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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    I'm still pretty worried about Inquisition because let me tell how over Save the World scenarios in western fantasy I am.

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    goddamnit, huntera

    We've all got our Problems

    I sometimes Start That Shit

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    DA1 was fun and manifestly superior to DA2

    Don't do this thing Dongs

    Don't make this happen

    hey I didn't fire the first shots

    this is a legitimate case of Stand Your Ground

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    goddamnit, not this argument again

    speaking of, allow me to share my thoughts about the Mass Effect 3 ending
    At least the rest of ME3 was great.

    It is. And it should be studied on the effects an ending has on a person.

    As one of Mass Effects big fans, one that was loving 3 and had one of my favorite game moments in 3...I haven't played it or any other games in the series again since the ending.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    I can't speak for DA2, never bothered with it after the first game.

    Same thing with the ME series, actually.

    BG 2/TOB remains the best Bioware game.

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    anyway, at this point it's no great loss if we spend the rest of the thread arguing about Dragon Age

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Both Dragon Age games are pretty good but unremarkable goodbye friends

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Both Dragon Age games are pretty good but unremarkable goodbye friends

    haha wow and they say I'm the bad opinions guy

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Dragon Age 2 is one of the greatest games I've ever seen that was made in six months.

    I love the combat and if it had been polished it would have been fantastic.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    When you put it that way....DA2 is bizarro kotor 2?

    (Rogue squadron 2 was the best game made in under a year.)

    EDIT: apparently 9 months. For a console launch. And they developed sound tools that other games used during that process. And even at the end of the generation, it was still one of the better looking GCN games

    Spoit on
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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    Based upon the empirical evidence that I have played 272 hours of DA:O+Awakening and only 101 Hours of DA2
    DA:O is clearly the better game.

    Argument settled, everyone is welcome.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Kadith wrote: »
    Based upon the empirical evidence that I have played 272 hours of DA:O+Awakening and only 101 Hours of DA2
    DA:O is clearly the better game.

    Argument settled, everyone is welcome.

    that's just because DA:O moves at roughly a third of the speed of DA2

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Kadith wrote: »
    Based upon the empirical evidence that I have played 272 hours of DA:O+Awakening and only 101 Hours of DA2
    DA:O is clearly the better game.

    Argument settled, everyone is welcome.

    that's just because DA:O moves at roughly a third of the speed of DA2

    I just checked and I have 5 completed campaigns for DA:O and two for DA2. So

    nah

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Kotor2 is a fundamentally broken game with some excellent writing and a non ending.

    DA2 isnt as polished as it could be, and about half its contents or more are reused assets from the other half, but it works and is fully featured. I've definitely seen less complete packages made in twice the Dev time.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I have put a ton of hours into DA but never completed it because I hit a bug.

    I played the DA2 demo and went "nope" so have never played it.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Kadith wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Kadith wrote: »
    Based upon the empirical evidence that I have played 272 hours of DA:O+Awakening and only 101 Hours of DA2
    DA:O is clearly the better game.

    Argument settled, everyone is welcome.

    that's just because DA:O moves at roughly a third of the speed of DA2

    I just checked and I have 5 completed campaigns for DA:O and two for DA2. So

    nah

    All I'm saying is

    DA2 is better in almost every way

    and it should have been called ascension or rising or something, not just 2

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    I never had a problem with the re-use of assets in DA2 because I just pretend that Cassandra Pentaghast has a bad imagination

    so whenever Varric says "then we went into a cave" she pictures the same cave over and over

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    Kotor2 is a fundamentally broken game with some excellent writing and a non ending.

    Has anyone tried KOTOR 2 with that reconstruction/expansion mod or whatever it was

    the one that finally got completed like last year

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I didn't like a lot of the faces in DA. Your crew were okay but basically every NPC looked weird and ill.

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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    Probably should've called it DA 1.5

    The re use really only bothered me when I happened to be going into the same one a bunch of times in a row because of the quest order I had picked.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    DAO is a great game but I never bothered playing through it more than one time because... I don't know, there's so many things about it which feel joyless. Almost every NPC you meet is relentlessly dour.

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    Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    smof wrote: »
    I didn't like a lot of the faces in DA. Your crew were okay but basically every NPC looked weird and ill.

    Wooden teeth.

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    smof wrote: »
    I have put a ton of hours into DA but never completed it because I hit a bug.

    Big reason here why I haven't finished DA1 yet. I heard the endgame is a minefield of bugs and I fear of running into one and wasting all the effort I've put into it.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Mine was self inflicted. I installed two mods that don't work together, and result in Morrigan stalling and never getting past the dialogue where you give her her quest thing

    It's not that big a deal. Apparently if I uninstall one of the mods, get past that conversation, then reinstall it, it will work. But I am so lazy and easily distracted that I just never got round to it.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    DA1 was fun and manifestly superior to DA2

    Don't do this thing Dongs

    Don't make this happen

    hey I didn't fire the first shots

    this is a legitimate case of Stand Your Ground

    Fun is definitely not the word I would use to describe DA1.

