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Did you guys talk about the new power girl? She's a 17 year old African-american super genius already working on her post doc.
Its been stated before but if they want comics to be more diverse (and why not)- one would think its more meaningful if these new characters had their own identity.
I still love Peegee- So this vexxes me so. Supposedly she will be in another book in earth 2.
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Chief Wiggum: "Ladies, please. All our founding fathers, astronauts, and World Series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine."
Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succedding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
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Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succeeding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
Fair enough, but I would submit that there is always room for well written new stuff. May be a much harder road but it can be done.
And comics are stuck in the mud... I would submit most legacy chars get bumped by the og after time. So you are starting the char from somewhere temporary- vs building her to something.
It just stinks when its 'your' legacy character getting the bump on down the line- whatever the reason.
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Chief Wiggum: "Ladies, please. All our founding fathers, astronauts, and World Series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine."
Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succeeding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
Fair enough, but I would submit that there is always room for well written new stuff. May be a much harder road but it can be done.
And comics are stuck in the mud... I would submit most legacy chars get bumped by the og after time. So you are starting the char from somewhere temporary- vs building her to something.
It just sucks when its 'your' legacy character getting the bump on down the line- whatever the reason.
There are exceptions, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were legacies to the original Green Lantern and Flash.
Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succedding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
Besides, it's not like Kara Powergirl doesn't exist. She just went back to Earth-2. And she personally handed the name down to her former assistant (and super strength apparently).
Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succeeding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
Fair enough, but I would submit that there is always room for well written new stuff. May be a much harder road but it can be done.
And comics are stuck in the mud... I would submit most legacy chars get bumped by the og after time. So you are starting the char from somewhere temporary- vs building her to something.
It just sucks when its 'your' legacy character getting the bump on down the line- whatever the reason.
There are exceptions, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were legacies to the original Green Lantern and Flash.
Anyone think that the longer comics go on for, the harder it is for new characters, especially legacy characters, to get established? Since they just have so much more history to live up to?
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Lack of internet in the 1950's, coupled with the fact that their golden age counterparts had been out of print for years, means that to their intended audience, Hal and Barry were new characters.
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Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succeeding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
Fair enough, but I would submit that there is always room for well written new stuff. May be a much harder road but it can be done.
And comics are stuck in the mud... I would submit most legacy chars get bumped by the og after time. So you are starting the char from somewhere temporary- vs building her to something.
It just sucks when its 'your' legacy character getting the bump on down the line- whatever the reason.
There are exceptions, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were legacies to the original Green Lantern and Flash.
Anyone think that the longer comics go on for, the harder it is for new characters, especially legacy characters, to get established? Since they just have so much more history to live up to?
I think that is part of it. I also think marvel/dc dont have the patience for it. It takes effort and time.
there were something like 4 new minority characters in the last dc reboot and all of them are just kinda bookless and around at this point.
Has DC ever done something like the marvel ultimate universe's original vision (ie a side story universe in an ongoing where death is final?)? just wondering.
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Chief Wiggum: "Ladies, please. All our founding fathers, astronauts, and World Series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine."
Because legacies are an important part of comics mythos, so it always mean something when someone takes a mantle of an established hero, even more so when it's a minority character.
Also original characters already have a hard time succeeding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
Fair enough, but I would submit that there is always room for well written new stuff. May be a much harder road but it can be done.
And comics are stuck in the mud... I would submit most legacy chars get bumped by the og after time. So you are starting the char from somewhere temporary- vs building her to something.
It just sucks when its 'your' legacy character getting the bump on down the line- whatever the reason.
There are exceptions, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were legacies to the original Green Lantern and Flash.
Anyone think that the longer comics go on for, the harder it is for new characters, especially legacy characters, to get established? Since they just have so much more history to live up to?
I think that is part of it. I also think marvel/dc dont have the patience for it. It takes effort and time.
there were something like 4 new minority characters in the last dc reboot and all of them are just kinda bookless and around at this point.
Has DC ever done something like the marvel ultimate universe's original vision (ie a side story universe in an ongoing where death is final?)? just wondering.
Marvel's been supporting its female legacies - Carol Danvers transition to Captain Marvel has been a success (and I see her skipping Ms. Marvel straight to Captain Marvel when she's in the MCU) and Kamala Kahn speaks for herself as Ms. Marvel. I don't recall DC doing anything similar to this recently with legacies, they've gone backward.
Just out of curiosity, is anyone still picking up Earth 2? I have been, but I'm quite a bit behind on it, and I've got no intention of reading the weekly, so I'm considering jumping off. November's solicits make it sound like Earth 2 and World's Finest are both going to be flashback titles for the duration of the weekly.
