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Government 2.0: Digital Boogaloo

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    I am willing right now to call John Boehner and tell him to end this if one of you can convince Barack Obama to agree to start pronouncing "Pakistan" as "Pack-ih-stan" instead of "Pocky-Stan"

    You have the power, SE++

    Pockystan, a country dedicated to delicious cookie sticks covered in delicious flavored coatings, sounds like a wonderful place.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    i was going to link an onion article in here but ffffffffffffffffffffff
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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    Also

    Navigating your way through the maze that is a government robot telephone menu to get to an actual human being is an exercise in madness

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    all right

    is there any legal way that the president can order the government back to work, short of declaring martial law?

    because i am not cool with apocalyptic plagues getting started because of political deadlock

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  • LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Oh, good, and here I am eating some fresh cooked chicken thighs, that's not raising my already stratospheric stress levels at all




    damn good thighs though. mmm, paprika and garlic

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    how do i get off [the bus], do i just start screaming
    well that'll get me off at least.
  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell CharlottesvilleRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

    the larger context is that the U.S. is facing a huge demographic shift while also dealing with globalization head-on. what should be happening is the U.S. valuing high-tech industries and advanced education to compete and lead. instead, we're stuck squabbling on how to fund those efforts less while continuing to watch our infrastructure age and crumble.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Enc wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

    What we need is the polar opposite of what we have in controlling parties

    Mitt Romney in the Oval Office, a republican senate, and a democratic house

    democrats are such wheenies they'll never shut anything down

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  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    And I was going to have chicken tonight, dammit.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    all right

    is there any legal way that the president can order the government back to work, short of declaring martial law?

    because i am not cool with apocalyptic plagues getting started because of political deadlock

    I don't know, it has a pleasingly stupid feel to it, something like this precipitating the omega plague seems like it'd be thematically consistent

  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

    What we need is the polar opposite of what we have in controlling parties

    Mitt Romney in the Oval Office, a republican senate, and a democratic house

    democrats are such wheenies they'll never shut anything down

    IVE SOLVED BRINKSMANSHIP

    If that were the case I would be arguing the exact same point, Jasc. This isn't good governance. It isn't about party, it's about having a functioning government both on Capitol Hill and in your local community. What about the possibility of American collapse due to this don't you understand or agree with, specifically?

  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Real talk time Jasc ignores all points that specifically ask him for specific responses to things we specifically already know and have quotes and videos of republicans to back up the specific points we (and I use the royal we because I haven't made one single productive post in these threads)

    He doesn't say anything

    He ignores the posts that explicitly prove him wrong and quotes other posts and says more dumb things

    This is not political affiliation

    This is a troll at best and an actual republican at worst

    Why guys

    Why

    There were a whole bunch of posts at the end of that compared republicans so some sort of murders or criminals of something, I didn't reply to each one of those sorry

    I wish I had the time to respond to every individual post, which come at a rate of about 10-15 posts for every post I make, but I do actually have a job to do


    However, I hope you are all sitting down for this. YoSoWalrus is right, I made a bad, bad misreading of the corporate mandate and I was wrong about it. He is right, uncovered corporate workers will be required to use the exchanges

    If the GOP's private transcript is to only block the CR to halt Obamacare on the basis of the individual mandate, then that is wrong, however I don't think that's the real goal of GOP leadership
    those are not what I was referring to

    you actively say things that do not jive with reality and when presented with evidence that this is the case, you ignore the post and move on to another one that has less support at the moment

    I am not referring to the murderers comments

    maybe if I feel like putting my back into it I'll go grab the posts im talking about to show you.

    But I also think you know exactly what I'm talking about

    If you're talking about the use of the debt limit as a weapon then I don't know what else to tell you. The GOP has a right to do that. They were elected. The house has been empowered with that ability. It's that way for a reason. They take major political risks by doing it. There've been 17 shutdowns, only 2 at the hands of a Republican speaker, so they hardly invented it. That it has only happened twice since 95 has more to do with political coincidence than anything.

    What I'd appreciate is a little more debate substance than a careful mixture of "well they only have the house because of gerrymandering" and "it's a law so they should just roll over"

    yes, the GOP should do exactly nothing because you don't like them, sorry dawg, I'm not eager to debate you on those terms

    Well they only have the house because of gerrymandering

    and

    well

    it is a law so they should just roll over

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

    the larger context is that the U.S. is facing a huge demographic shift while also dealing with globalization head-on. what should be happening is the U.S. valuing high-tech industries and advanced education to compete and lead. instead, we're stuck squabbling on how to fund those efforts less while continuing to watch our infrastructure age and crumble.

    you don't need to fund "high-tech industry"

    what you need is a business climate that makes it conducive for American companies to compete without having to have a Brinks truck pull up from the US Treasury every month to make payroll

    When I read liberals talk about "high-tech", I now assume that's just code for "green energy"

    Which I am for, but not the way the Dems want to do it, propping up specific companies. Send that money to Universities, let the foundational research be done there instead of giving it to Elon Musk so he can buy a second mega-yacht.

