I have a feeling Laz's ability will see a longer cooldown or if you go down and are rez'd, maybe that counts as a strike. Laz is great but in a good team even at full armor and stage 3, he can effectively whittle down that monster no matter how effective you are. Not that that's terrible, but it feels crappy to down everyone and have Laz firing off rez's just as fast as I can down them at stage 3. Just about everytime I have lost as monster, they had a Laz on the team.
It wouldn't be so bad if camo didn't also cloak downed enemies, so even if I down Laz they often toss camo or shield on him for protection.
I'd be surprised if they nerfed Lazarus, he brings so little to the table aside from that. Especially early on. He does nothing to help catch the monster and he can't really heal, a lot of the time when the team reaches the monster, if they do catch up, earlier on they're already missing health if Laz is their medic.
but Laz is so binary.
If Laz is on the field. Find him kill him.
But then Markov throws down mines soo... gg if you aint Kraken.
I've said it for pages and pages, its bullshit that a character just presses a button and completely undoes all the hard won progress of a monster gaining a strike.
I still think that once the body goes blue they should get a strike if laz revives them. That's what's bs to me, you can down somebody, camp the body, but if you don't eat it, they were just mostly dead.
There is a finite amount of meat on the map. I don't think you can realistically deny the monster reaching level 3, but you can make it harder for it to top up its armor after a team fight. Especially if it is a monster like the upcoming behemoth who has tons of potential armor.
There is a finite amount of meat on the map. I don't think you can realistically deny the monster reaching level 3, but you can make it harder for it to top up its armor after a team fight. Especially if it is a monster like the upcoming behemoth who has tons of potential armor.
This is likely to be different with the Behomouth though
How so? They've already stated in preview videos that a dwindling food supply is a very real concern for behemoths that want to fully replenish their stage 3 armor.
I don't know how to trap people beneath you while you maul them. Whenever I play, once a monster starts attacking me, I often can't get away from it, but other players escape me all the time.
If a monster stealth attacks a hunter, they'll be pinned down unless a teammate frees them.
Yup I know that. Sorry, my wording was very similiar to what a pounce is.
What I meant to say was, you know when a monster targets you, and bears down on you, clawing and clawing, and you can't seem to get away? If you try to fly, he hits you back down, and you can't get around him. I can never do that to hunters, but monsters always do that to me.
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I just had a hell of a game as Goliath. I was being tracked really effectively by their Abe and they didn't give me any room to feed. I got domed once at Stage 1 and had to juke around them to preserve armor. I know they have Laz as there are no heal beams going off. As soon as the dome fell I booked it for the far side of the map. Ate enough to evolve right as they show up and dome me again. They start whittling down my armor but I decide, fuck it and run down behind a big rock to evolve.
I come around the corner as Stage 2 (fully upgraded rock throw) and immediately down the Trapper. Dome goes down and I act like I am taking off...
As soon as Laz exposes himself to Rez Abe, I hop back into the fight. Jumpsmash+Charge to knock Laz over, Rock Throw at the Support to scatter him, and wail on Laz until he dies. Sip from my tall glass of victory as I pounce the last guy standing.
There is a finite amount of meat on the map. I don't think you can realistically deny the monster reaching level 3, but you can make it harder for it to top up its armor after a team fight. Especially if it is a monster like the upcoming behemoth who has tons of potential armor.
This is likely to be different with the Behomouth though
You'll just have to get free energy from fighting the hunters at stage 2 to do it. They said specifically if you just eat your way up there's not enough.
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I've had wildlife respawn directly on top of us (immediately after we killed it) so the "there's not enough wildlife" and "kill things to deny them" don't seem true to me.
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Laz + mines really is flat-out bullshit if you aren't lucky enough to pick Kraken. It's super-easy for the assault to make a medic-protecting minefield that the Goliath and Kraken can barely put a dent in, and Laz can handily just stand inside the field pumping out weakness-generating sniper rounds until somebody goes down. Then when you finally down somebody, it's just completely unacceptable how much damage the Monster has to take babysitting the body to make super-duper sure that Laz can't get to the guy and rez in about two seconds.
It's the sort of thing that's going to see everybody funnelled into playing only Kraken, just so they don't have to put up with every team having a near-untouchable Laz that wipes out Monster progress every 30 seconds or so.
Another difficult thing is that it basically takes AOE attacks to keep Lazarus off the downed hunter. I've had him get in, resurrect a hunter and get out in between my AOE cooldowns, while I was forced to bombard the area with my left click ranged attacks, which didn't seem to do the job, especially when he's doing it while cloaked.
