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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Darmak wrote: »
    What's the selling point of papers please?
    Its message isn't puerile escapist shit like the message in basically every video game that has bothered to have a story since the invention of the medium.

    But puerile escapist shit is what I'm looking for so
    In that case Papers, Please isn't a good choice.
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    What's the selling point of papers please?
    Its message isn't puerile escapist shit like the message in basically every video game that has bothered to have a story since the invention of the medium.

    Uh, what? That's kind of a ridiculous statement.
    If someone gave you 30 seconds you could probably name more truly meaningful books off the top of your head than there are truly meaningful games for sale on Steam.

    I'm not really sure I could name all that many "truly meaningful" books as is. Or at least books you'd agree are meaningful. I could name books and games that had meaning to me, but I honestly doubt either would meet your exacting standards.

    Steam ID: Right here.
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Yeah, but at least Paper's Please was mechanically engaging.

    Which is more than I can say for Bioshock.

  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Yeah, but at least Paper's Please was mechanically engaging.

    Which is more than I can say for Bioshock.

    I enjoyed the mechanics in Bioshock :<

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Yeah, but at least Paper's Please was mechanically engaging.

    Which is more than I can say for Bioshock.

    I enjoyed the mechanics in Bioshock :<

    Eh, they're just really janky to me. It's just like The Elder Scrolls where it's this really mixed up combination of an RPG and an action game and can't quite decide which it wants to be.

  • Mr. Mojo RisinMr. Mojo Risin Registered User regular
    Ok classy Ladies and Gentlemen my Birthday is coming soon and I may or may not have spent the last couple months of inactivity stockpiling large quantities of bundles and odds and ends to give away Hobbit style. I have one small problem though, I have no idea how I'm going to go about choosing recipients and so on.

    So heres the plan, I am hosting a contest to come up with a contest. Yes thats right you submit ideas for a contest for me to run to give all of this away and in return I give the winner first crack at the list of games/bundles.

    Going to update this every day or so to make sure everyone sees it. I've decided to have the initial contest run till the 20th of October and then when I pick the winning entry that contest will run until my Birthday. Ive compiled what I think is a complete list of what will be up for grabs:

    Bastion
    Brutal Legend
    FTL
    Mark of the Ninja
    Two Worlds 2 + DLC
    Knights of pen and paper
    Crusader Kings 2
    Ether Vapor Remaster
    Warlock Master of the Arcane
    Dungeonland
    Europa Universalis 3 Complete
    The Showdown Effect
    Medal of Honor
    Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 - Uprising
    Gratuitous Space Battles
    Democracy 2
    Darksiders
    Red Faction: Armageddon + DLC
    Metro 2033, Risen, and Sacred Citadel Bundle
    Indie Gala Flashpoint Bundle
    Humble Focus Interactive Bundle Beat the average

    Plus there might be a few more bonus items and some origin keys up for grabs and maybe some stuff I missed!

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  • Edgler VessEdgler Vess Registered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »

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    Winner: @Edgler Vess

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    Winner x2!: @Edgler Vess

    Gifts are sent. Please remember to mark the gift as received on Steamgifts when you have a moment.

    Wow, awesome, as I mentioned before thanks a lot Iolo, very classy. I played the first Mafia a while ago but never got around to picking up the second, I remember most of the vehicles handling like garbage trucks, but I think that was the idea. Was an entertaining game though, this one should be good. Thanks a ton!

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    Alright guys, it's my birthday today and that seems like a good reason to give something away. I won Gunpoint from @an_alt shortly after it released and loved it. So now that I have some money to spend and want to celebrate, one of you can play it as well. I hope you like it as much as I did!

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  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
    Civ 5: brave new world is 10 usd on Newegg
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0sMQdDQ_EeO8NlYxOiZJxg0_a.Ck3_KPP_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16832205116&cm_sp=

    If you use the code: EMCWXWW235

    only works with a US credit card though .. any similar deals for EU?

  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    So today I get a friend request from @Orivon and I was definitely not expecting what quickly followed acceptance. Namely a copy of Remember Me, which I certainly will as I've really been looking forward to playing this game. It looks like a sumptuous piece of world building.

    Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it!

  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If someone gave you 30 seconds you could probably name more truly meaningful books off the top of your head than there are truly meaningful games for sale on Steam.

