Kotaku mentions that you cant directly view the hard drive storage??? i would think that HAS to be something available? If not i would hope it would be because of it technically being in beta? if not wow... Just... no, no way, i cant think it will launch without being able to directly control your own hard drive... Unless microsoft is putting it off for a hot minuite, expecting 99% of users not being able to fill the drive within the first x months....
I mean, I'm not sure I follow.
You can delete games and installed apps by hitting the guide button and all save data is in the cloud (and cached locally)... what are you needing to see the drive for?
I am of the opinion that user-exposed file systems are a design flaw in consumer devices; a failing of your interface.
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Yeah, i want to know which games take up the most space and why. I had a MILLION saves for fallout 3 on my 360 and i was able to delete all of the saves but the ones that mattered. (fallout 3 saves were rather beefy twards endgame with all the expansions).
I think the reasoning here is that your individual game saves i think are backed up to the cloud, while your local data is just the game install... However, i'd still rather be able to see my hard drive directly.
that's so strange, since the 360 basically showed you how much space was left every time you loaded up a game. I also liked being able to manage my HDD directly, all sorts of crap gets saved to there and it feels good to clean it out every so often.
that's so strange, since the 360 basically showed you how much space was left every time you loaded up a game. I also liked being able to manage my HDD directly, all sorts of crap gets saved to there and it feels good to clean it out every so often.
I would think its part of the reason why it may be a quirk of the beta consoles... to not give users "direct" control of the hard drive situation, especially when they support external drives, (is that still launch or no?) is ludicrous.
exyernal drive support isn't there at launch, as far as I know only twitch and that have been delayed. otherwise most every other feature seems intact for launch.
another interesting bit of info; apparently running 360, wii-u, and even another xbone through the HDMI in works great. but, due to the HDCP limitations you can't actually play PS4 games through there. I assume it works up until you launch a game though.
I suppose it would be nice to know how much space is free, if that isn't surfaced somewhere I would be surprised.
Well yeah, I am sure there is something that lets you know how much room is left. Possibly under the settings part of the UI.
Edit: or when you try to install something?
Giant Bomb says they cannot find a way to see what is available on the hard drive it is all 100% transparent to users if you run out of room if will delete the least used content. Game will delete to the low install state and when you go back to to play it it will either ask for the disc (i guess) or pull it down if you bought it digitally.
They mention MS said a large portion of people play 1 or 2-3 games at a time, to inconvenience those very small number of users who would play 10 games at a time if it means they can hide the filesystem then they are ok with that.
I would actually consider upgrading my cable just to use those features
I so wish it took coax so I could use it with my OTA antenna. I suppose I could route my Mac mini media center through it for playing back TV through there, but I can't get any of the love TV features.
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I suppose it would be nice to know how much space is free, if that isn't surfaced somewhere I would be surprised.
Well yeah, I am sure there is something that lets you know how much room is left. Possibly under the settings part of the UI.
Edit: or when you try to install something?
Giant Bomb says they cannot find a way to see what is available on the hard drive it is all 100% transparent to users if you run out of room if will delete the least used content. Game will delete to the low install state and when you go back to to play it it will either ask for the disc (i guess) or pull it down if you bought it digitally.
They mention MS said a large portion of people play 1 or 2-3 games at a time, to inconvenience those very small number of users who would play 10 games at a time if it means they can hide the filesystem then they are ok with that.
Considering the number of times I've looked at my 360's HD, gone "... WTF is that? It's huge! I... Probably shouldn't delete that. Maybe." I hail the arrival of our transparent cloud overlords.
Haha, oh man, never saw that strip before. Is that 'real' or the start of some messed up slashfic? Actually, let's not even go there, keerist.
The gizmodo review is pretty bananas enthusiastic in places. Seems like a whole lot of reviews are 'whelp, it's day one for both and don't bother getting either until more games come out'.
Happy to see more than a few reviews call DR3 the first real nextgen title, despite the 720p 30fps bit; the tech set must really gnash their teeth at that.
Haha, oh man, never saw that strip before. Is that 'real' or the start of some messed up slashfic? Actually, let's not even go there, keerist.
