This is where MS' liability for this issue steps in. But I think we're under embargo for discussing that too much in this thread. The online thing.
Edit - Whoa what the hell was with that HTML conversion?
unless someone has an agreement with MS we aren't under an embargo. as for having the day one patch be pre-loaded, that assumes that it was finished in time to be loaded onto the consoles as they were being finished. its possible it wasn't ready until units started to ship, its possible it still isn't ready and wont go live until just before launch.
if MS could just pre-load the patch, there really wouldn't be any need for a patch, the system would just reconfigure on its initial boot up.
also there's a good chance that there's still some 'always online' code in there and the machine needs to connect to a server and authenticate before that part of the system can be fully patched out.
They've deactivated it because the current version of the OS gives access to debug/dev tools that should not be available to the general public.
This is really not that hard to grasp. The OS is not in a consumer-ready format. There's developer stuff on there that this guy doesn't get to play with.
Surely that can't be anywhere near right, wouldn't that mean at launch the unit you've got would just update to the standard Xbox One features? I know ultimately any Xbox One is going to be able to be used as a dev unit but that's not until in to 2014 is it?
It can be obtained from MS on disc if I remember correctly.
Throw one of those disks in each box/tell retailers to give everyone who buys an X1 one of the disks would seem the best solution.
This assumes that the patch will be available to print to disc well before the 22nd. From my understanding, the day one patch is being worked on right up until release.
If this is anything like 360 patches, you'll have several options to get it (disc, download to console, or download to PC and burn to disc/usb drive). Hopefully they'll at least include a pamphlet or something with the system that explains those options if you don't have an internet connection.
It can be obtained from MS on disc if I remember correctly.
Throw one of those disks in each box/tell retailers to give everyone who buys an X1 one of the disks would seem the best solution.
This assumes that the patch will be available to print to disc well before the 22nd. From my understanding, the day one patch is being worked on right up until release.
If this is anything like 360 patches, you'll have several options to get it (disc, download to console, or download to PC and burn to disc/usb drive). Hopefully they'll at least include a pamphlet or something with the system that explains those options if you don't have an internet connection.
Oh, I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere close to the final version, I'm just thinking you could throw in a basic one so that your console works offline.
Although thinking about it, this might be a bad idea since it would overcomplicate the issue and you'd end up with people going "But I installed the patch from the disk and so I didn't need to connect to the internet, so why is X feature not here" and the like.
Probably better in the end to make one clearing house for the patching.
They've deactivated it because the current version of the OS gives access to debug/dev tools that should not be available to the general public.
This is really not that hard to grasp. The OS is not in a consumer-ready format. There's developer stuff on there that this guy doesn't get to play with.
Surely that can't be anywhere near right, wouldn't that mean at launch the unit you've got would just update to the standard Xbox One features? I know ultimately any Xbox One is going to be able to be used as a dev unit but that's not until in to 2014 is it?
Right now three groups of people have access to the patch servers: Microsoft employees, developers, and press. To make it easy for those groups to do their jobs (test features, debug features, review features) I imagine they've given unlimited access to some things that should be limited (such as services like Netflix and Hulu and Xbox Music/Video), as well as info that shouldn't be in the hands of consumers (debug features).
Their is no reason for them not to do it this way, the servers aren't available to the public at the moment (well, they were, but that was an oversight).
Also, the system has updates pushed to it several times a week (or day), more than likely without the worry of them being unstable (because if they are unstable and brick systems they know who has them and can send out info on how to fix it).
Gaining access to the update servers right now is akin to gaining access to a broadway show rehearsal. You're not suppose to be there, and some of the things you see you might not understand/will change before opening.
It can be obtained from MS on disc if I remember correctly.
Throw one of those disks in each box/tell retailers to give everyone who buys an X1 one of the disks would seem the best solution.
This assumes that the patch will be available to print to disc well before the 22nd. From my understanding, the day one patch is being worked on right up until release.
If this is anything like 360 patches, you'll have several options to get it (disc, download to console, or download to PC and burn to disc/usb drive). Hopefully they'll at least include a pamphlet or something with the system that explains those options if you don't have an internet connection.
Oh, I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere close to the final version, I'm just thinking you could throw in a basic one so that your console works offline.
Although thinking about it, this might be a bad idea since it would overcomplicate the issue and you'd end up with people going "But I installed the patch from the disk and so I didn't need to connect to the internet, so why is X feature not here" and the like.
Probably better in the end to make one clearing house for the patching.
MS have also said that there are some apps that aren't ready yet and that those will be included with the day one patch. so it really is about getting the console up to full functionality without having to push back the release date.
They've deactivated it because the current version of the OS gives access to debug/dev tools that should not be available to the general public.
This is really not that hard to grasp. The OS is not in a consumer-ready format. There's developer stuff on there that this guy doesn't get to play with.
Surely that can't be anywhere near right, wouldn't that mean at launch the unit you've got would just update to the standard Xbox One features? I know ultimately any Xbox One is going to be able to be used as a dev unit but that's not until in to 2014 is it?
Not "developer(making games)", "developer(making Xbox)". The dev kit release will in no way include widgets to let you debug the Xbox itself.
It was my understanding that the early Xbox guy had been banned permanently. If in fact he has only been blocked until the actual release date, then I'm with Shryke - fuck it, who cares?
It was my understanding that the early Xbox guy had been banned permanently. If in fact he has only been blocked until the actual release date, then I'm with Shryke - fuck it, who cares?
Who cares because microsoft filed a false complaint with youtube to put a strike against his account and get the videos taken down with no legal standing to do so.
You only get three of these strikes.
That's a serious deal for a corporation able to overreach and control bits of the rest of my lofe because it inconveniences them.
They've deactivated it because the current version of the OS gives access to debug/dev tools that should not be available to the general public.
This is really not that hard to grasp. The OS is not in a consumer-ready format. There's developer stuff on there that this guy doesn't get to play with.
Surely that can't be anywhere near right, wouldn't that mean at launch the unit you've got would just update to the standard Xbox One features? I know ultimately any Xbox One is going to be able to be used as a dev unit but that's not until in to 2014 is it?
Right now three groups of people have access to the patch servers: Microsoft employees, developers, and press. To make it easy for those groups to do their jobs (test features, debug features, review features) I imagine they've given unlimited access to some things that should be limited (such as services like Netflix and Hulu and Xbox Music/Video), as well as info that shouldn't be in the hands of consumers (debug features).