    You still just cast a blanket over pretty much every game ever. Even limited to Steam, offhand I can think of Analogue(a critique on male-dominated societies).

    Outside of that I could name plenty.

    Braid, Bioshock, Dear Esther, Hotline Miami, Gone Home, Spec-Ops: The Line, and To The Moon off the top of my head.
    William Faulkner alone wrote more novels than you've listed games. And as much as I absolutely adore games like Gone Home (I'm the OP of our thread for it!) and Bioshock, I think you'd pretty much have to be kidding yourself if you think they're telling stories of the kind of quality it would take to get games taken seriously by someone who standards weren't "it needs to be better than Call of Duty." I think this article in the LA Review of Books on Gone Home sums it up pretty well: no matter how amazing of a game it is, the emotional core of that story and the maturity with which it's told is at about the level of young adult fiction. This is not to say it's bad (it's a great game!) but it's clearly not competing with Hemingway or something. There are very few games that can do that, and even fewer of them are on Steam. So that is a reason to buy Papers, Please (just as it's a reason to buy Cart Life or Kentucky Route Zero or maybe Dear Esther).

  • CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    Had jjjjjjuuuust enough in my wallet to pick up Papers, Please.

    A new game to play! Huzzah!

  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    Why must Papers Please be on sale? So tempted, but the two biggest sales of the year will be soon. Surely it will get cheaper.

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If someone gave you 30 seconds you could probably name more truly meaningful books off the top of your head than there are truly meaningful games for sale on Steam.

    You still just cast a blanket over pretty much every game ever. Even limited to Steam, offhand I can think of Analogue(a critique on male-dominated societies).

    Outside of that I could name plenty.

    Braid, Bioshock, Dear Esther, Hotline Miami, Gone Home, Spec-Ops: The Line, and To The Moon off the top of my head.
    William Faulkner alone wrote more novels than you've listed games. And as much as I absolutely adore games like Gone Home (I'm the OP of our thread for it!) and Bioshock, I think you'd pretty much have to be kidding yourself if you think they're telling stories of the kind of quality it would take to get games taken seriously by someone who standards weren't "it needs to be better than Call of Duty." I think this article in the LA Review of Books on Gone Home sums it up pretty well: no matter how amazing of a game it is, the emotional core of that story and the maturity with which it's told is at about the level of young adult fiction. This is not to say it's bad (it's a great game!) but it's clearly not competing with Hemingway or something. There are very few games that can do that, and even fewer of them are on Steam. So that is a reason to buy Papers, Please (just as it's a reason to buy Cart Life or Kentucky Route Zero or maybe Dear Esther).

    Because comparing the 30 some years of modern gaming to the thousands of years of literature or even the 100+ years of modern literature is really a fair comparison.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Alegis wrote: »
    Civ 5: brave new world is 10 usd on Newegg
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0sMQdDQ_EeO8NlYxOiZJxg0_a.Ck3_KPP_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16832205116&cm_sp=

    If you use the code: EMCWXWW235

    only works with a US credit card though .. any similar deals for EU?

    Still really mad that I missed the borderlands 2 GOTY for <$20. Damnit @iolo!

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If someone gave you 30 seconds you could probably name more truly meaningful books off the top of your head than there are truly meaningful games for sale on Steam.

    You still just cast a blanket over pretty much every game ever. Even limited to Steam, offhand I can think of Analogue(a critique on male-dominated societies).

    Outside of that I could name plenty.

    Braid, Bioshock, Dear Esther, Hotline Miami, Gone Home, Spec-Ops: The Line, and To The Moon off the top of my head.
    William Faulkner alone wrote more novels than you've listed games. And as much as I absolutely adore games like Gone Home (I'm the OP of our thread for it!) and Bioshock, I think you'd pretty much have to be kidding yourself if you think they're telling stories of the kind of quality it would take to get games taken seriously by someone who standards weren't "it needs to be better than Call of Duty." I think this article in the LA Review of Books on Gone Home sums it up pretty well: no matter how amazing of a game it is, the emotional core of that story and the maturity with which it's told is at about the level of young adult fiction. This is not to say it's bad (it's a great game!) but it's clearly not competing with Hemingway or something. There are very few games that can do that, and even fewer of them are on Steam. So that is a reason to buy Papers, Please (just as it's a reason to buy Cart Life or Kentucky Route Zero or maybe Dear Esther).

