For those who can't see the embed, after the FCC did its thing yesterday Comcast immediately removed lines from its Net Neutrality page. Basically everything that describes what Net Neutrality is. Their PR department put out a statement that I haven't bothered to look up because the fact of the matter is Comcast lobbied for this shit.
On the bright side, the value of my old CD and DVD collection is looking to increase. I doubt the glorious digital only future is going to fare well in the face of unbridled greed from America’s cable companies.
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On the bright side, the value of my old CD and DVD collection is looking to increase. I doubt the glorious digital only future is going to fare well in the face of unbridled greed from America’s cable companies.
Yeah, I've not been too trusting of the whole digital only thing for a while.
On the bright side, the value of my old CD and DVD collection is looking to increase. I doubt the glorious digital only future is going to fare well in the face of unbridled greed from America’s cable companies.
Yeah, I've not been too trusting of the whole digital only thing for a while.
I eagerly await the daily Penny Arcade Forums telegraph digest.
Can states make their own ISPs? Instead of being bound to the private companies to do their terrible work? Like, I know some cities have their own. Can a state lay its own fiber optic network and connect everyone to the internet that way? That way they can make and follow their own net neutrality rules?
It's important to point out that a lot of the cable laid is laid under either direct contract by the states and by the federal government or in exchange for tax breaks.
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On the bright side, the value of my old CD and DVD collection is looking to increase. I doubt the glorious digital only future is going to fare well in the face of unbridled greed from America’s cable companies.
Yeah, I've not been too trusting of the whole digital only thing for a while.
I eagerly await the daily Penny Arcade Forums telegraph digest.
Dear Gabe & Tycho STOP
You are very great. 100,000 pesos. Come to Santa Poco put on show, STOP
The In-famous El Guapo.
On the bright side, the value of my old CD and DVD collection is looking to increase. I doubt the glorious digital only future is going to fare well in the face of unbridled greed from America’s cable companies.
Yeah, I've not been too trusting of the whole digital only thing for a while.
I eagerly await the daily Penny Arcade Forums telegraph digest.
Dear Gabe & Tycho STOP
You are very great. 100,000 pesos. Come to Santa Poco put on show, STOP
The In-famous El Guapo.
But seriously, this needs to be an issue, and while I am pointedly *not* calling for accelerationism, any bullshit the ISPs pull will just make it that much easier to point at and say "that fuckmuppetry is why we need to be in power, to get things back to sanity, rather than your $5 Netflix SuperPack surcharge".
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
But seriously, this needs to be an issue, and while I am pointedly *not* calling for accelerationism, any bullshit the ISPs pull will just make it that much easier to point at and say "that fuckmuppetry is why we need to be in power, to get things back to sanity, rather than your $5 Netflix SuperPack surcharge".
they wont do anything for at least 6 months to let the shit die down if they have a modicum of intelligence anywhere.
then it'll be a slow ramp up over like the next year afterwards.
But seriously, this needs to be an issue, and while I am pointedly *not* calling for accelerationism, any bullshit the ISPs pull will just make it that much easier to point at and say "that fuckmuppetry is why we need to be in power, to get things back to sanity, rather than your $5 Netflix SuperPack surcharge".
they wont do anything for at least 6 months to let the shit die down if they have a modicum of intelligence anywhere.
then it'll be a slow ramp up over like the next year afterwards.
I said earlier that I expect they will go after the 'provider' side first, to let themselves get the profits and make the additional costs you'll start to see confusing. For example, if they go bill google then what will google do? Put on more commercials or something. Will you really notice immediately other than its a bit more shitty?
Yeah, it's not going to be the case where tomorrow Comcast will announce that access to google will cost an extra $5/search.
It's going to be like what Telus did in Vancouver recently that basically ended with my internet bill being $15/mo extra for what I was already getting, by making tiny incremental changes right up until the big one.