Also, Future's End is in the high 30K range and still falling rapidly, while Batman Eternal has leveled off at around 60K. I can't imagine an Earth 2 weekly being sustainable at all given the market responses to Future's End. They're about to publish a weekly that will likely be within their typical cancellation range within a month or so of debuting.
Are you going to keep reading Earth 2 during the weekly, or pick up the World's End Earth 2 weekly when it starts, though? It seems the regular Earth 2 monthly will be covering side stories/flashbacks during the Weekly's run, and Tom Taylor isn't listed as a writer on the weekly anymore, so it's all people who haven't played in that sandbox before.
I'm conflicted, because I've really enjoyed Earth 2 and I will probably enjoy it again once the event is over. I will likely also read the weekly once it's published in trade, unless it gets slammed by reviewers. But I'm tempted to stop reading Earth 2 as a monthly if it's going to be pushed to the side for 5 months.
Are you going to keep reading Earth 2 during the weekly, or pick up the World's End Earth 2 weekly when it starts, though? It seems the regular Earth 2 monthly will be covering side stories/flashbacks during the Weekly's run, and Tom Taylor isn't listed as a writer on the weekly anymore, so it's all people who haven't played in that sandbox before.
I'm conflicted, because I've really enjoyed Earth 2 and I will probably enjoy it again once the event is over. I will likely also read the weekly once it's published in trade, unless it gets slammed by reviewers. But I'm tempted to stop reading Earth 2 as a monthly if it's going to be pushed to the side for 5 months.
I'm worried. I'll pick up maybe the first few issues, but dropping Taylor from the weekly seems like a horrible idea. And the writers on the weekly aren't people I know.
With Soule leaving Red Lanterns, I hope they just cancel the book. Let him use his last few issues after Godhead to bring Guy back to the Green and let Guy co-star in Corps again with John. Although, on second thought, I don't know if Van Jensen can write a convincing Guy. I just don't want them to continue to drag out the Guy as Red storyline.
So any of this first week of Future's End tie-ins any good? I figured it'd be a good month to just skip DC all together since Villain's Month was mostly garbage to me, but I've been thinking about reading at least the ones I still read that are done by the usual creative team.
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Are there any reports yet from LCS owners about how good/bad the Future's End specials are doing in the shops? Are people buying them or skipping them? Is this a success or a total failure? Something in between?
Are there any reports yet from LCS owners about how good/bad the Future's End specials are doing in the shops? Are people buying them or skipping them? Is this a success or a total failure? Something in between?
I didn't ask directly, but the shop I used to work at still had tons and tons of 3D covers on the shelves when I stopped by over the weekend, in comparison to last year when the 3D covers were usually gone within a day or two.
I've been buying them for my normal titles just to not fuck over my shops, and also because there are a few I was legitimately interested in because they're by the regular creative team.
I'm going to purge a lot of my remaining DC titles next month, although I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do about the Lantern books. I want to drop some of them, but they're so interrelated, and the constant crossovers are wearing me down.
I asked my LCS how they've been doing and he indicated that they were doing okay. Sounds like Villain's Month last year sold more. He did say, however, that sales for the Future's End weekly have increased, possibly due to the event, and is doing better than he thought they would.
So as not to screw over my shop, I picked up Superman Unchained #8 as well as the Infinity paperback. I usually spend about $50 every month in the store, so buying Infinity evens us out since I'm not picking up my regular DC titles.
Only read Future's End Swamp Thing and it was really cool. Soule explored more of the kingdoms and it was kinda neat to expand on that a little, even if one or two doesn't make complete sense.
But I tried Detective Comics' issue and a page in was just "ugh I don't care". Hope Batman's won't elicit the same response.
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Comixology had a bunch of those Villain's Month one-shots on sale, so I bought the Parasite one. Man, that Aaron Kuder sure does draw pretty. I may have to get the TPB for his Action Comics stuff, once it comes out.
However, the Infinite Crisis digital comic remains the only thing I'm consistently buying from DC. I just love the current anti-Crisis team roster.
You've got Robo-Superman, teamed up with Necromancer Zod, and now Steampunk Lex Luthor looks to be joining the team.
And all the main characters, actually act like sensible heroes. Like, Batman actually listens to Vampire Robin and Steampunk Catwoman, when they question his decisions. He's not paranoid asshole Batman, which is lovely.
The more-or-less pre-New 52 Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold are back in Justice League 3000 #12. Turns out that Justice League 3000 doesn't take place on New 52 / Earth 0, but takes place on an Earth very similar to the pre-New 52 where at least Giffen's JLI and subsequent JLI minis are in continuity, but not all of pre-New 52 happened. Beetle, for example, was never shot in the head by Max and never died.
