I guess if you only own a Wii U it has been a ok year but if you own any other console (or even a PC) it has been a terrible year for Wii U, I don't even get how anyone can argue against this. Maybe 5 good exclusive games? Maybe...
Slowly the tide seems to be turning but only due to Nintendo releasing more 1st party stuff.
Would you kindly show to me any first year of a consoles life that had more than 5 exclusive games that have a level of quality and polish of Nintendo games?
You guys are arguing that your Wii U is better than the previous generation
That's a terrible position to be arguing from.
Why are you doing this? Wii U's been out a year, it's an anniversary. There's room for a little positivity, huh? Why begrudge people the enjoyment, if they feel like they had a pretty good year of it?
Jesus Christ, can we stop all this circle jerk crap already? It's a forum, if people are able to talk about their satisfaction with nintendo's system then we should be able to discus our disappointment or concern with it as well.
So Wii Sports Club...actually downloaded automatically onto my Wii U some time last week and I gave it a go this weekend. So yeah tennis is tennis and bowling is bowling. The tennis controls are a lot more complex with Wii Motion Plus, even more so than table tennis in Resort. Your Mii will actively position itself pretty well if you telegraph your forehand/backhand racket positions. Online is play is a lag fest - matches game down to if you can power shot on your serve consistently. I found it more enjoyable to just play the computer alone, and the "training" mini games are fun without the lag as well.
Bowling is the same but I can't seem to pull off strikes that much anymore, my usual motions are working it's magic anymore. Didn't try out much of bowling before my trial expired, however.
Sort of disappointed about the "clubs" feature, you can only join clubs that are states/provinces in your country, other nearby countries, or a "world" club. You can only change clubs once every 24 hours for some reason, and there are online rankings/stats of how your club is performing against other clubs. Hard to feel any sort of community being in a state club as the Miiverse postings that pop up while playing are random. It would have been cooler if you can create your own clubs with your friends list.
The other point is that even multiple-platform games have exclusive features on the Wii U. Rayman Legends in co-op is an exclusive (and brilliant) experience on the Wii U.
I'm playing Deus Ex Human Revolution at the moment (playing non-lethal build by the way, in line with my new found non-violent game appreciation) and it's really nice to be able to read all the emails and books on the gamepad. In similar games (ie Fallout 3) I've always skipped this content cause I can't read huge amounts of small text off the TV screen.
And I know I always bring it up, but for anyone with kids off-screen play is a god send.
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You guys are arguing that your Wii U is better than the previous generation
That's a terrible position to be arguing from.
Why are you doing this? Wii U's been out a year, it's an anniversary. There's room for a little positivity, huh? Why begrudge people the enjoyment, if they feel like they had a pretty good year of it?
Jesus Christ, can we stop all this circle jerk crap already? It's a forum, if people are able to talk about their satisfaction with nintendo's system then we should be able to discus our disappointment or concern with it as well.
To be fair, I don't think it's a matter of other's giving their negative opinions. Those are fine.
I think people (whether you like MS, Sony, or Nintendo) get all riled up when they put why they thought the Wii had a great year, and then someone else jumps in and tries to invalidate the person's positive opinion. Just my two cents.
I guess if you only own a Wii U it has been a ok year but if you own any other console (or even a PC) it has been a terrible year for Wii U, I don't even get how anyone can argue against this. Maybe 5 good exclusive games? Maybe...
Slowly the tide seems to be turning but only due to Nintendo releasing more 1st party stuff.
Would you kindly show to me any first year of a consoles life that had more than 5 exclusive games that have a level of quality and polish of Nintendo games?
and I totally get this comment but normally you rely on 3rd parties to fill the gap. The wii u isn't lead for any 3rd parties that I'm aware of so I'm not really interested in wii u ports of games I could easily get on 360 or PC instead.
This is the thread that was talking about how great the last NFS game was on Wii U and the new one (Rivals) isn't even coming out on this platform!
I guess if you only own a Wii U it has been a ok year but if you own any other console (or even a PC) it has been a terrible year for Wii U, I don't even get how anyone can argue against this. Maybe 5 good exclusive games? Maybe...
Slowly the tide seems to be turning but only due to Nintendo releasing more 1st party stuff.
Would you kindly show to me any first year of a consoles life that had more than 5 exclusive games that have a level of quality and polish of Nintendo games?
and I totally get this comment but normally you rely on 3rd parties to fill the gap. The wii u isn't lead for any 3rd parties that I'm aware of so I'm not really interested in wii u ports of games I could easily get on 360 or PC instead.
