pretty dumb of him"
I agree the promo series can be frustrating (I couldn't win mine to get into gold forever) but I get the idea that they're trying to make transitions between the levels meaningful
I think the only thing that I dislike is that your MMR can be high, and result in high LP gains, but you can be matched against people in a higher tier which makes things feel unfair
I really felt this when I was in silver 1 playing against gold champs, and I knew that the system thought we were about the same skill level but they'd be getting rewards and I wouldn't abloo bloo
also I think the system should match you with/against people in your own division whenever possible because I want to grief my friends
Yeah I think they just need to tweak the math behind the curtain, make it less punishing to lose a series but possible to drop down an entire division, and then its good
I'd imagine with them thinking of allowing drops from V brackets that clamping MMR will be less of an issue.
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Since they extended the deadline to get gold I'm pretty sure I can do it
Who wants to carry me this weekend
Feel free to record your games and post them here. It's an offer the thread has made and it's always on the table. Sometimes it's hard to see the plays your're not making, or the mistakes you are.
Get a fresh perspective, it helps.
In summation, that is his argument. And it is mostly true. You won't win all of your games, but if you win more than you lose, you will advance.
Really, every time someone picks veigar on my team, I'm almost guaranteed to win that game.
evil is op
I thought we agreed I was going to do this
what times are you around EST
Absolutely true!
You can also focus on other, subtler aspects of your game that are harder to categorize.
For example, you can focus on your play style, learning the limits of your aggression. You can focus on how to properly bait and trick people in making errors against you. You can learn when to play passively to avoid getting baited.
The hardest plays to make are the ones you can't even see.
I'll be on tonight, but I have a wedding to attend tomorrow. I'll likely be on later tomorrow night and Sunday. If someone else has a better and more open schedule feel free to go with them, as I won't know hard times until tomorrow afternoon.
Why must you all leave me in silver
With this extention I might actually make a push for gold... everytime I say that, i log in and then i can't be bothered to try hard.
1v1 me noob
decision making has a far greater impact than mechanics in this game.
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It really depends. Mediocre mechanics and fantastic decision making will not get you as far as mediocre decision making and fantastic mechanics.
Even if you are a tactical genius, if you cannot back that up by making the plays you come up with, you have nothing.
it's a character building excercise
1) ELO hell is when your MMR is very close to your ACTUAL MMR. Basically it's the point where you're good enough to recognize your own, your teammates, and your enemies mistakes, but not good enough to actually capitalize on those mistakes to win games. This is the only ELO hell there is. I will take this time to point out that last season I literally climbed from 850 Elo (BRONZE V) to 1530 Elo (Gold V-IV).
EDIT: It took me basically the entire season to make that climb. Like, close to 1000 games. I literally had to become like 100000000x better.
2) Tanks only win late game in games where carries don't know how to CS properly and don't know how to position properly. That said, picking an initiator can be a good way to get your team to dogpile on the target you want.
But @Goumindong is my friend!
I already did and you cried. 2v1 me noob.
Other than to play the newer games at a passable setting, being able to record my games is one of the reasons I am most looking forward to upgrading my PC. I know when I make a major mistake in positioning or agression, but the minor mistakes are the ones that happen more often and thus contribute more to my failures. I want to fix that.
I'll remember that next time a 250cs, 20+ kill vayne throws the game by fucking the wraiths up during a late game team fight.
Joe's Stream.
This is the closest that a philosophy of elo hell comes to being true, but it is still false, and the reason is because recognizing play mistakes is a skill which requires 3 things:
1. Sufficient game knowledge to actually know what's going on in the game (most people attain this before they even hit level 30)
2. Skill in looking for mistakes
3. A desire to see them
Skill in recognizing mistakes is a skill which is independent of game skill, and, in fact, is even transferable between different games, sports, etc. If you are good at seeing players' mistakes in baseball, you can also do the same in LoL, as long as you know the rules of the game and have a general idea of strategy.
Thus, being "good enough to recognize mistakes" and being "not good enough to capitalize on them" are two measurements on completely different scales.
People in this thread can comment on the mistakes of pro players. If a silver player can see when saint facechecks a bush, does that mean he deserves to be in challenger, and silver through plat are actually elo hell? No, it does not.
You get better by getting better. The skill of recognizing your own mistakes is a great tool, but ultimately independent of your skill at the game in question. It certainly is frustrating to be better at noticing mistakes than you are at playing, because you see your opponents making mistakes and find yourself unable to capitalize, but that is not because you deserve to be better, you just see the game perhaps more clearly than others.
There is no elo hell, not even in the most palatable definition.
LoLreplay has a really minimal footprint on PC power. So might be worth trying that.
And I'll remember that next time monte cristo takes over on my team for a 100cs 0/0/10 vayne and isn't able to carry because she doesn't have items.
Sure, are you going to play quinn?
I'll play swain. We'll be bird bros
1) That's not mediocre decision making that's terrible decision making so it doesn't really apply
2) Switch that persons mechanical skill for the tactical genius who has no money and can't position and they may as well not be in that team fight that they knew to join.
I agree the promo series can be frustrating (I couldn't win mine to get into gold forever) but I get the idea that they're trying to make transitions between the levels meaningful
I think the only thing that I dislike is that your MMR can be high, and result in high LP gains, but you can be matched against people in a higher tier which makes things feel unfair
I really felt this when I was in silver 1 playing against gold champs, and I knew that the system thought we were about the same skill level but they'd be getting rewards and I wouldn't abloo bloo
also I think the system should match you with/against people in your own division whenever possible because I want to grief my friends
It's not his fault really... he forgets that there are actually three lanes on that map.
NO GNAKS???? GG
omg i played quinn adc for the first time (against an ez) with skippy supporting
it was a fucking murderfest
i was like 13-4-12 by the end of the match
im totally down to be bird broz
it probably took me a good 400 or so games before I started to learn when to go in/turn and when to run the fuck away
I think decision-making and strategy are way hard in this game and take a long time to refine and I still do dumb shit all the time where I'm like SKAPPY WRY
Yeah I think they just need to tweak the math behind the curtain, make it less punishing to lose a series but possible to drop down an entire division, and then its good
IM MID
WHERE IS EVERYONE
and their "tips to defeat xin" were
1) If he comes at you in the jungle, run away!
2) Don't fight him unless you have your entire team with you!
3) NEVER 1v1 XIN
Oh of course! I'm not saying everyone's a good strategist by level 30, I'm saying people know enough about the game at that point to be able to say "that was pretty dumb of him"
I think I had thresh this game?
hook flay pew pew OMG QUINN PLS YOURE KILLING VALOR
I'd imagine with them thinking of allowing drops from V brackets that clamping MMR will be less of an issue.