In fact, if the telecoms are smart about it, they'll basically do the following:
Step 1: Exclude certain sites from data caps while low-key extorting the companies themselves. Customers rejoice! This is what they tried to tell you they wanted to do! It's just better for you!
Step 2: Begin adding/lowering data caps, but don't actually enforce them. Just send an email or have a monitoring that says "Hey you've used 20GB of non-facebook data!"
Step 3: Slash prices across the board, but add "fast-lane" packages, that include the sites that they also happen to be extorting on the back end. ALSO lower data caps some more, but hey, the fast-lane sites are unlimited, and we don't care if you go over still! Again, this is just what they said was the point of getting rid of net neutrality! Geez you people who panicked!
Now about 6-9 months have passed at this point, maybe more. All the fears are going away, people are starting to understand the new way the internet works.
Wait another 3 months or so, continue extorting companies, because, well, why not. Get people really good and used to their new packages with fast-lanes and low data caps, get them locked into multi-year contracts, that sort of thing.
Step 4: Start enforcing data caps. You go over your 100GB/mo of internet? Well, you can upgrade your package, which includes more data, or you can pay an extra $25/mo for no data cap(putting you exactly where you were a year ago except with $25/month tacked on to your bill for no reason). AND/OR just get the $10/mo fast lane unlimited packages that you use! Of course, these packages will coincidentally not overlap in great ways. Maybe there's "Internet essentials" with facebook, twitter, google, email. Then there's "Socialite" with instagram, twitter, snapchat. Then maybe "Internet personalities" with Youtube, Twitch. Oh that's different than "Movies and TV" with Netflix and Hulu.
So a year after NN repeal, you're now paying like $25-50/month extra on exactly what you were getting before except maybe instead of incremental increases in speed with technology, now you're only getting those speed increases on the stuff you're paying for. But it was improvements, or at the very least bad stuff that nobody really cares about. It was getting better right until suddenly it collapsed, but by that point everyone's in too deep to care that much.
Just curious here. How much money does Google have on hand? Compared to Comcast, say. How could Google indirectly or even directly screw with Comcast if they decided to? Like hostile takeover attempt that costs a ton of money for Comcast to defend against as making a point to not screw with Google?
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Telecoms aren't smart though, they are greedy. They are already in a monopoly. They didn't spend all this lobbying money to sit around and not take advantage. The shareholders wouldn't like that. See that Comcast post above.
Just curious here. How much money does Google have on hand? Compared to Comcast, say. How could Google indirectly or even directly screw with Comcast if they decided to? Like hostile takeover attempt that costs a ton of money for Comcast to defend against as making a point to not screw with Google?
doesn't matter because google loves this.
google was already fairly locked in, but a relatively small fee for making them more or less immune to start up competition for all time? that's value.
But seriously, this needs to be an issue, and while I am pointedly *not* calling for accelerationism, any bullshit the ISPs pull will just make it that much easier to point at and say "that fuckmuppetry is why we need to be in power, to get things back to sanity, rather than your $5 Netflix SuperPack surcharge".
they wont do anything for at least 6 months to let the shit die down if they have a modicum of intelligence anywhere.
then it'll be a slow ramp up over like the next year afterwards.
See: microtransactions in gaming and how that was ramped up over a decade.
But seriously, this needs to be an issue, and while I am pointedly *not* calling for accelerationism, any bullshit the ISPs pull will just make it that much easier to point at and say "that fuckmuppetry is why we need to be in power, to get things back to sanity, rather than your $5 Netflix SuperPack surcharge".
they wont do anything for at least 6 months to let the shit die down if they have a modicum of intelligence anywhere.
then it'll be a slow ramp up over like the next year afterwards.
See: microtransactions in gaming and how that was ramped up over a decade.
I saw this elsewhere. It's apparently one of Slovenia's ISP's "non-net-neutrality" packages.