Their is no reason for them not to do it this way, the servers aren't available to the public at the moment (well, they were, but that was an oversight).
Also, the system has updates pushed to it several times a week (or day), more than likely without the worry of them being unstable (because if they are unstable and brick systems they know who has them and can send out info on how to fix it).
Gaining access to the update servers right now is akin to gaining access to a broadway show rehearsal. You're not suppose to be there, and some of the things you see you might not understand/will change before opening.
I seriously doubt any of this is true since that would present a massive security hole just waiting to be exploited. Anyone who needs access to using a console before launch is likely to have special test or dev hardware and isn't likely to be using standard hardware.
The guy's paid his money and received his product. he should be able to do with it as he pleases. He's not constrained by the same agreements the gaming press are. He hasn't signed an NDA, or a contract. A 'street date' is of no relevance to him as that's between supplier and retailer.
Except apparently it is of relevance to him. Cause the manufacturer can enforce their streetdate.
I'm not seeing the problem here. There's nothing wrong going on, the store error is simply not in his favour after all.
Are you saying he's supposed to just sit and stare at it for another two weeks?
Apparently that's exactly what he'll have to do. Which is identical to what he'd have to do if it weren't for the mixup at Target. This is literally the situation he had planned for when he bought the product, so why is it suddenly wrong? This is what he expected to happen when he hit the order button and lo, it has come to pass.
There's a difference between ordering something and having to wait until it's delivered and receiving something and not using it because 'reasons'. Don't be a goose. the onus isn't on him to not use something he's bought with his own money and received, the onus is on Target not to send out stuff before they're supposed to.
All these posts jumping to the defence of MS and telling the guy to suck it up smacks of sour grapes because he's received his early; "Well I haven't got mine, why should he play his boo hoo"
Sour grapes? Why would you even think that? No one is mad at the guy, they are just indifferent to him not getting to accidentally play early. You people are literally upset that he doesn't get to benefit from Target's fuckup. I don't see why anyone should care.
I don't think nor have ever said the guy did anything wrong. It's not his or MS's fault that Target fucked up. There's no onus on him for anything.
But none of that is relevant to the current situation since no one is saying he did anything wrong. All they are saying is they don't see anything wrong with him not getting any chance to play early. All that's happened is he hasn't been allowed to benefit from the fuckup.
If a couch fell off a shipping truck in front of you and later the police came by and said "Sorry man, you don't get to keep the free thing that accidentally fell into your lap", you haven't been robbed. You just haven't gotten to benefit from random good luck/screw-ups.
Again, if come the 22nd his console is still bricked, then it's certainly wrong. He paid for the product and it arrived early through no fault of his own. Till then, there's nothing here to get worked up about.
Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
He got a product before the release date. MS disabled it because it's not supposed to be released yet. I'm sure on release day he will get it back.
Sometimes a glitch plays in your favour. Here is didn't, even though he thought it would at first.
Except he purchased a working product, and the manufacturer abritrarily said "no, you can't play this yet". There is no legal grounds for them to just disable his system; he's done nothing wrong. I could 100% understand them denying access to their servers until release day, but disabling the system? It's basically a perfect example of why everything about Microsoft's entire approach to the Xbone has been horribly wrong.
"Oh no, I can't play my X1 before the street-date" is not even a small deal. It's no deal. Who the fuck cares?
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing? Everybody who might be considering do that same? When you buy shit, you expect it to work.
Unless we're just dismissing the notion of consumer rights completely.
This whole thing sets a horrible precedent for Microsoft, because it shows they have no issue with swiftly and arbitrarily breaking your shit if they don't like what you're doing.
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing expected to be able to play it no earlier then the 22nd.
Until he isn't getting what he paid for, nothing that happened is a problem.
Also, MS almost certainly has legal grounds (though possibly untested ones) for this kind of shit in the TOS or some equivalent agreement.
Perhaps MS are within their rights.
On the other hand, they aren't really selling us on an all digital, always online future, are they?
I guess that depends on whether you've been to the all digital future yet or not. Not being able to use something before launch date is so normal for anything that involves online stuff, this doesn't even register as an issue to me.
Frankly, I'm surprised he could even connect to MS's servers in the first place.
Riiight, because not a single PA'er used a Korean VPN in order to unlock BF4 earlier than it's street date. THOSE FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINALS!
He got a product before the release date. MS disabled it because it's not supposed to be released yet. I'm sure on release day he will get it back.
Sometimes a glitch plays in your favour. Here is didn't, even though he thought it would at first.
Except he purchased a working product, and the manufacturer abritrarily said "no, you can't play this yet". There is no legal grounds for them to just disable his system; he's done nothing wrong. I could 100% understand them denying access to their servers until release day, but disabling the system? It's basically a perfect example of why everything about Microsoft's entire approach to the Xbone has been horribly wrong.
"Oh no, I can't play my X1 before the street-date" is not even a small deal. It's no deal. Who the fuck cares?
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing? Everybody who might be considering do that same? When you buy shit, you expect it to work.
Unless we're just dismissing the notion of consumer rights completely.
This whole thing sets a horrible precedent for Microsoft, because it shows they have no issue with swiftly and arbitrarily breaking your shit if they don't like what you're doing.
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing expected to be able to play it no earlier then the 22nd.
Until he isn't getting what he paid for, nothing that happened is a problem.
Also, MS almost certainly has legal grounds (though possibly untested ones) for this kind of shit in the TOS or some equivalent agreement.
Perhaps MS are within their rights.
On the other hand, they aren't really selling us on an all digital, always online future, are they?
I guess that depends on whether you've been to the all digital future yet or not. Not being able to use something before launch date is so normal for anything that involves online stuff, this doesn't even register as an issue to me.
Frankly, I'm surprised he could even connect to MS's servers in the first place.
Riiight, because not a single PA'er used a Korean VPN in order to unlock BF4 earlier than it's street date. THOSE FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINALS!
That's not even close to what he said.
It's microsoft's right to only allow access to their services after the release date. There is nothing wrong with that.
Trying to find a legitimate way around that is also a consumer's right. There is nothing wrong with that either.
He got a product before the release date. MS disabled it because it's not supposed to be released yet. I'm sure on release day he will get it back.
