Regardless, I'm going to post my extremely crazy theory, after having just watched Episode 3:
Amelia is the culprit. She was the "white person" that old recluse saw in the brown sedan (she looks fairly light skinned compared to a darker skinned individual, like Mahershala Ali). In fact, it may even been him in the brown sedan. Anyway, she did it and Detective Wayne Hays (protagonist #1) either covered up for her at the time or started to suspect years later, which is why his memory is fragmented - a defense mechanism for not being able to cope with the truth.
Also, I think the blonde interviewer is related to the girl that disappeared. Her daughter or something. And she suspects Amelia, too, which is the real reason she is there.
Again, it's a crazy theory.
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Just caught up on e1 & e2. Yowsa, I'm liking it. This is exactly what I wanted.
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
Regardless, I'm going to post my extremely crazy theory, after having just watched Episode 3:
Amelia is the culprit. She was the "white person" that old recluse saw in the brown sedan (she looks fairly light skinned compared to a darker skinned individual, like Mahershala Ali). In fact, it may even been him in the brown sedan. Anyway, she did it and Detective Wayne Hays (protagonist #1) either covered up for her at the time or started to suspect years later, which is why his memory is fragmented - a defense mechanism for not being able to cope with the truth.
Also, I think the blonde interviewer is related to the girl that disappeared. Her daughter or something. And she suspects Amelia, too, which is the real reason she is there.
Again, it's a crazy theory.
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Didn't they say a "nice" sedan? The car they are driving is not exactly what I call high rolling
Regardless, I'm going to post my extremely crazy theory, after having just watched Episode 3:
Amelia is the culprit. She was the "white person" that old recluse saw in the brown sedan (she looks fairly light skinned compared to a darker skinned individual, like Mahershala Ali). In fact, it may even been him in the brown sedan. Anyway, she did it and Detective Wayne Hays (protagonist #1) either covered up for her at the time or started to suspect years later, which is why his memory is fragmented - a defense mechanism for not being able to cope with the truth.
Also, I think the blonde interviewer is related to the girl that disappeared. Her daughter or something. And she suspects Amelia, too, which is the real reason she is there.
Again, it's a crazy theory.
I don’t think that works at all.
They met after he’d already started investigating the case.
It’s possible she is involved somehow with the kidnappers but I don’t think there’s any chance of him being involved.
At least not in the initial crime.
He definitely covered something up. I initially was thinking he had killed his wife but I don’t think that works with his statement in the vision or whatever where he said “I don’t deserve this” and she agreed.
I’m curious what, if any, significance there is in the boy having a Backgammon doubling cube instead of a d6 in his D&D dice. I’d assume it was just supposed to look like a cobbled together dice set made without his parents knowing, but a d6 is the easiest sort to find whereas I don’t think I’ve ever seen a doubling cube in the flesh.
The missing girl is the woman now interviewing him in the present.
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I’d be in on that theory except
That scene early on where she’s lackadaisical showing him the subreddits talking about pedophile ring theories. I’d have a hard time image her doing that, in that way, if it’s her.
I like the Amelia one, because as i watched Ep. 3, I thought the same thing about the interviewer being her. And I am an idiot, so if I noticed that and its true, its way too obvious. So, a more complicated version could be more satisfying.
I would love for that dream lady to be right somehow who called into Roland and he ignored her dreams about a snake farm in Huntsville.
The missing girl is the woman now interviewing him in the present.
That's my theory. It's either her or her daughter - but she looks really young. I dunno.
But it does look like her. In Episode 1 or 2 she had the same - forgive this description - bug-eyed look as the photo of Julie they keep showing in the newspaper.
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Girlfriend and I have been watching S3 since we finished Maniac.
We think that present day Wayne has serious memory issues. Young Wayne finds and incriminates wrong person, so 90s Wayne goes and finds the real killer and murders him himself, then present day Wayne's memory causes him to forget it.
Girlfriend and I have been watching S3 since we finished Maniac.
We think that present day Wayne has serious memory issues. Young Wayne finds and incriminates wrong person, so 90s Wayne goes and finds the real killer and murders him himself, then present day Wayne's memory causes him to forget it.
That’s probably better than my theory.
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Caught up to e3 and now it's going to be appointment television on Sunday nights.
Maybe I'm just easy to please, but for me s3 is shaping up to match s1 in terms of greatness.