    Because comparing the 30 some years of modern gaming to the thousands of years of literature or even the 100+ years of modern literature is really a fair comparison.
    Uh, no, it isn't. I know you're being sarcastic but nowhere did I claim the comparison was fair. My claim was that most games are puerile. This can likely be explained by how young 'games' as an art form is, but that doesn't make me wrong, it just explains why I'm right.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If someone gave you 30 seconds you could probably name more truly meaningful books off the top of your head than there are truly meaningful games for sale on Steam.

    You still just cast a blanket over pretty much every game ever. Even limited to Steam, offhand I can think of Analogue(a critique on male-dominated societies).

    Outside of that I could name plenty.

    Braid, Bioshock, Dear Esther, Hotline Miami, Gone Home, Spec-Ops: The Line, and To The Moon off the top of my head.
    William Faulkner alone wrote more novels than you've listed games. And as much as I absolutely adore games like Gone Home (I'm the OP of our thread for it!) and Bioshock, I think you'd pretty much have to be kidding yourself if you think they're telling stories of the kind of quality it would take to get games taken seriously by someone who standards weren't "it needs to be better than Call of Duty." I think this article in the LA Review of Books on Gone Home sums it up pretty well: no matter how amazing of a game it is, the emotional core of that story and the maturity with which it's told is at about the level of young adult fiction. This is not to say it's bad (it's a great game!) but it's clearly not competing with Hemingway or something. There are very few games that can do that, and even fewer of them are on Steam. So that is a reason to buy Papers, Please (just as it's a reason to buy Cart Life or Kentucky Route Zero or maybe Dear Esther).

    Because comparing the 30 some years of modern gaming to the thousands of years of literature or even the 100+ years of modern literature is really a fair comparison.
    Uh, no, it isn't. I know you're being sarcastic but nowhere did I claim the comparison was fair. My claim was that most games are puerile. This can likely be explained by how young 'games' as an art form is, but that doesn't make me wrong, it just explains why I'm right.

    You said pretty much every game is, which we all know is an exaggeration.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I'd put it much more down to the fact that how a player experiences and how a game has to be set up is much more rigid and limited compared to a book.

    I can write things on a page with just a pen and paper. Creating a set of systems that interact to create the same meaning as what I wrote is much more complex.

  • BrocksMulletBrocksMullet Into the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Hemingway is a very interesting man who wrote about very interesting things in the least interesting way possible.

    Which is to say, opinions. Now lets all talk about Teleglitch.

    Edit: Yes, I recognize the debt english wrting and fiction as a whole owes Hemingway. The Sun Also Rises is still totally dildos.

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  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Thank you whoever mentioned the 1c groupie bundle because it reminded me how awesome Men of War is (Real time Jagged Alliance? YES SIR) and that I have no flying fuck how to play theater of war. Should I consider each of the Men of War titles must plays or can I skip a few?

    Is everything on that groupie bundle steam play?

    Does the UFO: Noun series rely on shared saves or am I starting each game over with a new crew? I know XCOM doesn't do this but it would be neat to have the grizzled veterans that survived mars come back home and conquer the seas.

    Are there any other 1c titles that I am remiss for not playing?

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    This is a weird place for the tired "are videogames Art?" argument to pop up.

  • ioloiolo iolo Registered User regular
    He means the new GOTY version, @Alegis.

    And it's not my fault!

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    If someone gave you 30 seconds you could probably name more truly meaningful books off the top of your head than there are truly meaningful games for sale on Steam.

    You still just cast a blanket over pretty much every game ever. Even limited to Steam, offhand I can think of Analogue(a critique on male-dominated societies).

    Outside of that I could name plenty.

    Braid, Bioshock, Dear Esther, Hotline Miami, Gone Home, Spec-Ops: The Line, and To The Moon off the top of my head.
    William Faulkner alone wrote more novels than you've listed games. And as much as I absolutely adore games like Gone Home (I'm the OP of our thread for it!) and Bioshock, I think you'd pretty much have to be kidding yourself if you think they're telling stories of the kind of quality it would take to get games taken seriously by someone who standards weren't "it needs to be better than Call of Duty." I think this article in the LA Review of Books on Gone Home sums it up pretty well: no matter how amazing of a game it is, the emotional core of that story and the maturity with which it's told is at about the level of young adult fiction. This is not to say it's bad (it's a great game!) but it's clearly not competing with Hemingway or something. There are very few games that can do that, and even fewer of them are on Steam. So that is a reason to buy Papers, Please (just as it's a reason to buy Cart Life or Kentucky Route Zero or maybe Dear Esther).