Just curious here. How much money does Google have on hand? Compared to Comcast, say. How could Google indirectly or even directly screw with Comcast if they decided to? Like hostile takeover attempt that costs a ton of money for Comcast to defend against as making a point to not screw with Google?
Comcast's terrestrial business is an albatross for a company like Google. Google Fiber is odd enough on its own, through it you balloon the size of the company and incur massive and ongoing infrastructural costs.
Obviously somebody's got to lay the lines, but Silicon Valley is going to stay well away from that.
Just curious here. How much money does Google have on hand? Compared to Comcast, say. How could Google indirectly or even directly screw with Comcast if they decided to? Like hostile takeover attempt that costs a ton of money for Comcast to defend against as making a point to not screw with Google?
doesn't matter because google loves this.
google was already fairly locked in, but a relatively small fee for making them more or less immune to start up competition for all time? that's value.
do no evil was always a lie.
Ehhhhh, kinda, sorta, maybe?
The bolded I have no trouble believing, but I'm not sure Google's gonna "love" this. Google displays a user's search-results, user clicks a result, said result/site doesn't work the way user wants, user says "well clearly Google gave me a shitty result!"
It ignores the fact the net neutrality rules were put in place because providers started selectively throttling websites. They were put in place as a reaction to something that was being done.
Also, the fact that a US Sentaor (even if it is Ted Cruz, a man hated by his own party) is using the word "snowflake" makes me weep for the level of discourse in this country.
It ignores the fact the net neutrality rules were put in place because providers started selectively throttling websites. They were put in place as a reaction to something that was being done.
Also, the fact that a US Sentaor (even if it is Ted Cruz, a man hated by his own party) is using the word "snowflake" makes me weep for the level of discourse in this country.
Where can I read more about this?
There's probably more examples than this, but it's the one I remembered off the top of my head.
It ignores the fact the net neutrality rules were put in place because providers started selectively throttling websites. They were put in place as a reaction to something that was being done.
Also, the fact that a US Sentaor (even if it is Ted Cruz, a man hated by his own party) is using the word "snowflake" makes me weep for the level of discourse in this country.
Where can I read more about this?
There's probably more examples than this, but it's the one I remembered off the top of my head.
Just curious here. How much money does Google have on hand? Compared to Comcast, say. How could Google indirectly or even directly screw with Comcast if they decided to? Like hostile takeover attempt that costs a ton of money for Comcast to defend against as making a point to not screw with Google?
Comcast's terrestrial business is an albatross for a company like Google. Google Fiber is odd enough on its own, through it you balloon the size of the company and incur massive and ongoing infrastructural costs.
Obviously somebody's got to lay the lines, but Silicon Valley is going to stay well away from that.
Google actually owns a ton of fiber links, but yeah running last-mile stuff is way beyond their wheelhouse
Apparently Pai didn't license his use of Harlem Shake from Baauer for his Net Neutrality video. And since the video may count more as an ad than a parody, Baauer is fully intending to bring the legal hammer on him.
And for this weekend's events, we have Mark Hamill tearing into Ajit Pai, Ted Cruz attempting to insult Hamill's intelligence with a Star Wars analogy, and then Mark Hamill calling out Ted Cruz
38thDoelets never be stupid againwait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered Userregular
I can't figure out what analogy Ted Cruz is even trying to make. Vader is giant corps or Vader is the FCC? The previous FCC chair would make the most sense for Vader as far as establishing net neutrality, but I'm lost.
I can't figure out what analogy Ted Cruz is even trying to make. Vader is giant corps or Vader is the FCC? The previous FCC chair would make the most sense for Vader as far as establishing net neutrality, but I'm lost.
Vader is part of a government, and therefore evil. Net neutrality prevents corporations from doing whatever they want, and therefore evil. No need to think any further than that for Ted Cruz.
I can't figure out what analogy Ted Cruz is even trying to make. Vader is giant corps or Vader is the FCC? The previous FCC chair would make the most sense for Vader as far as establishing net neutrality, but I'm lost.
