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Wonder what Season 2 would've been if it had focused on Frank and Ray as the 2 main characters, with Paul and Ani more in the role of the New Detectives in Season 1. Would there have even been enough meat on the mystery bones without the character stuff?
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Wonder what Season 2 would've been if it had focused on Frank and Ray as the 2 main characters, with Paul and Ani more in the role of the New Detectives in Season 1. Would there have even been enough meat on the mystery bones without the character stuff?
i think the character stuff kind of diluted the story in s2, especially with woodrugh
he had, what, four? five? different backstories that directly affected his story
it was just too much going on. fewer characters or tighter stories would have been so much better
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There is no doubt that 1 is better than 2.
I just think 2 was unfairly treated because it was called the same thing season 1 was called.
If it was called Nevermind or p much anything else people probably would have enjoyed it a lot more / been less critical of it.
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I disagree that season 2 was bordering on great. I'd call it decent TV at best. I still enjoyed it, but it wasn't particularly good. I think Rotten Tomatoes has both seasons pretty much where they belong. Season 1 is 85% critics and 97% audience, with a few critics who no doubt were butthurt that there was no actual Cthulu committing crimes, and season 2 has 65% critics and audience, and I think that's right where it probably deserves to be.
I don't need every TV season I watch to be amazing. I watch a lot of shows that are worse TV than TD season 2 was. It entertained me and I found it compelling enough to keep watching, despite its issues, which were definitely present. There's a thing where some people think calling something average means they're calling it complete shit, which just isn't the case.
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So im done and its better.
Maggie is a jackass as much as marty.
So in the end they get errol- but they leave the cops to hunt the other folks in the video?
Again- i like season 2 but that was better if for no other reason than focus.
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Nobody else was probably ever going down for S1's crimes. Senator/(maybe Governor when the season ends?) Tuttle(Billy Lee's brother) gets away with his part in it, really all the Tuttles get away with their part in it. Only Errol Childress and his cronies like Ledeux really went down for what they did. But really, I think season 1 was more about Errol keeping the family tradition alive when nobody else was, so it was never really about catching everybody on that tape. It's kind of a bummer that people aren't necessarily going to know about what the school did, and everything that went down, but that's part of the story. They did what they could do, but they couldn't get all of the bad guys.
I definitely agree that season 2 suffered for lack of tight focus. Pizzolatto originally set out to tell another similar story I think, but as he was writing it he realized he wanted to have too many characters to really do that. So instead season 2 had to transition to being more about the main characters than the story behind them. Unfortunately, I think even then he didn't manage to really make us all invested in the 4 main characters enough to carry the season just on their backs. Ray and Frank, sure. But Antigone, while interesting, simply never developed to the same level as those two IMO, and Paul definitely didn't. There just wasn't enough screen time, and what was there not all of the actors ate up the way more skilled actors do.
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Wonder what Season 2 would've been if it had focused on Frank and Ray as the 2 main characters, with Paul and Ani more in the role of the New Detectives in Season 1. Would there have even been enough meat on the mystery bones without the character stuff?
i think the character stuff kind of diluted the story in s2, especially with woodrugh
he had, what, four? five? different backstories that directly affected his story
it was just too much going on. fewer characters or tighter stories would have been so much better
IMO Woodrugh's character brought nothing interesting to the show. And in a show with four leads dividing the screen, and a background plot bordering on labyrinthine, that's pretty bad.
Nobody else was probably ever going down for S1's crimes. Senator/(maybe Governor when the season ends?) Tuttle(Billy Lee's brother) gets away with his part in it, really all the Tuttles get away with their part in it. Only Errol Childress and his cronies like Ledeux really went down for what they did. But really, I think season 1 was more about Errol keeping the family tradition alive when nobody else was, so it was never really about catching everybody on that tape. It's kind of a bummer that people aren't necessarily going to know about what the school did, and everything that went down, but that's part of the story. They did what they could do, but they couldn't get all of the bad guys.
I definitely agree that season 2 suffered for lack of tight focus. Pizzolatto originally set out to tell another similar story I think, but as he was writing it he realized he wanted to have too many characters to really do that. So instead season 2 had to transition to being more about the main characters than the story behind them. Unfortunately, I think even then he didn't manage to really make us all invested in the 4 main characters enough to carry the season just on their backs. Ray and Frank, sure. But Antigone, while interesting, simply never developed to the same level as those two IMO, and Paul definitely didn't. There just wasn't enough screen time, and what was there not all of the actors ate up the way more skilled actors do.
