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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Uh yeah...it's not gonna fix everything in a snap. But what universe are YOU living where not giving employees representation against their employers is NOT going to fix anything? Right now, if you're not in a union and your employer cuts off your insurance and cuts your pay 10% what exactly are you going to do to fight back against it?

    Find another job.

    Are you serious?

    Is this a real person?

    Yes.

    Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican Party.

    I didn't know the ability to participate in the labor market was now a part of the portfolio of a political party. If so, at least I chose the right one, it seems.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    don't get your hopes up for a Democratic house any time in the foreseeable future

    out of curiousity, do you have some rational that states that this will be because Democracy Works, rather than because state-level republicans have gerrymandered the districts beyond anything resembling sanity?

    obama supporters are too busy tweeting to vote in midterms

    even assuming this answer is in good faith, and you're not just being glib, that only covers the midterms

    "the forseeable future" includes the next general election as well, do you have a reason beyond aggressive gerrymandering to believe that a republican win in the house will remain inevitable?

    I just want to confirm that you are smugly applauding blatant vote manipulation

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »

    Wow holy shit. Nothing else at all has happened between 1918 and 2008 that could effect labor and class. Absolutely nothing. Excellent work Huffington Post, you fucking solved it.

    Glad we had this site available to us for reference

    Would you like to provide some examples maybe? Or just continue making snippy remarks with no evidence to back anything up?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization

    And you don't think it's any kind of correlation that as Unions have continued to decline, globalization and the subsequent income inequality has picked up speed? Or is that just another funny coincidence?

    I'm saying that Unions are a casualty of globalization. What universe are you living in where you think suddenly reintroducing unions into every aspect of the private sector is going to fix anything at all.

    It would be swimming against the tide of history. America is where it is because we understand and deal with the problem, unlike a lot of European countries which are in way harder times than us.

    Unions have gone down. That is not THE reason that you get paid less. It's the reason you are getting paid anything at all, as opposed to being fired.

    Unions, at their base level, are a factor for collective bargaining. If one Walmart employee says "hey, you pay us so little I'd be better off on welfare, but I don't want to be a drain on society, so how about a 10% payraise?", that employee would be fired SO FUCKING FAST they wouldn't even know how they ended up naked in the gutter outside their old store.

    If 30,000 Walmart employees all get together and do the same thing, with union lawyers backing them up, Walmart basically has to do the right thing and take a tiny hit to profits, or take a huge hit to profits while all their stores are inoperable due to strike action.

    The conservative anti-union propaganda does its level best to discredit unions throughout the general public as fronts for organised crime and socialism, because guess what? The Waltons want every red cent they can squeeze out of the company, because being the richest family in the world somehow isn't quite enough...

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    We pay more for Defense than the rest of the world combined.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    I find it funny Google is reminding me that today is the 123rd anniversary of Yosemite National Park, but its closed as of today due to government shut down.

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    A long history of borrowing to fuel economic and military growth.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    The rest of the world pays us to maintain the largest military on the planet, in the form of buying US treasury bonds, which is counted as debt.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    We pay more for Defense than the rest of the world combined.

    We also aren't in as much as you'd imagine from the rhetoric

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

    A good half of Europe has more debt than the US. Clearly we still have more than would be ideal.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    You know I have to say as someone who was one of those "Obama supporters", this clusterfuck has once again got me interested in voting.

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    One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
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    LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    Yeah I am not skipping midterms in 2014. Double bonus if we manage to kick out our ineffectual governor who couldn't pass a budget with control of BOTH state houses.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    We pay more for Defense than the rest of the world combined.

    We also aren't in as much as you'd imagine from the rhetoric

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

    A good half of Europe has more debt than the US. Clearly we still have more than would be ideal.

    Man the UK is in a lot of debt. But I'm not surprised we have more than the US.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    My brother skipped the 2010 midterms. Afterwards his response was, "NEVER. AGAIN."