    Because comparing the 30 some years of modern gaming to the thousands of years of literature or even the 100+ years of modern literature is really a fair comparison.
    Uh, no, it isn't. I know you're being sarcastic but nowhere did I claim the comparison was fair. My claim was that most games are puerile. This can likely be explained by how young 'games' as an art form is, but that doesn't make me wrong, it just explains why I'm right.

    Most books are puerile too.

  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    This is still not a chat thread.

    Take the art house talk somewhere else.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    Thank you whoever mentioned the 1c groupie bundle because it reminded me how awesome Men of War is (Real time Jagged Alliance? YES SIR) and that I have no flying fuck how to play theater of war. Should I consider each of the Men of War titles must plays or can I skip a few?
    Men of War is great for single player and coop.
    Red Tide is moderately okay for single player. There's a coop mod that may or may not work.
    Assault Squad is great for multiplayer and sort of fun for coop - its coop is a skirmish mode rather than scenarios like in Men of War.
    Condemned Heroes and Vietnam are shit. Absolute trash.

    Red Tide and Condemned Heroes don't seem to be in the bundle though, so there are no worries about getting stuck with those.
    Are there any other 1c titles that I am remiss for not playing?
    King's Bounty: The Legend and King's Bounty: Armored Princess are both tremendous. The first has a wackier story and the second is more balanced and fair. (They're both single player.) I've heard good things about but haven't played the Star Wolves games. Brigade E5: New Jagged Union apparently got patched and/or fan patched into the sort of shape where maybe it's worth playing (I haven't played it). Some people enjoy Death to Spies, but spies don't, so there's that. Parkan II may or may not be worth checking out if Eastern European space sims are your thing.

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited October 2013
    If million selling games could be made by one person in the course of a couple months, then the comparison might start to be apt.

    But best selling novels did not require a team of people and several million dollars of investment to write. Writing is the purest form of storytelling and it costs virtually nothing. You can do it with a stick and the dirt for Christ's sake.

    But making a game requires a hell of a lot more. You need technical knowledge of hardware and software. You need art assets and access to equipment. No one is playing text adventures anymore. But writing is no more technically demanding than it was 100 years ago.

    There are countless examples of puerile books. You spent an afternoon putting words down? Congratulations, you've written a story. But a game designer with an amazing concept that will Change the World(tm) has significant hurdles to overcome just to get a working prototype, let alone something that will convey the experience to other people.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »
    He means the new GOTY version, @Alegis.

    And it's not my fault!

    Yeah the regular code isn't as valuable. I'm assuming it was a mistake because having the GOTY for that cheap is ridiculous.

  • BrocksMulletBrocksMullet Into the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    I don't like the way people group things into two insoluble catagories, High Art For Gentlepersons Of A Discerning Nature, and DUMB shit For Dummies And When I Don't Like to Think.

    I think many, even most things have something of value in them, and that you also do a diservice to things when you catagorize forever as Great Art. It sterilizes it, fixes it in marble, makes it beyond human appeal.

    How many people haven't watched Citizen Kane because its the Greatest Movie Ever Made, and they don't want to deal with that fancy ass shit? People should say , "Hey, Citizen Kane is funny, and mysterious, and sad, it's full of great scences and sights, and it just flies along. You can jump in at any point, and have a good time." I think more people would watch it then.

    This certainly still is the Steam thread, in case you were wondering.

    Edit: Rorus, was in progress before you posted. Done.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    @Corpekata. @DoctorArch. @Taranis. I think you all know why you are here. You all have Legends of Dawn on your Steam wishlists. I think we can all agree it's time to take a deep breath and ask ourselves if this is the sort of thing you want on a wishlist. This is a game with a 31 on metacritic from critics and a 49 from users, and is described by some Czech website thusly:
    A crappy system, technologically speaking it's an unfinished, irritating, and every now and then arrogant action RPG, with flaws as merits, demonstrating how to not make a game.
    I'm worried about all of you. First comes wishlisting this sort of stuff, then comes buying, then playing, and before you know it, you've melted your computer down into needles that you use to hunt down the developers responsible for the sort of stuff you've been playing. Your body is a temple and your Steam library is the incense you burn in it and your wishlist is your grocery shopping list for when you go to the incense store. Don't poison your temple body!

