Alright, just finished the Campaign of Carnage.
Basically what I'm taking away from it is that Torgue isn't as awesome as TV Tropes promised me, and the only reason I'm there to claim the vault is because it'd be easier long term to play along instead of the Raiders coming in and securing the Vault.
What is the appropriate level for Dragon's Keep anyway? I had moved on by the time it released and just picked up a PC copy of this with Kreig DLC so I was looking at doing that DLC as well now.
Anthony Burch caught fire for making Tina's speech pattern not "match" her skin color. Mostly people being a bit racist by calling Tina racist. In her DLC,
they lampshade it by Tina making all the dwarves look like Salvador. Lilith calls Tina on it, so Tina asks Salvador if it's okay, and he thinks it's awesome.
Tina also makes the fairies look like Maya, but no one comments.
So me saying "So racist" is riffing on it, and meant in jest.
Eh, like stuff like that is gonna matter in the year 2525 (if man is still alive) or whatever it is on Pandora.
Aren't we all supposed to be an evenly-mixed shade of tea by then, anyway?
(or, if you prefer, latte)
I finally picked this up and am enjoying going through the game with a buddy. I'm playing Gaige, he's playing Kreig. It works well, except for the part where he always runs in front of the Anarchy cone of death zone. So, what are people's favourite Kreig and Gaige builds? Are there any good builds that work well together?
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
So I received this during the sale and man, does the writing rely on references or what?
The base game? How so?
Like 80% of the writing?
I'm trying to understand what you mean. Could you give some examples, please?
80% of the jokes are basically "Hey, I've seen Batman/Ninja Turtles/Transformers etc." References do not count as humor, and it's pretty annoying. When he is not doing this, Burch can actually be pretty funny. But he is always doing this.
Also, I think a lot of people didn't like Tiny Tina because she is awful, rather than her "speech patterns". Yes, I saw that Chappele's Show sketch too. Repeating the funny word does not male it funnier.
Eh, like stuff like that is gonna matter in the year 2525 (if man is still alive) or whatever it is on Pandora.
Aren't we all supposed to be an evenly-mixed shade of tea by then, anyway?
(or, if you prefer, latte)
If that's the case then where did she learn to speak like that anyway? No one else on Pandora talks like that.
The answer is: because the writers thought it would be funny for a little white girl to speak that way.
Where did anyone say that her "talking black" was the problem with her? That description wasn't even used here until just then, by you.
The problem is that the way she talks, however it is defined, doesn't make any sense for an orphan growing up on a space planet out in space where no one else talks that way.
Tiny Tina's speech patterns extra don't make sense because he parents didn't speak like that, and neither did her surrogate father. Doesn't mean it isn't hilarious though.
Where did anyone say that her "talking black" was the problem with her? That description wasn't even used here until just then, by you.
The problem is that the way she talks, however it is defined, doesn't make any sense for an orphan growing up on a space planet out in space where no one else talks that way.
Because kids always talk just like the grown-ups around them.
It makes sense that an intelligent and creative mind would play around with the language and come up with new ways to say things, blending influences from a bunch of other sources (including Brick's aggressive machismo, and the psychos word spaghetti) to make something new. Obviously Burch just used existing slang as a base for that, and people bring their own baggage to her based on their opinions of that slang. Burch also got better at writing her as he went on; I think she's much sharper in both the DLC than she was in the main game.
Tiny tina makes perfect sense when you take into account the subtext of the population of Pandora; everyone who spends more then a year on the planet develops some degree of insanity.
Tiny tina makes perfect sense when you take into account the subtext of the population of Pandora; everyone who spends more then a year on the planet develops some degree of insanity.
Yeah, Pandora is a really bad/shitty place wrapped up in hilarious psychopathic insanity.
Alternately, it's a place where you have to laugh to keep from crying.
Tiny tina makes perfect sense when you take into account the subtext of the population of Pandora; everyone who spends more then a year on the planet develops some degree of insanity.
Yeah, Pandora is a really bad/shitty place wrapped up in hilarious psychopathic insanity.
Alternately, it's a place where you have to laugh to keep from crying.
In tina's case this is exacerbated by the fact that both of her parents were killed but not before her mother handed her a grenade. After that she spent who the hell knows how long running around on her own before roland found her so yeah: it's makes sense that something came lose upstairs.
So I received this during the sale and man, does the writing rely on references or what?
The base game? How so?
Like 80% of the writing?
I'm trying to understand what you mean. Could you give some examples, please?
80% of the jokes are basically "Hey, I've seen Batman/Ninja Turtles/Transformers etc." References do not count as humor, and it's pretty annoying. When he is not doing this, Burch can actually be pretty funny. But he is always doing this.
Also, I think a lot of people didn't like Tiny Tina because she is awful, rather than her "speech patterns". Yes, I saw that Chappele's Show sketch too. Repeating the funny word does not male it funnier.
Ah, gotcha. I think that's a fair point for a lot of the sidequests. I don't agree that references do not count as humor like it's some sort of law of physics. When Bob Newhart ended his second long-running show by waking up with his wife from the first one, that was a pure reference and it was incredibly funny. While I don't think any of the references in BL2 were that successful, some were pretty solid. I know I thought it was funny when the minibosses from the sidequest by the guy next to Ellie's garage...