That Palpatine used the greed of the Trade Federation to manipulate them into invading Naboo and turn the Galactic Republic into the Sith-ruled Galactic Empire, I assume.
I'm pretty sure the Jedi didn't have any corporate sponsors.
I can't figure out what analogy Ted Cruz is even trying to make. Vader is giant corps or Vader is the FCC? The previous FCC chair would make the most sense for Vader as far as establishing net neutrality, but I'm lost.
Something something, big government is evil, something something
I can't figure out what analogy Ted Cruz is even trying to make. Vader is giant corps or Vader is the FCC? The previous FCC chair would make the most sense for Vader as far as establishing net neutrality, but I'm lost.
Something something, big government is evil, something something
Something something Ted Cruz is a dumbass something something
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Ted Cruz is dumb and bad at metaphors. I don't think there's more to it than that.
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Someone should tell him that Darth Vader and the Internet are two separate things, and Star Wars is a movie and not real life. I can't wrap my head around what he's trying to say.
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Someone should tell him that Darth Vader and the Internet are two separate things, and Star Wars is a movie and not real life. I can't wrap my head around what he's trying to say.
Darth Vader is big government and Net Neutrality is a power grab by government to rule over the people and that's why big corporations supported it, so Net Neutrality had to go so that.... big corporations... could be more free...
Ted Cruz is dumb and bad at metaphors. I don't think there's more to it than that.
I just don't understand why he is even getting involved publicly. It's hugely unpopular and he doesn't have to actually do anything to get rid of it. Just sit back, relax, and watch Pai take the hit.
He's taking a political hit for no reason. Is he just afraid that Pai is stealing his reputation as biggest asshole in Washington.
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For those who can't see the embed, after the FCC did its thing yesterday Comcast immediately removed lines from its Net Neutrality page. Basically everything that describes what Net Neutrality is. Their PR department put out a statement that I haven't bothered to look up because the fact of the matter is Comcast lobbied for this shit.
Yeah, I've not been too trusting of the whole digital only thing for a while.
I eagerly await the daily Penny Arcade Forums telegraph digest.
It's important to point out that a lot of the cable laid is laid under either direct contract by the states and by the federal government or in exchange for tax breaks.
Dear Gabe & Tycho STOP
You are very great. 100,000 pesos. Come to Santa Poco put on show, STOP
The In-famous El Guapo.
Awesome stop
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But seriously, this needs to be an issue, and while I am pointedly *not* calling for accelerationism, any bullshit the ISPs pull will just make it that much easier to point at and say "that fuckmuppetry is why we need to be in power, to get things back to sanity, rather than your $5 Netflix SuperPack surcharge".
they wont do anything for at least 6 months to let the shit die down if they have a modicum of intelligence anywhere.
then it'll be a slow ramp up over like the next year afterwards.
I said earlier that I expect they will go after the 'provider' side first, to let themselves get the profits and make the additional costs you'll start to see confusing. For example, if they go bill google then what will google do? Put on more commercials or something. Will you really notice immediately other than its a bit more shitty?
It's going to be like what Telus did in Vancouver recently that basically ended with my internet bill being $15/mo extra for what I was already getting, by making tiny incremental changes right up until the big one.
In fact, if the telecoms are smart about it, they'll basically do the following:
Step 1: Exclude certain sites from data caps while low-key extorting the companies themselves. Customers rejoice! This is what they tried to tell you they wanted to do! It's just better for you!
Step 2: Begin adding/lowering data caps, but don't actually enforce them. Just send an email or have a monitoring that says "Hey you've used 20GB of non-facebook data!"
Step 3: Slash prices across the board, but add "fast-lane" packages, that include the sites that they also happen to be extorting on the back end. ALSO lower data caps some more, but hey, the fast-lane sites are unlimited, and we don't care if you go over still! Again, this is just what they said was the point of getting rid of net neutrality! Geez you people who panicked!
