ADC is such a bitch position. You're dependent on your entire team to play properly. One lost matchup (hello giant Jax) or improper peel and you die. And you lose. Can't make plays. Can't do shit. Just gotta hope your team doesn't have their heads up their asses while you farm.
8 straight losses as ADC in ranked. Elise jungle? 13/5/13.
Hate this game sometimes.
Yeah, I was ADC (last pick), and it's clear I'm already being thrown with better golds in the matchmaker. I pick Jinx, say "help other lanes, I'm a silver 5 scrub" and do decently in lane (played safe, out CS'd, picked up 1 kill with an OK leona), but every teamfight make sure my jax and elise get fed (elise was doing WORK). I just push towers and manage creep waves. Basically an autowin late as we had Jax+Jinx with Leona and Elise at the front.
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I finished my placement matches last night (playing ranked for the first time ever). 6 wins 4 losses, landed in silver 5. This was followed by one game of my possibly being one of the worst Annie supports ever and getting demolished by a team who was down a player.
so...I've pretty much only played mid or support but I decided I wanted to learn jungling and holy shit. It is the most thankless role.
Apparently I need to always be ganking every lane. And also if anyone dies in lane it's my fault. And during team fights I am inevitably under leveled and under farmed from running around trying to save all these assholes. And heaven forbid I accidently steal a kill.
Your primary goal as a laner is to win your lane.
Similarly, you're primary goal as a jungler is to win the jungle. You can accomplish that through a number of different means: Ganking, Farming, Counter-Ganking, Objective Control, etc.
Junglers tend to have different styles and approaches to accomplish this, but ultimately winning the jungle should be your foremost goal.
If a laner lost the lane, that's on them. They can hem and haw, but that's not really your fault. If you lost the jungle though, that's on you and you should examine things you could have done differently to prevent that.
Late response, but this isn't true at all. If you lost due to multiple man invades on your buffs, that's probably because team never followed or responded properly. Literally nothing you can do if your lane doesn't come and the enemy mid and support joins in on timed invades on your buffs. There may be mitigating circumstances, like your mid is so far behind that they can't go first because the enemy mid would just kill them, but it's probably still their fault anyway for doing something dumb like picking Lux into Talon.
There is more to jungling than just securing your own buffs. I think you want to read the next post where I discuss that there are other things that can qualify as losing the jungle. If for example, you secure every single one of your buffs the entire game, but you fail every gank while your opponent's succeed and he out CSes you while doing it? You lost the jungle. You didn't lose your buffs, but you didn't control the other jungler and didn't make the plays you needed to in order to put your team in the best position to win the game.
You can't read because I am explicitly refuting the idea that if you lost the jungle in every circumstance that there was something you could have done to change the outcome. If you did everything else right, given game circumstances, but couldn't secure your buffs because the rest of your team isn't supporting you, then no it's not particularly your fault. There's even some leeway built in to that if you are setup to fail the rest of the game because your team first off couldn't protect you, which made your ganks weaker and your clears slower.
Sometimes you can stem the bleeding, but you're still going to have been considered to lost the jungle (usually because the enemy started getting Dragons for free while you're catching up).
I think we're talking past each other a bit here.
If your lanes lose then that can cascade into your own jungle, and that's not the jungler's fault. I thought I stated that in my next post further explaining this idea, but if I didn't that's my mistake.
I can read your posts though - there's no reason to get hostile with me spectrum.
I may have misread your "I think you want to read the next post" line in the wrong way as starting something. If so, I apologize.
I am rather sensitive to anything that looks vaguely like a "jungle's fault we lost game they could have played tons better" attitude also : (
As promised, I'm here with some updates about where the Rengar rework is at and I would also like to get your feedback on the direction and changes.
