You know, it takes a lot of testicles to actually use one in battle.
In other news, I finally got my quint-flawless Froakie, but it doesn't have the nature or the Pokéball I originally wanted. Oh well, might breed more later.
... Hey. Does Aegislash still Stance Change if he flinches?
I would guess so. He stance changes when he's asleep, for crying out loud.
Alright.
If he does Stance Change when flinching, a strategy emerges.
If I lead with my Scrappy Kangaskhan, and the opponent leads with Aegislash, the first turn will be to refrain from evolving and use Fake Out.
If Aegislash uses King's Shield, Kangaskhan loses attack, and I should switch to Heracross. Of he uses Swords Dance, he takes some negligible damage, doesn't boost that turn, and I get to see if he has Leftovers. If he uses Sacred Sword, he's in Blade Mode and flinches.
Kangaskhan fears not Shadow Sneak, and so either goes first, or Aegislash uses King's Shield.
Now. Can a Mega Kangaskhan OHKO a Blade Mode Aegislash with either Crunch or Earthquake?
I'm...not sure why it matters whether he stance-changes on Flinch or not? Either way you hit him in shield form this turn and and then he King's Shields next turn. Whether or not he ends the turn in blade form is irrelevent unless he doesn't know King's Shield at all. A wasted Stance Change is only bad when it tries to use a priority attack or its opponent is slower than it is, neither of which applies against a Kangaskhan.
If you send Kangaskhan out against Aegislash, its options are to King's Shield to fish for a contact move, switch out, or deliberately eat a boosted Earthquake in exchange for a revenge Sacred Sword after which it's forced to retreat if it lives (I have no who wins that exchange). There's no reason to Swords Dance against a Kangaskhan that switched in on purpose; two mega'd Earthquakes or Crunches is certain death. There's also no reason NOT to King's Shield, since Mega Kangaskhan doesn't run setup moves that can take advantage of it.
Scrappy Fake Out will either hit a switch-in (inefficient turn unless the switch-in is immune to your better move), do almost no damage (inefficient turn), or hit a King's Shield (Aegislash wins momentum, your switch-in eats an unanswered Sacred Sword or faces a free Swords Dance). Why not just go straight for the mega Earthquake spam?
The fear of Parental Bond Earthquake failing to kill Shield Mode Aegislash, and Kangaskhan dying to the following Sacred Sword, mostly.
Also, I'm a tad worried about packing Earthquake at all. Mega Kangaskhan with Fake Our, Return, Power Up Punch, and Earthquake is completely walled out by Drifblim and standard Gengar.
Not doing something out of fear is not the best way to act. Just find something that provides synergy to the team, try it out, and see how it works out. If it doesn't work, then replace something.
Well, the thing I currently want to try is Heracross. Or maybe Volcarona. I suppose I also need to give PB Earthquake vs Shield Aegislash a shot. The PB boost is basically like having STAB, so...
Im going to be breeding cross soon. I found an adamant with perfect attack and defense. I need an ability capsule to change guts though
I'd love to trade for one of the eggs or babies. I can't claim to be able to get you perfect IVs, but I can get you whatever else you may want from my copy of Y.
Say now. How would Infiltrator Sporitomb fare against Aegislash?
I don't believe Infiltrator works on Protect.
It got buffed. And thats brilliant. Immune to sacred sword, neutral to sneak, supereffective stab...
I was thinking Chandelure. Kings shield doesnt block status, so switch into sword, will o wisp to wreck its attack, and then stab fire or ghost if it stays in.
Say now. How would Infiltrator Sporitomb fare against Aegislash?
I don't believe Infiltrator works on Protect.
It got buffed. And thats brilliant. Immune to sacred sword, neutral to sneak, supereffective stab...
I was thinking Chandelure. Kings shield doesnt block status, so switch into sword, will o wisp to wreck its attack, and then stab fire or ghost if it stays in.
Say now. How would Infiltrator Sporitomb fare against Aegislash?
I don't believe Infiltrator works on Protect.
It got buffed. And thats brilliant. Immune to sacred sword, neutral to sneak, supereffective stab...
I was thinking Chandelure. Kings shield doesnt block status, so switch into sword, will o wisp to wreck its attack, and then stab fire or ghost if it stays in.
Say now. How would Infiltrator Sporitomb fare against Aegislash?
I don't believe Infiltrator works on Protect.
It got buffed. And thats brilliant. Immune to sacred sword, neutral to sneak, supereffective stab...
