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Government 2.0: Digital Boogaloo

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    NeoToma wrote: »
    It's good to have voices from the other side of the asile to debate against.

    This thread being a complete echo chamber isn't really useful or satisfying.

    The other side of the aisle is only interested in pooping down chimneys.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    See I have not said what I am referring to but you have filled my mouth with lots of anti-republican speak that I never spoke

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Tell the president

    if I don't get what I want

    I will be forced to poop down this chimney.

    I don't want to poop down this chimney

    it would be horrible for America

    it would be horrible for me

    sootbutt is a real problem that affects us all

    but if I don't get what I want

    this chimney

    its gettin' pooped in.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    See I have not said what I am referring to but you have filled my mouth with lots of anti-republican speak that I never spoke

    What does it taste like?

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  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    Look I'm just here for the pie

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Ignoring people on political grounds is why we are at the sorry state of things we have at present.

    If anything, you and Jasc should both be trying to see each other's points and, while you don't have to agree, acknowledge that there are legitimate feelings and beliefs behind them or, if they are based on fallacious information, express that clearly and openly without vitriol.

    zerzhul
  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    I'm just going to point out that it's explicitly against the rules to accuse people of trolling or calling them a troll.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    It's not even written into the rules. It's a loophole, an inconceivable problem that shouldn't occur with functioning congress. Looking at something that is considerably damaging to the long term stability and health of the nation as a tool for short term political points is a detriment to all parties and political goals.

    If this shutdown leads to the US dollar losing international reserve currency status, which it could with a default (or, more likely, be a major contributing factor to the Euro or the Yuan taking that role over the next 10-15 years) that would make both parties in the shit as we lose our economic hegemony and have to rely more and more on our military hardware to preserve our international status.

  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    This is what happens when you let unlimited money flow into politics.

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    I'm just going to point out that it's explicitly against the rules to accuse people of trolling or calling them a troll.
    you are correct and that is my bad and i apologize

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  • PeenPeen tw1tch0rz occasionallyRegistered User regular
    Just speaking for me, I don't think this kind of economic brinkmanship is responsible governance. I just don't. There are other ways to make a point and a whole host of other legislative processes that you can use to work out the kinks of a law that you don't like.

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    Eh, the debt limit has to be one of the dumbest fucking ideas our glorious system of checks and balances has ever had but it ain't a loophole. Although in my completely inconsequential opinion it's unconstitutional.

  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason.

    "Give me what I want or I blow up the country" is not a workable strategy for the survival of a Democracy.

    Not like "oh that's rude" unworkable. Like "end of the American Empire, world in chaos, financial ruin across every first world economy" unworkable.

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited October 2013
    Regardless of changing the views of one outspoken person that clearly has an opposing viewpoint, I think that the conversation takes place is important for potentially changing the minds of people on the fence (edit: or people who are still malleable, regardless of their current position). Debates don't just occur for the participants, they're often for the bystanders.

    zerzhul on
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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

    Obama was elected too--

    What demands does he get to make for not blowing up the country?

    Maybe we should start a list of suggestions.

    Two goats enter, one car leaves
  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    look, it's not like jasc is sitting in here, insulting people's mothers

    he's expressing an opposing political position in a thread that's highly hostile to his point of view

    occasionally, he makes a point that's worth listening to. more often, he's playing devil's advocate in the echo chamber and making people reconsider their preconceptions

    if you want to express your opinion on a serious subject, you should always be ready to defend it against challenges. if you aren't, you should think about what that means

    Snowbeat on
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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    I am willing right now to call John Boehner and tell him to end this if one of you can convince Barack Obama to agree to start pronouncing "Pakistan" as "Pack-ih-stan" instead of "Pocky-Stan"

    You have the power, SE++

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    but pocky is delicious

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  • LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Jasconius wrote: »
    I am willing right now to call John Boehner and tell him to end this if one of you can convince Barack Obama to agree to start pronouncing "Pakistan" as "Pack-ih-stan" instead of "Pocky-Stan"

    You have the power, SE++

    Finally, a Jasconius post I can agree on completely and without inhibition

    Somehow that pronounciation grates on me worse than nuke-u-lur

    Ledneh on
    Kadith wrote: »
    how do i get off [the bus], do i just start screaming
    well that'll get me off at least.
  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

    Obama was elected too--

    What demands does he get to make for not blowing up the country?