The gizmodo review is pretty bananas enthusiastic in places. Seems like a whole lot of reviews are 'whelp, it's day one for both and don't bother getting either until more games come out'.
Happy to see more than a few reviews call DR3 the first real nextgen title, despite the 720p 30fps bit; the tech set must really gnash their teeth at that.
Resolution and framerate don't really matter, and if they did you'd just be playing the game on PC anyway :P
edit: as long as the framerate is stable enough that is. once stuff gets too framey then it's noticeable, but 30/60 is hard to tell at the pace of most modern non-shootmans/racing/fighting games.
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I suppose it would be nice to know how much space is free, if that isn't surfaced somewhere I would be surprised.
Well yeah, I am sure there is something that lets you know how much room is left. Possibly under the settings part of the UI.
Edit: or when you try to install something?
Giant Bomb says they cannot find a way to see what is available on the hard drive it is all 100% transparent to users if you run out of room if will delete the least used content. Game will delete to the low install state and when you go back to to play it it will either ask for the disc (i guess) or pull it down if you bought it digitally.
They mention MS said a large portion of people play 1 or 2-3 games at a time, to inconvenience those very small number of users who would play 10 games at a time if it means they can hide the filesystem then they are ok with that.
I don't really know how good a solution that is. Many games I download when I download digital only games are when I have the bandwidth cap to do so. For example, I will download Remember Me tomorrow as my cap expires in 3 days - so all downloading gets shoved into a very narrow window. I won't play it until next month however, or probably even look at it for more than ten seconds. The fact is, this is a terrible system for me and would absolutely ensure I never buy anything digital off their marketplace - the idea of getting a game quietly deleted and then wasting 25+ gigs of bandwidth unplanned doesn't sit well with me at all (and is potentially fatal to my internet cap if I don't realize that is what it's done).
There is no good or coherent reason not to tell me what space is left on the hard drive. This is an asinine flaw and I really hope it's on the agenda for being patched. Especially before they implement a PSN+ like free games for gold subscriber program. Half of the stuff I download and don't get around to playing are the free games I get off PSN, which aren't anywhere near the size of some of these next gen games.
At the very least, I am going to be needing discs for a really long time in future
Haha, oh man, never saw that strip before. Is that 'real' or the start of some messed up slashfic? Actually, let's not even go there, keerist.
The gizmodo review is pretty bananas enthusiastic in places. Seems like a whole lot of reviews are 'whelp, it's day one for both and don't bother getting either until more games come out'.
Happy to see more than a few reviews call DR3 the first real nextgen title, despite the 720p 30fps bit; the tech set must really gnash their teeth at that.
Resolution and framerate don't really matter, and if they did you'd just be playing the game on PC anyway :P
This is bullshit, just so you know.
Battlefield 4 on the Xbone looked amazing, ran at a solid 60 FPS and in multiplayer supports 64 players (which is really the essential part for me). Compared with Battlefield 3 on 360, which I think doesn't run at 60 FPS, frequently drops frames in big action moments and has only 24 players - there is no argument to me that being just like last gen, but slightly prettier is acceptable. I want more Battlefield 4 great looking graphics and at a smooth frame rate as a basic expectation this time around.
You don't need a PC to care about these things, not that I think from what I have seen there is any merit to the 1080p vs 720p thing: But you CAN notice the silky smooth frame rates on some of these games, especially when shit gets really real where FPS would start tanking on the 360/PS3.
Well, at least once they start supporting external drives you can probably stop worrying about it. Though it would be nice to be able to turn that feature off, especially for your situation.
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Heck I had games on my 360 I downloaded and then didn't play until 2-3 months afterwards. I am used to a feast and famine way of downloading: When I have bandwidth to burn I go nuts.
But the real lesson is that bandwidth caps are crap.
Heck I had games on my 360 I downloaded and then didn't play until 2-3 months afterwards. I am used to a feast and famine way of downloading: When I have bandwidth to burn I go nuts.
But the real lesson is that bandwidth caps are crap.
Yeah, the real villain here is the bandwidth cap.
That said, games seem to be more 15-20 gigs than they are 30-50 gigs, and indie titles and smaller titles could be significantly less. I think it is likely you will have 20-30 games installed before things start falling off, and they don't delete the oldest installs, just the oldest used ones.