  • CorpekataCorpekata Registered User regular
    Hey now. Choco OWNs it. He's the real criminal here.

    Just one more RPG, please Tycho? I'm begging ya, I gotta catch em all.

  • Alice LeywindAlice Leywind she/her Registered User regular
    Or you could buy bad games and revel in how bad they are. Go on. Go buy Daikatana. You know you want to.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited October 2013
    RE: Games and art

    vegetable to vegetables
    fruit to fruit
    most artists are made famous in death
    like the first master to rock out on a lute

    Books, photos, lyrics, notes,
    clay, paint, steel, flour
    Now joined by pixels
    To seduce our souls for many an hour

    Set forth a rule and someone becomes your enemy
    Just as I've screwed up writing the meter for this similie

    But debates are not found within these lines,
    but a contest for your weary minds

    Russian tech amuses us as their vodka supplies our bars
    Regale me with PM poetry to lead your wolves in the stars

    edit: Fuck rhyming, you have till Monday at 5 O' Clock

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  • ioloiolo iolo Registered User regular
    Corpekata wrote: »
    Hey now. Choco OWNs it. He's the real criminal here.

    Just one more RPG, please Tycho? I'm begging ya, I gotta catch em all.

    He took the hit. Here's his review:
    I recommend this game if you hate yourself. The graphics are bad, the voice acting is horrible, the controls are wonky and uncomfortable (Yay wads movement in an ARPG.) and the available resolutions coupled with the crappy zoomed camera are not a pleasant thing. On the other hand, it may be such a bad game that its worth playing for the laughs? I think I've laughed three times now and there hasn't been a single joke yet. Paly Waly indeed.

    He's the hero we deserve.

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  • TreadLifeTreadLife CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    @Iolo is being generous as usual and dishing out some nostalgia. Thanks for PuzzleQuest: Challenge of the Warlords; while you're the master of it on the DS, I remember playing it in recent years with a friend on the PS2. This is the first time I own it myself!

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  • GrimthwackerGrimthwacker Registered User regular
    Took advantage of the Capcom sale to pick up RE: Revelations (the only recent entry in the series worth caring about apparently), and on a whim I also downloaded the demo to Alien Rage because I was looking for a nice modern run-'n-gun shooter like Doom. It works. . . It's certainly not the most polished game but it does work as a nice fast-paced shooter that I might want to pick up on sale.

  • TreadLifeTreadLife CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Finally decided F it to the whole 'only 10 items at a time' rule for my wishlist.

    It's like a damn breaking and now I'm going around adding everything.

    I remember when I decided this also. The list gets daunting, but it helps keep track of games and sales. Some people react negatively to it, though.

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  • ioloiolo iolo Registered User regular
    TreadLife wrote: »
    Finally decided F it to the whole 'only 10 items at a time' rule for my wishlist.

    It's like a damn breaking and now I'm going around adding everything.

    I remember when I decided this also. The list gets daunting, but it helps keep track of games and sales. Some people react negatively to it, though.

    Who reacts negatively to having games on a wishlist?

    You mean like a spouse? :)

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Like GabeN. They're supposed to be in your library, not your wishlist! He needs more wallpaper for his 147th mansion!

  • OrivonOrivon Happy Fun Ball They/ThemRegistered User regular
    Bought a copy of Escape Goat to give as a gift to someone but I am not able to give it to them, so let's have a contest.

    In the spirit of the season PM me your best Halloween story for a chance to win Escape Goat.

    I will end the contest a few days from now.

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »
    TreadLife wrote: »
    Finally decided F it to the whole 'only 10 items at a time' rule for my wishlist.

    It's like a damn breaking and now I'm going around adding everything.

    I remember when I decided this also. The list gets daunting, but it helps keep track of games and sales. Some people react negatively to it, though.

    Who reacts negatively to having games on a wishlist?

    You mean like a spouse? :)

    It gets hard to giftbomb people if their wishlist is a narrow avenue that only goes on sale in a blue moon, like DLC, or dishwashing sims, or Activision titles.

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