    Maybe we should start a list of suggestions.

    The Souls of the Koch brothers?

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    i am not saying having a republican in the thread is bad

    that is no what i am saying nor is it what i have ever said nor did i say you should never engage him or if i did or implied that it's not what i meant

    my point is that at a lot of times i question his sincerity, and a post at the end of the thread i saw in response to him said "christ you're a piece of work"

    and so i wanted to ask the question

    why not just ignore him instead of letting him ruffle your feathers because this is literally what he always does

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  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

    Obama was elected too--

    What demands does he get to make for not blowing up the country?

    Maybe we should start a list of suggestions.

    The Souls of the Koch brothers?

    Seems like a bad idea to demand something that doesn't exist

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    i am not saying having a republican in the thread is bad

    that is no what i am saying nor is it what i have ever said nor did i say you should never engage him or if i did or implied that it's not what i meant

    my point is that at a lot of times i question his sincerity, and a post at the end of the thread i saw in response to him said "christ you're a piece of work"

    and so i wanted to ask the question

    why not just ignore him instead of letting him ruffle your feathers because this is literally what he always does

    because it's good to have your feathers ruffled once in a while?

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    i do not see getting annoyed/frustrated/angry as productive

    that is my point

    that is my whole point

    i do not think jasc is a bad person

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

    Obama was elected too--

    What demands does he get to make for not blowing up the country?

    Maybe we should start a list of suggestions.

    The Souls of the Koch brothers?

    And a unicorn

    also a sandwich

    and John Boehner has to wear a dress every day for the rest of 2013

    and Firefly comes back, but its good not bad and if its bad we force Joss to try again

    and vests are popular again.

    DEAR REPUBLICANS do all of the above or I will be forced to make the country explode, even though I don't want to and it would be super bad and I never would ever do that but you're making me do it.

    Love,

    - President Obama.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    Just speaking for me, I don't think this kind of economic brinkmanship is responsible governance. I just don't. There are other ways to make a point and a whole host of other legislative processes that you can use to work out the kinks of a law that you don't like.

    And this is the other side of things. Correct and legal governance would be gaining enough seats to further your agenda in 2014 and 2016, first with the Senate and then the Presidency. That is the actual, written and established means of passing, repealing, and modifying law. The only reasons this isn't the norm at present are if:

    1) The party against the law doesn't believe it can or will ever gain sufficient political seating to do so
    2) The party against the law doesn't believe it will maintain political mood to retain an anti-law stance with their constituency long term.
    3) The party against the law believes there is a clear and eminent danger to the United States inherent in the law and cannot possibly wait the usual time frame for repeal or modification (re-next two to four years).

    Options 1 and 2 are what the left is claiming is the case, option 3 is what the right is claiming is the case. If option 3 is correct, then there would need to be a clear and definable reason why the following is true:

    A) What is the danger?
    B) What about this danger is specifically time sensitive over the next two to four years?
    C) What about this danger over that time frame is sufficient that the regular rules of order in congress should be ignored?
    D) What about this danger is greater than the economic and infrastructure damages and uncertainty of a government shutdown and a potential default?

    Keeping in mind that the Supreme Court already answered part of this, I'd be interested in seeing a serious response to A-D if this is the argument presented by why House Republicans must, right now, repeal the ACA in part or entirety.

  • SticksSticks Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Solar wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

    Obama was elected too--

    What demands does he get to make for not blowing up the country?

    Maybe we should start a list of suggestions.

