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[Magic: the Gathering] Durdle turtle's a big hurdle.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Probably because they're both 4-drops, and I think Reaper of the Wilds is the better golgari 4-drop?

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    Also, I wonder how viable mixing Tribute with Evolve could end up, or at least with some of the Simic token shifting.

    Also also, someone's going to try a Tribute + Corpsejack in standard.

    Actually, why haven't I seen Corpsejack and Desecration Demon together?

    I abuse the hell out of Corpsejack in EDH, but he's just not quite good enough for standard. The combos you'd use him on are too slow.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    New spoiler with an application of Hexproof I approve of:

    Tromokratis
    5UU
    Legendary Creature - Kraken
    ~ has hexproof unless it's attacking or blocking.
    ~ can't be blocked unless all creatures defending player controls block it.
    8/8

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    here's a picture of it, my buddy just posted it on tumblr

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    I'm glad they're playing around more with conditional hexproof.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    That seems like a very powerful card. I mean 7 CMC wil lmake it tough to play, but it certainly is beastly

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Wow that's kind of insane. A single Pacifism effect or tapper makes him unblockable forever. Fortunately both of those effects are rare in Theros limited, but still.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Every time there's a giant blue sea creature that doesn't cost 9, Grozoth sheds a single tear.

    And then Inkwell Leviathan gently lays a flipper on his shoulder and whispers, "There, there. I'll never leave you."

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Wow that's kind of insane. A single Pacifism effect or tapper makes him unblockable forever. Fortunately both of those effects are rare in Theros limited, but still.

    I never thought of the Pacifism interaction. That's brutal.

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    metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
    I don't think I ever understood Grozoth's design. Like... you're supposed to build a deck with 4 Grozoth and a bunch of other 9 drops that you would tutor for by casting a single Grozoth, fetching your other Grozoths, and then transmuting them into Blazing Archon?

    Sure thing.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    metaghost wrote: »
    I don't think I ever understood Grozoth's design. Like... you're supposed to build a deck with 4 Grozoth and a bunch of other 9 drops that you would tutor for by casting a single Grozoth, fetching your other Grozoths, and then transmuting them into Blazing Archon?

    Sure thing.
    Grozoth came out one block after the Shoals and Myojin. Not necessarily a great deck type, but kind of a hilarious one.

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    ChenChen Registered User regular
    I used Grozoth to fetch Dragonstorm to fetch my shuffled in Niv-Mizzet to combo off in EDH before.

    Also, it can fetch Darksteel Forge, Blasphemous Act, Iona, Reya, Rise of the Dark Realms, Furnace Dragon and Zodiac Dragon (RIP Worldfire). Dat utility.

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    metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    metaghost wrote: »
    I don't think I ever understood Grozoth's design. Like... you're supposed to build a deck with 4 Grozoth and a bunch of other 9 drops that you would tutor for by casting a single Grozoth, fetching your other Grozoths, and then transmuting them into Blazing Archon?

    Sure thing.
    Grozoth came out one block after the Shoals and Myojin. Not necessarily a great deck type, but kind of a hilarious one.

    Hey, Blazing Shoal is banned in Modern.

    True, that has more to do with Infect than Shoals + 9-10 drops...

    EDIT: On a more serious note, Grozoth was about five or six years ahead of its time. You could have a lot of fun with Grozoth and Quest for Ula's Temple.

    (Although as Feral noted, you can really only get Leviathan, Inkwell, Thing From the Deep, and other copies of Grozoth.)

    Vyolynce on
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    APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    Thinking about burning some of my New Player Points to learn some limited. Before I do that can anyone direct me to some videos with good walkthroughs from playing M14 Limited (the New Player Points games ONLY use M14, no Theros)

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Thinking about burning some of my New Player Points to learn some limited. Before I do that can anyone direct me to some videos with good walkthroughs from playing M14 Limited (the New Player Points games ONLY use M14, no Theros)

    M14 Limited at SCG. Premium articles normally require a subscription, but once they're a few months old they are all free.
    M14 Set Reviews on CFB.
    M14 Limited at CFB.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    metaghost wrote: »
    I don't think I ever understood Grozoth's design. Like... you're supposed to build a deck with 4 Grozoth and a bunch of other 9 drops that you would tutor for by casting a single Grozoth, fetching your other Grozoths, and then transmuting them into Blazing Archon?

    Sure thing.
    Grozoth came out one block after the Shoals and Myojin. Not necessarily a great deck type, but kind of a hilarious one.

    Hey, Blazing Shoal is banned in Modern.

    True, that has more to do with Infect than Shoals + 9-10 drops...

    EDIT: On a more serious note, Grozoth was about five or six years ahead of its time. You could have a lot of fun with Grozoth and Quest for Ula's Temple.

    (Although as Feral noted, you can really only get Leviathan, Inkwell, Thing From the Deep, and other copies of Grozoth.)
    Infect drops the difficulty of sudden Shoal-related wins significantly.

    A buddy of mine built the Glitterfang, Shoal/Myojin, Shoal/Myojin deck to run in a block constructed tournament. It only worked once, but I don't think I've ever seen a magic player more pumped than he was. Or one more confused than his opponent.

