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Is it a good time to build a PC?

lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
So, my desktop died on me this past week. I've been wanting to upgrade it for quite some time, but I'm not sure if this is the best moment. Vista just came out and I'm not sure if it's wise to make the jump. On the other hand, I don't want a system that'll be REALLY outdated in a couple of months (because it'll probably be outdated the minute I buy the Mobo...). Should I just stick to my puny laptop or should I make the jump?

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  • DoubleMsDoubleMs Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'd personally say no. Wait until June/July. A new wave of Intel cores are supposed to hit this summer, driving down the price of Core 2 Duo probably.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Also gonna say wait. Not only processors, but also video cards will probably get a lot cheaper in a few months as more and more DX10 cards start coming out. Not sure on dates and specifics though, but that's what I gathered.

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  • ErockErock Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    In terms of games (if thats what you mainly use your PC for) I think now would be the wrong time. Everyone knows that Q4 is the best time for games, and as far as I know, there's nothing very amazing coming out for PC until late in the year.

    I'd wait until a. the bugs in Vista get fixed and/or b. the next groundbreaking game comes out that needs a new system.

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  • megabytemegabyte Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    wait for crysis. SERIOUSLY. wait for it.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I agree somewhat with what everyone else has said. But also bear in mind that there will allways be something on the horizon worth waiting for, thats the nature of technology, eventually you have to bite the bullet, and it's really up to you when you want to do so.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Yeah, I think it was pretty clear. Probably will hold off that purchase 'till q3 or so. Thanks for the replies!

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The correct time to buy a computer is always right now. Every part you buy will always be outdated/outperformed by something else. However, you can always build a very nice machine for a decent price. I would say just go to newegg or something, order parts and put one together. Don't even worry about vista, it's a non-issue. If there's a vista exclusive game you want later, THAT's when you buy it. Just stick with XP for a while.

    So, unless you seriously have NO pc games you want to play right now...and for the next couple months as well, I'd say go ahead and get it.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The correct time to buy a computer is always right now. Every part you buy will always be outdated/outperformed by something else. However, you can always build a very nice machine for a decent price. I would say just go to newegg or something, order parts and put one together. Don't even worry about vista, it's a non-issue. If there's a vista exclusive game you want later, THAT's when you buy it. Just stick with XP for a while.

    So, unless you seriously have NO pc games you want to play right now...and for the next couple months as well, I'd say go ahead and get it.

    Yes, but a few price drops are on the horizon, so I'd say you should wait until CPUs and GPUs drop, which shouldn't be long now.

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  • Lord JezoLord Jezo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    April 22nd the price drops come.

    Just hold off for another few weeks.

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  • MiglioriMigliori Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    April 22nd the price drops come.

    Just hold off for another few weeks.

    These are only minor price cuts though, the really big cuts and new products are supposed to be comming in July.

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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    megabyte wrote: »
    wait for crysis. SERIOUSLY. wait for it.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I just ordered a new system yesterday. Yeah there is going to be a price cut on the CPU, but I have been waiting forever to build a new system, and just go my taxes. I would have saved like 50 bucks, but I got Supreme Commander for free so its kind of a trade off. Newegg is giving the game away with a Core Duo 6600. I'm not a huge strategy fan but I hear good things.

    Also with the release of the 8800GTS 320 there is an option for people who want a good DX10 card without spending $400+. Most people don't push the resolutions that the more expensive cards are needed for anyway. I know I don't.

    All told I put a damn good machine together for 1300 with shipping. I could have saved a bit if I would have ordered from lots of different places, but I like Neweggs return policy, and I've always had good luck with them. And this machine will rule Oblivion's balls so I can finally play it. It sits there mocking me from my shelf becuase it makes my current machine cry, even without any fancy stuff turned on.

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  • RMH03RMH03 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    first off there will never be a perfect time to build a pc there will always be something to wait for fist it was conroe cpu's then directx 10 was on the doorstep now conroe price cuts and by then you'll have more gpu price cuts on the way and possibly ATI's Direct X 10 offerings.

    So at some point your gonna have to bite the bullet however you are probably best off leaving it as late as possible to get the most for your money, if you need a pc now go for it, if you can put up with your laptop untill game X hits wait untill game X is on the doorsep and build a new machine then,

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  • TxdoHawkTxdoHawk Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    RMH03 wrote: »
    ...if you can put up with your laptop untill game X hits wait untill game X is on the doorsep and build a new machine then,

    This is pretty much my advice...although I would say that if you're willing to wait this long, wait for reviews with the inevitable benchmarks, so you can build a system you know will run the game smoothly at the resolution you choose.

