[Doctor Who]: "...the clock is striking Twelve's."

The Dude With Herpes

Matt Smith Doctor was a compulsive liar.

The more he reassured, the harder he fought, the more hopeless he knew it was.

He still never gave up, but it wasn't because he knew he could win; it was because he knew that when the answer fell from the sky, he was the only one who would know what to do with it.

Which is absolutely a skill and strength he had, but most of his rallying was done when he had no damn idea how things were going to work out.

Casual

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

Matt Smith Doctor was a compulsive liar.

The more he reassured, the harder he fought, the more hopeless he knew it was.

He still never gave up, but it wasn't because he knew he could win; it was because he knew that when the answer fell from the sky, he was the only one who would know what to do with it.

Which is absolutely a skill and strength he had, but most of his rallying was done when he had no damn idea how things were going to work out.

"wait for something to happen, take the credit"

Unlucky

I'm still the biggest fan of Eccleston's "Trouble? Fantastic. Can't wait to see how I solve it this time. Don't even mind if I die." *Weight of the time-war on his shoulders*

I think of all the Doctor's, his short life span was the most feasible story-wise. He was truly a madman with a box. He didn't care if he lived or died at the end of the day, because he wasn't even sure why he was alive at times. Spots all throughout his season tell this story.

Dark Raven X

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

Matt Smith Doctor was a compulsive liar.

The more he reassured, the harder he fought, the more hopeless he knew it was.

He still never gave up, but it wasn't because he knew he could win; it was because he knew that when the answer fell from the sky, he was the only one who would know what to do with it.

Which is absolutely a skill and strength he had, but most of his rallying was done when he had no damn idea how things were going to work out.

One of my favourite Smiff moments is at the end of Time of Angels where they're surrounded and he's all "there's always a way out!" and then takes the guys gun and looks at it like he's figuring out how it works, someone asks him what he's doing and he says "something incredibly stupid and dangerous, when I do, jump" - it gets kinda overshadowed by the awesome speech he gives the angels immediately after, but he had no idea that was gonna work, and he successfully took them inside the ship that was potentially full of explosions and gravity storms and such, BUT HEY, beats angel neck breaking!

autono-wally, erotibot300

I ....uh.... glenn beck apparently loves Doctor Who?

“Never thought I would like that show,” Glenn said. In fact, he called Pat a “freak” for liking it and asking him to give it a shot. But that all changed when he started watching.

“Some of the best television story-telling I have ever seen,” Glenn said.

“It’s unreal and creative and different. People sometimes takes a while to get used to the different nature of Dr. Who, because it’s not normal,” Pat added.

Seidkona

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

autono-wally, erotibot300

Entaru wrote: »

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Maybe even just once, if you include timey-wimey

Dark Raven X

Man do I love Time of Angels and Flesh & Stone. It's one of those stories where the situation starts off completely fucked and just gets progressively worse.

Cyvros

More like Never Give Up; Never Cave in a Caveman's Skull amirite

I will leave now.

Xeddicus

Richy wrote: »

So, I finally finished the new season, a few weeks late.

I've been disappointed. It's like they forgot how to write a good ending to an episode.

1. Into The Dalek. Aside from the fact that nothing about the inside of the Dalek made sense, from the radiation leak making him 'good' to the antibodies to the way Clara reconnected the memories, the climax of the episode was the Doctor turning a Dalek good by showing him a video of a supernova.

2. Robot of Sherwood. The ship lifted off with 88% of fuel needed, and the one golden arrow pushed it to 100%, meaning about an arrow's worth of gold is 12% and the entire ship could be powered by 8 or 9 of those. The Sheriff didn't need to be an evil over-taxing tyrant to get such a small quantity of gold. Also, the entire failed lift-off could have been avoided if the Sheriff had used precious jewels (which the episode made clear he was collecting and then discarding) instead of gold as the prize for the competition. And don't get me started on how stupid powering a spaceship by shooting an arrow at the hull is.

3. Listen. So, wait, Clara can fly the TARDIS to Gallifrey somehow? It's not locked out outside the universe or whatever anymore? Or are there Time Lords outside of Gallifrey who were spared the war and can still be visited by the Doctor? If that's the case, what was the big deal about him being the Last One about? And how does the episode plot about Dany's time-travelling great-grandson work now that we know Clara and Dany Pink won't be having any descendents?

