Ultimate NES Remix: This new Nintendo 3DS game will be available in stores and in the Nintendo eShop on Nintendo 3DS on Dec. 5 at a suggested retail price of $29.99. The game features rapid-fire challenges and mashups from a selection of 16 of Nintendo’s finest 8-bit games. Regional online leaderboards will let players see how they stack up against others in their area, and Championship Mode offers a series of challenges from three different games.
I'm pretty annoyed by this one too. It feels like I just bought my 3DSXL. If it weren't for Pokemon, I'd almost be tempted to give the Vita a go. The DSi really rubbed me the wrong way as a parent and this feels exactly the same. Just new enough to be annoying.
Yeah, put me in the camp that finds Super 3DS only games to be icky. I'd almost ask them to stop bullshitting me and just market it as a completely new successor to the 3DS.
But it's not "new generation" powerful. I want them to save the successor marketing for an actual successor, and I expect the successor to be a merging of the console side with handheld side. This is probably more justified a stopgap than ever, since they're not prepared to unify both platforms just yet.
They've done this with every handheld except the GBA. GBC, DSi, and now this. I don't necessarily like the splitting of the userbase but I don't think it will be a big deal. Devs won't make a lot of New 3DS exclusive games because of the small userbase. We'll still see tons of regular 3DS games. Remember, the DSi had like 5 exclusives and generally they weren't important games.
As far as Xenoblade... eh the news isn't doing that much to me to be honest. I have it for the Wii. And though my tune may change later, right now I don't have much of a desire to play it again. I remember the sheer number of sidequests and shit that game had. I... don't think I'm up for doing it again. And as much as the game really truly is great and deserves most of the praise it gets. it is not the Nirvana that people hold it to be. Like Bravely Default, it's got some warts.
New/modified content would be enough for me to buy it.
If you're making a game and decide that you need to create a more powerful 3DS and take the risk of splitting the market base like this, then maybe your game isn't a fit for the 3DS in the first place.
I highly doubt they made the system for the game. It's probably the other way around, they were coming out with a new 3DS and wanted to have a big exclusive release to help sell it. It's not like having a new digital storefront with DSiware as a selling point, so they had to come up with an exclusive game release.
I don't know why you and others are putting the GBC in the same boat as this. That was out and out the next generation handheld, and I'm fairly sure was marketed as such. I know it can get a little murky with backwards compatibility and just how freaking long the original GB lasted (I think Pokemon came out the same year as the GBC). But it was a full generation, not a "half step".
As for the DSi... I dunno, maybe hindsight is clouding my judgement on this. Any potential split was solely due to the online store, and that never really did amount to anything at the time. And even though there were a bunch of "DSi enhanced" retail games, I'm drawing a blank on what exactly they did. The only one's I have are Pokemon, and they only amount to being able to use the more advanced wireless security of the DSi. Either way, there was no retail physical DS game that could not play on any iteration of the DS. All I can really finally say on the matter is that the DSi never bothered me with its exclusive online games. It's probably hypocritical to say in regards to this whole matter, but it's the truth.
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
I have to respectfully disagree with your last point. Maybe if there were more of these enhanced games announced? But the way this is playing out has all the feel of them needing to design the system around the game, and not the other way around.
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I think Nintendo needs to understand how incredibly dense some parents are when it comes to gaming consoles and the differences between them.
I feel so bad for the poor gamestop employees who are going to explain Nintendo's clusterfuck of a lineup to customers. It was weird enough with the 2DS, but at least you couldn't buy a game that didn't work. Now they just made that a possibility.
I don't think I'll be buying one, but that could change if mine ever breaks. I didn't buy the GBA SP2, or the DSi, or the XL versions of the DS or 3DS, so until there's a compelling reason to upgrade to this one, I think I'm ok. I did have a Gameboy Color, but that was the first Gameboy I owned. I never had the original.
I think Nintendo needs to understand how incredibly dense some parents are when it comes to gaming consoles and the differences between them.
I feel so bad for the poor gamestop employees who are going to explain Nintendo's clusterfuck of a lineup to customers. It was weird enough with the 2DS, but at least you couldn't buy a game that didn't work. Now they just made that a possibility.
You'd think after how badly they mucked up the Wii U's marketing/name, they'd be more concerned about making a very clear distinction between hardware now.
I don't know why you and others are putting the GBC in the same boat as this. That was out and out the next generation handheld, and I'm fairly sure was marketed as such. I know it can get a little murky with backwards compatibility and just how freaking long the original GB lasted (I think Pokemon came out the same year as the GBC). But it was a full generation, not a "half step".
GB was similar in power to the NES. GBA was similar in power to the SNES. GBC was absolutely a half step, unless now you want to argue that the SNES was 2 generations ahead of the NES.