This is the thread that was talking about how great the last NFS game was on Wii U and the new one (Rivals) isn't even coming out on this platform!
That really sucks for EA because they won't be getting my money then.
I guess if you only own a Wii U it has been a ok year but if you own any other console (or even a PC) it has been a terrible year for Wii U, I don't even get how anyone can argue against this. Maybe 5 good exclusive games? Maybe...
Slowly the tide seems to be turning but only due to Nintendo releasing more 1st party stuff.
Would you kindly show to me any first year of a consoles life that had more than 5 exclusive games that have a level of quality and polish of Nintendo games?
and I totally get this comment but normally you rely on 3rd parties to fill the gap. The wii u isn't lead for any 3rd parties that I'm aware of so I'm not really interested in wii u ports of games I could easily get on 360 or PC instead.
This is the thread that was talking about how great the last NFS game was on Wii U and the new one (Rivals) isn't even coming out on this platform!
Was the ps3 ever lead on any port? I mean, I fully agree third party support isn't where a lot want to be...but, I mean, you buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. It's been that way since gamecube. Current history kind of doesn't give a lot of room to use the third party knock as anything other than irrational and unrealistic expectations.
You guys are arguing that your Wii U is better than the previous generation
That's a terrible position to be arguing from.
Why are you doing this? Wii U's been out a year, it's an anniversary. There's room for a little positivity, huh? Why begrudge people the enjoyment, if they feel like they had a pretty good year of it?
Jesus Christ, can we stop all this circle jerk crap already? It's a forum, if people are able to talk about their satisfaction with nintendo's system then we should be able to discus our disappointment or concern with it as well.
To be fair, I don't think it's a matter of other's giving their negative opinions. Those are fine.
I think people (whether you like MS, Sony, or Nintendo) get all riled up when they put why they thought the Wii had a great year, and then someone else jumps in and tries to invalidate the person's positive opinion. Just my two cents.
Yeah if you had a good year with the wii u that's great and nobody can take it away from you. I'm sure many people wish they felt the same way. But objectively with things like sales numbers available to us I don't think you can really make the argument that the wii u had a good year, even if you had a good year with it.
You know what, forget it. I think I'm just going to stop visiting this thread because it's always the same nonsense over and over again(a lot like the PS4 thread a week before launch). Only unwavering support is allowed and if someone isn't happy for whatever reason then that's followed by the one or more of the threads resident fanboys to stop in and say "what's wrong with someone being positive about their system"(completely missing the point) or " Well, just because YOU don't like it..." So whatever, I'll just go to the industry thread for whatever nintendo news from now on.
You guys are arguing that your Wii U is better than the previous generation
That's a terrible position to be arguing from.
Why are you doing this? Wii U's been out a year, it's an anniversary. There's room for a little positivity, huh? Why begrudge people the enjoyment, if they feel like they had a pretty good year of it?
Jesus Christ, can we stop all this circle jerk crap already? It's a forum, if people are able to talk about their satisfaction with nintendo's system then we should be able to discus our disappointment or concern with it as well.
To be fair, I don't think it's a matter of other's giving their negative opinions. Those are fine.
I think people (whether you like MS, Sony, or Nintendo) get all riled up when they put why they thought the Wii had a great year, and then someone else jumps in and tries to invalidate the person's positive opinion. Just my two cents.
I will say this, I had a much better first year with my Wii U than I did with my 3DS or DS, which both had terrible support post-launch. I definitely felt that there was more to play even with the dead space in late Spring that should have been filled with Rayman and Pikmin had they not been delayed.
Overall, I'm still very happy going PC/Wii U/3DS so far this generation. Might I eventually get a new console? Probably - especially if we're not getting any football/basketball games - the lack of Madden on the PC really threw a monkey wrench in my plans. But for now I'm more than happy with the Wii U. I just wish Nintendo could throw out a Pokemon arena or get a Minecraft type of thing on the system to get the console a bigger userbase so I don't worry about the system being retired early.
You know what, forget it. I think I'm just going to stop visiting this thread because it's always the same nonsense over and over again(a lot like the PS4 thread a week before launch). Only unwavering support is allowed and if someone isn't happy for whatever reason then that's followed by the one or more of the threads resident fanboys to stop in and say "what's wrong with someone being positive about their system"(completely missing the point) or " Well, just because YOU don't like it..." So whatever, I'll just go to the industry thread for whatever nintendo news from now on.