4. Time Heist. So these telepathic creatures are so dangerous they have to be kept in stasis and in a straitjacket, but at the same time can just be kept conscious and chained in a corner of your office? Also, the disintegrators turned out to be teleporters allowing them in and out of the bank's underground levels. So why didn't they do that in the first place, instead of the big complicated plan to go in through the front door that "killed" two of them?

5. The Caretaker. The Doctor's plan to defeat a killer robot that will annihilate everything in its path is... to attract it into a school full of children? And to plant weird flashy things around the school that are so sensitive that moving even a single one will break the entire plan, and just hope that none of the children find one and none of the staff who see them ever wonder what the fuck they are or investigate them in any way? Fuck, there was an abandoned building just a block down, which the episode emphasized at the beginning, where the Doctor could have executed his plan without problems and without endangering anyone.

6. Kill the Moon. First of all, Clara was not taking a poll of the entire Earth population, she was only taking a poll of whichever part of Earth she was above and was in nighttime during that one particular hour and also happened to catch her broadcast and take it seriously. Also, the decision to kill it was the right one - the Earth would be fucked up without the Moon and the human race would die, and we had no reason to assume the shells would not rain doom from above or that another moon would appear in its place and save us. Also also, the entire premise was dumb - eggs do not suddenly become a thousand times heavier when they're about to hatch, an animal that gestates for 5 billion years is crazy, and we know how the moon came into being and it wasn't by being hatched. And the Doctor making a big deal about leaving and letting us decide, aside from being pretty silly after the hundreds of times he stepped in and save the human race, was also completely undermined when he came back five minutes later and overruled the human race's decision. As for the actual end, the new moon appearing, where the fuck did it come from? The Doctor said that the egg was the last of its kind, so where (and for that matter when) did it find a mate, screw, and lay an egg?

7. Flatline. The Doctor says that the Time Lords theorized about a non-3D dimension in the past but could never verify that theory or visit such a dimension, and now here are beings from the 2D dimension coming into ours and even draining a TARDIS without the Doctor being able to stop them... so they are more powerful than the Time Lords then? And the only thing keeping them from invading us is a speech from the Doctor (if any of them even survived the trip back to relay the speech, which the episode said we don't know)? So shouldn't we be a bit worried about that?

8. In the Forest of the Night. That whole "people will forget this ever happened" was cute when they did it as a throwaway joke in the Christmas Special where the Cybermen attacked Victorian London, and it kinda worked (or at least didn't stretch credibility too much) because the attack was limited to one city and there were no mass communications and it was so crazy weird that you can imagine that anyone they told this too who hadn't witnessed it would not believe it. But now making the same idea central to the plot of the episode working just highlights how ridiculous it is, especially now that the event is global and that we see it on TV worldwide and that everyone and their grandmother has a smartphone and internet access. Are we supposed to assume that all TV stations worldwide will delete their broadcast archives and that some Internet Police Force will delete every FB post and YouTube video and Flickr picture that has trees in it? And the event requires some magical earthly spirit of the trees that has the ability to make matter (trees) appear out of nowhere. Also, fire-proof trees. Also, that little girl that can hear magical earthly spirit of the trees because her sister disappeared. Also, her sister reappearing out of magic.

9. Death in Heaven. So why didn't Dany Pink turn into a Cyberman when Clara activated his chip? Why didn't he kill Clara like the Doctor said he would, how did her remain himself to give the Doctor information and give the Cybermen the order to burn the cloud and save the world? And so far the Master has built an army of Toklafane to take over the earth and the galaxy, and then built an army of himself to take over the Earth and Gallifrey, and now she built an army of Cybermen to take over the Earth, in a plan so perfect even the Doctor acknowledges it's impossible to beat it... so she just gives control of it to the Doctor and allow him to destroy it. Talk about a cop-out.

So in other words: You watched Doctor Who. You'd think you be used to all this by now. :P

Richy

Xeddicus wrote: »

Richy wrote: »

So, I finally finished the new season, a few weeks late.

I've been disappointed. It's like they forgot how to write a good ending to an episode.