Overall we hope to accomplish these goals:
-Remove resourceless ranged harass in lane
-Add counterplay overall
-Make ferocity skill choices more compelling
-Improve Bonetooth Necklace in both satisfaction and uniqueness
-Lengthen the time Rengar can fight
-Many small improvements to make all abilities more satisfying and fun
So with those goals in mind, here is our current changelist (numbers aren't final so I'll post those later):
General
-Buffs to base health regen and health per level
-All ferocity effects will deal damage based on champ level instead of the level of the spell
Passive
-Ferocity stacks will reset to 0 if they are not used or gained for 10 seconds
Q
-Cooldown lowered at all ranks
-Ferocity Q now gives the same attack speed buff as base Q
-Ferocity Q now gives 3 ferocity after it is used
-Ferocity Q damage scales on champ level instead of spell level
W
-3 Seconds after the initial roar, Rengar roars again for PBAOE damage and builds another Ferocity
-Ferocity W scales on champion level instead of spell level
E
-E is now a skillshot
-E range increased from 575 to 1000
-Damage increased
-Slow increased
-Ferocity E deals damage based on champion level not spell level
-Ferocity E root duration increased
R
-Stealth duration increased from 7s to 10s
-Rengar no longer gains movement speed while stealthed
-After exiting stealth, Rengar now gains a significant movement speed buff for 5 seconds
-The Ferocity gain begins after Rengar exits stealth instead of when the stealth begins
Bonetooth Necklace
-Now is a trinket!
-Costs 0 gold!
-Has a new active that places a temporary ward
-No longer gives AD or AD per level
-3 Trophy Bonus: Movement speed out of combat and in brush
-6 Trophy Bonus: Additional leap range
-9 Trophy Bonus: Increased Thrill of the Hunt stealth duration
-14 Trophy Bonus: Gain movement speed while stealthed in Thrill of the Hunt
These changes are still WIP so this thread is all about getting your constructive feedback and having a dialogue to help us make Rengar a more fun champ for all players. I'll be coming back to the thread later today to discuss the feedback.
-Scruffy
Necklace becoming a trinket is probably the most interesting part of that. The rest still sounds like he'll be a pain to fight.
That all sounds horrifying. I was quite glad to see saberkitty fall out of FOTM, fuck that guy.
It's cool . We both main jungle, and I also tend to be sensitive to "OMG ITS THE JUNGLERS FAULT!" rants. But on some level we have to setup a method for examining our games and what we can do to improve. I was trying to move away from assigning blame and look towards a better way of meditating on what matters to a jungler.
It's cool . We both main jungle, and I also tend to be sensitive to "OMG ITS THE JUNGLERS FAULT!" rants. But on some level we have to setup a method for examining our games and what we can do to improve. I was trying to move away from assigning blame and look towards a better way of meditating on what matters to a jungler.
I find it's easier to just say at the start of the game "I'm the jungler, so if we lose, it's obviously my fault". It usually lightens the mood and I could give a flying crap what happens. As I've said before, the jungler is an opportunity exploiter and a force multiplier, so if there's nothing to exploit (lanes are losing and not positioning creepline correctly) and no force to multiply, you can't do much to fix things. If lanes aren't losing THAT badly and you have a good carry or teamfight champ, you can powerfarm the jungle and hope to take the next teamfight, but that's about it.
It's cool . We both main jungle, and I also tend to be sensitive to "OMG ITS THE JUNGLERS FAULT!" rants. But on some level we have to setup a method for examining our games and what we can do to improve. I was trying to move away from assigning blame and look towards a better way of meditating on what matters to a jungler.
I find it's easier to just say at the start of the game "I'm the jungler, so if we lose, it's obviously my fault". It usually lightens the mood and I could give a flying crap what happens. As I've said before, the jungler is an opportunity exploiter and a force multiplier, so if there's nothing to exploit (lanes are losing and not positioning creepline correctly) and no force to multiply, you can't do much to fix things. If lanes aren't losing THAT badly and you have a good carry or teamfight champ, you can powerfarm the jungle and hope to take the next teamfight, but that's about it.
There is no better feeling in this game right now than being a jungler who has a snowballing bot lane.
You can pretty much do anything you want and have it be successful.
It's cool . We both main jungle, and I also tend to be sensitive to "OMG ITS THE JUNGLERS FAULT!" rants. But on some level we have to setup a method for examining our games and what we can do to improve. I was trying to move away from assigning blame and look towards a better way of meditating on what matters to a jungler.
I find it's easier to just say at the start of the game "I'm the jungler, so if we lose, it's obviously my fault". It usually lightens the mood and I could give a flying crap what happens. As I've said before, the jungler is an opportunity exploiter and a force multiplier, so if there's nothing to exploit (lanes are losing and not positioning creepline correctly) and no force to multiply, you can't do much to fix things. If lanes aren't losing THAT badly and you have a good carry or teamfight champ, you can powerfarm the jungle and hope to take the next teamfight, but that's about it.
