You're paying cash to cut out some of the hours you'd have had to spend getting places at a slower speed. That's all there is to it. It's fine. You can have no qualms whatsoever with it. And others can have qualms with it and still enjoy the game. And others can have qualms with it and not buy the game because of it.
Nobody's wrong, and everybody has different perceptions. On that note, I'm not coming back to this subject because I want to actually discuss the fun of the game. I'm going to try out a Nightblade this weekend since I did Sorcerer last time, still using resto/destro staves and see how I feel about the class skills.
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I haven't tried out any kind of magic stuff at all, other than a templar I tried for a bit a few weeks ago. I might go sorceror this time.
A horse in an Elder Scrolls game is just a horse. It's something you pick up for convenience and it's completely optional. You can still play and enjoy the game without one. (I don't think I ever picked up a horse in Skyrim)
Seems to me the only reason people have their jimmies rustling over this horse thing is because of how WoW did it. People see horses as some sort of rite of passage. You get to X level and if you have saved up your shinies like a good little player, you'll be able to afford the Y amount of gold to buy your horse. This isn't WoW, no matter how much people want it to be.
I know it's impossible to imagine a world where WoW doesn't exist, but god dammit! Blizzard really fucked over the future of MMOs.
I gotta say, the magic is the most fun I've had with any magic casting in an MMO. I'm not typically one for magic, but because of the lack of cooldowns this one doesn't have "Put your best stuff on CD and spam your low cost spammable fireball" or whatever. From what I played, the destro staff involves a lot of putting a big ass flame wall down and making fools chase you into it, then knocking them back like a boss, then torching them with a fireball deal from range, etc.
So fun. Plus the fact that if you want a hybrid you can use your magicka to cast class spells and your stamina for weapon skills means fighter/mage types and what not are very satisfying to play too.
Hey, being able to ride horses at level 1 is awesome. When I get to 50 on my first character and it comes time to roll an alt, it'll be nice to be able to twink my alt with a horse from the get go and not have to do THAT grind again.
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I think I will try the magic thing when I get off work. Hell, I've yet to find any skill lines I dislike in this game.
My class in WoW was always rogue until the DK hit then I always did DK or paladin. I was thinking a nightblade with the right skills wearing heavy armor and a 2h would be pretty DK-like and Templar is an obvious paladin analog.
I imagine when you get to 50 on your first character 42k gold won't be much of an expense. Getting your first mount in vanilla WoW was expensive as hell. Hitting cap and getting the second one? Not really.
This whole mess seems to just be a snowball of them having CE in the first place (and from the sound of it they'd be fools not to have one, people seem more than happy enough to pay extra for trinkets).
Does your CE have worthless in-game bonuses? Unhappy CE owners. Worthwhile ones? Unhappy standard owners. Make the bonuses available in-game in a way that won't make CE owners feel like they wasted their money? Ermagerd cash shop madness.
yeah but for people like me the blatant cash grabs turn me off even looking at their game with anything except extreme skepticism
Hey, being able to ride horses at level 1 is awesome. When I get to 50 on my first character and it comes time to roll an alt, it'll be nice to be able to twink my alt with a horse from the get go and not have to do THAT grind again.
Personally it's a pet peeve of mine that most MMO's don't allow you to ride a horse until you level. Apparently, the common man cannot mount up, only a person with the skills to take down a giant has the wherewithal to wrangle a horse into submission and put a saddle on it.
This whole mess seems to just be a snowball of them having CE in the first place (and from the sound of it they'd be fools not to have one, people seem more than happy enough to pay extra for trinkets).
Does your CE have worthless in-game bonuses? Unhappy CE owners. Worthwhile ones? Unhappy standard owners. Make the bonuses available in-game in a way that won't make CE owners feel like they wasted their money? Ermagerd cash shop madness.
yeah but for people like me the blatant cash grabs turn me off even looking at their game with anything except extreme skepticism
it's something they should consider
the non cynical view of this move is that if you wanted the horse but not the imp edition sized payment- you can have it. and if not.... no big, its in game. They saw a void in thier offerings and filled it. And just like the imp edition itself- if you dont want to pay you can ignore it and its the same game.
It should be noted to people the IMP Edition is vastly out selling the regs version, despite all the internet bitching.
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Hey, being able to ride horses at level 1 is awesome. When I get to 50 on my first character and it comes time to roll an alt, it'll be nice to be able to twink my alt with a horse from the get go and not have to do THAT grind again.
