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2 injured, suspect dead in [Colorado School Shooting]
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Getting reports of an active shooter at Arapahoe High School in CO.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/13/developing_active_shooter_situation_at_colorado_high.html
http://kdvr.com/2013/12/13/2-injured-in-shooting-at-arapahoe-high-school/
This appears to be over with no indication of another shooter or further injuries reported. No updated on the injured students though.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/13/developing_active_shooter_situation_at_colorado_high.html
http://kdvr.com/2013/12/13/2-injured-in-shooting-at-arapahoe-high-school/
Our Boris Sanchez was reporting that the ages of the two students shot were 15 and 16, and one of them is in critical condition after being shot in the head. As of 1:50 p.m., Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson confirmed that the suspected shooter was dead.
This appears to be over with no indication of another shooter or further injuries reported. No updated on the injured students though.
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This sucks.
Welp.
I'm not sure what's worse: the typical spree shooting or something like this, which is basically an assassination attempt.
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That makes me angry. It's pretty stupid that it makes me angry - I mean, what is the guy supposed to do?
But it still makes me mad.
I guess I'm so used to reported acts of daring heroism that I'm now unfairly biased against people that do something more typical.
The teacher was getting away from the students, from what I understand. Apparently, they told the students to stay inside while they ran out, to get the shooter away from them. So keep your faith in humanity The Ender
Edit: @ing was silly.
Like expansion of Mental Health services and starting a campaign that would reduce/get rid of the othering effect that mental health issues have so people wouldn't be too self conscious or ashamed to get help when they need it.
There is a non-zero chance that better regulation / healthier firearm culture would also help in general.
Given that this one was a kid with a conventional shotgun, a chip on his shoulder and whatever other problems that are probably going to be unearthed, though, yeah: firearm regulation probably wouldn't have had the most impact here. It echoes of the Taber shooting.
If it was another kid with a semi-automatic pistol and dozens of rounds of ammunition, then it would probably be more reasonable to start asking regulatory questions again (...on that same token, I would note: one kid with a shotgun was certainly not able to do what a guy with a Bushmaster or glock was able to do in a school).
Possible that better mental health could have prevented this, but we don't have enough details yet.
I'm curious to hear what this kids beef was with the teacher because that's going to give us the best clue of what, if anything, could have been done to prevent this.
I agree with both of the above. On the one hand firearms that kill with greater efficiency lead to a higher bodycount in the event of a spree shooting. OTOH unless we restrict access to all firearms harsher gun control wouldn't have helped at all in this case. Jumping to there because of an event like this just makes progressives seem as nuts as the NRA wants its constituents to think we are.
Parents working 20 jobs apiece for minimum wage, no mental health care, and an unhealthy obsession with firearms would be my guess.
So far it sounds like everyone did exactly what they were supposed to do and saved a lot of lives.
"Abbey Skoda, a junior, told The Denver Post: "He had very strong beliefs about gun laws and stuff. I also heard he was bullied a lot."
Uh oh.
"Neighbors said Pierson was a nice, quiet teen who lived with a nice, quiet family in a nice, quiet neighborhood."
I bet those neighbors are lying.
I haven't seen or heard anything about the kid's dad but I'd bet my left nut that his father probably listens to Limbaugh and considers Sean Hannity to be a voice of reason.
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"Joe Redmond, also a fellow senior and one of three co-captains of the debate team, said Pierson was kicked off the team and suspended from school in September for a few weeks after threatening the coach."
"Pierson told Redmond that he still hated the teacher, and said, “Apparently you get suspended for threatening to kill a teacher.” He said Pierson went cold at that point, looked at Redmond, and then looked at the ground."
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The shooter didn't know where the teacher was and was demanding to know where he was at while holding the gun.
Students warned the teacher who did the smart thing and left the building before the shooter could find him.
Why do people do this shit every time.
The kid is reported to be from Highlands Ranch. Middle to Upper Middle Class white neighborhood that tends to vote republican and is a quiet, safe neighborhood. And is pretty much a perfect example of suburbia.
His parents voting or opinions on voting or who they watch probably have 0 to do with any of this. Really just go ahead don't speculate and make shit up like that.
Then again threatening to kill a teacher should've been met with a few visits to the school counselor instead of a suspension.
Parents are alive. And have not been mentioned as dead since they have been in the guys house.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24724553/arapahoe-high-school-shooting-sheriffs-office-interview-hundreds
Kind of stick to the news going in.
A lot of these tend to be a mix of things. Arapahoe is a big school. It is the IB school for a couple of districts. The school also is out of his neighborhood by the way.
The fact he targeted a teacher is interesting. The fact he committed suicide after hurting others, including a girl who was his friend shows that he probably had overwhelming remorse afterwards.
Listen I know trying to figure out and guess why is the favorite past time for these things. But let us stick to the information that has come out. And not try to paint this one way or another.
Also the bullying thing is possible. Big schools tend to have such things go more unnoticed than say a smaller school. Especially a school like Arapahoe that runs on an odd block schedule so there are almost always students moving about and not all the students are in school at the same time.
As I mentioned, the teacher's goal was to get the shooter away from the school.
The time line wast less than 5 minutes between him shooting the girl and him shooting himself.
I know we like to think of these folks as monsters but this one seems to have shot her then shot himself in a very short amount of time. My guess, and I want to stress guess is he shot her, saw it and then probably had the remorse hit and took his own life.
There is a difference between say gunning 10 people down with a weapon far away and shooting someone right in front of you with a shotgun, especially if they weren't the target. Kid probably had something push him over the edge in the first place, this probably pushed him over the edge in a way backwards so he took his life.
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um, no. Anyone who threatens to kill a teacher should be removed from the school on the spot. You need to have zero tolerance for that type of behavior.
If you threaten to kill a teacher you should be removed from the property, your parents should be notified, and you should not be allowed to return until you have visited with a counselor who feels it's safe for you to return.
Punishment should have been given but removing him from the school doesn't help. I bet if they had sat him in a room with the teacher a school counselor and a principal things might not have gone so bad. By all accounts the kid seemed to love to debate and talk, so they should have talked with him. Don't kick him out of the school for a few days and let it fester.
Suspension doesn't even work as intended because the kids that get suspended with it the most have the parents that don't give a shit the most. In school suspension works better, remove the kid from the general population, but keep him in the school to learn and so he has a counselor to talk with if he wants too and so he can continue learning at least on some level.
I would hereby like to speculate that Sarah Palin has a hairy chest
But what in the world can be gained from such speculation except to pass premature judgment
Wait until the facts are out before feeling sorry for or condemning or whatever to anybody related to this
"Colorado Gunman Intended to Kill Many, Police Say"
"Colorado school shooter came armed for slaughter"
"Colorado school rampage lasted less than 2 minutes"
Like, is what did happen not bad enough? Why do the Cops/Media need to construct this massive counter-factual blood bath that didn't actually happen to scare people with. And I think it makes how we perceive the entire incident wrong.
I guess this is equally speculative, but from the facts we have this thing reads much more as a 'suicide but I'm taking that bastard with me' situation rather than a lets shoot everyone I can cause I'm fucking crazy. Evidenced by the fact that he shot 1 person( because 'that bastard' was out of reach) and then killed himself.