There is no better feeling in this game right now than being a jungler who has a snowballing bot lane.
You can pretty much do anything you want and have it be successful.
Be a snowballing Riven / Katarina / Yasuo against an enemy team lite on CC.
Ended up in Silver 3 after being Silver 1 last season. I went 6-4 in my placements (although one of those losses counted was a dodge). Not horrible, least I won't have to do the Bronze climb like last season.
Just started my placements duoing with a friend, and I decided my strategy is to play nothing but Elise and Vi. Should I feel dirty about this? I main jungle and just feel like nobody can match either of these champs for their damage and utility.
Just started my placements duoing with a friend, and I decided my strategy is to play nothing but Elise and Vi. Should I feel dirty about this? I main jungle and just feel like nobody can match either of these champs for their damage and utility.
nah, I'm going to do a rotation of Vi/Olaf this season I think. i haven't started ranked up yet. probably going to after the baby is born during downtime on my week off when he is asleep.
Just started my placements duoing with a friend, and I decided my strategy is to play nothing but Elise and Vi. Should I feel dirty about this? I main jungle and just feel like nobody can match either of these champs for their damage and utility.
nah, I'm going to do a rotation of Vi/Olaf this season I think. i haven't started ranked up yet. probably going to after the baby is born during downtime on my week off when he is asleep.
I've played some Olaf against bots, and he is fun there.
Ended up in Silver 3 after being Silver 1 last season. I went 6-4 in my placements (although one of those losses counted was a dodge). Not horrible, least I won't have to do the Bronze climb like last season.
Are you saying queue dodges count towards your placement totals?
Ended up in Silver 3 after being Silver 1 last season. I went 6-4 in my placements (although one of those losses counted was a dodge). Not horrible, least I won't have to do the Bronze climb like last season.
Are you saying queue dodges count towards your placement totals?
Apparently so. I thought after reading that it didn't; that it would "count" as a loss, but I wouldn't get placed until I played 11 games instead of 10. However, after playing that 10th game, I was thrown into Silver 3.
Hey everyone, just found these codes in my backpack from Pax East. Not sure if they have been redeemed or not. If not, they are good for the NA servers and for the EU servers (separately I think, so give them a shot). Please either post in the thread if you have tried them or PM me and I will edit this post.
If you don't own the champion these will unlock the champion AND the skin
Code for Full Metal Rammus
NEKJMNMK4F9FLD
Code for Riot Graves
NEMQKGTHUN4LVT
Grabbed the rammus for EU, thank you kindly!
I am not home, and thus cannot use either of these codes. Stupid being at work...
If you have the Justicar Kayle code and don't want it, I am willing to trade you my seventh born, but am open to negotiation for a pat on the back or high five.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
What's the deal with Lux right now? Haven't heard any mention of her. Did she get nerfed or something?
why lux when you can ziggs?
I'm getting more and more bored by Ziggs. It's just safe farming, you do very little. It's all defensive until you build enough AP, and by then you're just sieging turrets.
Snoozefest.
Lux, conversely is fun and you can actually start making plays and pushing people around from moment one. I think she's super fun, and I agree with her that it is great when a plan comes together.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
What's the deal with Lux right now? Haven't heard any mention of her. Did she get nerfed or something?
Too busy making kissy faces with Ezreal to bother fighting on the fields of justice. They let Ziggs, Lucian, Caitlyn, and Jinx do all the work nowadays.
Ended up in Silver 3 after being Silver 1 last season. I went 6-4 in my placements (although one of those losses counted was a dodge). Not horrible, least I won't have to do the Bronze climb like last season.
Are you saying queue dodges count towards your placement totals?
Apparently so. I thought after reading that it didn't; that it would "count" as a loss, but I wouldn't get placed until I played 11 games instead of 10. However, after playing that 10th game, I was thrown into Silver 3.
Do you think it really counted as a loss? Previously dodging has only effected LP and not MMR/ELO so it's a big change if dodging a placement counts as a loss and drops your ELO now.
Not that it would be easy for you tell from one dodge, haha.