Sometimes a glitch plays in your favour. Here is didn't, even though he thought it would at first.
Except he purchased a working product, and the manufacturer abritrarily said "no, you can't play this yet". There is no legal grounds for them to just disable his system; he's done nothing wrong. I could 100% understand them denying access to their servers until release day, but disabling the system? It's basically a perfect example of why everything about Microsoft's entire approach to the Xbone has been horribly wrong.
"Oh no, I can't play my X1 before the street-date" is not even a small deal. It's no deal. Who the fuck cares?
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing? Everybody who might be considering do that same? When you buy shit, you expect it to work.
Unless we're just dismissing the notion of consumer rights completely.
This whole thing sets a horrible precedent for Microsoft, because it shows they have no issue with swiftly and arbitrarily breaking your shit if they don't like what you're doing.
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing expected to be able to play it no earlier then the 22nd.
Until he isn't getting what he paid for, nothing that happened is a problem.
Also, MS almost certainly has legal grounds (though possibly untested ones) for this kind of shit in the TOS or some equivalent agreement.
Perhaps MS are within their rights.
On the other hand, they aren't really selling us on an all digital, always online future, are they?
I guess that depends on whether you've been to the all digital future yet or not. Not being able to use something before launch date is so normal for anything that involves online stuff, this doesn't even register as an issue to me.
Frankly, I'm surprised he could even connect to MS's servers in the first place.
Riiight, because not a single PA'er used a Korean VPN in order to unlock BF4 earlier than it's street date. THOSE FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINALS!
That's not even close to what he said.
It's microsoft's right to only allow access to their services after the release date. There is nothing wrong with that.
Trying to find a legitimate way around that is also a consumer's right. There is nothing wrong with that either.
The argument is entirely about whether the customer has some sort of RIGHT to use the product early if he or she is the beneficiary of a screwup.
if by 'product' in that sentence he means Live, sure, if he means the actual console, then no. If it's the latter, of course he has a right to use it, he's paid for the damned thing.
He got a product before the release date. MS disabled it because it's not supposed to be released yet. I'm sure on release day he will get it back.
Sometimes a glitch plays in your favour. Here is didn't, even though he thought it would at first.
Except he purchased a working product, and the manufacturer abritrarily said "no, you can't play this yet". There is no legal grounds for them to just disable his system; he's done nothing wrong. I could 100% understand them denying access to their servers until release day, but disabling the system? It's basically a perfect example of why everything about Microsoft's entire approach to the Xbone has been horribly wrong.
"Oh no, I can't play my X1 before the street-date" is not even a small deal. It's no deal. Who the fuck cares?
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing? Everybody who might be considering do that same? When you buy shit, you expect it to work.
Unless we're just dismissing the notion of consumer rights completely.
This whole thing sets a horrible precedent for Microsoft, because it shows they have no issue with swiftly and arbitrarily breaking your shit if they don't like what you're doing.
The guy who paid over 500 bucks to get the thing expected to be able to play it no earlier then the 22nd.
Until he isn't getting what he paid for, nothing that happened is a problem.
Also, MS almost certainly has legal grounds (though possibly untested ones) for this kind of shit in the TOS or some equivalent agreement.
Perhaps MS are within their rights.
On the other hand, they aren't really selling us on an all digital, always online future, are they?
I guess that depends on whether you've been to the all digital future yet or not. Not being able to use something before launch date is so normal for anything that involves online stuff, this doesn't even register as an issue to me.
Frankly, I'm surprised he could even connect to MS's servers in the first place.
Riiight, because not a single PA'er used a Korean VPN in order to unlock BF4 earlier than it's street date. THOSE FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINALS!
That's not even close to what he said.
It's microsoft's right to only allow access to their services after the release date. There is nothing wrong with that.
Trying to find a legitimate way around that is also a consumer's right. There is nothing wrong with that either.
The argument is entirely about whether the customer has some sort of RIGHT to use the product early if he or she is the beneficiary of a screwup.
if by 'product' in that sentence he means Live, sure, if he means the actual console, then no. If it's the latter, of course he has a right to use it, he's paid for the damned thing.
And he can use the console, so the assumption would be that people are talking about what is happening and not what isn't happening.
If the console as shipped is useless without live that's like complaining you can't play a copy of a steamworks game early because it won't unlock early.
In other words, a console is only as useful as the installed software allows it to be.
Since he's said he can play single player, this seems like one of the more stupid arguments surrounding the consoles I've seen. Even if he could access Live, who would he play with?
The guy's paid his money and received his product. he should be able to do with it as he pleases. He's not constrained by the same agreements the gaming press are. He hasn't signed an NDA, or a contract. A 'street date' is of no relevance to him as that's between supplier and retailer.
Except apparently it is of relevance to him. Cause the manufacturer can enforce their streetdate.
I'm not seeing the problem here. There's nothing wrong going on, the store error is simply not in his favour after all.
Are you saying he's supposed to just sit and stare at it for another two weeks?
Apparently that's exactly what he'll have to do. Which is identical to what he'd have to do if it weren't for the mixup at Target. This is literally the situation he had planned for when he bought the product, so why is it suddenly wrong? This is what he expected to happen when he hit the order button and lo, it has come to pass.
There's a difference between ordering something and having to wait until it's delivered and receiving something and not using it because 'reasons'. Don't be a goose. the onus isn't on him to not use something he's bought with his own money and received, the onus is on Target not to send out stuff before they're supposed to.
All these posts jumping to the defence of MS and telling the guy to suck it up smacks of sour grapes because he's received his early; "Well I haven't got mine, why should he play his boo hoo"
Sour grapes? Why would you even think that? No one is mad at the guy, they are just indifferent to him not getting to accidentally play early. You people are literally upset that he doesn't get to benefit from Target's fuckup. I don't see why anyone should care.
I don't think nor have ever said the guy did anything wrong. It's not his or MS's fault that Target fucked up. There's no onus on him for anything.
But none of that is relevant to the current situation since no one is saying he did anything wrong. All they are saying is they don't see anything wrong with him not getting any chance to play early. All that's happened is he hasn't been allowed to benefit from the fuckup.
If a couch fell off a shipping truck in front of you and later the police came by and said "Sorry man, you don't get to keep the free thing that accidentally fell into your lap", you haven't been robbed. You just haven't gotten to benefit from random good luck/screw-ups.