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so I think the decoy ability for the wraith needs a look at. you can use it to get rid of tranq dart highlights as well as cabots dusting we can argue over whether or not the monster is op but I know that has to be a glitch.
the wraith is just so annoying to fight and I'm seeing it almost every match now.
Decoy either needs to last shorter or have a longer cooldown. I had a match where we only saw decoys, never the real deal until he was Stage 3/full armor. Even my friend who just started playing today was like "Wow so decoy seems broken". And we were playing against an AI monster!
Wraith is definitely powerful in most situations, though it is the only monster I think is actually worse at tier 3 than tier 2. A lot of the greatness of wraith is lost once the hunters can defend.
I di hope they do some balance changes after a few months once the player base has had a chance to balance itself.
Re: Laz being a pita:
I always put at least two ticks into fire breath w/ Goliath ASAP. It does plenty of damage, but more importantly if Laz tries to go invisible while on fire, you can still see him pretty well. That allows you to just FF on him real hard. And then make sure to finish the job. Don't want him getting back up.
I don't believe @Aegeri is still posting in this thread, and thus not updating the OP. I think a Mod was asking about who would take over a few pages back...not sure what happened/is happening.
so I think the decoy ability for the wraith needs a look at. you can use it to get rid of tranq dart highlights as well as cabots dusting we can argue over whether or not the monster is op but I know that has to be a glitch.
the wraith is just so annoying to fight and I'm seeing it almost every match now.
I think the highlight will stay on if its duration is longer than the decoy. At least that's how it works with Abe's tracking darts.
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Ah hell. Just got home from work and the game can't sync my save on the one.... I most definitely have not played it on multiple consoles, anyone else with these issues?
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Mine usage really is putting Markov further and further ahead as "the only assault you need".
I don't think they should nerf mines. But I do think they should take any drawbacks off Hyde's and Parnell's abilities.
Yeah, Markov's mines are just the shit. Hyde is still competitive because his stink bombs are good zoning tools and with a little crowd control his flamethrower is great. That slow on the stink bombs is killer though. Parnell just can't compete IMO - he lacks any zoning or area denial. I've always been disappointed by Parnell personally.
I had a blast with a friend tonight just running Markov/Bucket. You can make any area very unsafe in about 15 seconds. Bucket with the damage perk does upwards of 8000 damage just from his turrets in a decent length game. That's Assault territory right there. With Bucketov (Barkov?) your sentries are constantly telling the monster to run away, and the mines want the monster to be moving quickly and carelessly. Bucketov has a good tracking tool for early catches that will just mincemeat a low stage monster; and the duo is absolutely ready for a Relay throwdown as well. IMO Barkov is one of the strongest duos in the game.
I want to test Maggie, Caira, Bucket, Markov. The Maggie/Caira duo are an unreal chasing team and they have the anti-sneak to flush a monster out and into Bucket's UAV. Plus those two are also pretty good for a Stage 3 Relay ending.
Yeah, Markov's mines are just the shit. Hyde is still competitive because his stink bombs are good zoning tools and with a little crowd control his flaemthrower is great. But Parnell just can't compete IMO - he lacks any zoning or area denial. I've always been disappointed by Parnell personally.
I had a blast with a friend tonight just running Markov/Bucket. You can make any area a very unsafe place in about 15 seconds. Bucket with the damage perk does upwards of 8000 damage just from his mines in a decent length game. That's Assault territory right there. With Bucketov (Barkov?) your sentries are constantly telling the monster to run away, and the mines want the monster to be moving quickly and carelessly.
Yeah, saw the Butketov used last night on stream to "out cheese" the cheese of the Wraith. They simply stopped chasing him. Let him get rank 3 and then set up a killzone of mines and turrets that the wraith had to come into.
Half of Wraith's late game power is her extreme ability to get early game pick-offs and strikes*. I'm going to try talk my friends into casually and carefully track Wraiths from now on. Nip at their heels, shoot them, keep tracks on, slow down their staging up so the end game timer is a looming threat. Always stick together. Never dome unless wraith commits to a fight and begins to lose health. Just stay healthy and ready for the stage 3 endgame.
* I think this is why I thought/think Wraith is such a pubstomper. Wraith can capitalise on a single Hunter lollygagging about - either with easy strikes or setting up a 3 man fight within seconds.