  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    How does the US feel about Pies v Cake?

    Barcardi on
  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    eating chicken #yolo

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Barcardi wrote: »
    How does the US feel about Pies v Cake?

    Most people I know say Pie

    They are, in fact, cripplingly insane

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell CharlottesvilleRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

    What we need is the polar opposite of what we have in controlling parties

    Mitt Romney in the Oval Office, a republican senate, and a democratic house

    democrats are such wheenies they'll never shut anything down

    IVE SOLVED BRINKSMANSHIP

    with that formula the Senate republicans would be less radical, and we'd end up at least with a more (relatively) moderate legislative agenda.

    problem is, the GOP have done such a good job attacking women, people of color, and LGBTQ folks that this configuration likely won't happen, well, ever. not unless women, people of color, and LGBTQ folks all leave for Canada.
    Harper's gonna have a fit

    the problem is partly the two party system, but the larger problem is the hard-right Tea Party in the House. the same thing would be true if there was an extremist wing of the Democratic party.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    And again, context is important here. This isn't shutting down the government because one party wants to make some disastrous decision to institute slavery, or declare nuclear war, or fund a law which will immediately and irrevocable damage American lives. The only difference between whats is asked and what is going on is a delay in people getting healthcare which really, the potential negative impacts on jobs and the economy that Republicans have stated they fear are 10-50 years down the line. Plenty of time before they start to occur to gain back the House, Senate, and Presidency or enough of those two to correct or repeal the law through traditional, constitutional means.

  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    Barcardi wrote: »
    How does the US feel about Pies v Cake?

    "Both, please"

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  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    Barcardi wrote: »
    How does the US feel about Pies v Cake?

    Pie all the way because of the crust.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    And I was going to have chicken tonight, dammit.

    Damn, now you're going to have to cook it instead of eating it raw.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Barcardi wrote: »
    How does the US feel about Pies v Cake?

    Pie all the way because of the crust.

    I'm sorry sir

    He's convinced pie is better than cake

    Euthanasia is the only option

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  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    Do cakes have buttery, flaky crusts?
    I don't think so.
    They just have mushy bread.

  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »

    If that were the case I would be arguing the exact same point, Jasc. This isn't good governance. It isn't about party, it's about having a functioning government both on Capitol Hill and in your local community. What about the possibility of American collapse due to this don't you understand or agree with, specifically?

    Define collapse. The US Dollar not being a reserve currency? That would require default and default will not happen. The threat of default however frequent is not the same as default. Even a shitty US bond is still really really really good compared to almost any alternative.

  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    cheesecakes fall into the cake category

    so

    i think i'm going to have to go with cakes, sorry

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  • Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt DON'T call me annie... unless you're my friendRegistered User regular
    through extensive personal reflection and treat-sampling, I have discovered what I love above both pies and frosting-y cakes are olive-oil based cakes

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Do cakes have buttery, flaky crusts?
    I don't think so.
    They just have mushy bread.

    I will never understand in all my years why flaky is ever a positive

    It just gets everywhere

    Also, I'm allergic to like half of pies, so they are the far more discriminatory foodstuff

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  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    And I was going to have chicken tonight, dammit.

    Damn, now you're going to have to cook it instead of eating it raw.

    I'm not the one thats going to be cooking it though. The dude at the fried chicken place is.

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell CharlottesvilleRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    turtleant wrote: »
    If this works, and the Tea Party gets what they want, what is the fucking point of voting on laws anymore?

    That's basically why the President's position is "fuck off, you get nothing, give me a clean bill or go home."

    Also the only viable solution if you're interested in the continued health and prosperity of the United States of America.

    This is the tragedy here. If there is compromise in this fashion, the house and senate are broken in their correct state forever. Nothing can pass so long as the minority isn't happy, and the shutdowns will cripple our capabilities internationally and at home. Look at BBC or any other international news organization, every country watching us is baffled and alarmed. This sort of event is how republics literally have failed and fallen apart over history.

    That won't happen to that extent here, not right away, but if this becomes common use than fringe on both sides will start using it every year and that will end the US as we know it.

    the larger context is that the U.S. is facing a huge demographic shift while also dealing with globalization head-on. what should be happening is the U.S. valuing high-tech industries and advanced education to compete and lead. instead, we're stuck squabbling on how to fund those efforts less while continuing to watch our infrastructure age and crumble.

    you don't need to fund "high-tech industry"

    what you need is a business climate that makes it conducive for American companies to compete without having to have a Brinks truck pull up from the US Treasury every month to make payroll

    When I read liberals talk about "high-tech", I now assume that's just code for "green energy"

    Which I am for, but not the way the Dems want to do it, propping up specific companies. Send that money to Universities, let the foundational research be done there instead of giving it to Elon Musk so he can buy a second mega-yacht.

    except that the "free market" inherently tries to knock down tech that could lead the way.