    He can make whatever demands he wants. He can blow the country up literally, not just economically (assuming people carried out orders, which, hopefully, they wouldn't).

    Sticks on
  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    i am not saying having a republican in the thread is bad

    that is no what i am saying nor is it what i have ever said nor did i say you should never engage him or if i did or implied that it's not what i meant

    my point is that at a lot of times i question his sincerity, and a post at the end of the thread i saw in response to him said "christ you're a piece of work"

    and so i wanted to ask the question

    why not just ignore him instead of letting him ruffle your feathers because this is literally what he always does

    That was me!

    And it was in response to the fact that Jasc looooves to put words in people's mouths so that he can place them in a nice neat category that opposes him

    Doesn't really have anything to do with his republican-ness though

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i do not see getting annoyed/frustrated/angry as productive

    all those angry posts get buckets of agrees

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    Jumping through lots of dumb hoops to get something fixed with my health insurance. Maaaaan

    Since I'm eligible for paying for it through my dad's military service, I only get to keep it for another 5 months anyway.

    Glad obamacare stuff is finally rolling out

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Sticks wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Being elected doesn't make using national debt as a weapon excusable, just possible.

    Just because it is written in the rules does not make it right, as you well know.

    Obama was elected too--

    What demands does he get to make for not blowing up the country?

    Maybe we should start a list of suggestions.

    He can make whatever demands he wants. He can blow the country up literally, not just economically (assuming people carried out orders, which, hopefully, they wouldn't).

    Also the Senate

    they get to filibuster stuff

    so I guess they get a long list of demands for not blowing up the country too

    This is obviously a viable long-term strategy for the survival of a first world country.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    i am not saying having a republican in the thread is bad

    that is no what i am saying nor is it what i have ever said nor did i say you should never engage him or if i did or implied that it's not what i meant

    my point is that at a lot of times i question his sincerity, and a post at the end of the thread i saw in response to him said "christ you're a piece of work"

    and so i wanted to ask the question

    why not just ignore him instead of letting him ruffle your feathers because this is literally what he always does

    That was me!

    And it was in response to the fact that Jasc looooves to put words in people's mouths so that he can place them in a nice neat category that opposes him

    Doesn't really have anything to do with his republican-ness though

    nor does my point
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i do not see getting annoyed/frustrated/angry as productive

    all those angry posts get buckets of agrees

    well as mentioned, echo chambers are not productive either

    i am not suggesting we make it an echo chamber

    i am suggesting we keep our posters in perspective

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  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore? If a group of people, not even a majority in their own party, can just go "nope not happening" when something they don't like is brought up, how does the government even continue to function? Nothing of any importance would ever get enacted unless it was universally approved, and nothing ever is universally approved, ever.

    People have posted stories about approval of republicans dropping because of this, but is that true in the places that elected these tea party guys? The people that voted for them are probably fucking psyched about all this. What if the repubs that aren't in the tea party are the ones to lose their seats? Would the people that stop voting for them jump parties, or would they just vote for whatever R challenges them? What if that person is in the TP?

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Again, all I can think of when I see the title of this thread.

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  • TamTam Le Buggeur Risible Registered User regular
    Ledneh wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    I am willing right now to call John Boehner and tell him to end this if one of you can convince Barack Obama to agree to start pronouncing "Pakistan" as "Pack-ih-stan" instead of "Pocky-Stan"

    You have the power, SE++

    Finally, a Jasconius post I can agree on completely and without inhibition

    Somehow that pronounciation grates on me worse than nuke-u-lur

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  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore? If a group of people, not even a majority in their own party, can just go "nope not happening" when something they don't like is brought up, how does the government even continue to function? Nothing of any importance would ever get enacted unless it was universally approved, and nothing ever is universally approved, ever.

    There are tons of people who believe that if we just think really really hard we can come to a consensus about everything and have a perfect society.

    It's bizarre.

  • TamTam Le Buggeur Risible Registered User regular
    I mean
    it's correct-er

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »

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