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
I won't be starting season 3 until probably the next few days, because my mother hadn't seen the first two seasons and was asking about this third, so we just blasted through the first two seasons together. Season 1 is still amazing, and I honestly do not understand the hate season 2 gets. Even at the time I thought it wasn't as good as the first season but I still liked it a lot, and watching it all again over three days, I like it even more than before. I understand people not liking it compared to season 1, but people just calling it trash and awful and writing it off completely is a super bummer to me.
Anyway, all this to say that I'm very excited to start season 3. I will be most interested to see what the story ends up being about, because so far the only thing I know about this season at all is Mahershala Ali and memory problems. My favourite thing about seasons 1 and 2 is how they are about the shitty corruption in politics, business, religion and law enforcement, so I would be truly disappointed if they did not keep that throughline going.
I didn’t mind season 2. My biggest complaint is how they offed Taylor Kitsch. Based on how they built up his character and his prowess I didn’t think it was in character for him to get ambushed that badly.
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I def wouldnt say season 2 is trash
but its quality and depth seems alot more forced and less nuanced than s1
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Season 2 felt like a not-great adaptation of a graphic novel trying really hard to rip off Ed Brubaker.
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Boy they’re really working hard in 1990 and 2015 to avoid saying exactly who the murder got pinned on in 1980 until the narrative demands it.
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E4. Fuuuuuuuuuuck, what an end cut.
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
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Last ep..
So the people in his room were all people he has killed yea? Was the long haired guy the trash man? I guess next episode we'll see if he ends up needing to shoot him.
If so then it's definitely confirmed, but then makes me wonder who the man in the suit was.
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Drake ChambersLay out my formal shorts.Registered Userregular
Really digging Stephen Dorff's performance. We were already in love with Ali and he has not disappointed.
Something this season has really nailed the way the first season did is in really pulling you in during what are basically just conversational scenes. I think it's a combination of direction and fantastic acting.
I remember thinking after the first season that I could watch a whole damn show that was just McConaughey's Rust sitting in an interview room with a six pack.
The age makeup this season is super tight. It's really beautifully done.
I'm reserving judgment on the actual narrative until we get further in. It feels good already, but there's always room to flame out spectacularly.
One thing I'm curious about:
Is the introduction of D&D stuff (the manual, the dice in the forest, etc...) just clumsy foreshadowing, a red herring, or just aesthetically placed to drum up that late 70s, early 80s satanic panic vibe?
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That’s gotta kill the director being Julie theory right? She was 21 in 1990, she’d be 46 in 2015.
That’s gotta kill the director being Julie theory right? She was 21 in 1990, she’d be 46 in 2015.
I think theres still a lot more to her tho
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its hard to understand how mucb a thing satanic panic was. If kids went missing it was almost certain to come up
This being Arkansas, it’s also definitely going for a West Memphis Three vibe. Keep in mind that that happened in 1993, too. Fucking *Pearl Jam* was advocating for those kids, and it was still all “wearing a Metallica shirt, must be devil worshippers” in those parts. In a trial that happened after Kurt Cobain died.
The age makeup this season is super tight. It's really beautifully done.
I'm reserving judgment on the actual narrative until we get further in. It feels good already, but there's always room to flame out spectacularly.
One thing I'm curious about:
Is the introduction of D&D stuff (the manual, the dice in the forest, etc...) just clumsy foreshadowing, a red herring, or just aesthetically placed to drum up that late 70s, early 80s satanic panic vibe?
As an old school D&D nerd who was playing in the 1980s...
"Forests of Leng" is not an actual AD&D supplement, it is made up for the show. "Leng" actually comes from H.P. Lovecraft, where Abdul Alhazred describes it as a place where different realities converge, home a high priest in a yellow silken mask and a cannibal cult. It is referenced in a whole bunch of other fantasy, including A Song of Ice and Fire, which has the Islands of Leng.
Anyway, that book is not a random 1980s AD&D book that someone brought in for the shoot, it is a prop they custom made for the show, so it is probably a clue. Also, the style of the spine and cover art is from the post-1983 style of AD&D books, so it is a slight anachronism. In 1980, AD&D books looked like this:
not this:
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The age makeup this season is super tight. It's really beautifully done.
I'm reserving judgment on the actual narrative until we get further in. It feels good already, but there's always room to flame out spectacularly.
One thing I'm curious about:
Is the introduction of D&D stuff (the manual, the dice in the forest, etc...) just clumsy foreshadowing, a red herring, or just aesthetically placed to drum up that late 70s, early 80s satanic panic vibe?
As an old school D&D nerd who was playing in the 1980s...