    I'm currently waiting for Unreal Tournament 3 to do just this...which is kind of aggravating, because after Gears of War Epic is back to "it's done...when it's done!" I may not have a new computer until mid-2008 at this rate.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    TxdoHawk wrote: »
    RMH03 wrote: »
    ...if you can put up with your laptop untill game X hits wait untill game X is on the doorsep and build a new machine then,

    This is pretty much my advice...although I would say that if you're willing to wait this long, wait for reviews with the inevitable benchmarks, so you can build a system you know will run the game smoothly at the resolution you choose.

    I'm currently waiting for Unreal Tournament 3 to do just this...which is kind of aggravating, because after Gears of War Epic is back to "it's done...when it's done!" I may not have a new computer until mid-2008 at this rate.
    The last I heard, Unreal 3 runs buttery smooth on a 7800 class video card. Epic's engines also tend to scale really well.

    Crysis, on the other hand...

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2007
    No, it never, ever is. But wait until there are more DX10 video cards on the market, and grab one of those, because you'll wish you had if you don't.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I personally snapped, and don't regret it :)

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    but since your comp died, what are you gonna do till you build one?

    I mean, obviously, you have some sort of computer to be posting here, but...do you plan on buying a junker just to get by for now?

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  • hambonehambone Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    (affordable) Terabyte hard drives will be making it to market over the next couple months too.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Migliori wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    April 22nd the price drops come.

    Just hold off for another few weeks.

    These are only minor price cuts though, the really big cuts and new products are supposed to be comming in July.

    On the higher end models. The low-midrange C2D's, which overclock to 3.5Ghz with a good quality heatsink will be between $113 and $133 shortly after April 22nd. It's only the E6550 and up that get price cuts in July.

    The end of the month, beginning of May is actually an excellent time to build PC because the midrange C2D's get a healthy price cut and hopefully Nvidia and ATi will have their midrange DX10 cards on the market. Having a card based on a unified shader architecture is definitely worth waiting for.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    JWFokker wrote: »
    Migliori wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    April 22nd the price drops come.

    Just hold off for another few weeks.

    These are only minor price cuts though, the really big cuts and new products are supposed to be comming in July.

    On the higher end models. The low-midrange C2D's, which overclock to 3.5Ghz with a good quality heatsink will be between $113 and $133 shortly after April 22nd. It's only the E6550 and up that get price cuts in July.

    The end of the month, beginning of May is actually an excellent time to build PC because the midrange C2D's get a healthy price cut and hopefully Nvidia and ATi will have their midrange DX10 cards on the market. Having a card based on a unified shader architecture is definitely worth waiting for.
    When will the first DX10 game be released? Until then there is no way to know if you are buying a 9800 or a 5200.

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  • TalonrazorTalonrazor Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm building a computer right now and I'm using an EVGA video card to do it. With EVGA you can trade, at the full price you paid, a graphics card up to a more recent one. So when the drops hit in July, I'll trade my GTS in for a much cheaper GTX and get it way cheaper then I could now. All I'm doing is waiting for the 22nd to pick up a mid-range C2D chip, overclock it then pick up a new one in Q4. Probably will grab a 6300 or something.

    Good way to build.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    JWFokker wrote: »
    Migliori wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    April 22nd the price drops come.

    Just hold off for another few weeks.

    These are only minor price cuts though, the really big cuts and new products are supposed to be comming in July.

    On the higher end models. The low-midrange C2D's, which overclock to 3.5Ghz with a good quality heatsink will be between $113 and $133 shortly after April 22nd. It's only the E6550 and up that get price cuts in July.

    The end of the month, beginning of May is actually an excellent time to build PC because the midrange C2D's get a healthy price cut and hopefully Nvidia and ATi will have their midrange DX10 cards on the market. Having a card based on a unified shader architecture is definitely worth waiting for.
    When will the first DX10 game be released? Until then there is no way to know if you are buying a 9800 or a 5200.

    What are you trying to say? It doesn't matter when the first DX10 game is released, the important thing is that they're using unified shader architecture, which means about twice as much horsepower as the current generation, aside from 8800 cards obviously. Are you advocating waiting even longer? The point is not the DX10 features, but the raw processing power, which in the midrange and lowend segment, will double in the next month. If you're really suggesting to wait for the next batch of cards after that for whatever unfathomable reason, be prepared to wait until Q4 '07 at the earliest. GPU hardware cycles are getting MUCH longer than they have been in the past, and considering the fundamental change in GPU technology that this coming generation is bringing, I would not expect the NEXT one to be anywhere near as large a performance improvement.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    JWFokker wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    JWFokker wrote: »
    Migliori wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    April 22nd the price drops come.

    Just hold off for another few weeks.

    These are only minor price cuts though, the really big cuts and new products are supposed to be comming in July.