1. Into The Dalek. Aside from the fact that nothing about the inside of the Dalek made sense, from the radiation leak making him 'good' to the antibodies to the way Clara reconnected the memories, the climax of the episode was the Doctor turning a Dalek good by showing him a video of a supernova.

2. Robot of Sherwood. The ship lifted off with 88% of fuel needed, and the one golden arrow pushed it to 100%, meaning about an arrow's worth of gold is 12% and the entire ship could be powered by 8 or 9 of those. The Sheriff didn't need to be an evil over-taxing tyrant to get such a small quantity of gold. Also, the entire failed lift-off could have been avoided if the Sheriff had used precious jewels (which the episode made clear he was collecting and then discarding) instead of gold as the prize for the competition. And don't get me started on how stupid powering a spaceship by shooting an arrow at the hull is.

3. Listen. So, wait, Clara can fly the TARDIS to Gallifrey somehow? It's not locked out outside the universe or whatever anymore? Or are there Time Lords outside of Gallifrey who were spared the war and can still be visited by the Doctor? If that's the case, what was the big deal about him being the Last One about? And how does the episode plot about Dany's time-travelling great-grandson work now that we know Clara and Dany Pink won't be having any descendents?

4. Time Heist. So these telepathic creatures are so dangerous they have to be kept in stasis and in a straitjacket, but at the same time can just be kept conscious and chained in a corner of your office? Also, the disintegrators turned out to be teleporters allowing them in and out of the bank's underground levels. So why didn't they do that in the first place, instead of the big complicated plan to go in through the front door that "killed" two of them?

5. The Caretaker. The Doctor's plan to defeat a killer robot that will annihilate everything in its path is... to attract it into a school full of children? And to plant weird flashy things around the school that are so sensitive that moving even a single one will break the entire plan, and just hope that none of the children find one and none of the staff who see them ever wonder what the fuck they are or investigate them in any way? Fuck, there was an abandoned building just a block down, which the episode emphasized at the beginning, where the Doctor could have executed his plan without problems and without endangering anyone.

6. Kill the Moon. First of all, Clara was not taking a poll of the entire Earth population, she was only taking a poll of whichever part of Earth she was above and was in nighttime during that one particular hour and also happened to catch her broadcast and take it seriously. Also, the decision to kill it was the right one - the Earth would be fucked up without the Moon and the human race would die, and we had no reason to assume the shells would not rain doom from above or that another moon would appear in its place and save us. Also also, the entire premise was dumb - eggs do not suddenly become a thousand times heavier when they're about to hatch, an animal that gestates for 5 billion years is crazy, and we know how the moon came into being and it wasn't by being hatched. And the Doctor making a big deal about leaving and letting us decide, aside from being pretty silly after the hundreds of times he stepped in and save the human race, was also completely undermined when he came back five minutes later and overruled the human race's decision. As for the actual end, the new moon appearing, where the fuck did it come from? The Doctor said that the egg was the last of its kind, so where (and for that matter when) did it find a mate, screw, and lay an egg?

7. Flatline. The Doctor says that the Time Lords theorized about a non-3D dimension in the past but could never verify that theory or visit such a dimension, and now here are beings from the 2D dimension coming into ours and even draining a TARDIS without the Doctor being able to stop them... so they are more powerful than the Time Lords then? And the only thing keeping them from invading us is a speech from the Doctor (if any of them even survived the trip back to relay the speech, which the episode said we don't know)? So shouldn't we be a bit worried about that?

8. In the Forest of the Night. That whole "people will forget this ever happened" was cute when they did it as a throwaway joke in the Christmas Special where the Cybermen attacked Victorian London, and it kinda worked (or at least didn't stretch credibility too much) because the attack was limited to one city and there were no mass communications and it was so crazy weird that you can imagine that anyone they told this too who hadn't witnessed it would not believe it. But now making the same idea central to the plot of the episode working just highlights how ridiculous it is, especially now that the event is global and that we see it on TV worldwide and that everyone and their grandmother has a smartphone and internet access. Are we supposed to assume that all TV stations worldwide will delete their broadcast archives and that some Internet Police Force will delete every FB post and YouTube video and Flickr picture that has trees in it? And the event requires some magical earthly spirit of the trees that has the ability to make matter (trees) appear out of nowhere. Also, fire-proof trees. Also, that little girl that can hear magical earthly spirit of the trees because her sister disappeared. Also, her sister reappearing out of magic.