I was thinking Chandelure. Kings shield doesnt block status, so switch into sword, will o wisp to wreck its attack, and then stab fire or ghost if it stays in.
Huh. I knew it worked on Substitutes but didn't realixe about Protect.
One assumes that the other player would expect Infiltrator on Chandelure, though. So using Will-o-Wisp means you eat a Shadow Sneak and a half if it doesn't switch out. Is that survivable?
Say now. How would Infiltrator Sporitomb fare against Aegislash?
I don't believe Infiltrator works on Protect.
It got buffed. And thats brilliant. Immune to sacred sword, neutral to sneak, supereffective stab...
I was thinking Chandelure. Kings shield doesnt block status, so switch into sword, will o wisp to wreck its attack, and then stab fire or ghost if it stays in.
You know, it takes a lot of testicles to actually use one in battle.
In other news, I finally got my quint-flawless Froakie, but it doesn't have the nature or the Pokéball I originally wanted. Oh well, might breed more later.
In the future, you should really lock down the nature with an everstone before you start breeding for IVs, you'll save yourself a ton of time
I've seen online that the Lumiose Stone Shop will eventually sell thunder stones, but I have max style and have beaten the elite 4, and still no thunder stone. How do I get it to do so?
Not sure, but you can get them through super training as well.
So basically if I have a 3 perfect IV Ditto (HP, ATK, DEF) holding destiny knot breed with a Pokemon, it gets those three IVs right?
Then I can breed the offspring with another Ditto that has the OTHER three IVs (Sp.Atk, Sp. Def, Speed) and that offspring from those two makes a perfect IV Pokemon?
With a Destiny Knot, five random stats are chosen, and then a random parent is chosen for each stat, and then those five IVs are inherited. So it's never a sure thing and it never helps you past five stats.
So basically if I have a 3 perfect IV Ditto (HP, ATK, DEF) holding destiny knot breed with a Pokemon, it gets those three IVs right?
Then I can breed the offspring with another Ditto that has the OTHER three IVs (Sp.Atk, Sp. Def, Speed) and that offspring from those two makes a perfect IV Pokemon?
Am I getting this right?
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Donphan, Mamoswine, Heatran, Krookodile, and Tyranitar are threatened by Sacred Sword.
Tyranitar doubly so.
I can't look this up, but don't they all outspeed Aegislash? STAB Earthquake off of Donphan/Mamo/Krook or Fire Blast from Heatran is definitely a 2HKO against 60/150 defenses (OHKO with Band/Specs/LO?) and Sacred Sword isn't going to OHKO any of them
With a Destiny Knot, five random stats are chosen, and then a random parent is chosen for each stat, and then those five IVs are inherited. So it's never a sure thing and it never helps you past five stats.
Some odds to help illustrate:
For any single stat that only one parent has at 31, there's a 5/6 chance of that stat being chosen and a 1/2 chance of that parent being chosen, for 5/12 in total. But if both parents share the same 31 IV in a stat, you get it 5/6 of the time. The more specific a combination you want, the harder it is to get it. Gradually replacing weaker parents with stronger ones will help maximize your odds.
Basically, two perfect parents have a 1/6 chance of having a given 5-IV spread, and each target stat that isn't shared by both parents halves the odds. So two 4-IVs (with three shared stats and two unshared stats) have 1/24 odds (I think). A 3 and a 2 are very unlikely to produce a kid with all 5 straight away, but it won't take too long to improve the parents to two 3s, then a 3 and a 4, and so on.
It depends on if Aegislash has used Swords Dance yet. Will +2 Sacred Sword off of 150 Attack OHKO them?
I'm not sure but it's kind of a moot point. Unless he's uncheckable, people won't design teams without an Aegislash check. Assuming he's OU, he has to contend with Mence, DNite, Volcarona, Landorus, Garchomp, Gyarados, etc. At least one of these guys is on almost every team and they all love the free setup they get by switching into Aegislash. My only problem with Aegislash is that he doesn't seem to come in on anyone cleanly. Who is he forcing out to get his free swords dance? Blissey is the only thing that comes to mind
Aegislash can switch in on basically any non-dark/ghost that opts for fighting over fire or ground for steel coverage, can't it? I guess maybe big neutral hits from water or electric might be enough to threaten it somewhat.
... Hey. Does Aegislash still Stance Change if he flinches?
I would guess so. He stance changes when he's asleep, for crying out loud.