That's probably the series pattern. The wealthy criminals all got it away with what they did in season 2, minus the guy Ani stabbed.
I think they had plenty of episode to develop the story and characters, but just didn't until the last few episodes.
Woodrough didn't need to be in the story. His arc added nothing. Frank and Ani should have been the focus on the police side and their relationship should have been developed earlier instead of feeling tacked on at the end. Ray was also great. Frank and Ani as the legitimate detectives with Frank and Ray as the illegitimate detectives.
I enjoyed it a lot as it is. And I liked the ending more than most apparently. It just didn't have the same umph as the first season.
I liked the Woodrough stuff, but if one was looking to cut out one of the 4 leads in order to make the story more focused then he is clearly the odd man out. A lot of his stuff kind of takes place in its own world and the pay off (being blackmailed and led into a trap) could have been done with something like half the baggage that he had.
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2 leads was great. 3 might have been doable. 4 was too much.
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I liked the Woodrough stuff, but if one was looking to cut out one of the 4 leads in order to make the story more focused then he is clearly the odd man out. A lot of his stuff kind of takes place in its own world and the pay off (being blackmailed and led into a trap) could have been done with something like half the baggage that he had.
I feel like many of his character traits / story beats could have been rolled into Ani's character. That said I thought Taylor Kitsch did a good job, but as many have said the show was too short.
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Really, really disappointed with this. As a cop drama it was too full of itself and as Spooky Mystery Adventures it failed to have a single spooky mystery. I heard that the director from first season left and if so they should bring him back.
Really, really disappointed with this. As a cop drama it was too full of itself and as Spooky Mystery Adventures it failed to have a single spooky mystery. I heard that the director from first season left and if so they should bring him back.
Not going to happen. Apparently he had a huge conflict with Pizzolatto, that bridge is burnt to the ground.
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Really, really disappointed with this. As a cop drama it was too full of itself and as Spooky Mystery Adventures it failed to have a single spooky mystery. I heard that the director from first season left and if so they should bring him back.
Not going to happen. Apparently he had a huge conflict with Pizzolatto, that bridge is burnt to the ground.
That's horrible news.
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So, season 3 starts next week apparently. My cable provider has ep 1 marked as a repeat, either by accident or maybe I missed the first showing. Going to give it a go. Anyone else?
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So, season 3 starts next week apparently. My cable provider has ep 1 marked as a repeat, either by accident or maybe I missed the first showing. Going to give it a go. Anyone else?
Season 2 lacked creepy Mythos stuff. I'll wait to hear if Season 3 contains any creepy Mythos stuff. I only really watched Season 1 for creepy Mythos stuff.
Nobody else was probably ever going down for S1's crimes. Senator/(maybe Governor when the season ends?) Tuttle(Billy Lee's brother) gets away with his part in it, really all the Tuttles get away with their part in it. Only Errol Childress and his cronies like Ledeux really went down for what they did. But really, I think season 1 was more about Errol keeping the family tradition alive when nobody else was, so it was never really about catching everybody on that tape. It's kind of a bummer that people aren't necessarily going to know about what the school did, and everything that went down, but that's part of the story. They did what they could do, but they couldn't get all of the bad guys.
I definitely agree that season 2 suffered for lack of tight focus. Pizzolatto originally set out to tell another similar story I think, but as he was writing it he realized he wanted to have too many characters to really do that. So instead season 2 had to transition to being more about the main characters than the story behind them. Unfortunately, I think even then he didn't manage to really make us all invested in the 4 main characters enough to carry the season just on their backs. Ray and Frank, sure. But Antigone, while interesting, simply never developed to the same level as those two IMO, and Paul definitely didn't. There just wasn't enough screen time, and what was there not all of the actors ate up the way more skilled actors do.
That's probably the series pattern. The wealthy criminals all got it away with what they did in season 2, minus the guy Ani stabbed.
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All the russians involved with the land grab get killed in the house ambush. the players left on the field were the dirty cop, the mayor's son, and the real estate developer who handled all the paperwork.
Something that still bothers me, how did the cartel members track down frank? Did the eastern europeans rat him out?
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I completely forgot about True Detective after Season 2.
So, season 3 starts next week apparently. My cable provider has ep 1 marked as a repeat, either by accident or maybe I missed the first showing. Going to give it a go. Anyone else?
I think S1's character writing and acting didn't have to be as good as it was for it to have worked because the "is it supernatural or are Rust and the killer just crazy?" angle was really interesting on its own. S2 suffered by losing both that hook and the really gripping characters who could have carried S1 even without the supernatural angle.
