Unbelievable. This might be Didio's worst idea yet. It says a lot that no one at Warner's seems to know the comics market well enough to stop decisions like this, even after sales have been rapidly atrophying since the start of the New 52 and are back to where they were before it happened.
The problem is that Warner's is a movie studio, and they tend to look on DC Comics as just something that keeps the trademarks going on the characters until they can be used in movies or TV shows. They would probably be just as happy reprinting everything they have over and over and not create anything new.
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Mego Thor"I say thee...NAY!"Registered Userregular
I'm beginning to think that Batman + Constantine is my favorite heavy-hitter team up.
Is this a thing that really happened?
Yes, in the actually good Injustice comic. After the game mandated very start of the comic, it quickly veered off and became its own independent well written entity separate from the fighting game by a company that can't make good fighting games to save their life with the same name as the comic. The comic tells a self-contained story featuring a much greater cast from the DC Universe that existed pre-New 52 (so no Authority or Wildstorm characters) than the game ever attempted, and actually attempts to be entertaining and well-written, with good character moments, while still doing a what-if story with a high body count. The comic is in Year Three at the moment.
Year One is backdrop for the video game, and show's Superman's decent into a Villain more naturally.
Year Two is where things diverge more greatly and is where the Guardians and the Green Lantern Corps attempt to stop Superman's Dictatorship (and the Gotham PD step up).
Year Three is where John Constantine and The Spectre get involved on opposing sides.
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That looks awesome, @vagrant_winds! Only John Constantine could make Batman ride in the backseat.
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
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Yeah, I also agree that the Injustice comic is great. It went just how vagrant_winds says, they got the lousy video game story out of the way and then started doing awesome things with the setting.
One of the best Superman moments I've ever read is from Year 1, and a moment that could easily have taken place in main continuity.
So good.
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Mego Thor"I say thee...NAY!"Registered Userregular
Yeah, I also agree that the Injustice comic is great. It went just how vagrant_winds says, they got the lousy video game story out of the way and then started doing awesome things with the setting.
One of the best Superman moments I've ever read is from Year 1, and a moment that could easily have taken place in main continuity.
So good.
This is one of my go to scenes for trying to convince people to overlook the plot they were stuck building around and check out Injustice, such good character moments.
Yeah, I also agree that the Injustice comic is great. It went just how vagrant_winds says, they got the lousy video game story out of the way and then started doing awesome things with the setting.
One of the best Superman moments I've ever read is from Year 1, and a moment that could easily have taken place in main continuity.
So good.
This is one of my go to scenes for trying to convince people to overlook the plot they were stuck building around and check out Injustice, such good character moments.
I don't really like that. It seems like a much worse version of when Superman went to the Justice League about doing more in Morrison's Action Comics run. Also I would not put it in my top Superman moments as he comes across as kind of thick so the author can make a point.
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Kane Red RobeMaster of MagicArcanusRegistered Userregular
Unfortunately, Injustice could turn into the best comic story ever written, but after the garbage that was the first trade there is no way I for one am ever going to read any farther.
Unfortunately, Injustice could turn into the best comic story ever written, but after the garbage that was the first trade there is no way I for one am ever going to read any farther.
Well, that's just a silly and childish notion to have.
They all pick up a little after the end of the old DCU, working either from old storylines, or telling future stories about fan-favorite characters that got wiped out in the reboot.
Surprises include Greg Rucka on the Renee Montoya version of The Question, a Stephanie Brown Batgirl series featuring a team-up with Red Robin and Black Bat and written by a former vertigo editor, a Nightwing/Oracle series by Gail Simone, and the return of a bunch of writers from the 90s who will be picking up super old forgotten storylines from the last universe that no one really wanted to see resolved.
I'm in for The Question, I guess. The rest honestly sound pretty bad.
I don't think the odds are good at all. The New 52 will proceed as is.
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Mike Danger"Diane..."a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered Userregular
My theory (and maybe this is crazy) is that this is testing the waters for a (digital-only?) "Classic DC Universe" thing where they sell these versions of the characters as their own separate line.
Things like Lois & Clark being married, Barbara being Oracle, Stephanie being Batgirl, Wally West and his family, etc. have basically no chance of continuing past Convergence.
I suppose Renee Montoya as Question might have a chance, though since the New 52 Question has been received so poorly, but I haven't been keeping up on DC news lately so I have no idea what that version of the character is up to right now.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
The Superman, Batgirl, and Nightwing stories all sound good. Like, I generally got a smile reading that link for the first time in a long time from DC.
But man does it feel like they're just going to snuff everything out the second month with finality. When Lois is pregnant things do not go well!