The more-or-less pre-New 52 Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold are back in Justice League 3000 #12. Turns out that Justice League 3000 doesn't take place on New 52 / Earth 0, but takes place on an Earth very similar to the pre-New 52 where at least Giffen's JLI and subsequent JLI minis are in continuity, but not all of pre-New 52 happened. Beetle, for example, was never shot in the head by Max and never died.
The more-or-less pre-New 52 Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold are back in Justice League 3000 #12. Turns out that Justice League 3000 doesn't take place on New 52 / Earth 0, but takes place on an Earth very similar to the pre-New 52 where at least Giffen's JLI and subsequent JLI minis are in continuity, but not all of pre-New 52 happened. Beetle, for example, was never shot in the head by Max and never died.
The more-or-less pre-New 52 Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold are back in Justice League 3000 #12. Turns out that Justice League 3000 doesn't take place on New 52 / Earth 0, but takes place on an Earth very similar to the pre-New 52 where at least Giffen's JLI and subsequent JLI minis are in continuity, but not all of pre-New 52 happened. Beetle, for example, was never shot in the head by Max and never died.
So pre-New 52 if Didio never existed?
"So, from what I can surmise, from what you’re positing, it’s like Portland’s almost an alternative universe. It’s like Gore won. The Bush administration never happened."
The more-or-less pre-New 52 Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold are back in Justice League 3000 #12. Turns out that Justice League 3000 doesn't take place on New 52 / Earth 0, but takes place on an Earth very similar to the pre-New 52 where at least Giffen's JLI and subsequent JLI minis are in continuity, but not all of pre-New 52 happened. Beetle, for example, was never shot in the head by Max and never died.
Niiiice.
As a fan of Blue Beetle, I really wish that Ted Kord's post-New 52 introduction wasn't going to be as an alternate dimension Rip Van Winkle in a failing book, that saw Kevin Maguire booted before its first issue.
But, as a DeMatteis and Giffen fan, and someone who fled DC with the New 52, I really like their approach to bringing the characters back. It's a total handwave move. It reminds me of when Giffen brought Ted back during his tenure on the Booster Gold series. He basically said, "Look, people want to see Booster and Beetle together, and this is comics, so let's just give the fans what they want."
For an industry that can be so shockingly antagonistic towards its fanbase, it's a refreshing move.
Plus, I recently heard an interesting podcast, that made the case for Justice League 3000 being Giffen and DeMatteis' hate letter to the New 52. "It's all your favorites, but they're soulless assholes lacking any history or depth!" So, that appeals to me.
THE FLASH #37
Written by ROBERT VENDITTI and VAN JENSEN
Art and cover by BRETT BOOTH and NORM RAPMUND
Variant cover by DARWYN COOKE
Retailers: This issue will arrive in stores with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
On sale DECEMBER 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
Behold the all-new, all-murderous Flash!
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"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
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THE FLASH #37
Written by ROBERT VENDITTI and VAN JENSEN
Art and cover by BRETT BOOTH and NORM RAPMUND
Variant cover by DARWYN COOKE
Retailers: This issue will arrive in stores with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
On sale DECEMBER 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
Behold the all-new, all-murderous Flash!
All murderous, you say?
Does this mean he kills everyone, or that he has no instincts but murder?
Well, he's The Flash. The second leads pretty naturally to the first, I suppose.
Interesting way to end the whole New 52 thing, I suppose.
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Its been stated before but if they want comics to be more diverse (and why not)- one would think its more meaningful if these new characters had their own identity.
I still love Peegee- So this vexxes me so. Supposedly she will be in another book in earth 2.
Also original characters already have a hard time succedding/selling, so any boost in exposure is fine.
"And now that I'm a doctor, I think I'll do some surgery..."
Aaaaaa~
Fair enough, but I would submit that there is always room for well written new stuff. May be a much harder road but it can be done.
And comics are stuck in the mud... I would submit most legacy chars get bumped by the og after time. So you are starting the char from somewhere temporary- vs building her to something.
It just stinks when its 'your' legacy character getting the bump on down the line- whatever the reason.
There are exceptions, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were legacies to the original Green Lantern and Flash.
Besides, it's not like Kara Powergirl doesn't exist. She just went back to Earth-2. And she personally handed the name down to her former assistant (and super strength apparently).
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Anyone think that the longer comics go on for, the harder it is for new characters, especially legacy characters, to get established? Since they just have so much more history to live up to?
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I think that is part of it. I also think marvel/dc dont have the patience for it. It takes effort and time.
there were something like 4 new minority characters in the last dc reboot and all of them are just kinda bookless and around at this point.
