No, it's all super serious, because everyone hates nintendo all the time forever, poor nintendo.
I know, right? Poor, poor Nintendo. The Tiny Tim of this Christmas.
I've seen you make this same basic post a dozen times. "People complain when Nintendo does X, but not when other company does X!"
Nintendo is a multinational corporation with billions of dollars at its disposal. Hardly "Tiny Tim", here. It doesn't need to be defended from those mean ol' redditors. It needs to fix its own problems.
Nah, it's justified in this case and people in that thread point out the same thing, that Nintendo gets criticism but the other service outages are taken in stride...but he probably shouldn't bring up GAF stuff randomly at Penny Arcade. I mean, it's a different forum, people need context. And we should probably focus more on ourselves instead of being a treehouse for complaining about another forum.
Comparing Nintendo to Microsoft and Sony in terms of network infrastructure from an objective point of view is probably a little unfair. That's not to say consumers can't complain and shouldn't reasonably feel annoyed about prolonged outages.
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No, it's all super serious, because everyone hates nintendo all the time forever, poor nintendo.
I know, right? Poor, poor Nintendo. The Tiny Tim of this Christmas.
I've seen you make this same basic post a dozen times. "People complain when Nintendo does X, but not when other company does X!"
Nintendo is a multinational corporation with billions of dollars at its disposal. Hardly "Tiny Tim", here. It doesn't need to be defended from those mean ol' redditors. It needs to fix its own problems.
It's unfortunate that it's so difficult to infer sarcasm in text, otherwise you would have taken my "Tiny Tim" comment as such.
No, it's all super serious, because everyone hates nintendo all the time forever, poor nintendo.
I know, right? Poor, poor Nintendo. The Tiny Tim of this Christmas.
I've seen you make this same basic post a dozen times. "People complain when Nintendo does X, but not when other company does X!"
Nintendo is a multinational corporation with billions of dollars at its disposal. Hardly "Tiny Tim", here. It doesn't need to be defended from those mean ol' redditors. It needs to fix its own problems.
It's unfortunate that it's so difficult to infer sarcasm in text, otherwise you would have taken my "Tiny Tim" comment as such.
So was your original post about people complaining about Nintendo instead of other company is sarcastic, too?
The outage is embarrassing for Nintendo. As is the Steam outage for Valve. People just happen to love Steam enough that they don't mind a brief, unexpected outage. Valve built up that positive consumer relationship over years. What Nintendo needs to do is build that up for themselves.
If you're trying to strike up a discussion, it should be about why Nintendo doesn't have the same consumer support, rather than complaining about some jokes from another forum.
I wasn't really trying to strike up a discussion, I was just pointing out an amusing anecdote in relation to Nintendo's current eShop woes that was being discussed further up the previous page.
Yeah... I'm taking any criticism about Nintendo with a grain of salt, since Steam gave away a 4 year old game for free and exploded in pretty much the exact same way.
Just another notch on the belt on how the pure digital only future just isn't ready for prime time yet.
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In a fun twist, I never noticed the Steam outage, at all, because I was busy playing with my new 3DS and having some problems with the eShop due to *their* outage. :P
To be fair Nintendo's outage has been much more severe than the ones at the other services.
Though, continuing to be fair, while this is embarrassing/annoying/costly in the short-term, it will almost certainly be no big deal in the long-term and forgotten in about a week. Assuming things don't explode again when the Pokemon Bank goes back up.
I think Nintendo's outage was due to christmas rush and pokebank at the same time. Probably a bit ambitious to launch a huge service like that on the same day a jillion people who got 3DSes for christmas all try to update their systems. And download the patch for pokemon.
Working pretty well now though, downloaded 3 games this afternoon.
Steam's outage was because they gave away L4D2 free.
Of course, Nintendo's outage was because they gave away a month free of Pokemon transfer software, and Pokemon is one of the most popular games in the world, so.
To be fair Nintendo's outage has been much more severe than the ones at the other services.
Though, continuing to be fair, while this is embarrassing/annoying/costly in the short-term, it will almost certainly be no big deal in the long-term and forgotten in about a week. Assuming things don't explode again when the Pokemon Bank goes back up.