Again, if come the 22nd his console is still bricked, then it's certainly wrong. He paid for the product and it arrived early through no fault of his own. Till then, there's nothing here to get worked up about.
Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
Don't get worked up because you can't grasp a simple analogy.
Him getting it early is him getting something for "free". He gets ... what, 15 days of play time before he's supposed to. This wasn't something he planned for or expected or is entitled to because of his purchase. As such him losing that extra play time is no big deal. Just like a couch falling off a truck isn't something you plan for or expect. It just falls into your lap by chance. And if you can keep it, great. If it gets taken away, it's no loss. Easy come, easy go. Seriously, it's not a complicated analogy.
His purchase does not entitle him to use of his console before the release date so there's nothing wrong with him being unable to use it.
The argument is entirely about whether the customer has some sort of RIGHT to use the product early if he or she is the beneficiary of a screwup.
if by 'product' in that sentence he means Live, sure, if he means the actual console, then no. If it's the latter, of course he has a right to use it, he's paid for the damned thing.
And if he can't use it after the actual release date, then he's being screwed. If he can't use it before then, who cares?
There's nothing to complain about if he can't gain extra value from a shipping error.
The guy's paid his money and received his product. he should be able to do with it as he pleases. He's not constrained by the same agreements the gaming press are. He hasn't signed an NDA, or a contract. A 'street date' is of no relevance to him as that's between supplier and retailer.
Except apparently it is of relevance to him. Cause the manufacturer can enforce their streetdate.
I'm not seeing the problem here. There's nothing wrong going on, the store error is simply not in his favour after all.
Are you saying he's supposed to just sit and stare at it for another two weeks?
Apparently that's exactly what he'll have to do. Which is identical to what he'd have to do if it weren't for the mixup at Target. This is literally the situation he had planned for when he bought the product, so why is it suddenly wrong? This is what he expected to happen when he hit the order button and lo, it has come to pass.
There's a difference between ordering something and having to wait until it's delivered and receiving something and not using it because 'reasons'. Don't be a goose. the onus isn't on him to not use something he's bought with his own money and received, the onus is on Target not to send out stuff before they're supposed to.
All these posts jumping to the defence of MS and telling the guy to suck it up smacks of sour grapes because he's received his early; "Well I haven't got mine, why should he play his boo hoo"
Sour grapes? Why would you even think that? No one is mad at the guy, they are just indifferent to him not getting to accidentally play early. You people are literally upset that he doesn't get to benefit from Target's fuckup. I don't see why anyone should care.
I don't think nor have ever said the guy did anything wrong. It's not his or MS's fault that Target fucked up. There's no onus on him for anything.
But none of that is relevant to the current situation since no one is saying he did anything wrong. All they are saying is they don't see anything wrong with him not getting any chance to play early. All that's happened is he hasn't been allowed to benefit from the fuckup.
If a couch fell off a shipping truck in front of you and later the police came by and said "Sorry man, you don't get to keep the free thing that accidentally fell into your lap", you haven't been robbed. You just haven't gotten to benefit from random good luck/screw-ups.
Again, if come the 22nd his console is still bricked, then it's certainly wrong. He paid for the product and it arrived early through no fault of his own. Till then, there's nothing here to get worked up about.
Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
Don't get worked up because you can't grasp a simple analogy.
Him getting it early is him getting something for "free". He gets ... what, 15 days of play time before he's supposed to. This wasn't something he planned for or expected or is entitled to because of his purchase. As such him losing that extra play time is no big deal. Just like a couch falling off a truck isn't something you plan for or expect. It just falls into your lap by chance. And if you can keep it, great. If it gets taken away, it's no loss. Easy come, easy go. Seriously, it's not a complicated analogy.
His purchase does not entitle him to use of his console before the release date so there's nothing wrong with him being unable to use it.
Just so we're absolutely clear, and for the benefit of everyone else here, you're not arguing just against him being able to access Live early, you are actually arguing that it's no big deal if he can't actually play his console earlier than the street date?
I'm just curious how just this one guy managed to have Target ship his console to him early. I have a feeling we aren't getting the whole truth from any party.
I'd just like to highlight this post from the LEGO thread in D&D :
I'm just curious how just this one guy managed to have Target ship his console to him early. I have a feeling we aren't getting the whole truth from any party.
I'd just like to highlight this post from the LEGO thread in D&D :
Walmart's price glitch was price matched by my local Target.
Yeah, I can totally buy Target making mistakes.
IIRC, Target was actually price-matching a Walmart ad with that; so blame Walmart.
Yes, but one assumes they bought it from Target because Walmart wouldn't honour the price due to it being a glitch? A competent Target employee might check whether it's a genuine price or not before selling a $70 item for $11.
The guy's paid his money and received his product. he should be able to do with it as he pleases. He's not constrained by the same agreements the gaming press are. He hasn't signed an NDA, or a contract. A 'street date' is of no relevance to him as that's between supplier and retailer.
Except apparently it is of relevance to him. Cause the manufacturer can enforce their streetdate.
I'm not seeing the problem here. There's nothing wrong going on, the store error is simply not in his favour after all.
Are you saying he's supposed to just sit and stare at it for another two weeks?
Apparently that's exactly what he'll have to do. Which is identical to what he'd have to do if it weren't for the mixup at Target. This is literally the situation he had planned for when he bought the product, so why is it suddenly wrong? This is what he expected to happen when he hit the order button and lo, it has come to pass.
There's a difference between ordering something and having to wait until it's delivered and receiving something and not using it because 'reasons'. Don't be a goose. the onus isn't on him to not use something he's bought with his own money and received, the onus is on Target not to send out stuff before they're supposed to.
All these posts jumping to the defence of MS and telling the guy to suck it up smacks of sour grapes because he's received his early; "Well I haven't got mine, why should he play his boo hoo"
Sour grapes? Why would you even think that? No one is mad at the guy, they are just indifferent to him not getting to accidentally play early. You people are literally upset that he doesn't get to benefit from Target's fuckup. I don't see why anyone should care.
I don't think nor have ever said the guy did anything wrong. It's not his or MS's fault that Target fucked up. There's no onus on him for anything.