Has DC ever done something like the marvel ultimate universe's original vision (ie a side story universe in an ongoing where death is final?)? just wondering.
Marvel's been supporting its female legacies - Carol Danvers transition to Captain Marvel has been a success (and I see her skipping Ms. Marvel straight to Captain Marvel when she's in the MCU) and Kamala Kahn speaks for herself as Ms. Marvel. I don't recall DC doing anything similar to this recently with legacies, they've gone backward.
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Also, Future's End is in the high 30K range and still falling rapidly, while Batman Eternal has leveled off at around 60K. I can't imagine an Earth 2 weekly being sustainable at all given the market responses to Future's End. They're about to publish a weekly that will likely be within their typical cancellation range within a month or so of debuting.
We ask this so often, but what are they thinking?
I enjoy Earth 2. It's just enough off the beaten path: things are "so serious' but they don't forget that they're heroes.
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I'm conflicted, because I've really enjoyed Earth 2 and I will probably enjoy it again once the event is over. I will likely also read the weekly once it's published in trade, unless it gets slammed by reviewers. But I'm tempted to stop reading Earth 2 as a monthly if it's going to be pushed to the side for 5 months.
I'm worried. I'll pick up maybe the first few issues, but dropping Taylor from the weekly seems like a horrible idea. And the writers on the weekly aren't people I know.
DC is a random roundhouse these days.
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I didn't ask directly, but the shop I used to work at still had tons and tons of 3D covers on the shelves when I stopped by over the weekend, in comparison to last year when the 3D covers were usually gone within a day or two.
I've been buying them for my normal titles just to not fuck over my shops, and also because there are a few I was legitimately interested in because they're by the regular creative team.
I'm going to purge a lot of my remaining DC titles next month, although I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do about the Lantern books. I want to drop some of them, but they're so interrelated, and the constant crossovers are wearing me down.
So as not to screw over my shop, I picked up Superman Unchained #8 as well as the Infinity paperback. I usually spend about $50 every month in the store, so buying Infinity evens us out since I'm not picking up my regular DC titles.
But I tried Detective Comics' issue and a page in was just "ugh I don't care". Hope Batman's won't elicit the same response.
However, the Infinite Crisis digital comic remains the only thing I'm consistently buying from DC. I just love the current anti-Crisis team roster.
You've got Robo-Superman, teamed up with Necromancer Zod, and now Steampunk Lex Luthor looks to be joining the team.
And all the main characters, actually act like sensible heroes. Like, Batman actually listens to Vampire Robin and Steampunk Catwoman, when they question his decisions. He's not paranoid asshole Batman, which is lovely.
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The more-or-less pre-New 52 Blue Beetle (Ted) and Booster Gold are back in Justice League 3000 #12. Turns out that Justice League 3000 doesn't take place on New 52 / Earth 0, but takes place on an Earth very similar to the pre-New 52 where at least Giffen's JLI and subsequent JLI minis are in continuity, but not all of pre-New 52 happened. Beetle, for example, was never shot in the head by Max and never died.
So pre-New 52 if Didio never existed?
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"So, from what I can surmise, from what you’re positing, it’s like Portland’s almost an alternative universe. It’s like Gore won. The Bush administration never happened."
Niiiice.
As a fan of Blue Beetle, I really wish that Ted Kord's post-New 52 introduction wasn't going to be as an alternate dimension Rip Van Winkle in a failing book, that saw Kevin Maguire booted before its first issue.
But, as a DeMatteis and Giffen fan, and someone who fled DC with the New 52, I really like their approach to bringing the characters back. It's a total handwave move. It reminds me of when Giffen brought Ted back during his tenure on the Booster Gold series. He basically said, "Look, people want to see Booster and Beetle together, and this is comics, so let's just give the fans what they want."
For an industry that can be so shockingly antagonistic towards its fanbase, it's a refreshing move.
Plus, I recently heard an interesting podcast, that made the case for Justice League 3000 being Giffen and DeMatteis' hate letter to the New 52. "It's all your favorites, but they're soulless assholes lacking any history or depth!" So, that appeals to me.
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Written by ROBERT VENDITTI and VAN JENSEN
Art and cover by BRETT BOOTH and NORM RAPMUND
Variant cover by DARWYN COOKE
Retailers: This issue will arrive in stores with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
On sale DECEMBER 24 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
Behold the all-new, all-murderous Flash!
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
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Good god, DC
All murderous, you say?
Does this mean he kills everyone, or that he has no instincts but murder?
Well, he's The Flash. The second leads pretty naturally to the first, I suppose.
Interesting way to end the whole New 52 thing, I suppose.
Why I fear the ocean.