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    nnanjinnanji Registered User regular
    Thinking about burning some of my New Player Points to learn some limited. Before I do that can anyone direct me to some videos with good walkthroughs from playing M14 Limited (the New Player Points games ONLY use M14, no Theros)

    The Limited Resources podcast is a pretty good for learning about Limited. In their archives they'll have a 2014 set review episode.

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    APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    So I was thinking about my Heoric deck and looking at cards for it.

    What about Artisan of Forms?! Can copy my opponents beasts, my Fabled Hero, my Phalanx Leader...

    Seems a real add in the deck.

    I could run fewer of the other guys, since he gives so much flexibility.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Artisan of Forms doesn't seem like it will do what you want it to do. For your opponent, that means they have to have a good creature down, and those are spells that can go to beefing up the guys you already have. The best your artisan of forms can do is trade in a lot of cases.

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    astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    The Betman wrote: »
    Artisan of Forms doesn't seem like it will do what you want it to do. For your opponent, that means they have to have a good creature down, and those are spells that can go to beefing up the guys you already have. The best your artisan of forms can do is trade in a lot of cases.

    My experience with Artisan in limited has been that it is really undervalued and underappreciated on the battlefield. If they attack with Nessian Asp into it and I have any sort of trick, they are just boned (assuming they don't have monstrosity). People walk into it who should really know better, and they do it multiple times in my experience.

    That said, constructed has a lot more instant speed removal and creatures like Polykronos who just laugh at you when you try to copy him with a 1/1.

    For APODionysus, remember that each spell you are pointing at artisan is a spell you are pointing away from your other dudes.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    The Betman wrote: »
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    metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
    The Full-Art Gameday promos for Pain Seer and Kiora's Follower are rad as fuck.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
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    You weren't joking, damn

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    Champion of Stray Souls?

    Garycycling.

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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    The Betman wrote: »
    Artisan of Forms doesn't seem like it will do what you want it to do. For your opponent, that means they have to have a good creature down, and those are spells that can go to beefing up the guys you already have. The best your artisan of forms can do is trade in a lot of cases.

    My experience with Artisan in limited has been that it is really undervalued and underappreciated on the battlefield. If they attack with Nessian Asp into it and I have any sort of trick, they are just boned (assuming they don't have monstrosity). People walk into it who should really know better, and they do it multiple times in my experience.

    That said, constructed has a lot more instant speed removal and creatures like Polykronos who just laugh at you when you try to copy him with a 1/1.

    For APODionysus, remember that each spell you are pointing at artisan is a spell you are pointing away from your other dudes.

    my experience with Artisan in limited has been that he's a 1/1 for 2 with no text :C
    i got him in like 3 theros sealed pools, and he was hands down the worst card in the deck every time.

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    AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Huh, they reprinted Infest.

    Except they made it better

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
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    Tromo - "a trembling or quaking with fear"
    kratis/kratos - strength/power
    this thing has forced me to make a Blue/Green kaiju deck with Colossus of Akros/Guardians of Meletis as jaegers
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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    Huh, they reprinted Infest.

    Except they made it better

    Not the black sweeper I was hoping for, but I guess I'll take it. Stupid Caryatids still survive it.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    I wasn't too hot on Standard lately, but Drown in Sorrow pretty much makes WW and RDW unplayable, so standard is a boring, expensive, Midrange fest.

    Again.

    So, I'm gonna cash out for Commander.

    And yes, I MAD.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    New infest doesn't kill MINOTAURS so its fine

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    GriswoldGriswold that's rough, buddyRegistered User regular
    New Infest seems mad strong, yo.

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    metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
    Not sure how good it will be in limited. Infest was awesome in Shards block, but there weren't a million random dudes back then that could rapidly accrue +1/+1 counters. It'll fuck up red decks, that's for sure, but I'm more concerned about the continued reign of U/W Heroic.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
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    SO IT BEGINS

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    So, Minotaur Tribal is also going to be a thing? I can get behind that; I think most of my conflicts with Standard are that I just want to build decks based on themes or silly names, when Standard really seems to be about abusing broken cards from what I've seen.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    So, Minotaur Tribal is also going to be a thing? I can get behind that; I think most of my conflicts with Standard are that I just want to build decks based on themes or silly names, when Standard really seems to be about abusing broken cards from what I've seen.

    I mean, I have two decks right now. One of which is a mono-red, a bit more serious kind of deal

    the other one is a completely garbage simic deck that runs plasm captures to play sylvan primordials on turn 4

    It goes off sometimes, and when it does its the best thing in the world and you can sneak out some pretty fun wins at an FNM. Standard is what you want it to be, moreso when you're at the right place to play it at.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    The Betman wrote: »
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    SO IT BEGINS

    I love that this guy is just Edgewalker (+1 toughness, because Minotaurs are tough) for a different tribe.

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    The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Every minotaur except Minotaur Skullcleaver survives an Infest, and that's all I needed to know

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    The Betman wrote: »
    Every minotaur except Minotaur Skullcleaver survives an Infest, and that's all I needed to know

    Fanatic of Mogis doesn't either but he's already done what he was put in the deck to do. (As has the Skullcleaver, probably.)

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    Hrm, I bet I could craft up a version of that Mogis/Desecration deck with Minotaurs...

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