But none of that is relevant to the current situation since no one is saying he did anything wrong. All they are saying is they don't see anything wrong with him not getting any chance to play early. All that's happened is he hasn't been allowed to benefit from the fuckup.
If a couch fell off a shipping truck in front of you and later the police came by and said "Sorry man, you don't get to keep the free thing that accidentally fell into your lap", you haven't been robbed. You just haven't gotten to benefit from random good luck/screw-ups.
Again, if come the 22nd his console is still bricked, then it's certainly wrong. He paid for the product and it arrived early through no fault of his own. Till then, there's nothing here to get worked up about.
Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
Don't get worked up because you can't grasp a simple analogy.
Him getting it early is him getting something for "free". He gets ... what, 15 days of play time before he's supposed to. This wasn't something he planned for or expected or is entitled to because of his purchase. As such him losing that extra play time is no big deal. Just like a couch falling off a truck isn't something you plan for or expect. It just falls into your lap by chance. And if you can keep it, great. If it gets taken away, it's no loss. Easy come, easy go. Seriously, it's not a complicated analogy.
His purchase does not entitle him to use of his console before the release date so there's nothing wrong with him being unable to use it.
Just so we're absolutely clear, and for the benefit of everyone else here, you're not arguing just against him being able to access Live early, you are actually arguing that it's no big deal if he can't actually play his console earlier than the street date?
I'm arguing it doesn't matter either way.
Target screwed up and he got his console early. If he can use it, congrats to him. If he can't, who cares. Easy come, easy go.
If he can't use it after release day, then that's complete bullshit.
The guy's paid his money and received his product. he should be able to do with it as he pleases. He's not constrained by the same agreements the gaming press are. He hasn't signed an NDA, or a contract. A 'street date' is of no relevance to him as that's between supplier and retailer.
Except apparently it is of relevance to him. Cause the manufacturer can enforce their streetdate.
I'm not seeing the problem here. There's nothing wrong going on, the store error is simply not in his favour after all.
Are you saying he's supposed to just sit and stare at it for another two weeks?
Apparently that's exactly what he'll have to do. Which is identical to what he'd have to do if it weren't for the mixup at Target. This is literally the situation he had planned for when he bought the product, so why is it suddenly wrong? This is what he expected to happen when he hit the order button and lo, it has come to pass.
There's a difference between ordering something and having to wait until it's delivered and receiving something and not using it because 'reasons'. Don't be a goose. the onus isn't on him to not use something he's bought with his own money and received, the onus is on Target not to send out stuff before they're supposed to.
All these posts jumping to the defence of MS and telling the guy to suck it up smacks of sour grapes because he's received his early; "Well I haven't got mine, why should he play his boo hoo"
Sour grapes? Why would you even think that? No one is mad at the guy, they are just indifferent to him not getting to accidentally play early. You people are literally upset that he doesn't get to benefit from Target's fuckup. I don't see why anyone should care.
I don't think nor have ever said the guy did anything wrong. It's not his or MS's fault that Target fucked up. There's no onus on him for anything.
But none of that is relevant to the current situation since no one is saying he did anything wrong. All they are saying is they don't see anything wrong with him not getting any chance to play early. All that's happened is he hasn't been allowed to benefit from the fuckup.
If a couch fell off a shipping truck in front of you and later the police came by and said "Sorry man, you don't get to keep the free thing that accidentally fell into your lap", you haven't been robbed. You just haven't gotten to benefit from random good luck/screw-ups.
Again, if come the 22nd his console is still bricked, then it's certainly wrong. He paid for the product and it arrived early through no fault of his own. Till then, there's nothing here to get worked up about.
Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
Don't get worked up because you can't grasp a simple analogy.
Him getting it early is him getting something for "free". He gets ... what, 15 days of play time before he's supposed to. This wasn't something he planned for or expected or is entitled to because of his purchase. As such him losing that extra play time is no big deal. Just like a couch falling off a truck isn't something you plan for or expect. It just falls into your lap by chance. And if you can keep it, great. If it gets taken away, it's no loss. Easy come, easy go. Seriously, it's not a complicated analogy.
His purchase does not entitle him to use of his console before the release date so there's nothing wrong with him being unable to use it.
Just so we're absolutely clear, and for the benefit of everyone else here, you're not arguing just against him being able to access Live early, you are actually arguing that it's no big deal if he can't actually play his console earlier than the street date?
I'm arguing it doesn't matter either way.
Target screwed up and he got his console early. If he can use it, congrats to him. If he can't, who cares. Easy come, easy go.
If he can't use it after release day, then that's complete bullshit.
Well your last post makes it seem like you're against him playing the item he's received because he has it earlier than everyone else. That he paid his money for it seems irrelevant to you. Once money has exchanged hands, he can do whatever he pleases. He owns the item and he's entitled to use said item as intended. He's not restricted by some arbitrary date set between MS and retailers. Now, MS has every right to say he can't use Live until the 22nd but you can't say he can't use the actual console until then and MS.
The guy's paid his money and received his product. he should be able to do with it as he pleases. He's not constrained by the same agreements the gaming press are. He hasn't signed an NDA, or a contract. A 'street date' is of no relevance to him as that's between supplier and retailer.
Except apparently it is of relevance to him. Cause the manufacturer can enforce their streetdate.
I'm not seeing the problem here. There's nothing wrong going on, the store error is simply not in his favour after all.
Are you saying he's supposed to just sit and stare at it for another two weeks?
Apparently that's exactly what he'll have to do. Which is identical to what he'd have to do if it weren't for the mixup at Target. This is literally the situation he had planned for when he bought the product, so why is it suddenly wrong? This is what he expected to happen when he hit the order button and lo, it has come to pass.
There's a difference between ordering something and having to wait until it's delivered and receiving something and not using it because 'reasons'. Don't be a goose. the onus isn't on him to not use something he's bought with his own money and received, the onus is on Target not to send out stuff before they're supposed to.
All these posts jumping to the defence of MS and telling the guy to suck it up smacks of sour grapes because he's received his early; "Well I haven't got mine, why should he play his boo hoo"
Sour grapes? Why would you even think that? No one is mad at the guy, they are just indifferent to him not getting to accidentally play early. You people are literally upset that he doesn't get to benefit from Target's fuckup. I don't see why anyone should care.
I don't think nor have ever said the guy did anything wrong. It's not his or MS's fault that Target fucked up. There's no onus on him for anything.