    On the higher end models. The low-midrange C2D's, which overclock to 3.5Ghz with a good quality heatsink will be between $113 and $133 shortly after April 22nd. It's only the E6550 and up that get price cuts in July.

    The end of the month, beginning of May is actually an excellent time to build PC because the midrange C2D's get a healthy price cut and hopefully Nvidia and ATi will have their midrange DX10 cards on the market. Having a card based on a unified shader architecture is definitely worth waiting for.
    When will the first DX10 game be released? Until then there is no way to know if you are buying a 9800 or a 5200.

    What are you trying to say? It doesn't matter when the first DX10 game is released, the important thing is that they're using unified shader architecture, which means about twice as much horsepower as the current generation, aside from 8800 cards obviously. Are you advocating waiting even longer? The point is not the DX10 features, but the raw processing power, which in the midrange and lowend segment, will double in the next month. If you're really suggesting to wait for the next batch of cards after that for whatever unfathomable reason, be prepared to wait until Q4 '07 at the earliest. GPU hardware cycles are getting MUCH longer than they have been in the past, and considering the fundamental change in GPU technology that this coming generation is bringing, I would not expect the NEXT one to be anywhere near as large a performance improvement.
    This is the part they are going to have to prove with gaming benchmarks. The 8800 is fast on current benchmarks because it has an unholy amount of horsepower, not because of unified shaders.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I buily my computer about 7 months ago, and it wouldn't be much cheaper to build it right now.

    One thing I've noticed (though this might just be my imagination) is that RAM prices fluctuate quite a bit due to demand - when new processors come out, older processors decrease in price but RAM prices increase (since more people are building systems at this time), so you wouldn't save as much on a whole system as you might hope.

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  • KamiKami Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    See, after tax return, I'm biting the bullet on a mid-range videocard. I only have a gig of RAM, but I have a hefty processer, but no videocard (I'm running integrated). I'm just going to update so I can enjoy what's currently on the market, and be able to run UT3 with mid-settings. I know there's the 8800 GTX series that recently released, but I don't see myself needing that much power at the moment.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    This is the part they are going to have to prove with gaming benchmarks. The 8800 is fast on current benchmarks because it has an unholy amount of horsepower, not because of unified shaders.

    Unified shaders are exactly WHY the 8800 cards are so powerful. Instead of being bottlenecked by what distribution of vertex and pixel shaders the card possesses, the GPU will allocate whatever is required by the game. It hugely improves shader utilization, which is increasingly important with each generation of graphics engines, and has been a source of inefficiency since the very inception of vertex and pixel shading. Now the limitation is going to be raw horsepower. Simply the sheer number of calculations the GPU can do per cycle, and to a lesser degree, fill rate (mostly on bottom end cards and at high resolutions with AA/AF enabled).

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Marty81 wrote: »
    I buily my computer about 7 months ago, and it wouldn't be much cheaper to build it right now.

    One thing I've noticed (though this might just be my imagination) is that RAM prices fluctuate quite a bit due to demand - when new processors come out, older processors decrease in price but RAM prices increase (since more people are building systems at this time), so you wouldn't save as much on a whole system as you might hope.

    RAM prices, especially DDR2, are at an all-time low.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    JWFokker wrote: »
    Marty81 wrote: »
    I buily my computer about 7 months ago, and it wouldn't be much cheaper to build it right now.

    One thing I've noticed (though this might just be my imagination) is that RAM prices fluctuate quite a bit due to demand - when new processors come out, older processors decrease in price but RAM prices increase (since more people are building systems at this time), so you wouldn't save as much on a whole system as you might hope.

    RAM prices, especially DDR2, are at an all-time low.

    That makes sense right now. What I'm saying is expect RAM prices to rise as the new processors come out this summer.

    Maybe buy the RAM now, and buy the rest of the rig in July?

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The further discussion has only strengthened my resolve in my original statement: The correct time to build a computer is now. Computer parts have more incremental upgrades than any other gaming hardware, and unless you're buying so close to the bleeding edge that it hurts, waiting for a month won't really affect the cost a whole hell of a lot.

    Now, if you ARE buying so close to the bleeding edge that it hurts...then you're probably not really concerned with price anyway. So you should STILL build it now, and just upgrade later.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    A bit off-topic: how much do you guys expect the GeForce 8600 to cost?

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    A bit off-topic: how much do you guys expect the GeForce 8600 to cost?

    There's going to be three versions

    One's going to cost $120, another $150, and the last one $200.

    So it might go Vanilla, GT, and Ultra.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    A bit off-topic: how much do you guys expect the GeForce 8600 to cost?

    There's going to be three versions

    One's going to cost $120, another $150, and the last one $200.

    So it might go Vanilla, GT, and Ultra.