9. Death in Heaven. So why didn't Dany Pink turn into a Cyberman when Clara activated his chip? Why didn't he kill Clara like the Doctor said he would, how did her remain himself to give the Doctor information and give the Cybermen the order to burn the cloud and save the world? And so far the Master has built an army of Toklafane to take over the earth and the galaxy, and then built an army of himself to take over the Earth and Gallifrey, and now she built an army of Cybermen to take over the Earth, in a plan so perfect even the Doctor acknowledges it's impossible to beat it... so she just gives control of it to the Doctor and allow him to destroy it. Talk about a cop-out.

So in other words: You watched Doctor Who. You'd think you be used to all this by now. :P

Not really. This is the 8th series since it restarted, and by far the one that left me the most disappointed. Sure, the other series had some bad episodes too, but they also had good (sometimes great) episodes, so I ended with positive feelings and some good memories to look back on, even some episodes I wanted to watch again. And the bad episodes, well there were some truly terrible ones like Fear Her, but they were few and far between, and even those often had some redeeming scenes (Angels take Manhattan was a ridiculously bad and plothole-ridden sendoff for the Ponds, but it had some funny bits in Central Park and that PI and Rory meeting their old selves right before death was downright creepy, and Love and Monster had a fucked-up ending but it still was a fun ride). This season feels like it was composed exclusively of bad episodes with no redeeming parts.

Dark Raven X

You didn't like Mummy On The Orient Express? That whole ep was fantastic. :I

Robots Of Sherwood was a good episode with an exceedingly dumb moment at the end. It doesn't invalidate the good episode it's attached to. Doctor Who is full of silly lapses of logic, this was just... more silly than usual.

And Flatline was awesome.

Time Heist, the Forest ep and parts of Deep Breath and most of Into The Dalek were kinda butts, but the series was better overall than the last couple years IMO.

Casual

I feel like youre being overwhelmingly negative and more than a little unfair Richy. Did this season have some dumb moments and plot holes? Sure it did. But saying it was wall to wall crap with no redeeming moments at all just makes it seem like you're determined to dislike it.

But fair enough this is all subjective I guess.

Richy

Casual wrote: »

I feel like youre being overwhelmingly negative and more than a little unfair Richy. Did this season have some dumb moments and plot holes? Sure it did. But saying it was wall to wall crap with no redeeming moments at all just makes it seem like you're determined to dislike it.

But fair enough this is all subjective I guess.

No you're wrong it's the worst season of anything ever and anyone who liked it is a poopy-head!

Nah just kidding, of course all tastes are subjective. If you and DRX and others liked it, then good for you, I'm glad you enjoyed the season. All I can say is that I personally felt like it was the least good of the 8 so far.

Ravenhpltc24

Flatline is officially one of my favorite episodes of NuWho. Like, top 5, easily. The whole season was littered with good episodes and great moments. It's hard not to find faults somewhere within any episode of DW, but I'd say that Robots of Sherwood, Time Heist, The Caretaker, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, and Dark Water all contained far more good than bad. It appears I'm somewhat alone on liking Time Heist, but I thought it was really exciting with a great monster!

Dark Raven X

No, I think I'm in the minority on hating Time Heist :P

I hated the editing in it, it just didn't look good to me. And I thought the premise was dumb, since

between the TARDIS and the suicide bomb things they had multiple shortcuts to the end that they didn't give any kind of rationale for not using. Like it's presented as them being sent in by a mysterious boss who for mysterious reasons doesn't want them going the easy way to the vault. But then it was the Doctor. So. Why didn't they just... go to the vault and rescue the prisoner with the TARDIS?

Radiation

Dark Raven X wrote: »

No, I think I'm in the minority on hating Time Heist :P

I hated the editing in it, it just didn't look good to me. And I thought the premise was dumb, since

between the TARDIS and the suicide bomb things they had multiple shortcuts to the end that they didn't give any kind of rationale for not using. Like it's presented as them being sent in by a mysterious boss who for mysterious reasons doesn't want them going the easy way to the vault. But then it was the Doctor. So. Why didn't they just... go to the vault and rescue the prisoner with the TARDIS?