But none of that is relevant to the current situation since no one is saying he did anything wrong. All they are saying is they don't see anything wrong with him not getting any chance to play early. All that's happened is he hasn't been allowed to benefit from the fuckup.
If a couch fell off a shipping truck in front of you and later the police came by and said "Sorry man, you don't get to keep the free thing that accidentally fell into your lap", you haven't been robbed. You just haven't gotten to benefit from random good luck/screw-ups.
Again, if come the 22nd his console is still bricked, then it's certainly wrong. He paid for the product and it arrived early through no fault of his own. Till then, there's nothing here to get worked up about.
Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
Don't get worked up because you can't grasp a simple analogy.
Him getting it early is him getting something for "free". He gets ... what, 15 days of play time before he's supposed to. This wasn't something he planned for or expected or is entitled to because of his purchase. As such him losing that extra play time is no big deal. Just like a couch falling off a truck isn't something you plan for or expect. It just falls into your lap by chance. And if you can keep it, great. If it gets taken away, it's no loss. Easy come, easy go. Seriously, it's not a complicated analogy.
His purchase does not entitle him to use of his console before the release date so there's nothing wrong with him being unable to use it.
Just so we're absolutely clear, and for the benefit of everyone else here, you're not arguing just against him being able to access Live early, you are actually arguing that it's no big deal if he can't actually play his console earlier than the street date?
I'm arguing it doesn't matter either way.
Target screwed up and he got his console early. If he can use it, congrats to him. If he can't, who cares. Easy come, easy go.
If he can't use it after release day, then that's complete bullshit.
Well your last post makes it seem like you're against him playing the item he's received because he has it earlier than everyone else. That he paid his money for it seems irrelevant to you. Once money has exchanged hands, he can do whatever he pleases. He owns the item and he's entitled to use said item as intended. He's not restricted by some arbitrary date set between MS and retailers. Now, MS has every right to say he can't use Live until the 22nd but you can't say he can't use the actual console until then and MS.
Apparently he is restricted by the release date though.
That he paid his money means he gets to use it on the day it was supposed to be shipped on. That's what he paid for. That's all I care about.
Anything before that is just bonus for him. If he doesn't get it, who cares.
The real question is: How many people besides this guy got an Xbone early?
If the answer is none: WTF!?
If the answer is more than one: What happened/happens to them, and why have we not heard about it?
it was a shipping error. Target didn't have a date assigned to the shipment so a few consoles were sent out by the one warehouse that didn't notice the error.
yeah, what exactly about the situation over the last 24 hour would possibly suggest to anyone that MS had orchestrated all this? that would have to be one of the biggest PR blunders ever, even more so that the 'always online'.
"Oh, I know what we could do, we could ship a few pre-order units and then ban the people that try to use them! That'll really get that hype train moving!"
The separate issue I have with it is the continued pattern of Microsoft just having absolutely no PR tact whatsoever this launch.
The real issue I'm seeing here isn't consumer rights and all that (while that is certainly an issue), it's just the fact that every single thing in the whole institution has been knee-jerk reactions that don't get any sort of attention or answers from corporate until the internet raises a loud enough shitstorm for them to say something. And even then, they don't seem to say something in any cohesive manner.
I mean, everything from Adam Orth to this has just been a giant series of stupid comments (and lack of comment) that just grow and grow.
Any ONE of these issues, alone, would be fine. I'd have no problem giving my support to them. But the seemingly endless stream of stuff that makes me uneasy is just too much.
I understand that people who defend MS think that there's piling on going on, and people who just want to tear down the XBOne no matter what. But the thing is - there's only stuff to point at because they keep doing stupid stuff.
The PS4 DLNA media server and MP3 stuff should be huge. It should be a giant albatross around the neck of the PS4, Sony should be ashamed and it should be trumpeted from everywhere that the ball was dropped. But within a few hours of the PS4 FAQ coming out, the president of Sony tweeted that they'd look into it, and before the night was over talked publicly about the "productive meeting" about adding that stuff in. And just like that, it was over. It was a very flexable answer - Who knows what was discussed? Who knows if they'll do it? But it was casual, conversational, and just showed a general sense of "We're speaking with our fans and supporters. We're not above them. We're with them."
Contrast that to everything I've seen from MS. Even something like this just becomes some insane web of "Well what if" and "I bet" and "maybe he". You've got MS guys all over NEOgaf now, who should know what the hardcore of the hardcore want to hear, and you still get jumbled messages and weirdness.
If the console ban was an automatic thing as some suggested - why not say that? "The console got banned once the system noticed it wasn't authorized. It will be reversed on launch day. And thanks for the kind words!" THERE, the conversation ends! But it still continues on because this morning it was poor Major Nelson saying "Well let me look into this." and then more rumors and speculation and all that. They have no idea how to get out in front of anything, and they absolutely have no idea how to control ANY story.
Even with the aforementioned DLNA stuff - that was a HUGE missed chance for the XBOne. Major Nelson should have been out within MINUTES saying "Yeah we support all that!". But instead I remembered reading yet another "Let me look into that" and then I have no idea what the outcome was (I think audio CD's and some sort of server support but no MP3?) Either way - they had a chance to finally pounce, and they didn't. They had no message. When rumors of the always online came up, Sony had a huge fucking chart at E3. When the sharing of games came up, Sony whipped up a funny YouTube video making fun of it. When THIS early XBox got banned, Yoshida simply tweeted that any PS4 in the wild wouldn't be online banned. I have no idea if the PS4 can even GET online - but the PR message was there, it was clear and it came out in a timely manner when the story was still on everyone's minds.
A PR department does not make hardware or software. It does not have any bearing on if the system is good or bad, and if I will enjoy it. But it cultivates a feeling around your brand - its supposed to give your customer a sense of what they're getting. A friendly, fun atmosphere. A cool club you're going to be a part of. Generate hype and make me feel like I'm about to buy something that is so awesome, and I'll be part of this awesome group of people who are playing it and who have made it. And this launch, Microsoft has made me too hesitant to buy the XBox One. It's created in me a feeling of chaos and disorganization, where I legitimately don't feel comfortable dropping that amount of money. Past experiences with them (trying to get my credit card removed, them not letting me log in to live without giving them my phone number now, that kind of stuff) had me on the fence, and all the situations leading up to launch make me a little hesitant that if I did something wrong, or had an issue with something, their responses are very "shoot first ask questions later".