Lost my first game in promo out of bronze 2, after winning 4 in a row to qualify for promo. Very confused about my actual mmr at this point. Loss was partially my fault as I disconnected for about 1 min or 2 min at lvl 3 as Leona while standing in the middle of the lane; they got one kill, and then I was afraid to engage afterwards. Our opponents Vayne and Annie got a little bit ahead; enough so that I did not want to dive into a potential Tibbers and Vayne was allowed to happily farm, becoming a major problem later. Even when I baited out the Tibbers without dying to it, we couldn't quite capitalize. (I should note that I am proud of myself for not crazily engaging and feeding. But maybe I should have tried? I don't know).
Edit: ADC was Jinx, ranked Gold last season. She was probably pretty skilled but was entirely uncommunicative.
Add a total failure to hit any midgame midlane Zenith blades while milling around, and I feel like I singlehandedly lost the game.
I mean, didn't help the my team refused to stop a splitpushing Hecarim who took 2 top and 1 bot tower unopposed despite my pinging and chatting (I almost went myself, but that is seriously the least useful thing for Leona to do). And even though we won some key teamfights and took baron, somehow nothing came of it (maybe because of mushrooms during our push?) Again, my fault for not buying the vision trinket (also would have been useful vs Vayne). Ugggghhhh I am so bad. I'll try to win the next two, of course. Hopefully this weekend, maybe tomorrow evening.
It's cool . We both main jungle, and I also tend to be sensitive to "OMG ITS THE JUNGLERS FAULT!" rants. But on some level we have to setup a method for examining our games and what we can do to improve. I was trying to move away from assigning blame and look towards a better way of meditating on what matters to a jungler.
I find it's easier to just say at the start of the game "I'm the jungler, so if we lose, it's obviously my fault". It usually lightens the mood and I could give a flying crap what happens. As I've said before, the jungler is an opportunity exploiter and a force multiplier, so if there's nothing to exploit (lanes are losing and not positioning creepline correctly) and no force to multiply, you can't do much to fix things. If lanes aren't losing THAT badly and you have a good carry or teamfight champ, you can powerfarm the jungle and hope to take the next teamfight, but that's about it.
There is no better feeling in this game right now than being a jungler who has a snowballing bot lane.
You can pretty much do anything you want and have it be successful.
Be a snowballing Riven / Katarina / Yasuo against an enemy team lite on CC.
Riven is a lot harder to get there now, and heavily matchup dependent.
Yasuo' skill floor is too high for 95%+ of the population.
Also, what teams are you playing against that are light on CC? If I'm on a team that doesn't have at least 3 forms of CC, something probably went horribly wrong at champ select.
*edit*
Just did a quick check, in my last 7 games each of my teams has had at least 3 forms of CC, many with 4 or more hard CCs.
With Leona/Thresh/Vi/Renekton/Gragas/Lee Sin being so popular right now, there's a lot of CC built into the strongest champs at the moment.
Ended up in Silver 3 after being Silver 1 last season. I went 6-4 in my placements (although one of those losses counted was a dodge). Not horrible, least I won't have to do the Bronze climb like last season.
Are you saying queue dodges count towards your placement totals?
Apparently so. I thought after reading that it didn't; that it would "count" as a loss, but I wouldn't get placed until I played 11 games instead of 10. However, after playing that 10th game, I was thrown into Silver 3.
Do you think it really counted as a loss? Previously dodging has only effected LP and not MMR/ELO so it's a big change if dodging a placement counts as a loss and drops your ELO now.
Not that it would be easy for you tell from one dodge, haha.
I do know that it was counted as a loss. I was 5-3 when I joined that match. They decided to pick, in order, Hec mid --> Yi yungle --> Fiora top. I prompt said "Fuck this" and dodged. I looked at my stats, and said it was 9 games played out of 10 for placement. I mused to myself that it was kind of weird since it was a dodge, but figured that people on reddit were right in that it didn't matter, I'd still have to play 10 games for placement.
I played again after giving the queue 10 minutes or so to cycle through a group of players. Won that game, which brought me to 6 wins (and supposed to be 3 losses, due to the dodge). Got a placement promptly after my win.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that dodging the placement lowered my MMR/ELO. I fully expected to land in Silver during my placements. However, what I do think it did, was keep me from getting the full effect of placements due to averaging my MMR over 9 games instead of 10 games. The difference may have been small, perhaps landing in Silver 2 instead of 3, but it definitely counts it as a "game played".