Personally it's a pet peeve of mine that most MMO's don't allow you to ride a horse until you level. Apparently, the common man cannot mount up, only a person with the skills to take down a giant has the wherewithal to wrangle a horse into submission and put a saddle on it.
It's not there for common sense. It's there as a carrot to dangle and a sense of progression. "I had to slog it slow style for so many levels, but now I'm excited because I'm level 20 and I can finally get places faster!" You can of course just look at it as forcing you to travel at a pain in the ass slow pace for a while to artificially lengthen the time you play the game if you're cynical.
In my day we had to beg for a Spirit of the Wolf buff from a friendly Shaman or Druid before we tried travelling anywhere. =P
This whole mess seems to just be a snowball of them having CE in the first place (and from the sound of it they'd be fools not to have one, people seem more than happy enough to pay extra for trinkets).
Does your CE have worthless in-game bonuses? Unhappy CE owners. Worthwhile ones? Unhappy standard owners. Make the bonuses available in-game in a way that won't make CE owners feel like they wasted their money? Ermagerd cash shop madness.
yeah but for people like me the blatant cash grabs turn me off even looking at their game with anything except extreme skepticism
it's something they should consider
the non cynical view of this move is that if you wanted the horse but not the imp edition sized payment- you can have it. and if not.... no big, its in game. They saw a void in thier offerings and filled it. And just like the imp edition itself- if you dont want to pay you can ignore it and its the same game.
It should be noted to people the IMP Edition is vastly out selling the regs version, despite all the internet bitching.
And it should be noted that some of those people are doing so because we're reluctantly accepting defeat. We know how annoying it is to travel in an MMO without a horse and this game lets you have one right away if you pay more. Zenimax basically just defacto made the Imperial Edition the standard edition for anybody who doesn't want to pay a little bit less to have a worse experience in-game.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post about this issue any more, so now I gotta make a post about the gameplay itself.
Okay, so has anybody done any testing with the Templar ability Backlash? The tooltip on a character builder I was looking at previously implied that the ability worked as such: You cast it on yourself, you take damage, and then some of the damage you've taken blows up on nearby enemies. This makes sense for the ability's name of Backlash. You punish people for daring to attack you.
HOWEVER, in game the tooltip is totally different. It reads as such: Single target enemy cast, for 6 seconds the target stores damage and then takes 33% of that damage again at the end of the effect.
My questions:
- Is this accurate?
- Is this ALL damage the target takes in those 6 seconds?
If it reads the way it looks like, if you can manage 100% uptime on it by re-casting every 4.5 seconds then you're basically just increasing your entire group's DPS by 33% in a group encounter, which seems utterly obscene to me.
Look, how do I put down some cold hard cash for horse barding? Thats what inquiring minds want to know.
Oh god. They totally need to have that as this huge epic questline way out in the middle of nowhere. You run around doing all kinds of fetch quests, delving into dungeons, crafting items... and your reward is horse barding.
"Oh, wait, you said your horse was a size 6? Well shit, that won't even fit then. Well, enjoy it anyway."
Completely worthless horse barding. That you can't even show off to other players.
So I made a new character to fool around, and apparently they just give you a sword at the beginning now instead of letting you choose your weapon, and then it dumps you in the main city instead of the newbie land. With no direction and no quest person running up to you right away.
I like it. It's much more Elder Scrolls than the previous time. I don't mind having to work to get the weapon I want to use. I'll just put a few skill points in class skills right off the bat. And I definitely have no problem with just letting you explore whatever you want first instead of just starting you off with a quest immediately.
Anyone found an, errr, face design site or some such, with all the related slider settings detailed? Generally these things show up for the Bethesda games, Mass Effect, etc....
I have no skill at that and would prefer to steal the good work of others....
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Any found an, errr, face design site or some such, with all the related slider settings detailed? Generally these things show up for the Bethesda games, Mass Effect, etc....
I have no skill at that and would prefer to steal the good work of others....
Yowza, looks like the beta client I patched is not at all what I need, as it's trying to download what looks like 20 more gigs at a terrifyingly slow speed. I guess I'll be playing blind at release. =P
A horse in an Elder Scrolls game is just a horse. It's something you pick up for convenience and it's completely optional. You can still play and enjoy the game without one. (I don't think I ever picked up a horse in Skyrim)
Seems to me the only reason people have their jimmies rustling over this horse thing is because of how WoW did it. People see horses as some sort of rite of passage. You get to X level and if you have saved up your shinies like a good little player, you'll be able to afford the Y amount of gold to buy your horse. This isn't WoW, no matter how much people want it to be.