I can see how this could impact you, but if you downloaded a game, and then played 15-20+ AAA titles before getting around to it, before the external drive update came out next year... then you are very clearly the exception and not the rule, and you have a lot of free gaming time on your hands.
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it depends. smaller games I wouldn't mind being deleted... but if I am close to the end of a title and come back a month or two later, having to redownload the whole thing to play a couple minutes of game would be lame. I hope they expand the options when it comes to storage mangement.
I wouldn't want it deleting things I would rather keep on my HDD. for instance, items like the GoW3 beta. it isn't functional nor can I load it up, but by having it on my drive it gives me items and skins in the full game. I would be supremely annoyed if something like that, which you can't redownload or recover, got deleted.
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I dont like any sort of Tech deleting things at their own whim, I own the 250 gig hard drive for the 360 and i still micromanage it like its my job.
I'm stoked for the One, and I fully suspect early adopters will have the full hard drive view at some point, hence is the nature of our constantly evolving consoles at this point. So i cannot get to upset about it. We all know Microsoft has a trend at this point of bowing to consumers at this point..
Giant Bomb says they cannot find a way to see what is available on the hard drive it is all 100% transparent to users if you run out of room if will delete the least used content. Game will delete to the low install state and when you go back to to play it it will either ask for the disc (i guess) or pull it down if you bought it digitally.
They mention MS said a large portion of people play 1 or 2-3 games at a time, to inconvenience those very small number of users who would play 10 games at a time if it means they can hide the filesystem then they are ok with that.
So basically deleting "least used" content, to a point where you need to reinstall it.
Edit: I've been saying all along i dont mind balancing content on the hard drive (especially if we hit 50 gig installs for next gen games, which we will, possibly sooner than we realize.) . My 360 disk tray is shit, i've had to spend 10minuites opening and closing it to load BF4. I balance out the hard drive because games load quicker off it, and on the 360 i'm able to pick and choose what i'm playing at the current moment and install or run based on that.
The company line mentioned above, play 1-3 games at a time is what i've said all along, however, if they delete what they consider "not used" content at their discretion, i'd still rather have direct control over what gets deleted.
Basically, I will always know what is better for me installed on the hard drive over some algorithm that studies my play habits.
Wait what's deleting things at a whim? It doesn't do that does it? Wouldn't it just say your hd is full?
It apparently deletes pieces of games based on the last time you used them (deleting extra content first and lastly deleting the "playable" portion of it) instead of surfacing that it is full/etc. For most users it will largely go unnoticed, but if you have bandwidth concerns and revisit your old games a lot it could become an issue.
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Wait what's deleting things at a whim? It doesn't do that does it? Wouldn't it just say your hd is full?
It apparently deletes pieces of games based on the last time you used them (deleting extra content first and lastly deleting the "playable" portion of it) instead of surfacing that it is full/etc. For most users it will largely go unnoticed, but if you have bandwidth concerns and revisit your old games a lot it could become an issue.
Even then, deleting extra content first, the 360 marketplace has removed things i cannot download any longer despite having paid for them in the first place. (I.E. rock band tracks that have run out of licensing, TMNT arcade, other examples too i cant remember, i've downloaded so many things. if they were not still on my hard drive, i have no way of getting them back again...) Give the user the control. I fully expect they will at some point. With the option to let the One decide, or you. I will always pick myself though in that situation.
I did all of this plus I purchased and applied Amazon gift cards for the balance on both orders. One of my friends had trouble with his cc getting declined for a pre-order of Diablo 3 even though funds were available. I'd hate to get so close and get an email from Amazon saying my payment was declined and I'm S.O.L.
I wish I'd thought of this. I just got an e-mail that my payment method was declined, it looks like I fixed it but now I'm really paranoid.
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As long as it doesn't delete save files I wont have too much of an issue with it. If it kills save files and I want to say go back to Dead Rising 3 2 years from now and lost all the crazy shit I've unlocked then I'll be rather annoyed. If it backs them up to skydrive first though then as long as its easy to restore then sure why not.