"Forests of Leng" is not an actual AD&D supplement, it is made up for the show. "Leng" actually comes from H.P. Lovecraft, where Abdul Alhazred describes it as a place where different realities converge, home a high priest in a yellow silken mask and a cannibal cult. It is referenced in a whole bunch of other fantasy, including A Song of Ice and Fire, which has the Islands of Leng.
Anyway, that book is not a random 1980s AD&D book that someone brought in for the shoot, it is a prop they custom made for the show, so it is probably a clue. Also, the style of the spine and cover art is from the post-1983 style of AD&D books, so it is a slight anachronism. In 1980, AD&D books looked like this:
not this:
Good call on the Lovecraft reference! I recognized Leng as from that mythos but didn't follow the train of thought through regarding the name of the module.
This, then, recalls the first season's references to the King in Yellow, another Lovecraft reference.
I'm not sure the book means much on its own. They seem to be doing some of the thing they did in Season 1 where there's a feeling of unreality and the supernatural occurring when there isn't.
I'm not sure the book means much on its own. They seem to be doing some of the thing they did in Season 1 where there's a feeling of unreality and the supernatural occurring when there isn't.
It sure could be a red herring, but...
They find the polyhedral dice near the murder location, along with the toy stash. The detectives are actively interviewing the kids they thought played with Will and discovered that this wasn't the case. So it is definitely a thread they are following.
I haven't seen Episode 4 yet, but my guess is that one of the teens riding around in the purple VW bug will also come up in the D&D investigation.
I'm not sure the book means much on its own. They seem to be doing some of the thing they did in Season 1 where there's a feeling of unreality and the supernatural occurring when there isn't.
Unless it's a double-red-herring
Chekhov's Herring-Gun
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Something I hadn’t really considered until episode 4
There’s a possibility that Hayes’ daughter is no longer alive in 2015, and nobody has the heart to remind him of that.
We see him talking to her in his office shortly before all the “ghosts” (which I’m going to assume are all people he killed or failed to save) show up. And in the earlier episode the son was being really vague about why she’s not around anymore.
On whomever got arrested or blamed in 1980
We know it’s a man. We know Hayes didn’t think that man was the killer. We know Hayes’ career was sidetracked because he wouldn’t get on board. We know that the suspect has a family who still cares enough in 1990 to try and clear his name, and has the resources to make that possible.
My speculation: one of the teenagers gets blamed for everything in 1980. But in 1990 it turns out it was the CEO of the chicken processing plant. The detectives take him out because they realize he’s too connected to take in legally. 2015 Hayes is trying to make sure nobody finds out about what he did in 1990.
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E4
Did I see 90s Roland has a limp? Shrapnel damage from the e5 claymore coming up, perhaps? They are in the yard, front and center for the explosion.
Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
That’s gotta kill the director being Julie theory right? She was 21 in 1990, she’d be 46 in 2015.
I think theres still a lot more to her tho
Perhaps an interested party trying to hunt down Julie for good or I'll; and the documentary is a cover.
I expect more to come from the two wine glasses; material or not.
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Where was this reference?
The Forests of Leng book is on Will's desk when the detectives search his room. You see it right after they find the only Playboys under his mattress.
Thanks for this! I could not remember this module for the life of me! I figured it was by design, but then I saw the old school DM handbook and thought it was just one I'd never seen.
Fun fact, my original DM manual, which I bought used to begin with, was confiscated by my Cub Scouts Scoutmaster in the basement of the church we met in PA while preparing for the Webelo exam (or whatever it was).
I still remember it. That shit is expensive when you're a kid!
That’s gotta kill the director being Julie theory right? She was 21 in 1990, she’d be 46 in 2015.
I think theres still a lot more to her tho
Perhaps an interested party trying to hunt down Julie for good or I'll; and the documentary is a cover.
I expect more to come from the two wine glasses; material or not.
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Where was this reference?
The Forests of Leng book is on Will's desk when the detectives search his room. You see it right after they find the only Playboys under his mattress.
Thanks for this! I could not remember this module for the life of me! I figured it was by design, but then I saw the old school DM handbook and thought it was just one I'd never seen.
Fun fact, my original DM manual, which I bought used to begin with, was confiscated by my Cub Scouts Scoutmaster in the basement of the church we met in PA while preparing for the Webelo exam (or whatever it was).
I still remember it. That shit is expensive when you're a kid!
No worries. I had a similar sort of thing - the book store in my town originally carried D&D material and then pulled it all in the late 80s after an incident where some teenagers knocked over some headstones in the cemetery.
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Maybe I'm just being stupid since I am deliriously tired.