Had a friend gift a copy of Evolve to me on Steam yesterday.
Let me just say that Evolve is a really great game that was way way overmarketed. I wasn't going to get it because I felt like getting the base version meant I would be getting a less than complete game and that was all due to the marketing of the different version/skins/bonuses.
I had a match where I destroyed the power relay as Goliath last night that was truly epic. It came down to the wire and I threw my fists in the air and cheered when the Win splash screen came up. I haven't had that reaction to a game in a long time.
The base game is all anyone needs and feels complete. I just hate that all the advertising and marketing made it seem that that wasn't the case.
Had a friend gift a copy of Evolve to me on Steam yesterday.
Let me just say that Evolve is a really great game that was way way overmarketed. I wasn't going to get it because I felt like getting the base version meant I would be getting a less than complete game and that was all due to the marketing of the different version/skins/bonuses.
I had a match where I destroyed the power relay as Goliath last night that was truly epic. It came down to the wire and I threw my fists in the air and cheered when the Win splash screen came up. I haven't had that reaction to a game in a long time.
The base game is all anyone needs and feels complete. I just hate that all the advertising and marketing made it seem that that wasn't the case.
The reaction to their DLC / Preorder model was way overblown in a lot of discussions.
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I don't believe Aegeri is still posting in this thread, and thus not updating the OP. I think a Mod was asking about who would take over a few pages back...not sure what happened/is happening.
I am actually waiting to get my own copy of the game and then maybe a PS4 to play it.
Maybe
In any event, I will add the PA group to the OP for everyone!
Ok yeah. A big part of beating Wraith is not to give her silly pick-offs before the Relay battle. There will almost always be a relay battle, and you want time and full hp on your side. So don't be in a huge rush to catch Wraith early. It's good if you can, but if the choice is between an awkward fight and letting her go, let her get away every time. You'll win in the end.
You want to chase her long enough that the timer is a serious threat too. That way Wraith can't fuck around trying to get pick-offs at the relay either.
Ok yeah. A big part of beating Wraith is not to give her silly pick-offs before the Relay battle. There will almost always be a relay battle, and you want time and full hp on your side. So don't be in a huge rush to catch Wraith early. It's good if you can, but if the choice is between an awkward fight and letting her go, let her get away every time. You'll win in the end.
You want to chase her long enough that the timer is a serious threat too. That way Wraith can't fuck around trying to get pick-offs at the relay either.
Also, Markov's mines are still the shit.
Also, once you reach that point, don't plink at the Wraith as she tries to line up abducts, because you're going to pause the timer without actually doing much to the Wraith. Unless you can cause some serious damage to her, it's better to let the timer run than hit her full armor with your smg or whatever.
Had a friend gift a copy of Evolve to me on Steam yesterday.
Let me just say that Evolve is a really great game that was way way overmarketed. I wasn't going to get it because I felt like getting the base version meant I would be getting a less than complete game and that was all due to the marketing of the different version/skins/bonuses.
I had a match where I destroyed the power relay as Goliath last night that was truly epic. It came down to the wire and I threw my fists in the air and cheered when the Win splash screen came up. I haven't had that reaction to a game in a long time.
The base game is all anyone needs and feels complete. I just hate that all the advertising and marketing made it seem that that wasn't the case.
The reaction to their DLC / Preorder model was way overblown in a lot of discussions.
That's because they botched the messaging with a lot of way-too-complicated pre-order options. What they should have done is made a single standalone Season Pass with all the planned hunters/monsters, and leave it out of the pre-order entirely, or maybe bundle it in with a single special edition. That's a familiar model used by lots of games. Instead they tried to get clever with it, and people were so confused by the official messaging that they bought in to the rumors instead.
Is it a certain fact that if you eat a Hunter's body, Lazarus can't raise the corpse anymore? Because I downed the Assault as Goliath, ate him, got the full armor from him and ate the whole two blue bars, and then 10 seconds later I'm off fighting the Trapper and I see "Assault Raised" and Lazarus is running away from the spot and Parnell is firing rockets at me again.
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I still think that once the body goes blue they should get a strike if laz revives them. That's what's bs to me, you can down somebody, camp the body, but if you don't eat it, they were just mostly dead.
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This is likely to be different with the Behomouth though
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Yup I know that. Sorry, my wording was very similiar to what a pounce is.
What I meant to say was, you know when a monster targets you, and bears down on you, clawing and clawing, and you can't seem to get away? If you try to fly, he hits you back down, and you can't get around him. I can never do that to hunters, but monsters always do that to me.
