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Sucks losing that many tracks though.
Also, the general loss of R class cars.
If anything, the most interesting part about getting F5 right now is that we'll have to learn over half the game's tracks from scratch.
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Forza 2 didn't really have that many tracks either, just sort of accumulated them over time. Once the assets are done for a course it's much easier to keep it in future I imagine.
tbh the whole track list is very Forza 2 ish. given you have to remake the assets, it's not altogether surprising that courses were going to be cut. Less cars, but the car list is mostly alright. Just sad my R2 audi is gone.
I'm really going to miss Sunset, Maple and Camino.
I have to admit I'm glad to see Sedona is not coming back. Was never really a fan of that one.
On the upside, we're getting Bathurst, Spa, and Marina so there's that.
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Also only a dozen cars from the 80s?
pre-order cancelled.
I think this goes along with what they've said about setting their quality standard. Tracks are from the ground up in this meaning it'll hopefully all look similar. I definitely felt the detail in some tracks in 4 not lining up with others because they were mostly ports from F3.
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You basically have to redo them or you end up with Gran Turismo 1000 cars but 800 of them are just PS2 models please don't look closely. Except with tracks.
Specially when you're a first party title for a next gen console, have to show how shiny your shit is to push hardware. I imagine we'll see some of those tracks back in FM6, "NOW BACK, YOUR FAVORITE TRACKS FROM FORZA MOTORSPORT!" or something. also sunset can die in a fire.
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Certainly, but that's more a function of the racers than where they are racing
Edit: hell, FM2 shipped with 12 tracks, and got 2 more with DLC. This has 13 (not counting test track and test track airfield as 2) and nurburgring on the way with hopefully GP attached to it. idk, this is what happens when new generations of consoles occur. It's disappointing but shrug? There was no way you're gonna get 500 cars and 26 tracks again without another 2 games building on previous work.
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Oh well, hopefully they'll have some of them as DLC by the time I pick up a XBone.
14. Air Field is not Top Gear (it's in the launch trailer, mountains in the background, cars in a hanger), it's the replacement for the Forza 4 Benchmark tracks.
And yes, I'm sure we can find ways to roll in convincing fashion on any track.
The game isn't designed for what we want - it's made to be pretty and sell.
And as an in-house Microsoft studio with pretty much their flagship launch title, it's going to be scrutinized, so the truth is that everything coming out in it needs to look good so they can tote it appropriately. Besides, look how the world is sort of giving GT6 a leper treatment. Sure, it's got a load of content, but it's something of a Frankenstein's monster at this stage.
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Not a lot of new footage in these videos, but this first one is an interview with Greenwald and the stuff about the Drivatars and how the single-player races are set up is really cool:
This is just the IGN Preview, the new footage in it is the same as in the interview, but it is shorter. The footage of Bathurst is the biggest bit of "new shiny!":
This is more due to the fact that GT5 was kind of a not very good game than anything. Most people are looking at GT6 very cautiously as a result of that, but at least all the info about it seems very promising (especially the completely ballin' track creator). Forza 5 was a game I had high hopes for, but fuck buying a Forza that doesn't have Maple Valley or Suzuka. That's insanity. I'd basically be buying a $560 downgrade, and that isn't even getting into the fact that they dropped a huge load of cars I love (including my real-life car). In fact I just went and checked, and the 5 cars I drove the most in Forza 4 (Tesla, Spada, 1985 RX7, Transit, 1980 Esprit) are all gone.
Although I'm sure Turn 10 will have no problem selling all of those dropped cars and tracks, I mean they already showed with Horizon that they have no problem charging people twice for the same car.
Well, Polyphony hasn't shown the ability to make a modern racing game that isn't crap, and i'd rather just play FM4 instead of whatever they poop out on the PS3 if i want a current gen racing game. Why again would i be interested in GT6?
And if they sell the dropped cars and tracks, that means they clearly spent a lot of time and effort completely redoing them. Just because something came out on a totally different system at far lower resolution doesn't mean you are forever entitled to it re: future games. DLC is usually content you would not have gotten ever, not nefariously held back content. If there are some track packs besides nurburgring in the future, i'd be interested, since even looking at what they did to alps or sebring vs the old version is fairly stunning. Hardly looks like the same place. Clearly not an export old files to new thing, charge you money for them sort of deal.
