Boy, that episode was one of the worst. Just felt like 50% stuff we've already covered (Rick is bad, Jerry is pathetic), and 48% filler (characters coming from nowhere, and disappearing just as quickly). The 2% was for Morty continuing to grow and become more competent at dealing with things, which is a character arc I'm enjoying.
That only makes like 52% though?
Like your 48% new characters fits inside your 50% Jerry & Rick.
The other 50% is Beth & Morty (& Summer), which didn't really have any new characters.
I don't know, I thought Beth, Morty and Jerry all had some good interpersonal moments in the story, whilst Rick was Rick is Rick will be Rick.
And this episode was nowhere near last week's level of 'new characters of the week show up and try to make us care about them'.
I was down for the joke regarding the two kids running around in the resort, but this ep felt like it was experimenting to see if there was some comedic chemistry between Rick and Jerry - I mean, there is, but I definitely feel like it's kind of been mined out a bit because the shallow and dim Jerry can't really hide anything from Rick
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I was down for the joke regarding the two kids running around in the resort, but this ep felt like it was experimenting to see if there was some comedic chemistry between Rick and Jerry - I mean, there is, but I definitely feel like it's kind of been mined out a bit because the shallow and dim Jerry can't really hide anything from Rick
I thought the intro segment (after the title) nailed that pretty well.
Not sure that you could get away with taking that line between Rick and Jerry repeatedly though.
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I think my favorite part of the episode was Rick riding back to the spaceport/hub/whatever on that big creature, and then cut to Jerry having to ride down below with it's giant ball-sack slapping him in the face with every step.
Like, I really appreciate the fact that the show isn't too good for that kind of juvenile humor, because I still totally laugh my ass off at it.
One of my favorite episodes for this season. I liked that all characters involved showed a bit of spine, and they all seemed like themselves. Particularly enjoyed Mortys ominous 'Your smore is burning' line.
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I'm all in for this character development of Morty.
Everything else feels too razzle-dazzley and familiar for me to care too strongly one way or another.
Having had a brief thought about this after watching the universe in a battery episode from a while back, I think Rick is like the scientist in the microverse, but what he is aware of is that he's in a TV show. He knows that his existence, regardless of how potent and powerful he seems to be, is completely at the whims of the viewers. He knows about us, and it drives him mad. This is the difference between him and the other ricks. That's my thought of the day in regards to why Rick is so crazy.
Hopefully this was the point Jerry realizes he needs to turn it around. He actually got a moment of respect from Rick for a second there at the end.
I'm thinking that the moment
he became one with time from last nights episode
may change his outlook and motivations, if Harmon and Roiland decide they want to run with that thread.
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eh. I mean. I want that growth, I really want it. But I could easily see Rick and Morty sliding permanently into a vein of being a bitter, less cuddly version of Futurama and, despite a few head-fakes, never moving out of that lane.
Having had a brief thought about this after watching the universe in a battery episode from a while back, I think Rick is like the scientist in the microverse, but what he is aware of is that he's in a TV show. He knows that his existence, regardless of how potent and powerful he seems to be, is completely at the whims of the viewers. He knows about us, and it drives him mad. This is the difference between him and the other ricks. That's my thought of the day in regards to why Rick is so crazy.
Its also why he cares sometimes, but at other times just seems to think its all just worthless nonsense, or why he seems to genuinely cut loose and party sometimes. He doesn't want to die, or to have his friends and family die, since they are real to him. But he knows, that even though it seems like he can escape and go wherever he wants, he can simply be destroyed by us at any time. He, and everyone around him, is fake. But they are all equally real within their own perspective.
eh. I mean. I want that growth, I really want it. But I could easily see Rick and Morty sliding permanently into a vein of being a bitter, less cuddly version of Futurama and, despite a few head-fakes, never moving out of that lane.