I know it's impossible to imagine a world where WoW doesn't exist, but god dammit! Blizzard really fucked over the future of MMOs.
It does actually annoy me that in MMOs mounts are a target that you aim for and save up for - no-one gives out slow ones at level 1 improves them as you level.
I'm liking the idea of being a level 3 mage on a horse.
We'll see how much I bother playing this weekend. Feels like I got my taste of the beta and I'm ready for launch now.
I'm in the same position.
I created a new Nord, to try out the Nord started area - lots of snowy mountains and iron helms, really feels like Skyrim.
But I don't actually want to do any question, as I want to save them for launch - and finding nice loot just seems cruel when you know it's getting wiped.
Still, I got to ride on the Imperial horse, which was fun. I think it would be quite a gold sink, if you're paying 50x250g to level it up.
This whole mess seems to just be a snowball of them having CE in the first place (and from the sound of it they'd be fools not to have one, people seem more than happy enough to pay extra for trinkets).
Does your CE have worthless in-game bonuses? Unhappy CE owners. Worthwhile ones? Unhappy standard owners. Make the bonuses available in-game in a way that won't make CE owners feel like they wasted their money? Ermagerd cash shop madness.
yeah but for people like me the blatant cash grabs turn me off even looking at their game with anything except extreme skepticism
it's something they should consider
But have you actually emailed them and let them know you're not buying the game ?
Because if you're still getting it, but grumbling about the Horsegate scandal, they're really not going to be bothered.
1. I don't like that I can't choose a weapon in Coldharbor other than a sword.
2. Holy crappin crap I wish they'd turn the phasing back on. There are mobs of people EVERYWHERE.
I chose to skip the start with a new character, and you appear in your village at level 3, with a few things in your backpack.
IIRC, you start with a sword, a 2H sword, a box with a bow and heave chestplate in, and some other stuff.
I think the jail might still be worth doing with new characters, unless you get another character to put some stuff in the bank for them, get them going.
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Anyone join me on Teamspeak?
Or is everyone in Vent now?
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So I've been having buttloads of fun with my siphon nightblade with heavy armor and 2h sword. I'll probably get him high enough to pvp this weekend.
Also I got my white pony. But frankly I've been on foot a lot.
Seriously the horse isn't that fast. At all. I guess it can sprint longer than you can on foot, but you get dismounted so easily. Plus there's the fact that you have to wait for the dismount animation when using a gathering node leaving it wide open for someone without a horse to walk up and steal it.
Been on PA team speak all day! Many pvps have been had.
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Is Storm on the Horizon bugged in Aldmeri? The quest tells me to talk to Razum-dar, but he just keeps telling me to stay by his side. Abandoning and taking it again hasn't solved it.
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Nobody's wrong, and everybody has different perceptions. On that note, I'm not coming back to this subject because I want to actually discuss the fun of the game. I'm going to try out a Nightblade this weekend since I did Sorcerer last time, still using resto/destro staves and see how I feel about the class skills.
Or fuck it maybe I'll be a sneaky magic assassin.
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Seems to me the only reason people have their jimmies rustling over this horse thing is because of how WoW did it. People see horses as some sort of rite of passage. You get to X level and if you have saved up your shinies like a good little player, you'll be able to afford the Y amount of gold to buy your horse. This isn't WoW, no matter how much people want it to be.
I know it's impossible to imagine a world where WoW doesn't exist, but god dammit! Blizzard really fucked over the future of MMOs.
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So fun. Plus the fact that if you want a hybrid you can use your magicka to cast class spells and your stamina for weapon skills means fighter/mage types and what not are very satisfying to play too.
PSN: Beltaine-77 | Steam: beltane77 | Battle.net BadHaggis#1433
My class in WoW was always rogue until the DK hit then I always did DK or paladin. I was thinking a nightblade with the right skills wearing heavy armor and a 2h would be pretty DK-like and Templar is an obvious paladin analog.
There's just so many damn possibilities.
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You made the master race an Imperial right?