Regardless, I'm going to post my extremely crazy theory, after having just watched Episode 3:
Also, I think the blonde interviewer is related to the girl that disappeared. Her daughter or something. And she suspects Amelia, too, which is the real reason she is there.
My response
I don’t think that works at all.
It’s possible she is involved somehow with the kidnappers but I don’t think there’s any chance of him being involved.
At least not in the initial crime.
He definitely covered something up. I initially was thinking he had killed his wife but I don’t think that works with his statement in the vision or whatever where he said “I don’t deserve this” and she agreed.
I’m curious what, if any, significance there is in the boy having a Backgammon doubling cube instead of a d6 in his D&D dice. I’d assume it was just supposed to look like a cobbled together dice set made without his parents knowing, but a d6 is the easiest sort to find whereas I don’t think I’ve ever seen a doubling cube in the flesh.
I would love for that dream lady to be right somehow who called into Roland and he ignored her dreams about a snake farm in Huntsville.
But it does look like her. In Episode 1 or 2 she had the same - forgive this description - bug-eyed look as the photo of Julie they keep showing in the newspaper.
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That’s probably better than my theory.
Maybe I'm just easy to please, but for me s3 is shaping up to match s1 in terms of greatness.
Anyway, all this to say that I'm very excited to start season 3. I will be most interested to see what the story ends up being about, because so far the only thing I know about this season at all is Mahershala Ali and memory problems. My favourite thing about seasons 1 and 2 is how they are about the shitty corruption in politics, business, religion and law enforcement, so I would be truly disappointed if they did not keep that throughline going.
but its quality and depth seems alot more forced and less nuanced than s1
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If so then it's definitely confirmed, but then makes me wonder who the man in the suit was.
Something this season has really nailed the way the first season did is in really pulling you in during what are basically just conversational scenes. I think it's a combination of direction and fantastic acting.
I remember thinking after the first season that I could watch a whole damn show that was just McConaughey's Rust sitting in an interview room with a six pack.
I'm reserving judgment on the actual narrative until we get further in. It feels good already, but there's always room to flame out spectacularly.
One thing I'm curious about:
I think theres still a lot more to her tho
Re: D&D
This being Arkansas, it’s also definitely going for a West Memphis Three vibe. Keep in mind that that happened in 1993, too. Fucking *Pearl Jam* was advocating for those kids, and it was still all “wearing a Metallica shirt, must be devil worshippers” in those parts. In a trial that happened after Kurt Cobain died.
As an old school D&D nerd who was playing in the 1980s...
Anyway, that book is not a random 1980s AD&D book that someone brought in for the shoot, it is a prop they custom made for the show, so it is probably a clue. Also, the style of the spine and cover art is from the post-1983 style of AD&D books, so it is a slight anachronism. In 1980, AD&D books looked like this:
not this:
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Good call on the Lovecraft reference! I recognized Leng as from that mythos but didn't follow the train of thought through regarding the name of the module.
This, then, recalls the first season's references to the King in Yellow, another Lovecraft reference.
I expect more to come from the two wine glasses; material or not.
Re: Plateau of Leng
Where was this reference?
The Forests of Leng book is on Will's desk when the detectives search his room. You see it right after they find the only Playboys under his mattress.
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It sure could be a red herring, but...
I haven't seen Episode 4 yet, but my guess is that one of the teens riding around in the purple VW bug will also come up in the D&D investigation.
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Unless it's a double-red-herring
Chekhov's Herring-Gun
We see him talking to her in his office shortly before all the “ghosts” (which I’m going to assume are all people he killed or failed to save) show up. And in the earlier episode the son was being really vague about why she’s not around anymore.
On whomever got arrested or blamed in 1980
My speculation: one of the teenagers gets blamed for everything in 1980. But in 1990 it turns out it was the CEO of the chicken processing plant. The detectives take him out because they realize he’s too connected to take in legally. 2015 Hayes is trying to make sure nobody finds out about what he did in 1990.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Thanks for this! I could not remember this module for the life of me! I figured it was by design, but then I saw the old school DM handbook and thought it was just one I'd never seen.
Fun fact, my original DM manual, which I bought used to begin with, was confiscated by my Cub Scouts Scoutmaster in the basement of the church we met in PA while preparing for the Webelo exam (or whatever it was).
I still remember it. That shit is expensive when you're a kid!
No worries. I had a similar sort of thing - the book store in my town originally carried D&D material and then pulled it all in the late 80s after an incident where some teenagers knocked over some headstones in the cemetery.
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