You guys are arguing that your Wii U is better than the previous generation
That's a terrible position to be arguing from.
Why are you doing this? Wii U's been out a year, it's an anniversary. There's room for a little positivity, huh? Why begrudge people the enjoyment, if they feel like they had a pretty good year of it?
Jesus Christ, can we stop all this circle jerk crap already? It's a forum, if people are able to talk about their satisfaction with nintendo's system then we should be able to discus our disappointment or concern with it as well.
To be fair, I don't think it's a matter of other's giving their negative opinions. Those are fine.
I think people (whether you like MS, Sony, or Nintendo) get all riled up when they put why they thought the Wii had a great year, and then someone else jumps in and tries to invalidate the person's positive opinion. Just my two cents.
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I've seen the discussions in the Wii U thread get just as depressing as the ones in the industry thread.
Overall, I'm still very happy going PC/Wii U/3DS so far this generation.
I agree, but I think a big part of that is how stocked the 3DS is for great games.
Still, once we get Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D World, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong Country, Yarn Yoshi, X, Bayonetta 2, and a few of the unannounced games we all know we'll get (Zelda, Animal Crossing, Metroid, some sort of Pokemon game), it would be hard to argue the system doesn't have a great first party line-up.
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You know what, forget it. I think I'm just going to stop visiting this thread because it's always the same nonsense over and over again(a lot like the PS4 thread a week before launch). Only unwavering support is allowed and if someone isn't happy for whatever reason then that's followed by the one or more of the threads resident fanboys to stop in and say "what's wrong with someone being positive about their system"(completely missing the point) or " Well, just because YOU don't like it..." So whatever, I'll just go to the industry thread for whatever nintendo news from now on.
Person A: "I like this"
Person B: "I don't like this"
Person A: "WHY AREN'T YOU MORE POSITIVE JOIN THE CIRCLE JERK RARGHHH"
This is more a situation where:
Person A: "I like this"
Person B: "I don't like this"
Person C: "I can't BELIEVE Person A actually likes this, they're in such a bad position"
Person A: "???"
Opinions on both sides are fine. It's the meta-discussion about another person's opinion, or "the position they're arguing from," whatever, and saying it's bad or wrong that I'd take issue with.
If someone said they didn't enjoy their Wii U and the other person jumped all over them and said "are you serious, what kind of an idiot wouldn't think this lineup is great, what a wrong person arguing from a terrible position," that's not cool either.
It'd be nice if you got to see this, but I realize that people often like to throw up their hands and never return on the internet, rather than have their thinking challenged.
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I've never encountered a game over 30 hours that didn't have a lot of grinding and/or other repetitive content. I feel that at a certain point, it becomes less about having fun, and more about filling time.
Repetition isn't necessarily bad or boring if you are getting better at the game. Look at Tetris; all the 'content' is seen within the first 30 seconds or so. Still a fun game to play.
Puzzle games are designed to be played as much or as little as you like. Repetition isn't bad when the whole point of the game is just "play until you get bored of it". It's something else entirely when the narrative is behind a wall of highly repetitive content. I usually find with these 60+ hour epics that I grow tired of the game mechanics long before the story is resolved.
I've never encountered a game over 30 hours that didn't have a lot of grinding and/or other repetitive content. I feel that at a certain point, it becomes less about having fun, and more about filling time.
Repetition isn't necessarily bad or boring if you are getting better at the game. Look at Tetris; all the 'content' is seen within the first 30 seconds or so. Still a fun game to play.
Puzzle games are designed to be played as much or as little as you like. Repetition isn't bad when the whole point of the game is just "play until you get bored of it". It's something else entirely when the narrative is behind a wall of highly repetitive content. I usually find with these 60+ hour epics that I grow tired of the game mechanics long before the story is resolved.
Agreed. I don't have the time for 60 hour epics like I used to. My ideal game time is around 12-15 hours to finish. The games I tend to buy are ones that are shorter but will make it so I'm more likely to replay it several times. Examples are Mirror's Edge, the Arkham games, and the Mario series.
I guess if you only own a Wii U it has been a ok year but if you own any other console (or even a PC) it has been a terrible year for Wii U, I don't even get how anyone can argue against this. Maybe 5 good exclusive games? Maybe...