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I come around the corner as Stage 2 (fully upgraded rock throw) and immediately down the Trapper. Dome goes down and I act like I am taking off...
As soon as Laz exposes himself to Rez Abe, I hop back into the fight. Jumpsmash+Charge to knock Laz over, Rock Throw at the Support to scatter him, and wail on Laz until he dies. Sip from my tall glass of victory as I pounce the last guy standing.
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You'll just have to get free energy from fighting the hunters at stage 2 to do it. They said specifically if you just eat your way up there's not enough.
My steam friends from the Armadeddon days were all under the assumption that there just wasn't a group for it, and we need some more players so we can actually get some full teams together. Thank you!
It's the sort of thing that's going to see everybody funnelled into playing only Kraken, just so they don't have to put up with every team having a near-untouchable Laz that wipes out Monster progress every 30 seconds or so.
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the wraith is just so annoying to fight and I'm seeing it almost every match now.
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I di hope they do some balance changes after a few months once the player base has had a chance to balance itself.
I always put at least two ticks into fire breath w/ Goliath ASAP. It does plenty of damage, but more importantly if Laz tries to go invisible while on fire, you can still see him pretty well. That allows you to just FF on him real hard. And then make sure to finish the job. Don't want him getting back up.
I think the highlight will stay on if its duration is longer than the decoy. At least that's how it works with Abe's tracking darts.
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I don't think they should nerf mines. But I do think they should take any drawbacks off Hyde's and Parnell's abilities.
I had a blast with a friend tonight just running Markov/Bucket. You can make any area very unsafe in about 15 seconds. Bucket with the damage perk does upwards of 8000 damage just from his turrets in a decent length game. That's Assault territory right there. With Bucketov (Barkov?) your sentries are constantly telling the monster to run away, and the mines want the monster to be moving quickly and carelessly. Bucketov has a good tracking tool for early catches that will just mincemeat a low stage monster; and the duo is absolutely ready for a Relay throwdown as well. IMO Barkov is one of the strongest duos in the game.
I want to test Maggie, Caira, Bucket, Markov. The Maggie/Caira duo are an unreal chasing team and they have the anti-sneak to flush a monster out and into Bucket's UAV. Plus those two are also pretty good for a Stage 3 Relay ending.
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Yeah, saw the Butketov used last night on stream to "out cheese" the cheese of the Wraith. They simply stopped chasing him. Let him get rank 3 and then set up a killzone of mines and turrets that the wraith had to come into.
* I think this is why I thought/think Wraith is such a pubstomper. Wraith can capitalise on a single Hunter lollygagging about - either with easy strikes or setting up a 3 man fight within seconds.
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Let me just say that Evolve is a really great game that was way way overmarketed. I wasn't going to get it because I felt like getting the base version meant I would be getting a less than complete game and that was all due to the marketing of the different version/skins/bonuses.
I had a match where I destroyed the power relay as Goliath last night that was truly epic. It came down to the wire and I threw my fists in the air and cheered when the Win splash screen came up. I haven't had that reaction to a game in a long time.
The base game is all anyone needs and feels complete. I just hate that all the advertising and marketing made it seem that that wasn't the case.
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The reaction to their DLC / Preorder model was way overblown in a lot of discussions.
I am actually waiting to get my own copy of the game and then maybe a PS4 to play it.
Maybe
In any event, I will add the PA group to the OP for everyone!
You want to chase her long enough that the timer is a serious threat too. That way Wraith can't fuck around trying to get pick-offs at the relay either.
Also, Markov's mines are still the shit.
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Also, once you reach that point, don't plink at the Wraith as she tries to line up abducts, because you're going to pause the timer without actually doing much to the Wraith. Unless you can cause some serious damage to her, it's better to let the timer run than hit her full armor with your smg or whatever.
That's because they botched the messaging with a lot of way-too-complicated pre-order options. What they should have done is made a single standalone Season Pass with all the planned hunters/monsters, and leave it out of the pre-order entirely, or maybe bundle it in with a single special edition. That's a familiar model used by lots of games. Instead they tried to get clever with it, and people were so confused by the official messaging that they bought in to the rumors instead.
Pretty much gave up after that shit.
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A) chasing a Wraith around the map for 15 minutes, completely unable to catch up or dome it at any time without Abe + Val
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Only have one match so far with him and was a little underwhelmed as well, seems like mines do way more damage than whatever extra shots you get