Is it? To be a bit snarky and cynical for a second, clearly Nintendo's online offerings are terrible. Nobody plays their games online, or buys digital games. So if it goes down, nobody cares, right? If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
Meanwhile Steam is in the middle of its winter sale. With 8 hour flash sales coming and going, and voting for snow globe cards with are important for... some reason? You can't log in? Oh shit, you can't vote or buy the game you wanted. And the clock is ticking! Clock! Is. Ticking!
Funnily enough, I didn't even know why Steam was down, and found it rather incredulous. Steam is down? ...The fuck? Did The Newell trip over the cord in a drunken Christmas stupor? Then I started reading a bit back, and learned they were giving away Left 4 Dead 2 away free. And concluded that had to be it.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
You know, it's true that the shorter outage may do Steam proportionally more damage than Nintendo had, since it seems like the Internet goes bonkers during their sales.
But of course we'll never know because Valve's finances are so locked down even the NSA couldn't get a glimmer of what they're like.
Overall I don't think Nintendo's is/was a big deal at all. If it went down because of a security breach or hackers that would be news, but in the end no one is going to be remembering the Great eShop Outage of '13. I don't have a PS3 or 360 anymore, but I still have their services on my Twitter feed and it seems like they go down occasionally too.
Overall I don't think Nintendo's is/was a big deal at all. If it went down because of a security breach or hackers that would be news, but in the end no one is going to be remembering the Great eShop Outage of '13. I don't have a PS3 or 360 anymore, but I still have their services on my Twitter feed and it seems like they go down occasionally too.
Every internet based service has outages. Such is the way of things.
To be fair Nintendo's outage has been much more severe than the ones at the other services.
Though, continuing to be fair, while this is embarrassing/annoying/costly in the short-term, it will almost certainly be no big deal in the long-term and forgotten in about a week. Assuming things don't explode again when the Pokemon Bank goes back up.
Is it? To be a bit snarky and cynical for a second, clearly Nintendo's online offerings are terrible. Nobody plays their games online, or buys digital games. So if it goes down, nobody cares, right? If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
Meanwhile Steam is in the middle of its winter sale. With 8 hour flash sales coming and going, and voting for snow globe cards with are important for... some reason? You can't log in? Oh shit, you can't vote or buy the game you wanted. And the clock is ticking! Clock! Is. Ticking!
Funnily enough, I didn't even know why Steam was down, and found it rather incredulous. Steam is down? ...The fuck? Did The Newell trip over the cord in a drunken Christmas stupor? Then I started reading a bit back, and learned they were giving away Left 4 Dead 2 away free. And concluded that had to be it.
They ended up extending those sales, so the damage done was fairly minimal.
I think part of the reason Nintendo is getting more guff for their service going down has to do with the fact that theirs went down from opening a pay service allowing people to do something in one of their most popular games that has traditionally been free, whereas Valve's issues stemmed from their service giving away a $20 game for free. We can act like it's just people beating up on Nintendo, but the reason behind the outages matter.
Nintendo always gets a free pass from me for QoL stuff with their internet services, since they're not making you pay to use basic features like playing games online.
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I think part of the reason Nintendo is getting more guff for their service going down has to do with the fact that theirs went down from opening a pay service allowing people to do something in one of their most popular games that has traditionally been free, whereas Valve's issues stemmed from their service giving away a $20 game for free. We can act like it's just people beating up on Nintendo, but the reason behind the outages matter.
I don't think this has much to do with the guff. Most people aren't complaining about that at all, you're the first I've seen to bring it up.
First, the service they're opening is free for the first month, which is probably why everyone is getting in on it right away. If you're a pokemaniac you get to transfer everything over for free. And Nintendo has already said that they're extending the period of that month to make up for the issues.
Second, it's not really something that was traditionally free. It's not equivalent to anything they've done before. The idea is that subscribing to this service will let you transfer any pokemon to and from any game that's released after Black and White 2. The thing that you could do for free was transfer pokemon from one specific generation to one other gen, one way, 6 at a time by playing an annoying minigame. This one is a whole box at a time, and it's supposed to be a cross-platform solution for dealing with any game generation/format nonsense now and forever. Plus the security of having it all on the cloud, and not worrying if you lose a cartridge or the save gets corrupted or whatever.
I think it sounds pretty neat, and it doesn't seem like a money grubbing scam. The price is $5 a year, or about 41 cents a month. The convenience seems worth that.
Hopefully Hello Games had some good offsite backups and are only set back minimally... well, as minimally as needing to buy new shit and find another office space and set your development environments again can be.