I'm saying from an industry standpoint, not a fanboy or a console warrior, small things like "console banned because it shipped early" is only news because this small thing comes after a LONG string of very large changes and very huge reactions to things. Unflipping the "always online" switch was gigantic. I'd argue that filing a copyright claim on a kids YouTube page is another gigantic overreaction. They're not handling things well at all, and I think that's the main issue. That Microsoft's PR department is very, very bad.
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I actually haven't seen any of Microsoft's PR responding to Target's error. What are they saying / doing?
I remember EB calling me and telling me I could pick up Fire Emblem Awakening a week early. Slightly confused, I went down and they really did give it to me.
Next day I heard they got slapped really hard from Nintendo for doing that, and stopped giving out preorders. That was the right call for Nintendo to make.
However they didn't send two burly plumbers to my house to beat me up with hammers and turtle shells. That would be just plain silly.
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Seems like there are some PS4's in the wild as well. One livestream almost happened, except...
I remember EB calling me and telling me I could pick up Fire Emblem Awakening a week early. Slightly confused, I went down and they really did give it to me.
Next day I heard they got slapped really hard from Nintendo for doing that, and stopped giving out preorders. That was the right call for Nintendo to make.
However they didn't send two burly plumbers to my house to beat me up with hammers and turtle shells. That would be just plain silly.
But you totally just sat there and stared at it for a week, patiently waiting for the 'street date' before playing it? Because apparently, that's what people do now?
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Because I'm just not fathoming that the system could need a Day One patch and it wouldn't be included on a disc or with release games.
unless someone has an agreement with MS we aren't under an embargo. as for having the day one patch be pre-loaded, that assumes that it was finished in time to be loaded onto the consoles as they were being finished. its possible it wasn't ready until units started to ship, its possible it still isn't ready and wont go live until just before launch.
if MS could just pre-load the patch, there really wouldn't be any need for a patch, the system would just reconfigure on its initial boot up.
also there's a good chance that there's still some 'always online' code in there and the machine needs to connect to a server and authenticate before that part of the system can be fully patched out.
Throw one of those disks in each box/tell retailers to give everyone who buys an X1 one of the disks would seem the best solution.
Surely that can't be anywhere near right, wouldn't that mean at launch the unit you've got would just update to the standard Xbox One features? I know ultimately any Xbox One is going to be able to be used as a dev unit but that's not until in to 2014 is it?
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This assumes that the patch will be available to print to disc well before the 22nd. From my understanding, the day one patch is being worked on right up until release.
If this is anything like 360 patches, you'll have several options to get it (disc, download to console, or download to PC and burn to disc/usb drive). Hopefully they'll at least include a pamphlet or something with the system that explains those options if you don't have an internet connection.
Oh, I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere close to the final version, I'm just thinking you could throw in a basic one so that your console works offline.
Although thinking about it, this might be a bad idea since it would overcomplicate the issue and you'd end up with people going "But I installed the patch from the disk and so I didn't need to connect to the internet, so why is X feature not here" and the like.
Probably better in the end to make one clearing house for the patching.
Right now three groups of people have access to the patch servers: Microsoft employees, developers, and press. To make it easy for those groups to do their jobs (test features, debug features, review features) I imagine they've given unlimited access to some things that should be limited (such as services like Netflix and Hulu and Xbox Music/Video), as well as info that shouldn't be in the hands of consumers (debug features).
Their is no reason for them not to do it this way, the servers aren't available to the public at the moment (well, they were, but that was an oversight).
Also, the system has updates pushed to it several times a week (or day), more than likely without the worry of them being unstable (because if they are unstable and brick systems they know who has them and can send out info on how to fix it).
Gaining access to the update servers right now is akin to gaining access to a broadway show rehearsal. You're not suppose to be there, and some of the things you see you might not understand/will change before opening.
MS have also said that there are some apps that aren't ready yet and that those will be included with the day one patch. so it really is about getting the console up to full functionality without having to push back the release date.
Not "developer(making games)", "developer(making Xbox)". The dev kit release will in no way include widgets to let you debug the Xbox itself.
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Who cares because microsoft filed a false complaint with youtube to put a strike against his account and get the videos taken down with no legal standing to do so.
You only get three of these strikes.
That's a serious deal for a corporation able to overreach and control bits of the rest of my lofe because it inconveniences them.
I seriously doubt any of this is true since that would present a massive security hole just waiting to be exploited. Anyone who needs access to using a console before launch is likely to have special test or dev hardware and isn't likely to be using standard hardware.
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Are you smoking crack? He hasn't got anything for free. He's paid for the thing. The fact that you seem to think he's gaining some sort of 'benefit' sums up your attitude. The dude has paid $450 dollars, why shouldn't he play the thing he bought? Yeah, how fucking dare he open that item he ordered!
your retarded analogy is retarded. How is something he paid for remotely like finding something that fell off the back of a truck? What on earth is going through your mind to make that comparison?
Riiight, because not a single PA'er used a Korean VPN in order to unlock BF4 earlier than it's street date. THOSE FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINALS!
That's not even close to what he said.
It's microsoft's right to only allow access to their services after the release date. There is nothing wrong with that.
Trying to find a legitimate way around that is also a consumer's right. There is nothing wrong with that either.
Well that depends...
if by 'product' in that sentence he means Live, sure, if he means the actual console, then no. If it's the latter, of course he has a right to use it, he's paid for the damned thing.
And he can use the console, so the assumption would be that people are talking about what is happening and not what isn't happening.
If the console as shipped is useless without live that's like complaining you can't play a copy of a steamworks game early because it won't unlock early.
In other words, a console is only as useful as the installed software allows it to be.
Don't get worked up because you can't grasp a simple analogy.
Him getting it early is him getting something for "free". He gets ... what, 15 days of play time before he's supposed to. This wasn't something he planned for or expected or is entitled to because of his purchase. As such him losing that extra play time is no big deal. Just like a couch falling off a truck isn't something you plan for or expect. It just falls into your lap by chance. And if you can keep it, great. If it gets taken away, it's no loss. Easy come, easy go. Seriously, it's not a complicated analogy.
His purchase does not entitle him to use of his console before the release date so there's nothing wrong with him being unable to use it.