I dunno, it might just be a different outlook on DLC, but DLC is not going anywhere and besides the usually questionable value proposition vs the whole game, i don't have a problem with it.
edit: also t10 didn't make horizon afaik?
GT5 is one bad game in a line of great games, and to their credit Polyphony did listen and released a whole lot of patches that made GT5 a hell of a lot better than it was at launch. GT6 seems like they are continuing the trend of listening to feedback and what went wrong in GT5, although I'm still dubious whether GT6 will be a true return to form for the series. But hey, it has Brands Hatch so whatever, I'm buying it just for that reason alone.
Forza Horizon had DLC cars that were straight-up ported from Forza 4 with the only changes being lights. This included cars that were DLC for Forza 4. That is very much a case of nefarious DLC and this is a trend that has been around in gaming this whole past generation, and shows no signs of getting any better. As for cutting as much content as they did, I think everyone knew some cars and tracks wouldn't be returning, but half of the content from Forza 4? And not just that, but old standbys like Maple Valley? Iconic cars like the Lotus Esprit and Lancia Stratos? If they were just losing shit like Twin Ring Motegi and all of the awful city cars, that'd be one thing. It's not even as much about how much they cut, but more about how so much of what they cut is what I loved about Forza 1-4. The car list does nothing for me; as already mentioned, the cars I drove the most in Forza 4 are just not in 5, and they cut out most of my absolute favorite tracks. But oh, at least they gave us a terrible Tilkedrome shithole in return, that was awfully nice of them!
I have not been let down by a game this much since Final Fantasy 8.
Ok? Personally the tracks you're outrage about losing i shrug and am far more interested in the new tracks. Go look at FM2's car and track list. That's the comparison point. And Horizon was made by a different developer. And yes cars are down even from that point, but shrug. If you don't want it just wait for FM6 and i bet there will be an extra 100 something cars and 4-5 more tracks, that is 100% a reasonable position. I doubt Maple Valley is ever coming back though, as they only have 3 fake tracks in this one afaik.
Also, GT games have never really felt great, they always feel super flat but i just hadn't ever experienced anything better before the Forza series. You couldn't pay me to go back.
edited to be less hostile
@Cubivore can you admit to yourself that you're just unhappy with the selections? You're toting very personal arguments, not objective ones. "If they just cut crap like Motegi ..." and "they cut the 5 cars I liked driving most" are statements that hold 0 water for most other people. I liked Motegi quite a bit. I enjoyed the Spada, but I don't care at all about dropping a Ford Transit.
Your DLC argument would be holding water if those models existed, but as Knight says, they don't. They can't pack in stuff for free money when they still have to make that stuff. Again, this isn't a Gran Turismo game where they just haul in old stuff. They have some cars they kept in FM5, as they could, but otherwise they remade them, and as I said above, there's a quality standard they had to aim for as a flagship game.
It's fine if you don't want to spend $560 for a product you don't want. That's the right thing to do as far as I'm concerned. I guess the problem I have is that you're arguing everyone should be outraged for your reasons when we all have pretty different reasons for playing this game. <_<
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I might still cancel and just wait it out for FM6 since i don't have a ton of money to throw around this holiday, but i dunno. This is what happens when new consoles come out? I think people just forget with how long it's been since the last release.
Otherwise, I'm pretty *shrug* about all the bitching. I'm looking forward to FM5 and the Xbox One. So are other people. If I wind up disappointed, I'll come to that conclusion of my own accord and I'm okay with that.
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This is from Bast's POV. You can see (and hear!) the exact moment that my shit bottomed out. There wasn't a damn thing I could do to save that car. Also I had no idea how close Bast was to murdering me when that happened, geez.
And now after sitting here and looking way too deep into the telemetry data and physics of a simple spin, I want to go back and watch every replay I have of someone losing it and do the same thing. Welp.
him "oh shit the waters overflowing out of the pot!"
me "how the hell'd you manage that?"
him "are you familiar with the principle of displacement?"
me "theres no replacement for it?"
him "because the ... *looks at me* oh fuck you"
It'll be good to race with you again Veevee but you wont be eligable for any points just FYI.
It's a damn good thing I don't race in cockpit view or I'd have soiled my flame retardant racing suit.