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Born Ready Studios (Strike Suit Zero) flooded too, but not nearly as bad thankfully.
Hopefully Hello Games had some good offsite backups and are only set back minimally... well, as minimally as needing to buy new shit and find another office space and set your development environments again can be.
i guess that's where they'll feel the benefit of being a 4 man team. less equipment to replace/people to relocate. still a terrible thing to have happened though, especially on Christmas Eve.
Hopefully Hello Games had some good offsite backups and are only set back minimally... well, as minimally as needing to buy new shit and find another office space and set your development environments again can be.
They might need to use the services of a data recovery company to rescue stuff from their hard drives. Anandtech did a feature on one a while ago.
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Not as insane as the idea that 6,500 people bought a PSP last week.
Not really surprising to me. The PSP is still quite attractive and has a few games coming out. It's also popular in terms of portable emulation machines.
Not as insane as the idea that 6,500 people bought a PSP last week.
Not really surprising to me. The PSP is still quite attractive and has a few games coming out. It's also popular in terms of portable emulation machines.
I love my PSP. It's a mobile PS1, which is basically everything I ever wanted in a handheld. Honestly I think that's why I have so little interest in the Vita; the PSP already plays everything I hanker for in a handheld, which is basically quality JRPGs and you're not beating the PS1 library there ever. Unless they really blow up the PS2 in their shop, which they haven't done yet as far as I know.
So apparently Hello Games insurance company isn't going to cover the flood damage.
For once I hope they do go to Kickstarter to get funding for the game. This is one I'd have no qualms about backing.
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The PSP still gets regular releases in the form of visual novels. Anyone who is a fan of those games will still be on the PSP wagon so many of those could be replacement systems or people deciding that dammit, now's the time to buy one and get my visual novel on.
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I've seen you make this same basic post a dozen times. "People complain when Nintendo does X, but not when other company does X!"
Nintendo is a multinational corporation with billions of dollars at its disposal. Hardly "Tiny Tim", here. It doesn't need to be defended from those mean ol' redditors. It needs to fix its own problems.
It's unfortunate that it's so difficult to infer sarcasm in text, otherwise you would have taken my "Tiny Tim" comment as such.
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Damn that Team Rocket.
So was your original post about people complaining about Nintendo instead of other company is sarcastic, too?
The outage is embarrassing for Nintendo. As is the Steam outage for Valve. People just happen to love Steam enough that they don't mind a brief, unexpected outage. Valve built up that positive consumer relationship over years. What Nintendo needs to do is build that up for themselves.
If you're trying to strike up a discussion, it should be about why Nintendo doesn't have the same consumer support, rather than complaining about some jokes from another forum.
I apologize if I've ruffled your feathers.
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Just another notch on the belt on how the pure digital only future just isn't ready for prime time yet.
Though, continuing to be fair, while this is embarrassing/annoying/costly in the short-term, it will almost certainly be no big deal in the long-term and forgotten in about a week. Assuming things don't explode again when the Pokemon Bank goes back up.
Working pretty well now though, downloaded 3 games this afternoon.
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Of course, Nintendo's outage was because they gave away a month free of Pokemon transfer software, and Pokemon is one of the most popular games in the world, so.
Is it? To be a bit snarky and cynical for a second, clearly Nintendo's online offerings are terrible. Nobody plays their games online, or buys digital games. So if it goes down, nobody cares, right? If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
Meanwhile Steam is in the middle of its winter sale. With 8 hour flash sales coming and going, and voting for snow globe cards with are important for... some reason? You can't log in? Oh shit, you can't vote or buy the game you wanted. And the clock is ticking! Clock! Is. Ticking!
Funnily enough, I didn't even know why Steam was down, and found it rather incredulous. Steam is down? ...The fuck? Did The Newell trip over the cord in a drunken Christmas stupor? Then I started reading a bit back, and learned they were giving away Left 4 Dead 2 away free. And concluded that had to be it.
But of course we'll never know because Valve's finances are so locked down even the NSA couldn't get a glimmer of what they're like.
Every internet based service has outages. Such is the way of things.
Here's hoping their recovery is swift and as painless as possible.
They ended up extending those sales, so the damage done was fairly minimal.