I think certain characters that haven't been reintroduced in the New 52 World (Donna Troy) or have been made dramatically different in the New 52 World (Montoya Question) will somehow become stranded in the New 52.
Also, I caught up on the last couple issues of Justice League tonight, and Johns is killing it. Since Forever Evil ended, the book has been as good as anything he's ever done for DC.
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Werewolf2000adSuckers, I know exactly what went wrong.Registered Userregular
Convergence isn't going to be a continuity change/reboot. Do you really think Dido, Lee, Harras and Johns would leave something like that entirely in other peoples hands while they spend two months moving across the country? Does that really seem like something they'd do?
Conversely, if this event was just to kill off all these characters, there's no way in hell Greg Rucka would have come back to write Renee Montoya again.
I've always thought that a great introduction for Gordon Godfrey would be having him be the leader of a cult/church of El that worships Superman and/or Krypton.
Jim Lee is doing the art for the Earth X issue of Multiversity... eh, thats cool but i'm not ecstatic about it.
Cameron Stewart is perfect for a cartoonish Captain Marvel issue, Ben Oliver's desaturated humanistic style was great for just- but Jim Lee's style just doesn't seem like the right fit for an issue about Nazis.
They all sound really, really bad. Even Louise Simonson on Steel, which is a great idea in theory, is ruined by shoehorning Gen 13 into the book. I saw some stuff I'd probably read from Week 1, but I can say with certainty I won't be picking up a single one of these. Next Tuesday we'll get to see Week 3.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Superman/WW #13 was good all around, Mahnke draws the best WW and Morey stays with the nice coloring (though Mahnke draws Superman like he did old DCU Nightwing), and Major Disaster even shows up to make me remember the old Kelly/Mahnke JLA days. Sigh. More than anything Tomasi writes a nice WW, contrasting her with how she acted during the JL's first meeting fighting Parademons to now, and generally being a happy person (kept thinking Tomasi should write Captain Marvel after reading this)
WW #36 was generic, using a shock death that will probably be reversed by arc's end. It sort of does everything a comic can do to think there's more to it than about 3 pages of real story. There's a Jeph Loeb style inner monologue running in the beginning, a pointless guest appearance and fight for no reason, and then two pages of super condensed dialogue about what's going on in Diana's world up to now, followed by a cliffhanger last page. Reading it after S/WW really made it look like this was just imitating a few writing styles instead of having a consistent point. Diana is sad when needed, angry when needed because maybe Finch wanted to draw a fight, contemplative on others, etc.
It's not bad, just sub par. Really good coloring from Oback.
So, I know I just said it a few posts ago, but Johns is still on fire with Justice League right now. Part one of the Amazo virus was fantastic, and I can't wait to see where the rest of the arc goes. It really feels like Johns is finally unfettered now; like he's reestablished enough of the continuity that he can finally just run with stories instead of awkwardly pausing all the time to introduce new 52 versions of old concepts. It's finally living up to the promise of a Geoff Johns Justice League run, and the last few issues have been the best thing he's done since his GL finale. If anyone dropped out because they got tired of how inconsistent it was, you should really hop back on.
Superman/Wonder Woman. I tried the book for an issue or two when it first started, and I didn't really care for it at all. There was hardly any dialog, the use of Doomsday was a little too weird before Doomed was announced, and Daniel did everything with huge splash pages, so it was a super quick read even though it was one of DC's few $4 titles at the time. I picked up #13 today because I love Tomasi and I love Mahnke. Tomasi totally nails the voices for both characters, but I'm immediately remembering that I find their relationship really forced and unnatural, and I don't think it's very fun to read about them as a couple. I'm debating giving this one more issue; I may just revisit it down the line in trade instead.
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
Pax Americana is a dense 40 pages
I'll be dissecting it for a while
I hope the Multiversity books are going somewhere, specifically I hope they're going towards a resolution of the first issue. The synopsis for the series as a whole makes it sound like they're a bunch of concept books meant to spark new potential series - which is great and everything, but I still want to see what's become of Nix and the gang from part 1.
Every now and then DC surprises me by doing something right. In this case, Gotham by Midnight #1 is really solid and interesting. Slow, but I can deal with that. If they keep Templesmith on art, it could be amazing.
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The problem is that Warner's is a movie studio, and they tend to look on DC Comics as just something that keeps the trademarks going on the characters until they can be used in movies or TV shows. They would probably be just as happy reprinting everything they have over and over and not create anything new.
Is this a thing that really happened?