    Oh wow. Definitely going to wait, I think. Unless a 7900GS is better than an 8600GT/GS.

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  • KamiKami Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    A bit off-topic: how much do you guys expect the GeForce 8600 to cost?

    There's going to be three versions

    One's going to cost $120, another $150, and the last one $200.

    So it might go Vanilla, GT, and Ultra.

    Does anybody know if the rumored April 17th date still stands?

    I'd love to get one then, as it's right around the same day I'll get my tax return.

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm going to jump in the DX10 bandwagon too.

    Hopefully I won't be the only one equipping the 8600GT/Ultra (Whichever I get) into my 939 socket system.

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  • Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm planning on getting a new PC sometime this year, I'm just waiting for something to justify the purchase. NWN2 is just barely playable, as is C&C3. I can see myself getting something Q4

    As people that say anytime is a good time to buy a PC, I'm inclined to disagree. I think the time is when there is a swag of games you want, that you can't play on your current rig. I wouldn't suggest anyone getting a new PC for the sake of playing games in 7 months time. That's just silly. Wait until what you want it here, then upgrade. Now is not always the time to get a new PC.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote: »
    I'm planning on getting a new PC sometime this year, I'm just waiting for something to justify the purchase. NWN2 is just barely playable, as is C&C3. I can see myself getting something Q4

    As people that say anytime is a good time to buy a PC, I'm inclined to disagree. I think the time is when there is a swag of games you want, that you can't play on your current rig. I wouldn't suggest anyone getting a new PC for the sake of playing games in 7 months time. That's just silly. Wait until what you want it here, then upgrade. Now is not always the time to get a new PC.

    But what was also said was, "It's always going to be on the verge of a price drop." Eventually, you're going to need to buckle down and just buy what you want. It's constantly getting cheaper, but it's also constantly becoming outdated.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I would wait probably a year, or maybe a year and a half if you want something that does DX10 and vista well; I figure mfgers have yet to make sure everything is optimized for a vista environment and the first gen dx10 cards won't be the optimal ones. That's probably 6 months away. When that hits the bleeding edge dx10 stuff will be cheaper. But then you don't want the bleeding edge stuff, anyway, you want the stuff that will come down in price next. It's like waiting for the x1800/1900 instead of getting the x850 stuff..( i sincerely hope I got my model analogies right.)

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  • Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote: »
    I'm planning on getting a new PC sometime this year, I'm just waiting for something to justify the purchase. NWN2 is just barely playable, as is C&C3. I can see myself getting something Q4

    As people that say anytime is a good time to buy a PC, I'm inclined to disagree. I think the time is when there is a swag of games you want, that you can't play on your current rig. I wouldn't suggest anyone getting a new PC for the sake of playing games in 7 months time. That's just silly. Wait until what you want it here, then upgrade. Now is not always the time to get a new PC.

    But what was also said was, "It's always going to be on the verge of a price drop." Eventually, you're going to need to buckle down and just buy what you want. It's constantly getting cheaper, but it's also constantly becoming outdated.

    Aye, that's also true, but you can still do a little research and find out the release dates of hardware that's coming up, and aim for then. I still don't think it's wise to make the blanket statement that there is always something coming that will make you regret your instant purchase. I think you're better off doing a little research, finding out if there is anything coming out in a reasonable time frame, and set yourself a date. There are still better times to buy hardware than others

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mr_Snuffle wrote: »
    Mr_Snuffle wrote: »
    I'm planning on getting a new PC sometime this year, I'm just waiting for something to justify the purchase. NWN2 is just barely playable, as is C&C3. I can see myself getting something Q4

    As people that say anytime is a good time to buy a PC, I'm inclined to disagree. I think the time is when there is a swag of games you want, that you can't play on your current rig. I wouldn't suggest anyone getting a new PC for the sake of playing games in 7 months time. That's just silly. Wait until what you want it here, then upgrade. Now is not always the time to get a new PC.

    But what was also said was, "It's always going to be on the verge of a price drop." Eventually, you're going to need to buckle down and just buy what you want. It's constantly getting cheaper, but it's also constantly becoming outdated.

    Aye, that's also true, but you can still do a little research and find out the release dates of hardware that's coming up, and aim for then. I still don't think it's wise to make the blanket statement that there is always something coming that will make you regret your instant purchase. I think you're better off doing a little research, finding out if there is anything coming out in a reasonable time frame, and set yourself a date. There are still better times to buy hardware than others

    That's not what I meant. Let's make an example: you have $100. You're waiting for item A to become $100. When it does, item B comes out. Now you want to wait for item B to become $100. When that drops, item C comes out. Basically, you're going to need to buy something sooner or later, because technology develops so rapidly.

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