...turned out to be three shirtless volleyball players from Top Gun.
I didn't squee when I turned out to be hunting ninja turtles, on the other hand, but it didn't annoy me that the reference was there. Different strokes I guess.
So I received this during the sale and man, does the writing rely on references or what?
The base game? How so?
Like 80% of the writing?
I'm trying to understand what you mean. Could you give some examples, please?
80% of the jokes are basically "Hey, I've seen Batman/Ninja Turtles/Transformers etc." References do not count as humor, and it's pretty annoying. When he is not doing this, Burch can actually be pretty funny. But he is always doing this.
Also, I think a lot of people didn't like Tiny Tina because she is awful, rather than her "speech patterns". Yes, I saw that Chappele's Show sketch too. Repeating the funny word does not male it funnier.
Ah, gotcha. I think that's a fair point for a lot of the sidequests. I don't agree that references do not count as humor like it's some sort of law of physics. When Bob Newhart ended his second long-running show by waking up with his wife from the first one, that was a pure reference and it was incredibly funny. While I don't think any of the references in BL2 were that successful, some were pretty solid. I know I thought it was funny when the minibosses from the sidequest by the guy next to Ellie's garage...
...turned out to be three shirtless volleyball players from Top Gun.
I didn't squee when I turned out to be hunting ninja turtles, on the other hand, but it didn't annoy me that the reference was there. Different strokes I guess.
It can be used extremely effectively, but what I meant is that a reference by itself is not a joke. What Bob Newhart did was a constructed joke. Having the Top Gun guy was actually kinda amusing, but a lot if the writing is to me what other people complain that Family Guy is. I guess I should have said it's less annoying, and more not particularly funny. Now, there are some funny bits, but there are a lot of bits that just aren't. There are a lot of bits that could have been a lot funnier.
I'd argue shirtless dudes playing volleyball with psycho heads is pretty funny in its own right. I had no idea it was a reference until now. I may have liked it better that way.
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NocrenLt Futz, Back in ActionNorth CarolinaRegistered Userregular
No idea it was a reference?
Were the quest names and Loggins' (quest giver, and another reference) text too subtle?
That quest was funny even not having seen Top Gun.
Also, there's a new Pre-Sequel trailer that goes over some of the new mechanics in the game. Apparently Wilhelm's action skill is a drone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hn-RZcjRSU
It can be used extremely effectively, but what I meant is that a reference by itself is not a joke. What Bob Newhart did was a constructed joke. Having the Top Gun guy was actually kinda amusing, but a lot if the writing is to me what other people complain that Family Guy is. I guess I should have said it's less annoying, and more not particularly funny. Now, there are some funny bits, but there are a lot of bits that just aren't. There are a lot of bits that could have been a lot funnier.
Yeah, I definitely agree that there were times when the game was trying too hard and the result was polite-chuckle-at-boss'-joke rather than genuine smile or outright laugh funny. The Family Guy analogy is a good one for the strained bits. Sounds like we don't agree what percentage of the game that was, which is totally fine.
All that said, I think it's fair to point out that there is not a high bar in this genre (FPS or even videogames at large) for writing. I think the game succeeds wildly at writing for a videogame. If anything, that we are finding it lacking at times in the broader writing or humor categories that also include TV, comics, movies, etc. is a testament to the game's ambition in this area and mixed success at some level.
EDIT: Is that a different Handsome Jack voice in Arteen's trailer?
It can be used extremely effectively, but what I meant is that a reference by itself is not a joke. What Bob Newhart did was a constructed joke. Having the Top Gun guy was actually kinda amusing, but a lot if the writing is to me what other people complain that Family Guy is. I guess I should have said it's less annoying, and more not particularly funny. Now, there are some funny bits, but there are a lot of bits that just aren't. There are a lot of bits that could have been a lot funnier.
Yeah, I definitely agree that there were times when the game was trying too hard and the result was polite-chuckle-at-boss'-joke rather than genuine smile or outright laugh funny. The Family Guy analogy is a good one for the strained bits. Sounds like we don't agree what percentage of the game that was, which is totally fine.
All that said, I think it's fair to point out that there is not a high bar in this genre (FPS or even videogames at large) for writing. I think the game succeeds wildly at writing for a videogame. If anything, that we are finding it lacking at times in the broader writing or humor categories that also include TV, comics, movies, etc. is a testament to the game's ambition in this area and mixed success at some level.
EDIT: Is that a different Handsome Jack voice in Arteen's trailer?
Many (most?) games put so little thought and effort into their writing that it doesn't even warrant consideration or critique. It's just there. Not really worth thinking about. It's like how fans tend to be quite critical of Bioware's writing when they slip up, even though Bioware is doing things that nobody else is even attempting. Borderlands' writing is certainly not perfect, and the problems with it are fair game, but it does many things so darn well that I think it deserves some praise for that.
I cut it additional slack because the writer himself seems to be very aware of where he did and did not succeed, and hopefully he continue to get better going forward. I haven't been paying much attention, is the same guy writing this new game?