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Had a 5 game winning streak. Immediately followed by a 5 game losing streak. A fickle mistress this game is.
Hey everyone, just found these codes in my backpack from Pax East. Not sure if they have been redeemed or not. If not, they are good for the NA servers and for the EU servers (separately I think, so give them a shot). Please either post in the thread if you have tried them or PM me and I will edit this post.
If you don't own the champion these will unlock the champion AND the skin
Lost my first game in promo out of bronze 2, after winning 4 in a row to qualify for promo. Very confused about my actual mmr at this point. Loss was partially my fault as I disconnected for about 1 min or 2 min at lvl 3 as Leona while standing in the middle of the lane; they got one kill, and then I was afraid to engage afterwards. Our opponents Vayne and Annie got a little bit ahead; enough so that I did not want to dive into a potential Tibbers and Vayne was allowed to happily farm, becoming a major problem later. Even when I baited out the Tibbers without dying to it, we couldn't quite capitalize. (I should note that I am proud of myself for not crazily engaging and feeding. But maybe I should have tried? I don't know).
Edit: ADC was Jinx, ranked Gold last season. She was probably pretty skilled but was entirely uncommunicative.
Add a total failure to hit any midgame midlane Zenith blades while milling around, and I feel like I singlehandedly lost the game.
I mean, didn't help the my team refused to stop a splitpushing Hecarim who took 2 top and 1 bot tower unopposed despite my pinging and chatting (I almost went myself, but that is seriously the least useful thing for Leona to do). And even though we won some key teamfights and took baron, somehow nothing came of it (maybe because of mushrooms during our push?) Again, my fault for not buying the vision trinket (also would have been useful vs Vayne). Ugggghhhh I am so bad. I'll try to win the next two, of course. Hopefully this weekend, maybe tomorrow evening.
Pro tip from someone who was a support main for a while. Buy a vision trinket to start, and once you have sightstone, swap it out for a sweeper.
Ended up in Silver 3 after being Silver 1 last season. I went 6-4 in my placements (although one of those losses counted was a dodge). Not horrible, least I won't have to do the Bronze climb like last season.
Are you saying queue dodges count towards your placement totals?
Apparently so. I thought after reading that it didn't; that it would "count" as a loss, but I wouldn't get placed until I played 11 games instead of 10. However, after playing that 10th game, I was thrown into Silver 3.
Do you think it really counted as a loss? Previously dodging has only effected LP and not MMR/ELO so it's a big change if dodging a placement counts as a loss and drops your ELO now.
Not that it would be easy for you tell from one dodge, haha.
I do know that it was counted as a loss. I was 5-3 when I joined that match. They decided to pick, in order, Hec mid --> Yi yungle --> Fiora top. I prompt said "Fuck this" and dodged. I looked at my stats, and said it was 9 games played out of 10 for placement. I mused to myself that it was kind of weird since it was a dodge, but figured that people on reddit were right in that it didn't matter, I'd still have to play 10 games for placement.
I played again after giving the queue 10 minutes or so to cycle through a group of players. Won that game, which brought me to 6 wins (and supposed to be 3 losses, due to the dodge). Got a placement promptly after my win.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that dodging the placement lowered my MMR/ELO. I fully expected to land in Silver during my placements. However, what I do think it did, was keep me from getting the full effect of placements due to averaging my MMR over 9 games instead of 10 games. The difference may have been small, perhaps landing in Silver 2 instead of 3, but it definitely counts it as a "game played".
Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
Last night I had to dodge a guy who said he was trolling and locked in a jungle trist after we already had an ADC. Placements have been brutal so far for me.
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So what does a rune page look like for jungle/mid Kayle? I kind of want to try that out after I finish my placements today.
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I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
So Leona isn't that bad with cait. People underestimate the power of zoning that both bring. Additionally it gives you two hard engage opportunities. If someone steps on a cait trap you're guaranteed to get all of your sunlight procs. Additionally a cait which drops a trap under an enemy who has been engaged on will trigger it when they come out of stun and will guarantee about 3 seconds of cc.
It's cool . We both main jungle, and I also tend to be sensitive to "OMG ITS THE JUNGLERS FAULT!" rants. But on some level we have to setup a method for examining our games and what we can do to improve. I was trying to move away from assigning blame and look towards a better way of meditating on what matters to a jungler.