I think that the show is focused on not turning out like a canon-less adventure-of-the-week show, and deliberately has shown how previous adventures are canon and have dramatically affected them as characters (with the possible exception of Rick) - every member of the family has evolved (and not really reverted) as the show has gone on and I think that will continue
Actually now I hope that Summer's newfound and alarmingly eager desire to use Rick's inventions without real considerations (as shown throughout this season) will result in some particularly interesting changes for her this season
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I enjoyed Rick pointing out that Jerry's spinelessness isnt a weakness anymore, he's weaponized it as a way of getting pity perks. He's too dickless to permanently stand up for himself, so he's subconsciously been manipulating people instead. Like Morty pointed out two episodes ago, if Jerry REALLY wanted his family back, he should have fought for them, not just stood in the driveway and hoped they'd come running back to him.
Boy, that episode was one of the worst. Just felt like 50% stuff we've already covered (Rick is bad, Jerry is pathetic), and 48% filler (characters coming from nowhere, and disappearing just as quickly). The 2% was for Morty continuing to grow and become more competent at dealing with things, which is a character arc I'm enjoying.
You are Ricked inside or something. This was a neat set of pairings we rarely see and it explored why characters act how they do and calls them on it.
And it was hilarious
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Basically the moral of the story is: Fuck Rick & Beth!
I thought it was more Fuck Everyone Except Maybe Morty Who Atleast Tries to Fix Things. Everyone else are massive piles of neuroses, codependence and issues that they dont want to solve because admitting what a bad person you are is too painful for the ego.
I think I enjoyed it more than the last one, but I'm still not liking the now apparently required weekly flimsy and bitter explicit psych analyses, nor the absurd level they've taken Rick's hypercompetence this season. Car battery episode, he spent weeks and was still messing around with sticks and stones. Gazorpazorp, at complete mercy to random primative(ish) aliens. Purge episode, one grenade and some tic tacs and then bluffing/fleeing until he could cobble together a radio. This season, instead of out-thinking whatever he's up against, every episode, a length of floss, a quick cut, and he's put together a random super weapon.
I don't know, he had to fight like hell when he was a pickle and the episode did a good job of towing the line between giving Rick too much of a cop out (another serum or being able to get to another invention in the garage) and too much helplessness (which would also make for a far less exciting episode).
Basically the moral of the story is: Fuck Rick & Beth!
I thought it was more Fuck Everyone Except Maybe Morty Who Atleast Tries to Fix Things. Everyone else are massive piles of neuroses, codependence and issues that they dont want to solve because admitting what a bad person you are is too painful for the ego.
And Morty's like the only one who is learning anything at all, along with the character growth. He's gonna be a super adventurer after just a few more years of this "crazy situations" bootcamp. Already has the greatest threat to the universe (drunk Riiiiick) figured out.
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Man, how cool would it be to be a cyborg with a portal gun in your arm? Now that they've established he's a 'frickin borg they could go to some cool places with that.
Certainly it makes him so he's probably never going to be as helpless/low-tech as Pickle-Rick etc again.
Probably was just a one-time thing that won't get shown or mentioned again though, kinda makes him too powerful.
Man, how cool would it be to be a cyborg with a portal gun in your arm? Now that they've established he's a 'frickin borg they could go to some cool places with that.
Certainly it makes him so he's probably never going to be as helpless/low-tech as Pickle-Rick etc again.
Probably was just a one-time thing that won't get shown or mentioned again though, kinda makes him too powerful.
If it is ever mentioned again, I'm guessing it'll be just long enough to say that Rick took them out because when he had them in he got drugged up and had to take shit from Jerry.
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Rick's dangerous class C or above cybernetic enhancements were dope.
Was anyone else creeped out by them? The sub-dermal nano-shield thing from last week was cool, but it really threw me off how much of a cyborg it turns out Rick is. Guess it explains how someone his age is so agile and combat-capable.
I think it really hit me what was bugging me about this show's treatment of Jerry.
Yes, for the majority of the show Jerry's been pathetic and hasn't done much for himself. And both Morty and Rick have, in two separate episodes, said Jerry needs to man up. When Jerry fights back by biting that alien, it's treated as a big win.
However, the way Jerry is depicted in the show is the same as that as someone who is clinically depressed. Depression doesn't have to mean a person is sad, it could also mean that the person has lost all motivation and doesn't know how to come out of it. In this kind of mindset, simply telling someone to "man up" isn't just unhelpful, it's the same unhelpful garbage that's been thrown on clinically depressed people for decades instead of getting them the help they need. Not everyone can just decide to not be depressed. It's the same sort of toxic masculinity that has contributed to higher suicides and drug use in the military. Don't actually confront your feelings and admit you're depressed, be a man.