Yes, in the actually good Injustice comic. After the game mandated very start of the comic, it quickly veered off and became its own independent well written entity separate from the fighting game by a company that can't make good fighting games to save their life with the same name as the comic. The comic tells a self-contained story featuring a much greater cast from the DC Universe that existed pre-New 52 (so no Authority or Wildstorm characters) than the game ever attempted, and actually attempts to be entertaining and well-written, with good character moments, while still doing a what-if story with a high body count. The comic is in Year Three at the moment.
Year One is backdrop for the video game, and show's Superman's decent into a Villain more naturally.
Year Two is where things diverge more greatly and is where the Guardians and the Green Lantern Corps attempt to stop Superman's Dictatorship (and the Gotham PD step up).
Year Three is where John Constantine and The Spectre get involved on opposing sides.
So yes, this is a thing that has happened.
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One of the best Superman moments I've ever read is from Year 1, and a moment that could easily have taken place in main continuity.
So good.
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This is one of my go to scenes for trying to convince people to overlook the plot they were stuck building around and check out Injustice, such good character moments.
I don't really like that. It seems like a much worse version of when Superman went to the Justice League about doing more in Morrison's Action Comics run. Also I would not put it in my top Superman moments as he comes across as kind of thick so the author can make a point.
Well, that's just a silly and childish notion to have.
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They all pick up a little after the end of the old DCU, working either from old storylines, or telling future stories about fan-favorite characters that got wiped out in the reboot.
Surprises include Greg Rucka on the Renee Montoya version of The Question, a Stephanie Brown Batgirl series featuring a team-up with Red Robin and Black Bat and written by a former vertigo editor, a Nightwing/Oracle series by Gail Simone, and the return of a bunch of writers from the 90s who will be picking up super old forgotten storylines from the last universe that no one really wanted to see resolved.
I'm in for The Question, I guess. The rest honestly sound pretty bad.
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I think the odds are pretty good. This sort of sounds like Zero Hour or Infinite Crisis in that regard.
I suppose Renee Montoya as Question might have a chance, though since the New 52 Question has been received so poorly, but I haven't been keeping up on DC news lately so I have no idea what that version of the character is up to right now.
But man does it feel like they're just going to snuff everything out the second month with finality. When Lois is pregnant things do not go well!
That said, these Convergence books will be gone after this, or shuffled off into their own Ultimate-style universe.
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Also, I caught up on the last couple issues of Justice League tonight, and Johns is killing it. Since Forever Evil ended, the book has been as good as anything he's ever done for DC.
Conversely, if this event was just to kill off all these characters, there's no way in hell Greg Rucka would have come back to write Renee Montoya again.
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Cameron Stewart is perfect for a cartoonish Captain Marvel issue, Ben Oliver's desaturated humanistic style was great for just- but Jim Lee's style just doesn't seem like the right fit for an issue about Nazis.
They all sound really, really bad. Even Louise Simonson on Steel, which is a great idea in theory, is ruined by shoehorning Gen 13 into the book. I saw some stuff I'd probably read from Week 1, but I can say with certainty I won't be picking up a single one of these. Next Tuesday we'll get to see Week 3.
WW #36 was generic, using a shock death that will probably be reversed by arc's end. It sort of does everything a comic can do to think there's more to it than about 3 pages of real story. There's a Jeph Loeb style inner monologue running in the beginning, a pointless guest appearance and fight for no reason, and then two pages of super condensed dialogue about what's going on in Diana's world up to now, followed by a cliffhanger last page. Reading it after S/WW really made it look like this was just imitating a few writing styles instead of having a consistent point. Diana is sad when needed, angry when needed because maybe Finch wanted to draw a fight, contemplative on others, etc.
It's not bad, just sub par. Really good coloring from Oback.
I'll be dissecting it for a while
Superman/Wonder Woman. I tried the book for an issue or two when it first started, and I didn't really care for it at all. There was hardly any dialog, the use of Doomsday was a little too weird before Doomed was announced, and Daniel did everything with huge splash pages, so it was a super quick read even though it was one of DC's few $4 titles at the time. I picked up #13 today because I love Tomasi and I love Mahnke. Tomasi totally nails the voices for both characters, but I'm immediately remembering that I find their relationship really forced and unnatural, and I don't think it's very fun to read about them as a couple. I'm debating giving this one more issue; I may just revisit it down the line in trade instead.
I hope the Multiversity books are going somewhere, specifically I hope they're going towards a resolution of the first issue. The synopsis for the series as a whole makes it sound like they're a bunch of concept books meant to spark new potential series - which is great and everything, but I still want to see what's become of Nix and the gang from part 1.
Time to reset the counter.
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