I find it's easier to just say at the start of the game "I'm the jungler, so if we lose, it's obviously my fault". It usually lightens the mood and I could give a flying crap what happens. As I've said before, the jungler is an opportunity exploiter and a force multiplier, so if there's nothing to exploit (lanes are losing and not positioning creepline correctly) and no force to multiply, you can't do much to fix things. If lanes aren't losing THAT badly and you have a good carry or teamfight champ, you can powerfarm the jungle and hope to take the next teamfight, but that's about it.
There is no better feeling in this game right now than being a jungler who has a snowballing bot lane.
You can pretty much do anything you want and have it be successful.
Be a snowballing Riven / Katarina / Yasuo against an enemy team lite on CC.
Riven is a lot harder to get there now, and heavily matchup dependent.
Yasuo' skill floor is too high for 95%+ of the population.
Also, what teams are you playing against that are light on CC? If I'm on a team that doesn't have at least 3 forms of CC, something probably went horribly wrong at champ select.
*edit*
Just did a quick check, in my last 7 games each of my teams has had at least 3 forms of CC, many with 4 or more hard CCs.
With Leona/Thresh/Vi/Renekton/Gragas/Lee Sin being so popular right now, there's a lot of CC built into the strongest champs at the moment.
You were talking about the best feeling you can get. Who cares how hard getting Riven a good matchup or playing Yasuo effectively is? What's important is that feeling when you can and do and reach that point where you feel like you can do no wrong, especially when you push that to having the potential to win 1v5 against the enemy team, which these champions (among others) can do if they are up against something awkward like Shyvana, Gragas, Khazix, Ezreal, Sona; teams packing mostly soft CC and dodge-able hard cc.
Scrying orb is pretty good for junglers. When you gank a lane, most of the time they'll try to use the brush to escape without taking damage. If the brush isn't warded, the extra range of the scrying orb allows you to get vision on them before face-checking the brush or getting closer to ward it, giving them less time to juke or run away without retaliation.
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blame kiwikid ok
If you played ten matchmade games in season 1 you got that skin.
Yeah, I was ADC (last pick), and it's clear I'm already being thrown with better golds in the matchmaker. I pick Jinx, say "help other lanes, I'm a silver 5 scrub" and do decently in lane (played safe, out CS'd, picked up 1 kill with an OK leona), but every teamfight make sure my jax and elise get fed (elise was doing WORK). I just push towers and manage creep waves. Basically an autowin late as we had Jax+Jinx with Leona and Elise at the front.
Still kind of down about that.
I am almost positive that was not the case, but I suppose that could have happened.
I'm not complaining, I like the skin.
you needed to be placed on the S1 ladder.
that rewarded you the skin.
s2 they introduced the gold requirement, that gave victorious janna.
s3 was vic elise.
s4 will be god of war teemo.
No, it was just 10 matchmade games. I didn't play any ranked in S1 and I have it
It's cool
I find it's easier to just say at the start of the game "I'm the jungler, so if we lose, it's obviously my fault". It usually lightens the mood and I could give a flying crap what happens. As I've said before, the jungler is an opportunity exploiter and a force multiplier, so if there's nothing to exploit (lanes are losing and not positioning creepline correctly) and no force to multiply, you can't do much to fix things. If lanes aren't losing THAT badly and you have a good carry or teamfight champ, you can powerfarm the jungle and hope to take the next teamfight, but that's about it.
There is no better feeling in this game right now than being a jungler who has a snowballing bot lane.
You can pretty much do anything you want and have it be successful.
nah, I'm going to do a rotation of Vi/Olaf this season I think. i haven't started ranked up yet. probably going to after the baby is born during downtime on my week off when he is asleep.
I've played some Olaf against bots, and he is fun there.
Are you saying queue dodges count towards your placement totals?
Apparently so. I thought after reading that it didn't; that it would "count" as a loss, but I wouldn't get placed until I played 11 games instead of 10. However, after playing that 10th game, I was thrown into Silver 3.
I am not home, and thus cannot use either of these codes. Stupid being at work...
I would love that Graves though....
also @Penumbra
If you have the Justicar Kayle code and don't want it, I am willing to trade you my seventh born, but am open to negotiation for a pat on the back or high five.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
why lux when you can ziggs?