Granted, Rick said Jerry has adapted being pathetic as an identity to get people to do things for him. Which may be what the writers are aiming for, but they really haven't done a great job of showing it. In fact the universe calling Jerry a loser could very easily be taken as his depression talking to him. And the moment Beth kicked Jerry out. Characters keep saying Jerry should declare his love for Beth, but he already did that. Moments before that happened, Jerry and Beth had that loving, tearful moment where they said they loved each other and wanted to be with each other. Rick shows up and Beth immediately drops interest. Jerry decides to stand up for himself and make Beth choose between him or Rick. Beth chooses Rick. What the hell else was Jerry supposed to do in that moment? Rick is such a smothering force of nature that any further yelling or fighting would have been futile or caused Rick to fuse Jerry's butt on an alien or something. Standing up for himself didn't work, so learned helplessness kicks in.
Man, how cool would it be to be a cyborg with a portal gun in your arm? Now that they've established he's a 'frickin borg they could go to some cool places with that.
Certainly it makes him so he's probably never going to be as helpless/low-tech as Pickle-Rick etc again.
Probably was just a one-time thing that won't get shown or mentioned again though, kinda makes him too powerful.
I'm pretty sure those weren't Rick's augments, and that he was just as surprised as us when he used them.
I think Rick was wrong on Beth having options as Rick's daughter. In every universe we've seen she's either married to Jerry, dead, or that one where she wasn't with Jerry, she was a higher class of surgeon but miserable.
Wonder what's happening in that one universe where she remarried.
Man, how cool would it be to be a cyborg with a portal gun in your arm? Now that they've established he's a 'frickin borg they could go to some cool places with that.
Certainly it makes him so he's probably never going to be as helpless/low-tech as Pickle-Rick etc again.
Probably was just a one-time thing that won't get shown or mentioned again though, kinda makes him too powerful.
I'm pretty sure those weren't Rick's augments, and that he was just as surprised as us when he used them.
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Man, how cool would it be to be a cyborg with a portal gun in your arm? Now that they've established he's a 'frickin borg they could go to some cool places with that.
Certainly it makes him so he's probably never going to be as helpless/low-tech as Pickle-Rick etc again.
Probably was just a one-time thing that won't get shown or mentioned again though, kinda makes him too powerful.
I'm pretty sure those weren't Rick's augments, and that he was just as surprised as us when he used them.
I think it really hit me what was bugging me about this show's treatment of Jerry.
Yes, for the majority of the show Jerry's been pathetic and hasn't done much for himself. And both Morty and Rick have, in two separate episodes, said Jerry needs to man up. When Jerry fights back by biting that alien, it's treated as a big win.
However, the way Jerry is depicted in the show is the same as that as someone who is clinically depressed. Depression doesn't have to mean a person is sad, it could also mean that the person has lost all motivation and doesn't know how to come out of it. In this kind of mindset, simply telling someone to "man up" isn't just unhelpful, it's the same unhelpful garbage that's been thrown on clinically depressed people for decades instead of getting them the help they need. Not everyone can just decide to not be depressed. It's the same sort of toxic masculinity that has contributed to higher suicides and drug use in the military. Don't actually confront your feelings and admit you're depressed, be a man.
Granted, Rick said Jerry has adapted being pathetic as an identity to get people to do things for him. Which may be what the writers are aiming for, but they really haven't done a great job of showing it. In fact the universe calling Jerry a loser could very easily be taken as his depression talking to him. And the moment Beth kicked Jerry out. Characters keep saying Jerry should declare his love for Beth, but he already did that. Moments before that happened, Jerry and Beth had that loving, tearful moment where they said they loved each other and wanted to be with each other. Rick shows up and Beth immediately drops interest. Jerry decides to stand up for himself and make Beth choose between him or Rick. Beth chooses Rick. What the hell else was Jerry supposed to do in that moment? Rick is such a smothering force of nature that any further yelling or fighting would have been futile or caused Rick to fuse Jerry's butt on an alien or something. Standing up for himself didn't work, so learned helplessness kicks in.