As long as it doesn't delete save files I wont have too much of an issue with it. If it kills save files and I want to say go back to Dead Rising 3 2 years from now and lost all the crazy shit I've unlocked then I'll be rather annoyed. If it backs them up to skydrive first though then as long as its easy to restore then sure why not.
Oh no GB mentioned all games will be pushed to the cloud.
They said that MS will be looking at your (studio's) file sizes and if they are larger then x amount they want to know why and see what they can do to make them smaller.
So I guess the Kinect will detect when you set a controller down and automatically put it into standby mode. According to Polygon they've been getting some impressive battery life out of the controllers because of this.
It's cool little features like that that have me most excited about getting a Xbone.
Kotaku had some decent insight though. If your TV is on, but your xbox isnt, and you say "Xbox on" the ir blaster sends out the signal and turns off the tv while turning the console on. Dont get me wrong, i didnt think they were going to be gushing over the One, but hey, thats a useful tip!
it depends on your TV also. Most televisions have a discreet "on" and "off" IR command, and depending on how much they let you program how the xbox one communicates with your stuff... I don't see that being a problem.
that part of the review annoyed me. he said he turned the feature off after that. or you could just... I dunno, turn your TV back on?
and then he said "it's hard to sound cool shouting voice commands into voice chat". well mute yourself? it's not hard to do, I do it all the time when talking to people in the same room. the whole review came across as nitpicky.
Does that not defeat the purpose?
Maybe he could repeat the command again to get the Xbox to turn it back on? "Xbox TV On"? Yeah, that isn't going to become annoying, is it?
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Wooo! Got my Amazon pre-order in! They are available right now if you've got lucky timing. It took me several tries and it only worked when I loggen in to turn on 1-click ordering.
That's what I had to do, too. If I tried to order it manually, it just kept throwing a huge number of weird and irritating error messages at me.
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You can delete games and installed apps by hitting the guide button and all save data is in the cloud (and cached locally)... what are you needing to see the drive for?
I am of the opinion that user-exposed file systems are a design flaw in consumer devices; a failing of your interface.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Edit: or when you try to install something?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
That's exactly what the problem is. Esp combined with 50gig downloads/installs.
I think the reasoning here is that your individual game saves i think are backed up to the cloud, while your local data is just the game install... However, i'd still rather be able to see my hard drive directly.
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Giant Bomb says they cannot find a way to see what is available on the hard drive it is all 100% transparent to users if you run out of room if will delete the least used content. Game will delete to the low install state and when you go back to to play it it will either ask for the disc (i guess) or pull it down if you bought it digitally.
They mention MS said a large portion of people play 1 or 2-3 games at a time, to inconvenience those very small number of users who would play 10 games at a time if it means they can hide the filesystem then they are ok with that.
You can ask syndalis I am supportive of both consoles but am more of a PS4 guy BUT this Bombcast actually just changed my mind.
I want a xbone now more then ps4, Infamous Second Son is the only reason I would think otherwise.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I so wish it took coax so I could use it with my OTA antenna. I suppose I could route my Mac mini media center through it for playing back TV through there, but I can't get any of the love TV features.
Considering the number of times I've looked at my 360's HD, gone "... WTF is that? It's huge! I... Probably shouldn't delete that. Maybe." I hail the arrival of our transparent cloud overlords.
The gizmodo review is pretty bananas enthusiastic in places. Seems like a whole lot of reviews are 'whelp, it's day one for both and don't bother getting either until more games come out'.
Happy to see more than a few reviews call DR3 the first real nextgen title, despite the 720p 30fps bit; the tech set must really gnash their teeth at that.
Resolution and framerate don't really matter, and if they did you'd just be playing the game on PC anyway :P
edit: as long as the framerate is stable enough that is. once stuff gets too framey then it's noticeable, but 30/60 is hard to tell at the pace of most modern non-shootmans/racing/fighting games.
I don't really know how good a solution that is. Many games I download when I download digital only games are when I have the bandwidth cap to do so. For example, I will download Remember Me tomorrow as my cap expires in 3 days - so all downloading gets shoved into a very narrow window. I won't play it until next month however, or probably even look at it for more than ten seconds. The fact is, this is a terrible system for me and would absolutely ensure I never buy anything digital off their marketplace - the idea of getting a game quietly deleted and then wasting 25+ gigs of bandwidth unplanned doesn't sit well with me at all (and is potentially fatal to my internet cap if I don't realize that is what it's done).