Joe's Stream.
I... just don't know how I got it.
I don't remember playing LoL 3 years ago, let alone to do 10 pvp matches. But I suppose its possible that I did. (Please don't take it from me Riot.)
I wish I had Riot Nasus though. Riot Graves & Riot Blitzcrank are aces. Never played Singed, but Riot Singed looks great too.
I'm getting more and more bored by Ziggs. It's just safe farming, you do very little. It's all defensive until you build enough AP, and by then you're just sieging turrets.
Snoozefest.
Lux, conversely is fun and you can actually start making plays and pushing people around from moment one. I think she's super fun, and I agree with her that it is great when a plan comes together.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Too busy making kissy faces with Ezreal to bother fighting on the fields of justice. They let Ziggs, Lucian, Caitlyn, and Jinx do all the work nowadays.
Do you think it really counted as a loss? Previously dodging has only effected LP and not MMR/ELO so it's a big change if dodging a placement counts as a loss and drops your ELO now.
Not that it would be easy for you tell from one dodge, haha.
Edit: ADC was Jinx, ranked Gold last season. She was probably pretty skilled but was entirely uncommunicative.
Add a total failure to hit any midgame midlane Zenith blades while milling around, and I feel like I singlehandedly lost the game.
I mean, didn't help the my team refused to stop a splitpushing Hecarim who took 2 top and 1 bot tower unopposed despite my pinging and chatting (I almost went myself, but that is seriously the least useful thing for Leona to do). And even though we won some key teamfights and took baron, somehow nothing came of it (maybe because of mushrooms during our push?) Again, my fault for not buying the vision trinket (also would have been useful vs Vayne). Ugggghhhh I am so bad. I'll try to win the next two, of course. Hopefully this weekend, maybe tomorrow evening.
Riven is a lot harder to get there now, and heavily matchup dependent.
Yasuo' skill floor is too high for 95%+ of the population.
Also, what teams are you playing against that are light on CC? If I'm on a team that doesn't have at least 3 forms of CC, something probably went horribly wrong at champ select.
*edit*
Just did a quick check, in my last 7 games each of my teams has had at least 3 forms of CC, many with 4 or more hard CCs.
With Leona/Thresh/Vi/Renekton/Gragas/Lee Sin being so popular right now, there's a lot of CC built into the strongest champs at the moment.
I do know that it was counted as a loss. I was 5-3 when I joined that match. They decided to pick, in order, Hec mid --> Yi yungle --> Fiora top. I prompt said "Fuck this" and dodged. I looked at my stats, and said it was 9 games played out of 10 for placement. I mused to myself that it was kind of weird since it was a dodge, but figured that people on reddit were right in that it didn't matter, I'd still have to play 10 games for placement.
I played again after giving the queue 10 minutes or so to cycle through a group of players. Won that game, which brought me to 6 wins (and supposed to be 3 losses, due to the dodge). Got a placement promptly after my win.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying that dodging the placement lowered my MMR/ELO. I fully expected to land in Silver during my placements. However, what I do think it did, was keep me from getting the full effect of placements due to averaging my MMR over 9 games instead of 10 games. The difference may have been small, perhaps landing in Silver 2 instead of 3, but it definitely counts it as a "game played".
Well, both of these have already been used in NA.
Congrats, whoever silently got them... :P
Pro tip from someone who was a support main for a while. Buy a vision trinket to start, and once you have sightstone, swap it out for a sweeper.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
Last night I had to dodge a guy who said he was trolling and locked in a jungle trist after we already had an ADC. Placements have been brutal so far for me.
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AP. Lots and lots of AP.
Mid Kayle I go flat ap quints, mpen reds scaling ap yellows and blues.
Jungle has some flexibility, pretty much the only req is armor yellows.
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You were talking about the best feeling you can get. Who cares how hard getting Riven a good matchup or playing Yasuo effectively is? What's important is that feeling when you can and do and reach that point where you feel like you can do no wrong, especially when you push that to having the potential to win 1v5 against the enemy team, which these champions (among others) can do if they are up against something awkward like Shyvana, Gragas, Khazix, Ezreal, Sona; teams packing mostly soft CC and dodge-able hard cc.
Really needs a shorter cd though.