Alright.
If he does Stance Change when flinching, a strategy emerges.
If I lead with my Scrappy Kangaskhan, and the opponent leads with Aegislash, the first turn will be to refrain from evolving and use Fake Out.
If Aegislash uses King's Shield, Kangaskhan loses attack, and I should switch to Heracross. Of he uses Swords Dance, he takes some negligible damage, doesn't boost that turn, and I get to see if he has Leftovers. If he uses Sacred Sword, he's in Blade Mode and flinches.
Kangaskhan fears not Shadow Sneak, and so either goes first, or Aegislash uses King's Shield.
Now. Can a Mega Kangaskhan OHKO a Blade Mode Aegislash with either Crunch or Earthquake?
I'm...not sure why it matters whether he stance-changes on Flinch or not? Either way you hit him in shield form this turn and and then he King's Shields next turn. Whether or not he ends the turn in blade form is irrelevent unless he doesn't know King's Shield at all. A wasted Stance Change is only bad when it tries to use a priority attack or its opponent is slower than it is, neither of which applies against a Kangaskhan.
If you send Kangaskhan out against Aegislash, its options are to King's Shield to fish for a contact move, switch out, or deliberately eat a boosted Earthquake in exchange for a revenge Sacred Sword after which it's forced to retreat if it lives (I have no who wins that exchange). There's no reason to Swords Dance against a Kangaskhan that switched in on purpose; two mega'd Earthquakes or Crunches is certain death. There's also no reason NOT to King's Shield, since Mega Kangaskhan doesn't run setup moves that can take advantage of it.
Scrappy Fake Out will either hit a switch-in (inefficient turn unless the switch-in is immune to your better move), do almost no damage (inefficient turn), or hit a King's Shield (Aegislash wins momentum, your switch-in eats an unanswered Sacred Sword or faces a free Swords Dance). Why not just go straight for the mega Earthquake spam?
The fear of Parental Bond Earthquake failing to kill Shield Mode Aegislash, and Kangaskhan dying to the following Sacred Sword, mostly.
Also, I'm a tad worried about packing Earthquake at all. Mega Kangaskhan with Fake Our, Return, Power Up Punch, and Earthquake is completely walled out by Drifblim and standard Gengar.
Not doing something out of fear is not the best way to act. Just find something that provides synergy to the team, try it out, and see how it works out. If it doesn't work, then replace something.
Well, the thing I currently want to try is Heracross. Or maybe Volcarona. I suppose I also need to give PB Earthquake vs Shield Aegislash a shot. The PB boost is basically like having STAB, so...
Im going to be breeding cross soon. I found an adamant with perfect attack and defense. I need an ability capsule to change guts though
As long as the pokemon you're breeding with isn't another Heracross with guts you will get plenty of them with swarm as well, kind of a waste of 200bp to switch a mon's ability if you aren't going to be battling with it.
So. Considering a Volcarona with Quiver Dance, Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Fiery Dance, and Bug Buzz, what's a good fourth move? Will O Wisp? Psychic? Morning Sun?
Aegislash can switch in on basically any non-dark/ghost that opts for fighting over fire or ground for steel coverage, can't it? I guess maybe big neutral hits from water or electric might be enough to threaten it somewhat.
It can't switch into bulky waters unless it wants to risk getting burned.
Ghost/Steel is a sweet typing that will give it a lot of opportunities to switch in though. Shadow Sneak is icing on the cake.
So. Considering a Volcarona with Quiver Dance, Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Fiery Dance, and Bug Buzz, what's a good fourth move? Will O Wisp? Psychic? Morning Sun?
Hurricane probably. You want Giga Drain to heal your life orb/SR damage and kill water types that try and disrupt the sweep, but you can't have it.
edit: at least until Z comes out and move tutors are good again.
Even if you are breeding identical pokemon, you still get a 20% chance to get the other ability, IIRC. It's not hard to swap in the other parent mid way through the cycle (like when you get 3 IV's of each) to get a better chance at the ability you want.
I don't see the point of the 200 bp capsule, since it can't get hidden abilities. If it could, then it might be worth it, as the only way to get some abilities. Otherwise, even if your perfect mon has the wrong ability, you can use that to pretty quickly breed another. Probably more quickly than you can save up 200 bp
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You know, it takes a lot of testicles to actually use one in battle.
In other news, I finally got my quint-flawless Froakie, but it doesn't have the nature or the Pokéball I originally wanted. Oh well, might breed more later.