I think part of the reason Nintendo is getting more guff for their service going down has to do with the fact that theirs went down from opening a pay service allowing people to do something in one of their most popular games that has traditionally been free, whereas Valve's issues stemmed from their service giving away a $20 game for free. We can act like it's just people beating up on Nintendo, but the reason behind the outages matter.
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I don't think this has much to do with the guff. Most people aren't complaining about that at all, you're the first I've seen to bring it up.
First, the service they're opening is free for the first month, which is probably why everyone is getting in on it right away. If you're a pokemaniac you get to transfer everything over for free. And Nintendo has already said that they're extending the period of that month to make up for the issues.
Second, it's not really something that was traditionally free. It's not equivalent to anything they've done before. The idea is that subscribing to this service will let you transfer any pokemon to and from any game that's released after Black and White 2. The thing that you could do for free was transfer pokemon from one specific generation to one other gen, one way, 6 at a time by playing an annoying minigame. This one is a whole box at a time, and it's supposed to be a cross-platform solution for dealing with any game generation/format nonsense now and forever. Plus the security of having it all on the cloud, and not worrying if you lose a cartridge or the save gets corrupted or whatever.
I think it sounds pretty neat, and it doesn't seem like a money grubbing scam. The price is $5 a year, or about 41 cents a month. The convenience seems worth that.
And to think someone thought that DOOM took the week off.
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Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales):
[3DS] Pokemon X and Y (Nintendo, 10/12/13) – 212,666 (3,572,829)
[PS3] Shin Gundam Musou (Namco Bandai, 12/19/13) – 126,019 (New)
[PS3] Drakengard 3 (Square Enix, 12/19/13) – 114,024 (New)
[Wii U] Super Mario 3D World (Ninendo, 11/21/13) – 86,408 (327,514)
[PSV] Shin Gundam Musou (Namco Bandai, 12/19/13) – 52,667 (New)
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Nintendo, 11/08/13) – 41,137 (3,564,124)
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection: New Life (04/18/13) – 38,405 (1,584,122)
[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 (Capcom, 09/14/13) – 37,034 (3,067,313)
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go Glaaxy Big Bang / Supernova (Level-5, 12/05/13) – 33,328 (155,488)
[3DS] Attack on Titan: The Last Wings of Mankind (Spike Chunsoft, 12/05/13) – 30,363 (166,145)
[3DS] Aikatsu! 2-ri no My Princess (11/21/13) – 29,223 (146,898)
[3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life (Namco Bandai, 08/01/13) – 28,562 (378,584)
[3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World R (Namco Bandai, 11/21/13) – 28,108 (169,388)
[3DS] Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon (Nintendo, 03/20/13) – 26,931 (985,442)
[PSV] Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram (Namco Bandai, 12/19/13) – 26,363 (New)
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo, 03/20/11) – 26,931 (2,205,807)
[3DS] Sentouchu Densetsu no Shinobi to Survival Battle (Namco Bandai, 10/17/13) – 24,842 (158,239)
[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo, 07/28/12) – 24,154 (2,182,408)
[Wii U] Wii Party U (Nintendo, 10/31/13) – 23,972 (119,100)
Hardware Sales (followed by last week’s sales):
Wii U – 109,113 (74,903)
3DS – 68,522 (50,846)
PlayStation Vita – 50,087 (30,440)
PlayStation 3 – 24,573 (23,959)
PSP – 9,905 (6,475)
PlayStation Vita TV – 5,504 (5,506)
Wii – 1,711 (1,197)
Xbox 360 – 763 (536)
TLDR: The Wii U is up to 109,113 (up 34,210) units sold last week, second only to the 3DS LL at 164,078 (up 33368).
i guess that's where they'll feel the benefit of being a 4 man team. less equipment to replace/people to relocate. still a terrible thing to have happened though, especially on Christmas Eve.
Ahem, I believe you missed the post directly above yours.
NO EXCEPTIONS.
They might need to use the services of a data recovery company to rescue stuff from their hard drives. Anandtech did a feature on one a while ago.
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hell even with big operations it can be somewhat of an after thought. the story of how Pixar nearly lost Toy Story 2 is a shocking example.
And Square Enix somehow lost all the assets to KH1.
That is insane.
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Not as insane as the idea that 6,500 people bought a PSP last week.
Not really surprising to me. The PSP is still quite attractive and has a few games coming out. It's also popular in terms of portable emulation machines.
For once I hope they do go to Kickstarter to get funding for the game. This is one I'd have no qualms about backing.