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    nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    You deserve what you get if you skip midterms or any local election.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


    Canada is not really the model you should use when discussing how to do UHC.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


    Most people have no idea what they actually pay in taxes.

    At most, there may be a very tiny slice of low-middle income in the US where you could actually pay more than an equivalent Canadian

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    This is a good video to help explain some stuff with Healthcare in the US
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M

    Now, "Obamacare" really just wants to do two things from what I can tell: 1) Help people afford healthcare - they are doing this by tax cuts and making employers offer it to anyone who works more then 30 hours a week, they don't HAVE to take it but it has to be offered and the price is based on income.
    2) Create compition in the healthcare market to help lower prices

    I could be wrong, but hey that looks like a good idea right there

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


    Most people have no idea what they actually pay in taxes.

    At most, there may be a very tiny slice of low-middle income in the US where you could actually pay more than an equivalent Canadian

    And you can say that from any kind of a position of authority because?

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


    Combination of a massive, expensive military and an insanely inefficient health care system. Because of the lack of a large bargaining unit (in Canada's case, the federal government), American insurance companies pay orders of magnitude more for medicine, medical equipment and supplies than Canadian health care providers do, which in turn drives up costs all across the board.

    @SyphonBlue - it's worked pretty well for me and mine, so far.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    don't get your hopes up for a Democratic house any time in the foreseeable future

    out of curiousity, do you have some rational that states that this will be because Democracy Works, rather than because state-level republicans have gerrymandered the districts beyond anything resembling sanity?

    obama supporters are too busy tweeting to vote in midterms

    as are middle aged people

    and old people

    and poor people

    and every other section of the population

    pro-tip you can also tweet and vote at the same time and i hope you're still around so i can prove that to you in the midterms

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Some unions are still going strong and their members are better off for it. Tell me we would be having this minimum wage thing if your average wal-mart employee made what some grocery store union members make.

    If Wal-Mart employees made more money it would basically end Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's entire business model is selling cheaply made shit at as low of a price as possible. I hate to get all South Park on this but Wal-Mart is a monster of our own making. If people want Wal-Mart or any other minimum wage employee to make more money the only way it is economically viable is to force consumers to pay more for products.

    I buy my coffee from Starbucks because I know they give health benefits to even part-time employees (and do so without a union by the way). I also get my hair cut by a stylist at locally owned salon and tip her well because I know it's hard work and she deserves to be paid more than a Best Cuts employee. This is the only way the lesser skilled can earn a living. You can't just assume there's room for across the board minimum wage increases. You have to break the country's addiction to cheap shit.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


    Most people have no idea what they actually pay in taxes.

    At most, there may be a very tiny slice of low-middle income in the US where you could actually pay more than an equivalent Canadian

    And you can say that from any kind of a position of authority because?

    because the effective tax rate of most american citizens, especially under 100k/yr, is reasonably low, plus a lot of canadian territories have their own taxes as well, which are substantial compared to American states


    i'd be surprised, let's say

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    The worst part is, try cutting military spending even half of a billion dollars and you hate america and want all soliders to die. Cut education and public works? No problem.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Some unions are still going strong and their members are better off for it. Tell me we would be having this minimum wage thing if your average wal-mart employee made what some grocery store union members make.

    If Wal-Mart employees made more money it would basically end Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's entire business model is selling cheaply made shit at as low of a price as possible. I hate to get all South Park on this but Wal-Mart is a monster of our own making. If people want Wal-Mart or any other minimum wage employee to make more money the only way it is economically viable is to force consumers to pay more for products.

    I buy my coffee from Starbucks because I know they give health benefits to even part-time employees (and do so without a union by the way). I also get my hair cut by a stylist at locally owned salon and tip her well because I know it's hard work and she deserves to be paid more than a Best Cuts employee. This is the only way the lesser skilled can earn a living. You can't just assume there's room for across the board minimum wage increases. You have to break the country's addiction to cheap shit.