    Elon Musk is actually a great example. right now the traditional auto makers are doing their damndest to sue Elon Musk's Tesla operations out of existence. they're also lobbying as hard as they can to make Tesla's model of direct sales completely impossible. the auto industry fears any disruption in their profits, and their shareholders support that fear and any effort to cut into their own dividends.

    and then on "green" energy, what's really needed is a diversification of energy. the world's incredible dependence on oil feeds a terrible market and fuels unrest. and yet oil corporations lobby and litigate as hard as they can to retain profits and put down anything that could break their hold. shareholders support that because, in the short term, an energy monopoly guarantees profits. no one's looking at the long term, where diversified energy sources could solve a lot of problems, not just pollution, but costs and geopolitical problems arising from oil.

    and last, i'd support funding universities and colleges on research, but that's not what's happening. the GOP has been sounding the trumpet for defunding education generally.

    the free market is ok in the sense that it provides a driver for society, but it is also terrible in the sense that the main incentive is to make money as quickly and as cheaply as possible, with little regard for the long term consequences or for big-picture societal goals. Gov't regulation and legislation is necessary to balance pure market corporatism.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »

    If that were the case I would be arguing the exact same point, Jasc. This isn't good governance. It isn't about party, it's about having a functioning government both on Capitol Hill and in your local community. What about the possibility of American collapse due to this don't you understand or agree with, specifically?

    Define collapse. The US Dollar not being a reserve currency? That would require default and default will not happen. The threat of default however frequent is not the same as default. Even a shitty US bond is still really really really good compared to almost any alternative.

    Collapse of continuing our government effectively. Increased quantities of furloughed employees and shut down parks, permits and services. This shutdown is costing the US taxpayers millions every day that business is on hold waiting for employees to function. The FBI, NSA, and Military have all expressed that our abilities to defend ourselves and perform basic peacekeeping operations have been massively diminished. Research at universities across the country has been immediately stopped as grant payments were put on hold pending the shutdown completion. Our credit rating may well be downgraded again which would damage markets and will be another contributing factor to economic shift in the reserve currency.

    I agree with you that the likelihood of the currency shifting short term is slim to none, but these sort of things happening every year for the next ten years will certainly cause most nations and investors to look elsewhere. After this continues for a reasonable time frame, the Euro, Yuan, Yen, or Pound might become the reserve currency.

    You are looking at this short term. Yes there are problems with both sides. Yes there are problems with the ACA. No this isn't the way to fix it.

  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    i by and large do not like cake, not a fan of the majority of frostings and find cake itself to be a little boring most of the time

    exceptions:

    lemon cake with lemon frosting
    ice cream cake [specifically cheesecake named desire from cold stone, it is what i ask for every birthday]
    the aforementioned cheesecake
    tres leches
    and there's this one cake i find at a birthday party or gathering every once in a while that is just ridiculously soft yellow and just a touch mushy and always has this light creamy delicious white frosting but i don't know what it's called and never ask

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    i do not like cupcakes

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Fuck all this
    I'm gonna jerk it and then take a nap and then get drunk

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    i by and large do not like cake, not a fan of the majority of frostings and find cake itself to be a little boring most of the time

    exceptions:

    lemon cake with lemon frosting
    ice cream cake [specifically cheesecake named desire from cold stone, it is what i ask for every birthday]
    the aforementioned cheesecake
    tres leches
    and there's this one cake i find at a birthday party or gathering every once in a while that is just ridiculously soft yellow and just a touch mushy and always has this light creamy delicious white frosting but i don't know what it's called and never ask

    Butterscotch icing

    Caramel icing

    Get better icing

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    bry bry have you had red velvet

  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    bry bry have you had red velvet

    i have indeed, but much like carrot cake, i'm mostly there for the cream cheese frosting

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  • crwthcrwth THAT'S IT Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Fuck all this
    I'm gonna jerk it and then take a nap and then get drunk

    TUESDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS!

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  • minirhyderminirhyder BerlinRegistered User regular
    minirhyder wrote: »
    Do cakes have buttery, flaky crusts?
    I don't think so.
    They just have mushy bread.

    I will never understand in all my years why flaky is ever a positive

    It just gets everywhere

    Also, I'm allergic to like half of pies, so they are the far more discriminatory foodstuff

    Flaky just goes together with buttery, and I don't think I should explain to anyone why buttery is a good thing.

    Also can you have a meat cake? No. No you cannot. That's disgusting.

    You can though have a meat pie.
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    Or a veggie pie.
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    A fruit pie.
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    A cream pie.
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    You can also have a cheese pie, similar to a danish, except with better crust.
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    Anything goes for pies.

  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    well

    cream cheese IS delicious

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