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Basically what I'm taking away from it is that Torgue isn't as awesome as TV Tropes promised me, and the only reason I'm there to claim the vault is because it'd be easier long term to play along instead of the Raiders coming in and securing the Vault.
3DS: 1607-3034-6970
The base game? How so?
Steam profile.
Getting started with BATTLETECH: Part 1 / Part 2
it controls so wierd but I love it anyway
Like 80% of the writing?
this DLC is so cooooool
Tina also makes the fairies look like Maya, but no one comments.
So me saying "So racist" is riffing on it, and meant in jest.
Aren't we all supposed to be an evenly-mixed shade of tea by then, anyway?
(or, if you prefer, latte)
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
I'm trying to understand what you mean. Could you give some examples, please?
Steam profile.
Getting started with BATTLETECH: Part 1 / Part 2
80% of the jokes are basically "Hey, I've seen Batman/Ninja Turtles/Transformers etc." References do not count as humor, and it's pretty annoying. When he is not doing this, Burch can actually be pretty funny. But he is always doing this.
Also, I think a lot of people didn't like Tiny Tina because she is awful, rather than her "speech patterns". Yes, I saw that Chappele's Show sketch too. Repeating the funny word does not male it funnier.
If that's the case then where did she learn to speak like that anyway? No one else on Pandora talks like that.
The answer is: because the writers thought it would be funny for a little white girl to speak that way.
Tiny Tina does, however, speak urban, which is completely different from both "ebonics" and AAVE.
3DS: 1607-3034-6970
The problem is that the way she talks, however it is defined, doesn't make any sense for an orphan growing up on a space planet out in space where no one else talks that way.
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
Because kids always talk just like the grown-ups around them.
It makes sense that an intelligent and creative mind would play around with the language and come up with new ways to say things, blending influences from a bunch of other sources (including Brick's aggressive machismo, and the psychos word spaghetti) to make something new. Obviously Burch just used existing slang as a base for that, and people bring their own baggage to her based on their opinions of that slang. Burch also got better at writing her as he went on; I think she's much sharper in both the DLC than she was in the main game.
Alternately, it's a place where you have to laugh to keep from crying.
Ah, gotcha. I think that's a fair point for a lot of the sidequests. I don't agree that references do not count as humor like it's some sort of law of physics. When Bob Newhart ended his second long-running show by waking up with his wife from the first one, that was a pure reference and it was incredibly funny. While I don't think any of the references in BL2 were that successful, some were pretty solid. I know I thought it was funny when the minibosses from the sidequest by the guy next to Ellie's garage...
I didn't squee when I turned out to be hunting ninja turtles, on the other hand, but it didn't annoy me that the reference was there. Different strokes I guess.
Steam profile.
Getting started with BATTLETECH: Part 1 / Part 2
alright, the conversation went like this
"Okay, we're going to go up to this buzzer and you're going to hit it. Turn your volume down. Or brace for a loud noise."
Huh? Oh. Okay.
BZZZZZZZZZZZT
...
God that was loud.
"I TOLD YOU."
It can be used extremely effectively, but what I meant is that a reference by itself is not a joke. What Bob Newhart did was a constructed joke. Having the Top Gun guy was actually kinda amusing, but a lot if the writing is to me what other people complain that Family Guy is. I guess I should have said it's less annoying, and more not particularly funny. Now, there are some funny bits, but there are a lot of bits that just aren't. There are a lot of bits that could have been a lot funnier.
Were the quest names and Loggins' (quest giver, and another reference) text too subtle?
i legit failed a pretty important math quiz right after playing that part
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Also, there's a new Pre-Sequel trailer that goes over some of the new mechanics in the game. Apparently Wilhelm's action skill is a drone.
Yeah, I definitely agree that there were times when the game was trying too hard and the result was polite-chuckle-at-boss'-joke rather than genuine smile or outright laugh funny. The Family Guy analogy is a good one for the strained bits. Sounds like we don't agree what percentage of the game that was, which is totally fine.
All that said, I think it's fair to point out that there is not a high bar in this genre (FPS or even videogames at large) for writing. I think the game succeeds wildly at writing for a videogame. If anything, that we are finding it lacking at times in the broader writing or humor categories that also include TV, comics, movies, etc. is a testament to the game's ambition in this area and mixed success at some level.
EDIT: Is that a different Handsome Jack voice in Arteen's trailer?
Steam profile.
Getting started with BATTLETECH: Part 1 / Part 2
Many (most?) games put so little thought and effort into their writing that it doesn't even warrant consideration or critique. It's just there. Not really worth thinking about. It's like how fans tend to be quite critical of Bioware's writing when they slip up, even though Bioware is doing things that nobody else is even attempting. Borderlands' writing is certainly not perfect, and the problems with it are fair game, but it does many things so darn well that I think it deserves some praise for that.
I cut it additional slack because the writer himself seems to be very aware of where he did and did not succeed, and hopefully he continue to get better going forward. I haven't been paying much attention, is the same guy writing this new game?
Unrelated, but good god Gaige is annoying.