Slowly the tide seems to be turning but only due to Nintendo releasing more 1st party stuff.
Would you kindly show to me any first year of a consoles life that had more than 5 exclusive games that have a level of quality and polish of Nintendo games?
and I totally get this comment but normally you rely on 3rd parties to fill the gap. The wii u isn't lead for any 3rd parties that I'm aware of so I'm not really interested in wii u ports of games I could easily get on 360 or PC instead.
This is the thread that was talking about how great the last NFS game was on Wii U and the new one (Rivals) isn't even coming out on this platform!
That really sucks for EA because they won't be getting my money then.
I would assume they didn't get almost anybody's money from the last one hence the decision
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At this point I'm definitely interested in the system for the exclusives but not $300 interested. shame these crazy target promos or whatever don't exist in Canada
I've never encountered a game over 30 hours that didn't have a lot of grinding and/or other repetitive content. I feel that at a certain point, it becomes less about having fun, and more about filling time.
Repetition isn't necessarily bad or boring if you are getting better at the game. Look at Tetris; all the 'content' is seen within the first 30 seconds or so. Still a fun game to play.
Puzzle games are designed to be played as much or as little as you like. Repetition isn't bad when the whole point of the game is just "play until you get bored of it". It's something else entirely when the narrative is behind a wall of highly repetitive content. I usually find with these 60+ hour epics that I grow tired of the game mechanics long before the story is resolved.
You've got a valid point. I've certainly played those games where the core gameplay is not very interesting and new mechanics are introduced too slowly.
However two of my favourite games this year, W101 and MH3U, were criticised for being repetitive but had real depth to their mechanics. I might have killed 20 Rathians, but I was much, much better killing that 20th one than the first.
Edit: to clarify my point, if the game has depth to the mechanics, it can be quite satisfying to master those mechanics.
The main reason why I jumped on getting a WiiU at this point was because I'll basically be using it as a Wii game player while the WiiU library grows. We've never had a Wii, and my kids are loving the Gamecube I dusted off and plugged in, so we have a lot of catching up to do on the best Wii games we never played. I wouldn't have picked up a WiiU for the U titles alone at this point, but the backwards compatibility pushed me over the edge (that and the Mario bundle for $250).
(Off topic, but I've so far bought Galaxy 1&2, Mario Kart, NSMBWii, Kirby's Epic Yarn, and Fortune Street. Still would like to add a Mario Party, DKCR, and Super Paper Mario).
The WiiU will never be my main console... I'll treat it as I always treat my Nintendo consoles, as a secondary console/Nintendo-exclusive game player. I'm fine with this, and it seems like there will be enough good exclusives in the near future to make me happy with my purchase.
Agree @bficky. Hell, after I set up the damn thing last night I got such an urge to play my old Wii games. I could waste 300 hours just on Xenoblade alone.
I've never encountered a game over 30 hours that didn't have a lot of grinding and/or other repetitive content. I feel that at a certain point, it becomes less about having fun, and more about filling time.
Repetition isn't necessarily bad or boring if you are getting better at the game. Look at Tetris; all the 'content' is seen within the first 30 seconds or so. Still a fun game to play.
Puzzle games are designed to be played as much or as little as you like. Repetition isn't bad when the whole point of the game is just "play until you get bored of it". It's something else entirely when the narrative is behind a wall of highly repetitive content. I usually find with these 60+ hour epics that I grow tired of the game mechanics long before the story is resolved.
You've got a valid point. I've certainly played those games where the core gameplay is not very interesting and new mechanics are introduced too slowly.
However two of my favourite games this year, W101 and MH3U, were criticised for being repetitive but had real depth to their mechanics. I might have killed 20 Rathians, but I was much, much better killing that 20th one than the first.
Edit: to clarify my point, if the game has depth to the mechanics, it can be quite satisfying to master those mechanics.
Sure, a game that appears shallow on the surface could have depth to it's mechanics. But don't confuse depth for variety. By the way, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with repetition. I replay my favorite games from time to time.
Think of it this way. Most of us enjoyed playing the original Super Mario Bros. Now imagine if when the game was designed, they never added warp zones, and each world had to be repeated 4 times to advance. That's how I feel most 50+ hour games achieve their length, by copying and pasting the same basic battles and missions over and over again until the game is long enough. There comes a point where you're not going to master the mechanics any more than you already have, and you're just going through the motions, sometimes for hours, just waiting for the story to advance, or for a new mechanic to be added.