    "Interesting", perhaps; maybe even "engaging"; but "fun"?

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Tormenting Alistair was quite fun.

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    marty_0001marty_0001 I am a file and you put documents in meRegistered User regular
    Damn it Dishonored is hard sometimes when you are trying not to kill anyone

    After screwing up a sneak-choke-whatever for the 10th time I really feel like just going on a killing spree.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Both Dragon Age games are pretty good but unremarkable goodbye friends

    haha wow and they say I'm the bad opinions guy

    Dragon Age is pretty great for an interactive novel.

    As a game, it's pooooooooooooooooooo.

    Dragon Age 2 remedies some of this by making combat less of a nail-through-the-dick experience, but of course has a grand total of like, 7 environments that are mostly awful to look at, among other problems.

    Edit: And now I flee to my awaiting escape vehicle, having severed all friendships on the internet.

    sarukun on
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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    marty_0001 wrote: »
    Damn it Dishonored is hard sometimes when you are trying not to kill anyone

    After screwing up a sneak-choke-whatever for the 10th time I really feel like just going on a killing spree.

    I had trouble with this too. I found it worked better if I made sure the cursor was pointing at their head, not just their back.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Considering that before DAO, the only games that had combat like that were a decade in the past... yeah, I can cut it some slack. DA2...had some good ideas about cross class combos, but the actual design of the fights was poop from a butt. Between the waves spawning enemies right on top of your squishiest characters, the camera, the waves, the tactics going from something you could program to basically fight for you to being basically non-functional, the waves, the only healer being freaking anders and potions costing an arm and a leg, and the waves, the combat in DA2 was faster, but still more of a slog.

    Also, the waves.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    smof wrote: »
    Tormenting Alistair was quite fun.

    I've never understood people's dislike for him

    he's a nice guy with a good heart

    though he does have a stupid haircut

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I loved Alistair! I just found him most hilarious when provoked into being snarky.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    sarukun wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Both Dragon Age games are pretty good but unremarkable goodbye friends

    haha wow and they say I'm the bad opinions guy

    Dragon Age is pretty great for an interactive novel.

    As a game, it's pooooooooooooooooooo.

    Dragon Age 2 remedies some of this by making combat less of a nail-through-the-dick experience, but of course has a grand total of like, 7 environments that are mostly awful to look at, among other problems.

    Edit: And now I flee to my awaiting escape vehicle, having severed all friendships on the internet.

    Even as a story though...

    You had creative license to make an entirely new franchise, not tied to any IP, and they chose the most generic fantasy shit.

    Dwarves underground, humans in cities, elves in forests, a race of bad guys called the Darkspawn. A final boss badguy, called the Archdemon who has no dialog or motivations beyond simply being evil.

    just ugh



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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Honestly, I found the dwaven politics and city elf 2nd class thing a hell of a lot more interesting than this whole mage vs papist schtick they keep ham handling in

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    smof wrote: »
    I loved Alistair! I just found him most hilarious when provoked into being snarky.

    fair

    I could not stand Morrigan, though

    she was an asshole

    claudia black did an excellent job making me hate her

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    sarukun wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Both Dragon Age games are pretty good but unremarkable goodbye friends

    haha wow and they say I'm the bad opinions guy

    Dragon Age is pretty great for an interactive novel.

    As a game, it's pooooooooooooooooooo.

    Dragon Age 2 remedies some of this by making combat less of a nail-through-the-dick experience, but of course has a grand total of like, 7 environments that are mostly awful to look at, among other problems.

    Edit: And now I flee to my awaiting escape vehicle, having severed all friendships on the internet.

    Even as a story though...

    You had creative license to make an entirely new franchise, not tied to any IP, and they chose the most generic fantasy shit.

    Dwarves underground, humans in cities, elves in forests, a race of bad guys called the Darkspawn. A final boss badguy, called the Archdemon who has no dialog or motivations beyond simply being evil.

    just ugh

    I'll give you the Darkspawn, but the Dwarves and Elves deliberately subverted a lot of the traditional tropes associated with them

    to wit: the entire Dwarven society is built around the traditional "honorable warrior ancestor worship" thing, but in fact they only pay lip service to it and encourage being deceitful as fuck so long as you get away with it. And the ancestor worship plays out as a horrific caste system.

    The elves are the usual fallen society of woodsmen cliche, except instead of being mysterious forest people most of them are a slave race held in universal contempt by the rest of the world.

    also they gave the Dwarves American accents, c'mon that's breaking fucking ground

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    UrielUriel Registered User regular
    i could go for a steamed ham.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    yeah you either weren't paying attention or are kidding yourself if you don't recognize that the setting does some interesting stuff with the standard fantasy tropes

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    the only system left to explore is Sentry Omega/Virmire

    Psykoma on
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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    it does the least amount with them without being lord of the rings

    even the subverted stuff is stuff cribbed from the past 20 years of D&D

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