I'd love to trade for one of the eggs or babies. I can't claim to be able to get you perfect IVs, but I can get you whatever else you may want from my copy of Y.
It got buffed. And thats brilliant. Immune to sacred sword, neutral to sneak, supereffective stab...
I was thinking Chandelure. Kings shield doesnt block status, so switch into sword, will o wisp to wreck its attack, and then stab fire or ghost if it stays in.
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Spiritomb can also use Will O Wisp.
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Doesnt resist steel though.
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Huh. I knew it worked on Substitutes but didn't realixe about Protect.
One assumes that the other player would expect Infiltrator on Chandelure, though. So using Will-o-Wisp means you eat a Shadow Sneak and a half if it doesn't switch out. Is that survivable?
Isn't weak to Ghost, either.
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In the future, you should really lock down the nature with an everstone before you start breeding for IVs, you'll save yourself a ton of time
Most guys will use the vanished turn to set up, or switch out to a Normal type.
Not sure, but you can get them through super training as well.
Noivern's Boomburst hits through substitute, Earthquake hits opponents mid Dig.
Actually, does anyone know a list of all the moves that can hit through Substitute? That seems like an important thing to know.
also it's a physical attack, so I think it still lowers your attack with Kings Shield?
Was it because you probably had Doublade use it? He has No Guard as an ability.
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Then I can breed the offspring with another Ditto that has the OTHER three IVs (Sp.Atk, Sp. Def, Speed) and that offspring from those two makes a perfect IV Pokemon?
Am I getting this right?
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Like Garchomp, Dragonite, Salamence, Gliscor, Hippowdon, Donphan, Mamoswine, Heatran, Volcarona, Swampert, Tyranitar, Krookodile, Landorus.
Or in Malimar's case, Contrary to get a boost from King's Shield.
just found some good guides on reddit, will post when I can.
Tyranitar doubly so.
Oh... Yeah that's possible. I feel like he had other moves that didn't work though
I can confirm that Garchomp wrecks Aegislash, though.
I can't look this up, but don't they all outspeed Aegislash? STAB Earthquake off of Donphan/Mamo/Krook or Fire Blast from Heatran is definitely a 2HKO against 60/150 defenses (OHKO with Band/Specs/LO?) and Sacred Sword isn't going to OHKO any of them
For any single stat that only one parent has at 31, there's a 5/6 chance of that stat being chosen and a 1/2 chance of that parent being chosen, for 5/12 in total. But if both parents share the same 31 IV in a stat, you get it 5/6 of the time. The more specific a combination you want, the harder it is to get it. Gradually replacing weaker parents with stronger ones will help maximize your odds.
Basically, two perfect parents have a 1/6 chance of having a given 5-IV spread, and each target stat that isn't shared by both parents halves the odds. So two 4-IVs (with three shared stats and two unshared stats) have 1/24 odds (I think). A 3 and a 2 are very unlikely to produce a kid with all 5 straight away, but it won't take too long to improve the parents to two 3s, then a 3 and a 4, and so on.
Yes, but the point is you will OHKO back first if you predict a SD on the switch.
I'm not sure but it's kind of a moot point. Unless he's uncheckable, people won't design teams without an Aegislash check. Assuming he's OU, he has to contend with Mence, DNite, Volcarona, Landorus, Garchomp, Gyarados, etc. At least one of these guys is on almost every team and they all love the free setup they get by switching into Aegislash. My only problem with Aegislash is that he doesn't seem to come in on anyone cleanly. Who is he forcing out to get his free swords dance? Blissey is the only thing that comes to mind
Edit: and Scizor
As long as the pokemon you're breeding with isn't another Heracross with guts you will get plenty of them with swarm as well, kind of a waste of 200bp to switch a mon's ability if you aren't going to be battling with it.
It can't switch into bulky waters unless it wants to risk getting burned.
Ghost/Steel is a sweet typing that will give it a lot of opportunities to switch in though. Shadow Sneak is icing on the cake.
Hurricane probably. You want Giga Drain to heal your life orb/SR damage and kill water types that try and disrupt the sweep, but you can't have it.
edit: at least until Z comes out and move tutors are good again.
I don't see the point of the 200 bp capsule, since it can't get hidden abilities. If it could, then it might be worth it, as the only way to get some abilities. Otherwise, even if your perfect mon has the wrong ability, you can use that to pretty quickly breed another. Probably more quickly than you can save up 200 bp
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