Maybe you know of a game that is constantly throwing new ideas at you every hour or two over the span on 60 hours, but as far as I know, such a game doesn't exist.
I bought a PS4 last week, beat Killzone, played Contrast, Resogun, and Flower. Then, I kinda forgot about everything I did in Killzone and played Lego City Undercover, Batman Origins, and Super Luigi. So, I'm happy with the Wii-u and twiddling my thumbs on my "new shiny better system". Oh, and if I never see the hbao god rays again I'll die happy.
I feel like the Wii U is basically the Gamecube 2. Outsold by the competition, under-appreciated by the masses. And while some may be content with it as their only console, most gamers see it as a secondary console next to their PlayStation or XBox, to be dusted off every 6 months or so when an awesome 1st party title comes out. Honestly, that's good enough for me. 1 or 2 games a year that I just gotta play that I can't get anywhere else is enough to justify it's spot under my TV.
But some people need it to be "more" than that. They need to reframe all the negatives as positives. They need to make positive comparisons based on skewed logic ("OMG, WiiU is cheaper than a PS4 and has more games available." No shit, son.)
I bought a PS4 last week, beat Killzone, played Contrast, Resogun, and Flower. Then, I kinda forgot about everything I did in Killzone and played Lego City Undercover, Batman Origins, and Super Luigi. So, I'm happy with the Wii-u and twiddling my thumbs on my "new shiny better system". Oh, and if I never see the hbao god rays again I'll die happy.
My God, you did all that since the PS4 launch? What sorcery is this? Where do you find the time? Teach me, please
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Would you kindly show to me any first year of a consoles life that had more than 5 exclusive games that have a level of quality and polish of Nintendo games?
Jesus Christ, can we stop all this circle jerk crap already? It's a forum, if people are able to talk about their satisfaction with nintendo's system then we should be able to discus our disappointment or concern with it as well.
Bowling is the same but I can't seem to pull off strikes that much anymore, my usual motions are working it's magic anymore. Didn't try out much of bowling before my trial expired, however.
Sort of disappointed about the "clubs" feature, you can only join clubs that are states/provinces in your country, other nearby countries, or a "world" club. You can only change clubs once every 24 hours for some reason, and there are online rankings/stats of how your club is performing against other clubs. Hard to feel any sort of community being in a state club as the Miiverse postings that pop up while playing are random. It would have been cooler if you can create your own clubs with your friends list.
I'm playing Deus Ex Human Revolution at the moment (playing non-lethal build by the way, in line with my new found non-violent game appreciation) and it's really nice to be able to read all the emails and books on the gamepad. In similar games (ie Fallout 3) I've always skipped this content cause I can't read huge amounts of small text off the TV screen.
And I know I always bring it up, but for anyone with kids off-screen play is a god send.
To be fair, I don't think it's a matter of other's giving their negative opinions. Those are fine.
I think people (whether you like MS, Sony, or Nintendo) get all riled up when they put why they thought the Wii had a great year, and then someone else jumps in and tries to invalidate the person's positive opinion. Just my two cents.
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This is the thread that was talking about how great the last NFS game was on Wii U and the new one (Rivals) isn't even coming out on this platform!
That really sucks for EA because they won't be getting my money then.
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Was the ps3 ever lead on any port? I mean, I fully agree third party support isn't where a lot want to be...but, I mean, you buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. It's been that way since gamecube. Current history kind of doesn't give a lot of room to use the third party knock as anything other than irrational and unrealistic expectations.
Ports, even. I'll always want a Wii U port first, unless the company excises random features.
Yeah if you had a good year with the wii u that's great and nobody can take it away from you. I'm sure many people wish they felt the same way. But objectively with things like sales numbers available to us I don't think you can really make the argument that the wii u had a good year, even if you had a good year with it.
Just because you don't want to play a particular game doesn't make it a bad game.
You know what, forget it. I think I'm just going to stop visiting this thread because it's always the same nonsense over and over again(a lot like the PS4 thread a week before launch). Only unwavering support is allowed and if someone isn't happy for whatever reason then that's followed by the one or more of the threads resident fanboys to stop in and say "what's wrong with someone being positive about their system"(completely missing the point) or " Well, just because YOU don't like it..." So whatever, I'll just go to the industry thread for whatever nintendo news from now on.
