I think, you could pretty easily beef up the current Defender/Phenax mill, probably swinging for a hand full of really great creatures, a standard "You don't get to play magic" tech, and 3 Traumatize (I love this spell) + 4 Glimpse.
I wouldn't want to make it too reliant on just those two spells. While they are obviously great at it, Modern also has decks/ways to silence a handful of spells. So I'd keep the Phenax stuff, just use the much better and more appropriate Modern creatures you get access to.
I think to make Mill a thing in Modern you'd need Phenax to basically hit the table and win the game. In addition to your Traumatizes and Glimpses.
So you'd need to add either G or W to BU to get access to some cheap big butts like Tree of Redemption or Wall of Shards, as well as Dryad Militant or Rest in Peace to keep them from getting their stuff back.
You'll also need Removal in case of Platinum Angel or similar "can't lose" shenanigans. A sweeper or mass-bouncer is probably the way to go. Preferably uncounterable.
I think Traumatize is probably bad for what you want to go for in modern. A five mana 'half your deck' spell likely will not get you very far. You will also need a ton of graveyard hate for things like Emrakul, Kozilek, etc
Eh, I like it. I've seen success with it. If you hit it on T5 T6, and have your mana, it can be crushing. Otherwise you do just hold them. But, in a deck with blue... Holding a card can be psychologically powerful.
That's actually the reason I like Traumatize. If you hit it on the perfect turn, and you can actually cast it, it's such a demoralizing hit... That alone can win you the game. If your opponent has no/limited GY recovery, the words "Half your deck." have more weight than the actual cards you remove. Most people play differently, panicked. In a true "pro" situation, at the final table, you hit someone for "Half your deck."... Well, you've got to be one cool customer to take that in stride and know you statistically can still recover.
Not saying it's a great card or anything. But factors like that are just as important as the cards themselves. Throwing your opponent off his game, well... He's off his game, isn't he?
Just my opinion. Remember, I play wacky decks and the highest table I've ever been to is my FNM and a kitchen.
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Eh, I like it. I've seen success with it. If you hit it on T5 T6, and have your mana, it can be crushing. Otherwise you do just hold them. But, in a deck with blue... Holding a card can be psychologically powerful.
That's actually the reason I like Traumatize. If you hit it on the perfect turn, and you can actually cast it, it's such a demoralizing hit... That alone can win you the game. If your opponent has no/limited GY recovery, the words "Half your deck." have more weight than the actual cards you remove. Most people play differently, panicked. In a true "pro" situation, at the final table, you hit someone for "Half your deck."... Well, you've got to be one cool customer to take that in stride and know you statistically can still recover.
Not saying it's a great card or anything. But factors like that are just as important as the cards themselves. Throwing your opponent off his game, well... He's off his game, isn't he?
Just my opinion. Remember, I play wacky decks and the highest table I've ever been to is my FNM and a kitchen.
I'd like to see someone try though. The only reason we don't see more decks is people are afraid to try them because "there are answers". But, like... That's the game. Find your own answers. There are answers for everything in just about every color. Sometimes you have to get really creative with them.
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if you're going to play traumatize you should also play bitter ordeal
and just, you know, get 8 mana or whatever
this is the only mill i approve of
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do we know what color this new walker is again
either way I already don't like him
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So a "fixed" Oblivion Ring? Oblivion Ring will never be reprinted again now.
And a Flash Death Pact. Flash adds an interesting dimension to it.
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I was just about to say I wanted insects, but spiders were okay
but now I don't have to settle
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They were never going to reprint Oblivion Ring anyway, because of the way it was templated. The new Banisher Priest-style wording is simpler, and doesn't allow for shenanigans like killing your own Ring to permanently exile something, or three Rings breaking MTGO.
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googling modern mill brought me to a forum thread about this kind of deck, maybe that would help you
I think, you could pretty easily beef up the current Defender/Phenax mill, probably swinging for a hand full of really great creatures, a standard "You don't get to play magic" tech, and 3 Traumatize (I love this spell) + 4 Glimpse.
I wouldn't want to make it too reliant on just those two spells. While they are obviously great at it, Modern also has decks/ways to silence a handful of spells. So I'd keep the Phenax stuff, just use the much better and more appropriate Modern creatures you get access to.
So you'd need to add either G or W to BU to get access to some cheap big butts like Tree of Redemption or Wall of Shards, as well as Dryad Militant or Rest in Peace to keep them from getting their stuff back.
You'll also need Removal in case of Platinum Angel or similar "can't lose" shenanigans. A sweeper or mass-bouncer is probably the way to go. Preferably uncounterable.
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Someone linked this to me... maybe??
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That's actually the reason I like Traumatize. If you hit it on the perfect turn, and you can actually cast it, it's such a demoralizing hit... That alone can win you the game. If your opponent has no/limited GY recovery, the words "Half your deck." have more weight than the actual cards you remove. Most people play differently, panicked. In a true "pro" situation, at the final table, you hit someone for "Half your deck."... Well, you've got to be one cool customer to take that in stride and know you statistically can still recover.
Not saying it's a great card or anything. But factors like that are just as important as the cards themselves. Throwing your opponent off his game, well... He's off his game, isn't he?
Just my opinion. Remember, I play wacky decks and the highest table I've ever been to is my FNM and a kitchen.
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That's why I can't imagine playing Mill without Tormod's Crypt or Rest in Peace or something, anything, that exiles their graveyard.
I got a LOT of mileage out of Cremate when I was running Mill during the INN-RTR standard.
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so would you say your opponent is
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I'd like to see someone try though. The only reason we don't see more decks is people are afraid to try them because "there are answers". But, like... That's the game. Find your own answers. There are answers for everything in just about every color. Sometimes you have to get really creative with them.
and just, you know, get 8 mana or whatever
this is the only mill i approve of
either way I already don't like him
also I didn't look close enough
blue-red is not my favorite color combo please recreate this walker
Isn't he a thief?
A thought thief?
Isn't that very much blue/black's thing?
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No, they steal Notions.
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Dimir > Simic > Izzet > Anything that isn't blue
T8 happens eventually, right?
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Those are some gangster cards.
I love you.
And a Flash Death Pact. Flash adds an interesting dimension to it.
but now I don't have to settle
Hmm...
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And B needed more Thoughtseize effects.
/sarcasm
That'll teach me not to refresh before I post when I've been over on another site for a while.
But I will leave the post there as a reminder of my greatest failing.
Also, now that my work on Dewey is done, I got tapped to work on Louie.
Woo!
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