You're missing the point a little, it's not JUST Jerry's fault, he just gets the worst of it because he's the one who is the least assertive. Beth and Rick get their share of the blame too, which they do show. Just in the Pickle episode, where Beth and Rick just blow off any further family therapy even though both Morty and Summer want to keep going, and the therapist accuratly pointed out their respective flaws. They just didnt want to acknowledge any of it because their dysfunctional relationship is too difficult to deal with.
As for what Jerry is supposed to do, he's supposed to stop collapsing into a pile of urine and tears every time he's faced with an obstacle. Jerry of Chronenberg Earth is the same person as this Jerry, yet somehow managed to stop being a gigantic load when the mutants overran the planet. What did Jerry do when the Empire took over? He became a QUISLING!
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Versus what? I'm all for Kill the Alien, Burn the Heretic, Purge the Unclean as any other Emperor-fearing citizen but what specifically could Jerry do at that point? The bugs have guns too, they're not just mantises or monsters that probably don't understand their bodies fully (teenagers joke here).
As for what Jerry is supposed to do, he's supposed to stop collapsing into a pile of urine and tears every time he's faced with an obstacle. Jerry of Chronenberg Earth is the same person as this Jerry, yet somehow managed to stop being a gigantic load when the mutants overran the planet. What did Jerry do when the Empire took over? He became a QUISLING!
Jerry is one of the "nice" people who believes in The System. The Police are there for you when things go bad and you need somebody to deal with Bad Guys. The Government knows what it's doing. There are Rules for life. Jerry tries his best to play by those Rules, and even though he can't be assertive he knows that he deserves whatever treatment he gets because that's what The System does to people like him. When The System goes away - completely goes away, like in Cronenberg world - Jerry finally takes charge and manages to take care of himself and his family. In the absence of Rules, Jerry faces the world and thrives.
I think in a Mad Max situation, Jerry would be fine on his own (or with the Smiths) out in the middle of nowhere, but the moment some would-be warlord pushes in and asserts that, no, I'm in charge, Jerry will step out of the way. Because now there are Rules again.
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That only makes like 52% though?
Like your 48% new characters fits inside your 50% Jerry & Rick.
The other 50% is Beth & Morty (& Summer), which didn't really have any new characters.
I don't know, I thought Beth, Morty and Jerry all had some good interpersonal moments in the story, whilst Rick was Rick is Rick will be Rick.
And this episode was nowhere near last week's level of 'new characters of the week show up and try to make us care about them'.
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I thought the intro segment (after the title) nailed that pretty well.
Not sure that you could get away with taking that line between Rick and Jerry repeatedly though.
The episode was great.
Like, I really appreciate the fact that the show isn't too good for that kind of juvenile humor, because I still totally laugh my ass off at it.
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One of my favorite episodes for this season. I liked that all characters involved showed a bit of spine, and they all seemed like themselves. Particularly enjoyed Mortys ominous 'Your smore is burning' line.
Everything else feels too razzle-dazzley and familiar for me to care too strongly one way or another.
I'm thinking that the moment
Its also why he cares sometimes, but at other times just seems to think its all just worthless nonsense, or why he seems to genuinely cut loose and party sometimes. He doesn't want to die, or to have his friends and family die, since they are real to him. But he knows, that even though it seems like he can escape and go wherever he wants, he can simply be destroyed by us at any time. He, and everyone around him, is fake. But they are all equally real within their own perspective.
I think that the show is focused on not turning out like a canon-less adventure-of-the-week show, and deliberately has shown how previous adventures are canon and have dramatically affected them as characters (with the possible exception of Rick) - every member of the family has evolved (and not really reverted) as the show has gone on and I think that will continue
Actually now I hope that Summer's newfound and alarmingly eager desire to use Rick's inventions without real considerations (as shown throughout this season) will result in some particularly interesting changes for her this season
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
You are Ricked inside or something. This was a neat set of pairings we rarely see and it explored why characters act how they do and calls them on it.
And it was hilarious
I thought it was more Fuck Everyone Except Maybe Morty Who Atleast Tries to Fix Things. Everyone else are massive piles of neuroses, codependence and issues that they dont want to solve because admitting what a bad person you are is too painful for the ego.