And if he can't use it after the actual release date, then he's being screwed. If he can't use it before then, who cares?
There's nothing to complain about if he can't gain extra value from a shipping error.
Just so we're absolutely clear, and for the benefit of everyone else here, you're not arguing just against him being able to access Live early, you are actually arguing that it's no big deal if he can't actually play his console earlier than the street date?
IIRC, Target was actually price-matching a Walmart ad with that; so blame Walmart.
Yes, but one assumes they bought it from Target because Walmart wouldn't honour the price due to it being a glitch? A competent Target employee might check whether it's a genuine price or not before selling a $70 item for $11.
I'm arguing it doesn't matter either way.
Target screwed up and he got his console early. If he can use it, congrats to him. If he can't, who cares. Easy come, easy go.
If he can't use it after release day, then that's complete bullshit.
Well your last post makes it seem like you're against him playing the item he's received because he has it earlier than everyone else. That he paid his money for it seems irrelevant to you. Once money has exchanged hands, he can do whatever he pleases. He owns the item and he's entitled to use said item as intended. He's not restricted by some arbitrary date set between MS and retailers. Now, MS has every right to say he can't use Live until the 22nd but you can't say he can't use the actual console until then and MS.
If the answer is none: WTF!?
If the answer is more than one: What happened/happens to them, and why have we not heard about it?
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Apparently he is restricted by the release date though.
That he paid his money means he gets to use it on the day it was supposed to be shipped on. That's what he paid for. That's all I care about.
Anything before that is just bonus for him. If he doesn't get it, who cares.
it was a shipping error. Target didn't have a date assigned to the shipment so a few consoles were sent out by the one warehouse that didn't notice the error.
Remember when that supposed Apple employee supposedly left the new Iphone lying on a bar somewhere? Yeah that kind of thing.
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"Oh, I know what we could do, we could ship a few pre-order units and then ban the people that try to use them! That'll really get that hype train moving!"
The real issue I'm seeing here isn't consumer rights and all that (while that is certainly an issue), it's just the fact that every single thing in the whole institution has been knee-jerk reactions that don't get any sort of attention or answers from corporate until the internet raises a loud enough shitstorm for them to say something. And even then, they don't seem to say something in any cohesive manner.
I mean, everything from Adam Orth to this has just been a giant series of stupid comments (and lack of comment) that just grow and grow.
Any ONE of these issues, alone, would be fine. I'd have no problem giving my support to them. But the seemingly endless stream of stuff that makes me uneasy is just too much.
I understand that people who defend MS think that there's piling on going on, and people who just want to tear down the XBOne no matter what. But the thing is - there's only stuff to point at because they keep doing stupid stuff.
The PS4 DLNA media server and MP3 stuff should be huge. It should be a giant albatross around the neck of the PS4, Sony should be ashamed and it should be trumpeted from everywhere that the ball was dropped. But within a few hours of the PS4 FAQ coming out, the president of Sony tweeted that they'd look into it, and before the night was over talked publicly about the "productive meeting" about adding that stuff in. And just like that, it was over. It was a very flexable answer - Who knows what was discussed? Who knows if they'll do it? But it was casual, conversational, and just showed a general sense of "We're speaking with our fans and supporters. We're not above them. We're with them."
Contrast that to everything I've seen from MS. Even something like this just becomes some insane web of "Well what if" and "I bet" and "maybe he". You've got MS guys all over NEOgaf now, who should know what the hardcore of the hardcore want to hear, and you still get jumbled messages and weirdness.
If the console ban was an automatic thing as some suggested - why not say that? "The console got banned once the system noticed it wasn't authorized. It will be reversed on launch day. And thanks for the kind words!" THERE, the conversation ends! But it still continues on because this morning it was poor Major Nelson saying "Well let me look into this." and then more rumors and speculation and all that. They have no idea how to get out in front of anything, and they absolutely have no idea how to control ANY story.
Even with the aforementioned DLNA stuff - that was a HUGE missed chance for the XBOne. Major Nelson should have been out within MINUTES saying "Yeah we support all that!". But instead I remembered reading yet another "Let me look into that" and then I have no idea what the outcome was (I think audio CD's and some sort of server support but no MP3?) Either way - they had a chance to finally pounce, and they didn't. They had no message. When rumors of the always online came up, Sony had a huge fucking chart at E3. When the sharing of games came up, Sony whipped up a funny YouTube video making fun of it. When THIS early XBox got banned, Yoshida simply tweeted that any PS4 in the wild wouldn't be online banned. I have no idea if the PS4 can even GET online - but the PR message was there, it was clear and it came out in a timely manner when the story was still on everyone's minds.
A PR department does not make hardware or software. It does not have any bearing on if the system is good or bad, and if I will enjoy it. But it cultivates a feeling around your brand - its supposed to give your customer a sense of what they're getting. A friendly, fun atmosphere. A cool club you're going to be a part of. Generate hype and make me feel like I'm about to buy something that is so awesome, and I'll be part of this awesome group of people who are playing it and who have made it. And this launch, Microsoft has made me too hesitant to buy the XBox One. It's created in me a feeling of chaos and disorganization, where I legitimately don't feel comfortable dropping that amount of money. Past experiences with them (trying to get my credit card removed, them not letting me log in to live without giving them my phone number now, that kind of stuff) had me on the fence, and all the situations leading up to launch make me a little hesitant that if I did something wrong, or had an issue with something, their responses are very "shoot first ask questions later".
I'm saying from an industry standpoint, not a fanboy or a console warrior, small things like "console banned because it shipped early" is only news because this small thing comes after a LONG string of very large changes and very huge reactions to things. Unflipping the "always online" switch was gigantic. I'd argue that filing a copyright claim on a kids YouTube page is another gigantic overreaction. They're not handling things well at all, and I think that's the main issue. That Microsoft's PR department is very, very bad.
Next day I heard they got slapped really hard from Nintendo for doing that, and stopped giving out preorders. That was the right call for Nintendo to make.
However they didn't send two burly plumbers to my house to beat me up with hammers and turtle shells. That would be just plain silly.
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Also it isn't that strange as Taco Bell has been giving away PS4's for over a week now.
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But you totally just sat there and stared at it for a week, patiently waiting for the 'street date' before playing it? Because apparently, that's what people do now?