Because shortly after the heist the planet explodes or somethingsomething? I'm not entirely clear currently and may go back and rewatch, but essentially the heist was done during the only time it would be possible to do that and save that species. Certain things lined up to put them in place and bypass the security of some parts of the planet.

Also if you break it down like that, you could apply the magic TARDIS (just go back and do X) to every episode and make everything boring forever.

And season 8 is best season because Capaldi and his magic eyebrows.

Unlucky

Update to old Who: The Doctor just purposely broke the TARDIS to explore the planet they're on, regardless of the human's he literally has trapped on board with him. Humans: "TAKE US HOME!" The Doctor: "No, no I shant do that at all."

If anyone minds my occasional posting of old-Who, please speak up. I am personally enjoying this rollercoaster of 60's camp.

The 4-part episode is entitled "The Daleks". I never realised they were introduced so early. Also, did anyone know the TARDIS has a matter replicator on board? Because it does here.

Kashaar

Unlucky wrote: »

Also, did anyone know the TARDIS has a matter replicator on board? Because it does here.

Well... you never see the Doctor go shopping for stuff, do you?
Pretty sure that's also where all the historically adequate apparel comes from.

Taramoor

When Doc-11 and Clara go into the heart of the TARDIS (the salvage crew episode) they encounter the Matter reorganizer machine. It makes anything you want out of nothing.

DevoutlyApathetic

Dark Raven X wrote: »

No, I think I'm in the minority on hating Time Heist :P

I hated the editing in it, it just didn't look good to me. And I thought the premise was dumb, since

between the TARDIS and the suicide bomb things they had multiple shortcuts to the end that they didn't give any kind of rationale for not using. Like it's presented as them being sent in by a mysterious boss who for mysterious reasons doesn't want them going the easy way to the vault. But then it was the Doctor. So. Why didn't they just... go to the vault and rescue the prisoner with the TARDIS?

Been awhile but

The entire caper wasn't about how impossible it was to get the prisoner but that they needed to manipulate the mental state of the head banker woman to let it be possible to get them out of the vault. Add in a dose of predestination paradox where the old Doctor needs the young Doctor to do it the way he remembers and there you go.

Casual

Unlucky wrote: »

Update to old Who: The Doctor just purposely broke the TARDIS to explore the planet they're on, regardless of the human's he literally has trapped on board with him. Humans: "TAKE US HOME!" The Doctor: "No, no I shant do that at all."

If anyone minds my occasional posting of old-Who, please speak up. I am personally enjoying this rollercoaster of 60's camp.

The 4-part episode is entitled "The Daleks". I never realised they were introduced so early. Also, did anyone know the TARDIS has a matter replicator on board? Because it does here.

This is the doctor who thread dude, you can post any who related stuff you like! Old who included.

Casual

Ravenhpltc24 wrote: »

Flatline is officially one of my favorite episodes of NuWho. Like, top 5, easily. The whole season was littered with good episodes and great moments. It's hard not to find faults somewhere within any episode of DW, but I'd say that Robots of Sherwood, Time Heist, The Caretaker, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, and Dark Water all contained far more good than bad. It appears I'm somewhat alone on liking Time Heist, but I thought it was really exciting with a great monster!

Also I agree with all of this I liked time heist a lot!

Kashaar

Casual wrote: »

Ravenhpltc24 wrote: »

Flatline is officially one of my favorite episodes of NuWho. Like, top 5, easily. The whole season was littered with good episodes and great moments. It's hard not to find faults somewhere within any episode of DW, but I'd say that Robots of Sherwood, Time Heist, The Caretaker, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, and Dark Water all contained far more good than bad. It appears I'm somewhat alone on liking Time Heist, but I thought it was really exciting with a great monster!

Also I agree with all of this I liked time heist a lot!

The only thing there I disagree with is that Listen is not on the list! That was a top notch, A++ episode.

poshniallo

I loved Listen. Anything that is about the Doctor as a person, really.

And timey-wimey. I LOVE timey-wimey stuff. When I GM RPGs I have to put a lot of effort into not just copying Doctor Who and Terry Pratchett.