    Walmart made $20 billion profit last year. Their CEO was paid $21 million.

    I think they can afford to pay a living wage to their employees.

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    nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    I know that they're a tabloid but they did good on this today.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Some unions are still going strong and their members are better off for it. Tell me we would be having this minimum wage thing if your average wal-mart employee made what some grocery store union members make.

    If Wal-Mart employees made more money it would basically end Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's entire business model is selling cheaply made shit at as low of a price as possible. I hate to get all South Park on this but Wal-Mart is a monster of our own making. If people want Wal-Mart or any other minimum wage employee to make more money the only way it is economically viable is to force consumers to pay more for products.

    I buy my coffee from Starbucks because I know they give health benefits to even part-time employees (and do so without a union by the way). I also get my hair cut by a stylist at locally owned salon and tip her well because I know it's hard work and she deserves to be paid more than a Best Cuts employee. This is the only way the lesser skilled can earn a living. You can't just assume there's room for across the board minimum wage increases. You have to break the country's addiction to cheap shit.

    I'm not an economist or a mathmagician, but in that video I posted on the last page a senetor has a report by a guy who is both of those that says if minimum wage was increased to $10 your average McDonalds food combo would go up 4 cents. Thats it. I can pay an extra dollar for shoes at Wal-Mart, I'm ok with that.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Some unions are still going strong and their members are better off for it. Tell me we would be having this minimum wage thing if your average wal-mart employee made what some grocery store union members make.

    If Wal-Mart employees made more money it would basically end Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's entire business model is selling cheaply made shit at as low of a price as possible. I hate to get all South Park on this but Wal-Mart is a monster of our own making. If people want Wal-Mart or any other minimum wage employee to make more money the only way it is economically viable is to force consumers to pay more for products.

    I buy my coffee from Starbucks because I know they give health benefits to even part-time employees (and do so without a union by the way). I also get my hair cut by a stylist at locally owned salon and tip her well because I know it's hard work and she deserves to be paid more than a Best Cuts employee. This is the only way the lesser skilled can earn a living. You can't just assume there's room for across the board minimum wage increases. You have to break the country's addiction to cheap shit.

    Walmart made $20 billion profit last year. Their CEO was paid $21 million.

    I think they can afford to pay a living wage to their employees.

    Nah they should just find better jobs because...fucking hell I dunno bootstraps?

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok I have to ask and its probably a stupid question. I work for an American company (but as part of its EMEA business unit). I work with lots of American people and some of them are against Obamacare simply because the United States is in too much debt.

    How is the US in so much debt when they're NOT forking out for universal healthcare?

    I love the NHS but I appreciate that its as expensive as fuck to run and takes a big chunk out of the overall UK budget. To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the US doesn't have such a financial commitment.

    I had a discussion with an American friend about the cost of health care, and after being aghast at the cost of health insurance, I asked how much he saves in taxes compared to someone like myself in a socialist country like Canada. Turns out, we both make roughly the same amount of money, he pays more in taxes, and then he still needs to pay for outrageously expensive health insurance on top of that. GOD BLESS AMERICA

    How does that even work?


    Most people have no idea what they actually pay in taxes.

    At most, there may be a very tiny slice of low-middle income in the US where you could actually pay more than an equivalent Canadian

    And you can say that from any kind of a position of authority because?

    No he's probably right. Maybe some Americans of equivalent incomes have a higher marginal income tax rate but with all the other taxes Canadians on average pay far more. Not to mention the average cost of living is far higher in Canada.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    nuka wrote: »
    I know that they're a tabloid but they did good on this today.

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    Your right Daily News, I SHOULD play the lotto

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    Bucketman wrote: »
    Some unions are still going strong and their members are better off for it. Tell me we would be having this minimum wage thing if your average wal-mart employee made what some grocery store union members make.