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yeah but for people like me the blatant cash grabs turn me off even looking at their game with anything except extreme skepticism
it's something they should consider
Personally it's a pet peeve of mine that most MMO's don't allow you to ride a horse until you level. Apparently, the common man cannot mount up, only a person with the skills to take down a giant has the wherewithal to wrangle a horse into submission and put a saddle on it.
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the non cynical view of this move is that if you wanted the horse but not the imp edition sized payment- you can have it. and if not.... no big, its in game. They saw a void in thier offerings and filled it. And just like the imp edition itself- if you dont want to pay you can ignore it and its the same game.
It should be noted to people the IMP Edition is vastly out selling the regs version, despite all the internet bitching.
It's not there for common sense. It's there as a carrot to dangle and a sense of progression. "I had to slog it slow style for so many levels, but now I'm excited because I'm level 20 and I can finally get places faster!" You can of course just look at it as forcing you to travel at a pain in the ass slow pace for a while to artificially lengthen the time you play the game if you're cynical.
In my day we had to beg for a Spirit of the Wolf buff from a friendly Shaman or Druid before we tried travelling anywhere. =P
And it should be noted that some of those people are doing so because we're reluctantly accepting defeat. We know how annoying it is to travel in an MMO without a horse and this game lets you have one right away if you pay more. Zenimax basically just defacto made the Imperial Edition the standard edition for anybody who doesn't want to pay a little bit less to have a worse experience in-game.
Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post about this issue any more, so now I gotta make a post about the gameplay itself.
HOWEVER, in game the tooltip is totally different. It reads as such: Single target enemy cast, for 6 seconds the target stores damage and then takes 33% of that damage again at the end of the effect.
My questions:
- Is this accurate?
- Is this ALL damage the target takes in those 6 seconds?
If it reads the way it looks like, if you can manage 100% uptime on it by re-casting every 4.5 seconds then you're basically just increasing your entire group's DPS by 33% in a group encounter, which seems utterly obscene to me.
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Oh god. They totally need to have that as this huge epic questline way out in the middle of nowhere. You run around doing all kinds of fetch quests, delving into dungeons, crafting items... and your reward is horse barding.
"Oh, wait, you said your horse was a size 6? Well shit, that won't even fit then. Well, enjoy it anyway."
Completely worthless horse barding. That you can't even show off to other players.
...unfortunately, she's a caster.
Spell casters are so boring. I'm going to try and stick with it for a weekend.
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I like it. It's much more Elder Scrolls than the previous time. I don't mind having to work to get the weapon I want to use. I'll just put a few skill points in class skills right off the bat. And I definitely have no problem with just letting you explore whatever you want first instead of just starting you off with a quest immediately.
I have no skill at that and would prefer to steal the good work of others....
Try nighblade caster, with either resto or destro stuff. Siphons are fun!
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It does actually annoy me that in MMOs mounts are a target that you aim for and save up for - no-one gives out slow ones at level 1 improves them as you level.
I'm liking the idea of being a level 3 mage on a horse.
Horse mage !
I'm in the same position.
I created a new Nord, to try out the Nord started area - lots of snowy mountains and iron helms, really feels like Skyrim.
But I don't actually want to do any question, as I want to save them for launch - and finding nice loot just seems cruel when you know it's getting wiped.
Still, I got to ride on the Imperial horse, which was fun. I think it would be quite a gold sink, if you're paying 50x250g to level it up.
Still want a sparkly pony, though.
But have you actually emailed them and let them know you're not buying the game ?
Because if you're still getting it, but grumbling about the Horsegate scandal, they're really not going to be bothered.
1. I don't like that I can't choose a weapon in Coldharbor other than a sword.
2. Holy crappin crap I wish they'd turn the phasing back on. There are mobs of people EVERYWHERE.
PSN: Beltaine-77 | Steam: beltane77 | Battle.net BadHaggis#1433
I chose to skip the start with a new character, and you appear in your village at level 3, with a few things in your backpack.
IIRC, you start with a sword, a 2H sword, a box with a bow and heave chestplate in, and some other stuff.
I think the jail might still be worth doing with new characters, unless you get another character to put some stuff in the bank for them, get them going.
Or is everyone in Vent now?
Also I got my white pony. But frankly I've been on foot a lot.
Seriously the horse isn't that fast. At all. I guess it can sprint longer than you can on foot, but you get dismounted so easily. Plus there's the fact that you have to wait for the dismount animation when using a gathering node leaving it wide open for someone without a horse to walk up and steal it.
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