Greeper

I had the opposite reaction to Richy for this season.

after matt smith's atrocious farewell episode, I was ready to write off this show for good and never watch again.

I've been actually quite frustrated at how good it's been

Radiation

poshniallo wrote: »

I loved Listen. Anything that is about the Doctor as a person, really.

And timey-wimey. I LOVE timey-wimey stuff. When I GM RPGs I have to put a lot of effort into not just copying Doctor Who and Terry Pratchett.

But Pratchett is the greatest human being we've ever been able to produce.
I mean, sure there are other pretty good candidates, but he's it.

Unlucky

Casual wrote: »

Unlucky wrote: »

Update to old Who: The Doctor just purposely broke the TARDIS to explore the planet they're on, regardless of the human's he literally has trapped on board with him. Humans: "TAKE US HOME!" The Doctor: "No, no I shant do that at all."

If anyone minds my occasional posting of old-Who, please speak up. I am personally enjoying this rollercoaster of 60's camp.

The 4-part episode is entitled "The Daleks". I never realised they were introduced so early. Also, did anyone know the TARDIS has a matter replicator on board? Because it does here.

This is the doctor who thread dude, you can post any who related stuff you like! Old who included.

Fantastic.

I introduced someone new to the series recently, she's sat with me for Nine's whole run so far and loved it. We're up to early Tennants run. So many subtle things I'm noticing that have been picked up later on, it's actually really refreshing watching the series with hindsight available.

We've made a drinking game. Take a drink every time any of the following happens:

• The sonic is used
• The Doctor is a badarse
• Rose says something dumb
• Rose says something smart(Added in for Tennants run, she just gets way better then)
• Cheesy music plays
• Catchphrase is used (Two drinks)
• Jack flirts with someone(When he's around)
• Tennant goes 'Full Tennant'(I think people here understand)

Would recommend!

davidsdurions

I hope you are only watching one episode at a time. Otherwise that's a quick way to earn a trip to the ER with alcohol poisoning.

Radiation

Man, I don't know that it's advisable to watch half an episode with that.

Edit: Because I think its slightly relevant to you guys, here is a thing from the SE arts and crafts thread I'm working on.

Radiation wrote: »

So I've been trying to do a few different things for Secret Santa this year. This is the first part of it:


The idea is to melt aluminum and pour that shit into the routed out areas and make them flush with the wood. I think we are going to drill some holes in the back and clamp the shit out of it to a granite counter-top slab bit and pour in from the back. Then I'm going to try and dye the wood blue, shape it into maybe a oval (not sure yet), and make some decent edges.
Will post pics of other part sometime later this weekend.

Ark Evensong

That's pretty cool, but doesn't wood burn at molten aluminium temperatures?

It's possible that I have no idea what I'm talking about, and/or that there exist countermeasures to that which you are quite aware of. Just remember real wood can't keep itself from burning by "controlling oxygen", nor can it ward of solar flares.

Trace

Ark Evensong wrote: »

That's pretty cool, but doesn't wood burn at molten aluminium temperatures?

It's possible that I have no idea what I'm talking about, and/or that there exist countermeasures to that which you are quite aware of. Just remember real wood can't keep itself from burning by "controlling oxygen", nor can it ward of solar flares.

wet the wood.

Radiation

I'm hoping it singes and be done with it.
I've seen it used, and it could be based on the wood used as well:
http://www.marvelbuilding.com/unique-bench-combination-wood-aluminium-wood-casting.html

Unlucky

davidsdurions wrote: »

I hope you are only watching one episode at a time. Otherwise that's a quick way to earn a trip to the ER with alcohol poisoning.

Generally an episode and a half or so. Maybe two if we're feeling lucky. We're not doing shots, just, I dunno, sips? God help anyone who did it with shots. The sonic alone would have you under the table.

That's pretty awesome Radiation. Just sayin'

Mortious

So watched The Caretaker last night.

This one was a bit lacking for me. I liked the montage thing at the beginning, a nice little look at how the Doctor effects the lives of his companions. (which was also touched on with the Ponds).**

That said, I didn't like the this one. And the dynamic with Pink was off as well, it's like they didn't know what to do with him, so a lot of the time he just wanders around in a daze.