Overall, I'm still very happy going PC/Wii U/3DS so far this generation. Might I eventually get a new console? Probably - especially if we're not getting any football/basketball games - the lack of Madden on the PC really threw a monkey wrench in my plans. But for now I'm more than happy with the Wii U. I just wish Nintendo could throw out a Pokemon arena or get a Minecraft type of thing on the system to get the console a bigger userbase so I don't worry about the system being retired early.
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I've seen the discussions in the Wii U thread get just as depressing as the ones in the industry thread.
I agree, but I think a big part of that is how stocked the 3DS is for great games.
Still, once we get Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D World, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong Country, Yarn Yoshi, X, Bayonetta 2, and a few of the unannounced games we all know we'll get (Zelda, Animal Crossing, Metroid, some sort of Pokemon game), it would be hard to argue the system doesn't have a great first party line-up.
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@sweetcreamscoops dude. This is not a situation where:
Person A: "I like this"
Person B: "I don't like this"
Person A: "WHY AREN'T YOU MORE POSITIVE JOIN THE CIRCLE JERK RARGHHH"
This is more a situation where:
Person A: "I like this"
Person B: "I don't like this"
Person C: "I can't BELIEVE Person A actually likes this, they're in such a bad position"
Person A: "???"
Opinions on both sides are fine. It's the meta-discussion about another person's opinion, or "the position they're arguing from," whatever, and saying it's bad or wrong that I'd take issue with.
If someone said they didn't enjoy their Wii U and the other person jumped all over them and said "are you serious, what kind of an idiot wouldn't think this lineup is great, what a wrong person arguing from a terrible position," that's not cool either.
It'd be nice if you got to see this, but I realize that people often like to throw up their hands and never return on the internet, rather than have their thinking challenged.
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But I don't actually have a Wii U yet...I just think it looks so fun.
I did not realize that it was THIS Friday.
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Puzzle games are designed to be played as much or as little as you like. Repetition isn't bad when the whole point of the game is just "play until you get bored of it". It's something else entirely when the narrative is behind a wall of highly repetitive content. I usually find with these 60+ hour epics that I grow tired of the game mechanics long before the story is resolved.
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Agreed. I don't have the time for 60 hour epics like I used to. My ideal game time is around 12-15 hours to finish. The games I tend to buy are ones that are shorter but will make it so I'm more likely to replay it several times. Examples are Mirror's Edge, the Arkham games, and the Mario series.
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You've got a valid point. I've certainly played those games where the core gameplay is not very interesting and new mechanics are introduced too slowly.
However two of my favourite games this year, W101 and MH3U, were criticised for being repetitive but had real depth to their mechanics. I might have killed 20 Rathians, but I was much, much better killing that 20th one than the first.
Edit: to clarify my point, if the game has depth to the mechanics, it can be quite satisfying to master those mechanics.
The WiiU will never be my main console... I'll treat it as I always treat my Nintendo consoles, as a secondary console/Nintendo-exclusive game player. I'm fine with this, and it seems like there will be enough good exclusives in the near future to make me happy with my purchase.
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I gotta say, when I did the Wii Fit U body test for the first time the other day, that thing had me jerking around trying to aim at a circle.
Seriously it surprised me, I didn't realize I should just look at the gamepad instead of the TV for like 30 seconds.
Sure, a game that appears shallow on the surface could have depth to it's mechanics. But don't confuse depth for variety. By the way, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with repetition. I replay my favorite games from time to time.
Think of it this way. Most of us enjoyed playing the original Super Mario Bros. Now imagine if when the game was designed, they never added warp zones, and each world had to be repeated 4 times to advance. That's how I feel most 50+ hour games achieve their length, by copying and pasting the same basic battles and missions over and over again until the game is long enough. There comes a point where you're not going to master the mechanics any more than you already have, and you're just going through the motions, sometimes for hours, just waiting for the story to advance, or for a new mechanic to be added.
Maybe you know of a game that is constantly throwing new ideas at you every hour or two over the span on 60 hours, but as far as I know, such a game doesn't exist.
Cause you killed Swapnote! >:[
Wait, it was me?! Noooo! Why?! WHYYYY?!!!!
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But some people need it to be "more" than that. They need to reframe all the negatives as positives. They need to make positive comparisons based on skewed logic ("OMG, WiiU is cheaper than a PS4 and has more games available." No shit, son.)
My God, you did all that since the PS4 launch? What sorcery is this? Where do you find the time? Teach me, please
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