    If Wal-Mart employees made more money it would basically end Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's entire business model is selling cheaply made shit at as low of a price as possible. I hate to get all South Park on this but Wal-Mart is a monster of our own making. If people want Wal-Mart or any other minimum wage employee to make more money the only way it is economically viable is to force consumers to pay more for products.

    I buy my coffee from Starbucks because I know they give health benefits to even part-time employees (and do so without a union by the way). I also get my hair cut by a stylist at locally owned salon and tip her well because I know it's hard work and she deserves to be paid more than a Best Cuts employee. This is the only way the lesser skilled can earn a living. You can't just assume there's room for across the board minimum wage increases. You have to break the country's addiction to cheap shit.

    I'm not an economist or a mathmagician, but in that video I posted on the last page a senetor has a report by a guy who is both of those that says if minimum wage was increased to $10 your average McDonalds food combo would go up 4 cents. Thats it. I can pay an extra dollar for shoes at Wal-Mart, I'm ok with that.

    Like when the Papa Johns CEO said he refused to give his employees health care because it would raise the price of pizza 15 cents.

    Uh...okay?

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    I know this probably has no weight at all with this crowd but...

    Wal-mart uses their profit margin to pay out huge dividends to their shareholders

    It does not go into a vault.

    It goes back into the economy, to everyone who owns the company, including a lot of non-wealthy people, and frankly probably a lot of full-time store associates too, at least in small measure

    Unlike some companies like, say, Apple

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    nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    http://www.businessinsider.com/what-a-walmart-wage-hike-would-cost-you-2013-7
    Wal-Mart said last week that it would halt plans to open stores in D.C. because of a minimum-wage hike that would mandate a minimum hourly pay of $12.50.
    Executives said the pay increase would drive up prices for consumers.

    So how much would a higher minimum wage cost shoppers at Walmart?

    About 46 cents per trip, reports Caroline Fairchild at The Huffington Post.

    That figure is based on a 2011 study by CUNY's Stephanie Luce and University of California Berkeley's Ken Jacobs and Dave Graham-Squire.

    "Even if Wal-Mart decided to pass 100 percent of the cost on to customers, store prices would still only increase by 1.1%," Fairchild writes.

    Because the average customer spends $1,200 per year, that would amount to about $12 annually.

    A Wal-Mart spokesperson said that anyone who thought price increases would be small had "limited understanding of how a business operates."

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    This is a good video to help explain some stuff with Healthcare in the US
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M

    You know this video is funny because the reason he gives for healthcare being so high is also the reason quite a few of the articles I read give for college costs being so high.

    Hell, a lot of people are comparing the college debt to what happened with the housing bubble a decade or so ago.

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    DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    I just moved to America from Australia

    I pay almost the exact same tax

    And all I get for it is all this Freedom

    Read my blog about AMERICA and THE BAY AREA

    https://medium.com/@alascii
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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    I have known 2 Wal-Mart store managers. Both complaigned about lack of stock options and one even took over a failing store and made it one of the best in the state. He made less then 45k a year.

    And no, I do not excuse companies like Apple, they have overseas factories with awful conditions and are just as bad if not worse then wal-mart and their ilk.

    Basically our laws openly allow coporations to fuck us. This is America and they should be free to choose to do business where they want, but we should be trying to make them want to do it here, and we should be holding them responsible for their retail level at least.

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    HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    DodgeBlan wrote: »
    I just moved to America from Australia

    I pay almost the exact same tax

    And all I get for it is all this Freedom

    Didn't they give you a pair of bootstraps to pull up on when you got off the plane?

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Jasconius wrote: »
    I know this probably has no weight at all with this crowd but...

    Wal-mart uses their profit margin to pay out huge dividends to their shareholders

    It does not go into a vault.

    It goes back into the economy, to everyone who owns the company, including a lot of non-wealthy people, and frankly probably a lot of full-time store associates too, at least in small measure

    Unlike some companies like, say, Apple

    Might pick a better example next time.

    LTM on
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