Now about 6-9 months have passed at this point, maybe more. All the fears are going away, people are starting to understand the new way the internet works.
Wait another 3 months or so, continue extorting companies, because, well, why not. Get people really good and used to their new packages with fast-lanes and low data caps, get them locked into multi-year contracts, that sort of thing.
Step 4: Start enforcing data caps. You go over your 100GB/mo of internet? Well, you can upgrade your package, which includes more data, or you can pay an extra $25/mo for no data cap(putting you exactly where you were a year ago except with $25/month tacked on to your bill for no reason). AND/OR just get the $10/mo fast lane unlimited packages that you use! Of course, these packages will coincidentally not overlap in great ways. Maybe there's "Internet essentials" with facebook, twitter, google, email. Then there's "Socialite" with instagram, twitter, snapchat. Then maybe "Internet personalities" with Youtube, Twitch. Oh that's different than "Movies and TV" with Netflix and Hulu.
So a year after NN repeal, you're now paying like $25-50/month extra on exactly what you were getting before except maybe instead of incremental increases in speed with technology, now you're only getting those speed increases on the stuff you're paying for. But it was improvements, or at the very least bad stuff that nobody really cares about. It was getting better right until suddenly it collapsed, but by that point everyone's in too deep to care that much.
doesn't matter because google loves this.
google was already fairly locked in, but a relatively small fee for making them more or less immune to start up competition for all time? that's value.
do no evil was always a lie.
See: microtransactions in gaming and how that was ramped up over a decade.
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It's pretty f'n egregious. And as you said, it'll start out small, and build up.
Comcast's terrestrial business is an albatross for a company like Google. Google Fiber is odd enough on its own, through it you balloon the size of the company and incur massive and ongoing infrastructural costs.
Obviously somebody's got to lay the lines, but Silicon Valley is going to stay well away from that.
Ehhhhh, kinda, sorta, maybe?
The bolded I have no trouble believing, but I'm not sure Google's gonna "love" this. Google displays a user's search-results, user clicks a result, said result/site doesn't work the way user wants, user says "well clearly Google gave me a shitty result!"
Where can I read more about this?
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There's probably more examples than this, but it's the one I remembered off the top of my head.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/netflix-performance-on-verizon-and-comcast-has-been-dropping-for-months/
Also https://www.cultofmac.com/210634/att-gives-facetime-over-cellular-back-to-everyone-except-those-with-grandfathered-unlimited-data/
Google actually owns a ton of fiber links, but yeah running last-mile stuff is way beyond their wheelhouse
Any place you go to that offers free WiFi can get insanely jacked up by the partitioning of the internet.
Oh, so... uh, followup events about this one.
Apparently Pai didn't license his use of Harlem Shake from Baauer for his Net Neutrality video. And since the video may count more as an ad than a parody, Baauer is fully intending to bring the legal hammer on him.
Today was a day.
That Palpatine used the greed of the Trade Federation to manipulate them into invading Naboo and turn the Galactic Republic into the Sith-ruled Galactic Empire, I assume.
I'm pretty sure the Jedi didn't have any corporate sponsors.
Something something, big government is evil, something something
Alphabet (Google): $167B in total assets
Netflix: $14B
Facebook: $65B
Verizon: $244B
AT&T: $403B
Comcast: $181B
Something something Ted Cruz is a dumbass something something
Didn't he fuck up green eggs n ham during the ACA?
Darth Vader is big government and Net Neutrality is a power grab by government to rule over the people and that's why big corporations supported it, so Net Neutrality had to go so that.... big corporations... could be more free...
I just don't understand why he is even getting involved publicly. It's hugely unpopular and he doesn't have to actually do anything to get rid of it. Just sit back, relax, and watch Pai take the hit.
He's taking a political hit for no reason. Is he just afraid that Pai is stealing his reputation as biggest asshole in Washington.