I'm starting to think that I'm not liking this Doctor very much. I liked the direction they were going with him in the first couple of episodes, especially the direction hinted at with the "Am I a good man" conversation, but they haven't done anything with him.

I think he's just gone senile.

That said, this series has good will to burn with me, so on to the next one!

**edit: On the companion thing. I'd like more of this dynamic, though now that Pink's in on it, I don't think it will work.

Because with Rose, Martha and the other one I forget the dynamic was them spending long times away from their family. Episodes would rarely start/end at "home" so contact was long distance phone calls/infrequent visits.

With the Ponds is was both of them together, and how that affects their relationship.

But this is the first one I can think of that's this firmley in the realm of once-off adventures happening between real life, and how that affects work and relationships.

manji

Unlucky wrote: »

Update to old Who: The Doctor just purposely broke the TARDIS to explore the planet they're on, regardless of the human's he literally has trapped on board with him. Humans: "TAKE US HOME!" The Doctor: "No, no I shant do that at all."

If anyone minds my occasional posting of old-Who, please speak up. I am personally enjoying this rollercoaster of 60's camp.

The 4-part episode is entitled "The Daleks". I never realised they were introduced so early. Also, did anyone know the TARDIS has a matter replicator on board? Because it does here.

ha! i'm also half way through the daleks. the horror channel has been showing old who and i've season linked it and am cherry picking serials based on comparative merit (and also changing up doctors each time). hartnell is probably the most interesting to watch as the characters heroism isn't all that explicit yet. on the contrary he seems unusually big on leaving people to their fates to save his (and susan's) skins...

Krathoon

This whole Santa business makes me think this is happening:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Brain

Are we back in the Land of Fiction again?

Krathoon

manji wrote: »

Unlucky wrote: »

Update to old Who: The Doctor just purposely broke the TARDIS to explore the planet they're on, regardless of the human's he literally has trapped on board with him. Humans: "TAKE US HOME!" The Doctor: "No, no I shant do that at all."

If anyone minds my occasional posting of old-Who, please speak up. I am personally enjoying this rollercoaster of 60's camp.

The 4-part episode is entitled "The Daleks". I never realised they were introduced so early. Also, did anyone know the TARDIS has a matter replicator on board? Because it does here.

ha! i'm also half way through the daleks. the horror channel has been showing old who and i've season linked it and am cherry picking serials based on comparative merit (and also changing up doctors each time). hartnell is probably the most interesting to watch as the characters heroism isn't all that explicit yet. on the contrary he seems unusually big on leaving people to their fates to save his (and susan's) skins...

It seems like the first Doctor is obnoxious and selfish while the second Doctor is immature and cares about his companions.

The show has always had a certain depth to it you don't see very often.

Schrodinger

Karen Gillan really raised the bar on her acting chops in this latest episode of "Selfie."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9gfeFcb8M

I'm going to be sad when this show is over.

Xeddicus

Mortious wrote: »

So watched The Caretaker last night.

This one was a bit lacking for me. I liked the montage thing at the beginning, a nice little look at how the Doctor effects the lives of his companions. (which was also touched on with the Ponds).**

That said, I didn't like the this one. And the dynamic with Pink was off as well, it's like they didn't know what to do with him, so a lot of the time he just wanders around in a daze.

I'm starting to think that I'm not liking this Doctor very much. I liked the direction they were going with him in the first couple of episodes, especially the direction hinted at with the "Am I a good man" conversation, but they haven't done anything with him.

I think he's just gone senile.

That said, this series has good will to burn with me, so on to the next one!

**edit: On the companion thing. I'd like more of this dynamic, though now that Pink's in on it, I don't think it will work.

Because with Rose, Martha and the other one I forget the dynamic was them spending long times away from their family. Episodes would rarely start/end at "home" so contact was long distance phone calls/infrequent visits.

With the Ponds is was both of them together, and how that affects their relationship.

But this is the first one I can think of that's this firmley in the realm of once-off adventures happening between real life, and how that affects work and relationships.

How the hell do you recall Martha and forget (I assume) Donna?!

I hope we get more with Clara next season. We'd have heard if she was out, yeah?