Given that writing and acting that good is pretty hard to pull off I'd rather have the weird stuff there to help carry it than rely on pulling off something that doesn't happen that often on TV.
Season 1 was so good...and like someone else said the location/setting was the main character. It really resonated with me as well because I went to high school very close to where it was set. They nailed the "feeling" of that region...I immediately had the same sinking feeling in my gut when I first moved there. Rust had some great sayings about that area:
"This place is like somebody's memory of a town, and the memory is fading. It's like there was never anything here but jungle."
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i think the character stuff kind of diluted the story in s2, especially with woodrugh
he had, what, four? five? different backstories that directly affected his story
it was just too much going on. fewer characters or tighter stories would have been so much better
I just think 2 was unfairly treated because it was called the same thing season 1 was called.
If it was called Nevermind or p much anything else people probably would have enjoyed it a lot more / been less critical of it.
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this is probably true to some extent, but the show was still a mess. it would just be compared unfavourably to the Wire, the Shield, etc. instead
I mean, yeah.
But if shows have to be as good or better than The Wire to be enjoyable/watchable... there would not be much to watch.
I would say this season was good bordering on great, with some major issues of focus keeping it from reaching that mark.
Season one was just flat-out great. No qualifiers.
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i'm aware of the shadow s1 casts over s2
but that doesn't make s2 as good of a season, simply with unfair criticism
But then it would be compared unfavorably to nirvana's nevermind
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I don't need every TV season I watch to be amazing. I watch a lot of shows that are worse TV than TD season 2 was. It entertained me and I found it compelling enough to keep watching, despite its issues, which were definitely present. There's a thing where some people think calling something average means they're calling it complete shit, which just isn't the case.
Maggie is a jackass as much as marty.
So in the end they get errol- but they leave the cops to hunt the other folks in the video?
Again- i like season 2 but that was better if for no other reason than focus.
I definitely agree that season 2 suffered for lack of tight focus. Pizzolatto originally set out to tell another similar story I think, but as he was writing it he realized he wanted to have too many characters to really do that. So instead season 2 had to transition to being more about the main characters than the story behind them. Unfortunately, I think even then he didn't manage to really make us all invested in the 4 main characters enough to carry the season just on their backs. Ray and Frank, sure. But Antigone, while interesting, simply never developed to the same level as those two IMO, and Paul definitely didn't. There just wasn't enough screen time, and what was there not all of the actors ate up the way more skilled actors do.
IMO Woodrugh's character brought nothing interesting to the show. And in a show with four leads dividing the screen, and a background plot bordering on labyrinthine, that's pretty bad.
They needed to ditch Taylor Kitsch and turn Vaughn into a supporting character. Could have benefited from double the episodes.
I think ditching or downgrading Kitsch and adding maybe two episodes (so 10 instead of 8.5) might have been enough.
Woodrough didn't need to be in the story. His arc added nothing. Frank and Ani should have been the focus on the police side and their relationship should have been developed earlier instead of feeling tacked on at the end. Ray was also great. Frank and Ani as the legitimate detectives with Frank and Ray as the illegitimate detectives.
I enjoyed it a lot as it is. And I liked the ending more than most apparently. It just didn't have the same umph as the first season.
I feel like many of his character traits / story beats could have been rolled into Ani's character. That said I thought Taylor Kitsch did a good job, but as many have said the show was too short.
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Not going to happen. Apparently he had a huge conflict with Pizzolatto, that bridge is burnt to the ground.
That's horrible news.
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the one throughline in both seasons 1 and 2 is that the place is the most important character in the show.
The problem with season 2 is that the place was kind of boring and overdone.
Putting it in the Ozarks has a much greater opportunity to bring back the discomfort that season 1 so wonderfully wove.
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That and don't make 4 main characters. Jeebus.
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Something that still bothers me, how did the cartel members track down frank? Did the eastern europeans rat him out?
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Given that writing and acting that good is pretty hard to pull off I'd rather have the weird stuff there to help carry it than rely on pulling off something that doesn't happen that often on TV.
"This place is like somebody's memory of a town, and the memory is fading. It's like there was never anything here but jungle."
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Any reason to think I would need to finish it before watching 3? I'm like, real hard pressed to see significant connections between the first two.
Will be watching this later this year when we turn on HBO for GOT
2 eps in it feels very much like its own thing again, but tonally much closer to season one.
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