There is no good or coherent reason not to tell me what space is left on the hard drive. This is an asinine flaw and I really hope it's on the agenda for being patched. Especially before they implement a PSN+ like free games for gold subscriber program. Half of the stuff I download and don't get around to playing are the free games I get off PSN, which aren't anywhere near the size of some of these next gen games.
At the very least, I am going to be needing discs for a really long time in future
This is bullshit, just so you know.
Battlefield 4 on the Xbone looked amazing, ran at a solid 60 FPS and in multiplayer supports 64 players (which is really the essential part for me). Compared with Battlefield 3 on 360, which I think doesn't run at 60 FPS, frequently drops frames in big action moments and has only 24 players - there is no argument to me that being just like last gen, but slightly prettier is acceptable. I want more Battlefield 4 great looking graphics and at a smooth frame rate as a basic expectation this time around.
You don't need a PC to care about these things, not that I think from what I have seen there is any merit to the 1080p vs 720p thing: But you CAN notice the silky smooth frame rates on some of these games, especially when shit gets really real where FPS would start tanking on the 360/PS3.
But the real lesson is that bandwidth caps are crap.
Yeah, the real villain here is the bandwidth cap.
That said, games seem to be more 15-20 gigs than they are 30-50 gigs, and indie titles and smaller titles could be significantly less. I think it is likely you will have 20-30 games installed before things start falling off, and they don't delete the oldest installs, just the oldest used ones.
I can see how this could impact you, but if you downloaded a game, and then played 15-20+ AAA titles before getting around to it, before the external drive update came out next year... then you are very clearly the exception and not the rule, and you have a lot of free gaming time on your hands.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I wouldn't want it deleting things I would rather keep on my HDD. for instance, items like the GoW3 beta. it isn't functional nor can I load it up, but by having it on my drive it gives me items and skins in the full game. I would be supremely annoyed if something like that, which you can't redownload or recover, got deleted.
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I'm stoked for the One, and I fully suspect early adopters will have the full hard drive view at some point, hence is the nature of our constantly evolving consoles at this point. So i cannot get to upset about it. We all know Microsoft has a trend at this point of bowing to consumers at this point..
I dont even mean that in a bad way,.
quoting another user here, who is mentioning something i have not watched or read myself.
So basically deleting "least used" content, to a point where you need to reinstall it.
Edit: I've been saying all along i dont mind balancing content on the hard drive (especially if we hit 50 gig installs for next gen games, which we will, possibly sooner than we realize.) . My 360 disk tray is shit, i've had to spend 10minuites opening and closing it to load BF4. I balance out the hard drive because games load quicker off it, and on the 360 i'm able to pick and choose what i'm playing at the current moment and install or run based on that.
The company line mentioned above, play 1-3 games at a time is what i've said all along, however, if they delete what they consider "not used" content at their discretion, i'd still rather have direct control over what gets deleted.
Basically, I will always know what is better for me installed on the hard drive over some algorithm that studies my play habits.
It apparently deletes pieces of games based on the last time you used them (deleting extra content first and lastly deleting the "playable" portion of it) instead of surfacing that it is full/etc. For most users it will largely go unnoticed, but if you have bandwidth concerns and revisit your old games a lot it could become an issue.
I wish I'd thought of this. I just got an e-mail that my payment method was declined, it looks like I fixed it but now I'm really paranoid.
Oh no GB mentioned all games will be pushed to the cloud.
They said that MS will be looking at your (studio's) file sizes and if they are larger then x amount they want to know why and see what they can do to make them smaller.
It's cool little features like that that have me most excited about getting a Xbone.
Does that not defeat the purpose?
Maybe he could repeat the command again to get the Xbox to turn it back on? "Xbox TV On"? Yeah, that isn't going to become annoying, is it?
That's what I had to do, too. If I tried to order it manually, it just kept throwing a huge number of weird and irritating error messages at me.
It is saying it'll be delivered on tuesday, but even if thats what happens XBONE!
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