And Morty's like the only one who is learning anything at all, along with the character growth. He's gonna be a super adventurer after just a few more years of this "crazy situations" bootcamp. Already has the greatest threat to the universe (drunk Riiiiick) figured out.
Certainly it makes him so he's probably never going to be as helpless/low-tech as Pickle-Rick etc again.
Probably was just a one-time thing that won't get shown or mentioned again though, kinda makes him too powerful.
If it is ever mentioned again, I'm guessing it'll be just long enough to say that Rick took them out because when he had them in he got drugged up and had to take shit from Jerry.
Was anyone else creeped out by them? The sub-dermal nano-shield thing from last week was cool, but it really threw me off how much of a cyborg it turns out Rick is. Guess it explains how someone his age is so agile and combat-capable.
Yes, for the majority of the show Jerry's been pathetic and hasn't done much for himself. And both Morty and Rick have, in two separate episodes, said Jerry needs to man up. When Jerry fights back by biting that alien, it's treated as a big win.
However, the way Jerry is depicted in the show is the same as that as someone who is clinically depressed. Depression doesn't have to mean a person is sad, it could also mean that the person has lost all motivation and doesn't know how to come out of it. In this kind of mindset, simply telling someone to "man up" isn't just unhelpful, it's the same unhelpful garbage that's been thrown on clinically depressed people for decades instead of getting them the help they need. Not everyone can just decide to not be depressed. It's the same sort of toxic masculinity that has contributed to higher suicides and drug use in the military. Don't actually confront your feelings and admit you're depressed, be a man.
Granted, Rick said Jerry has adapted being pathetic as an identity to get people to do things for him. Which may be what the writers are aiming for, but they really haven't done a great job of showing it. In fact the universe calling Jerry a loser could very easily be taken as his depression talking to him. And the moment Beth kicked Jerry out. Characters keep saying Jerry should declare his love for Beth, but he already did that. Moments before that happened, Jerry and Beth had that loving, tearful moment where they said they loved each other and wanted to be with each other. Rick shows up and Beth immediately drops interest. Jerry decides to stand up for himself and make Beth choose between him or Rick. Beth chooses Rick. What the hell else was Jerry supposed to do in that moment? Rick is such a smothering force of nature that any further yelling or fighting would have been futile or caused Rick to fuse Jerry's butt on an alien or something. Standing up for himself didn't work, so learned helplessness kicks in.
I'm pretty sure those weren't Rick's augments, and that he was just as surprised as us when he used them.
Wonder what's happening in that one universe where she remarried.
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This is a really good point
You're missing the point a little, it's not JUST Jerry's fault, he just gets the worst of it because he's the one who is the least assertive. Beth and Rick get their share of the blame too, which they do show. Just in the Pickle episode, where Beth and Rick just blow off any further family therapy even though both Morty and Summer want to keep going, and the therapist accuratly pointed out their respective flaws. They just didnt want to acknowledge any of it because their dysfunctional relationship is too difficult to deal with.
As for what Jerry is supposed to do, he's supposed to stop collapsing into a pile of urine and tears every time he's faced with an obstacle. Jerry of Chronenberg Earth is the same person as this Jerry, yet somehow managed to stop being a gigantic load when the mutants overran the planet. What did Jerry do when the Empire took over? He became a QUISLING!
Jerry is one of the "nice" people who believes in The System. The Police are there for you when things go bad and you need somebody to deal with Bad Guys. The Government knows what it's doing. There are Rules for life. Jerry tries his best to play by those Rules, and even though he can't be assertive he knows that he deserves whatever treatment he gets because that's what The System does to people like him. When The System goes away - completely goes away, like in Cronenberg world - Jerry finally takes charge and manages to take care of himself and his family. In the absence of Rules, Jerry faces the world and thrives.
I think in a Mad Max situation, Jerry would be fine on his own (or with the Smiths) out in the middle of nowhere, but the moment some would-be warlord pushes in and asserts that, no, I'm in charge, Jerry will step out of the way. Because now there are Rules again.
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Was it really an AoT reference? Now that you say that specifically I can kind of see it, but that never once crossed my mind watching the episode.
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