Bizarre that everyone is either trying to say the GBC was not an upgrade as big as this, was "just color" like Quical said, or that it was twice the upgrade this was to an entirely new generation. Anything to avoid comparing it to this update. :P
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
You mean this game. Singular. Similarly, the DSi had very few exclusives because devs are not stupid and won't make games for a really tiny install base.
Heck, we don't even know if Xenoblade is going to be retail. Maybe it'll be digital only to avoid confusion.
I have to respectfully disagree with your last point. Maybe if there were more of these enhanced games announced? But the way this is playing out has all the feel of them needing to design the system around the game, and not the other way around.
I don't think I can respectfully disagree with you on that. I think it's completely ludicrous to think that the system was made for the game rather than the other way around. This is just how marketing works. You want to sell a new device, so you make (port!) a big exclusive for it to help sell it out of the gate.
I didn't upgrade to an XL until there was a store sale when the all black version came out in the U.S. I may wait for a sale or hardware bundle for the New 3DS, but as we learn more about its features it may be hard for me to resist getting it day 1.
I think Nintendo needs to understand how incredibly dense some parents are when it comes to gaming consoles and the differences between them.
I feel so bad for the poor gamestop employees who are going to explain Nintendo's clusterfuck of a lineup to customers. It was weird enough with the 2DS, but at least you couldn't buy a game that didn't work. Now they just made that a possibility.
You'd think after how badly they mucked up the Wii U's marketing/name, they'd be more concerned about making a very clear distinction between hardware now.
The localized name has not yet been announced. Remember that the XL is the LL in Japan. Maybe it'll be the Ultra 3DS in english-speaking territories.
I love my XL and I'll probably still snap this up immediately.
I'm not too worried about new 3DS only games. They'll probably be few and far between.
If the screen size is the same as the original model, but with better 3D, I'd be happy with the reduction in size. And now that they're going with micro-SD, maybe we'll be allowed to use bigger cards.
Gotta have some place to put all these games we're downloading even faster now.
I hope you can turn off the 3D face tracking thing because given my experience with face tracking so far I expect it to be kind of jittery and fiddly, and I have no problem holding the system still as-is.
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
You mean this game. Singular. Similarly, the DSi had very few exclusives because devs are not stupid and won't make games for a really tiny install base.
Heck, we don't even know if Xenoblade is going to be retail. Maybe it'll be digital only to avoid confusion.
Singular? No, not Singular. They just haven't mentioned which others are on the way yet.
Satoru Iwata also mentioned that several other titles are in development exclusively for the New Nintendo 3DS. These will not be playable on the old 3DS models.
Satoru Iwata also mentioned that several other titles are in development exclusively for the New Nintendo 3DS. These will not be playable on the old 3DS models.
And you're also certain of this?
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
Digital releases avoid any confusion. It's what the DSi mainly offered for its own exclusivity, and generally made the whole thing not a big deal at all.
Yeah, put me in the camp of people that think the quarter step to a new handheld is a really shitty move. I'm already hoping for a new console for myriad other reasons --- a more significant hardware upgrade and the chance of it coming with a better account infrastructure and eShop the primary ones --- and cannot get enthused about what this announcement represents, because part of it represents kicking that can down the road and I'm just waiting longer for a 3DS replacement when that's clearly not Nintendo's prerogative.
Add that on top of the market confusion aspect and I think it's a lead balloon of an announcement for me.
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Satoru Iwata also mentioned that several other titles are in development exclusively for the New Nintendo 3DS. These will not be playable on the old 3DS models.
And you're also certain of this?
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
Digital releases avoid any confusion. It's what the DSi mainly offered for its own exclusivity, and generally made the whole thing not a big deal at all.
Irrelevant to the specific point I was addressing. But given that DSiWare titles at the time were basically all throwaway mini-titles that would never have qualified for physical releases, but were ideal to promote an infant digital storefront, I highly doubt the way it played out was anywhere close to as strategic as you'd like to give them credit for.
That's not to say they couldn't go all digital for the newer games to avoid confusion, though I think that strategy would damn the whole endeavour to first party titles only. There's not a third party around that's going to want to double-hamstring their sales to digital only on a half-step console.
Awful move by Nintendo. Not even the third iteration of a system is safe from being obsolete? I can see why they did it, with the Wii U doing so poorly, they need to port its games to 3ds. But it still sucks ass for consumers.
I don't know why you and others are putting the GBC in the same boat as this. That was out and out the next generation handheld, and I'm fairly sure was marketed as such. I know it can get a little murky with backwards compatibility and just how freaking long the original GB lasted (I think Pokemon came out the same year as the GBC). But it was a full generation, not a "half step".
GB was similar in power to the NES. GBA was similar in power to the SNES. GBC was absolutely a half step, unless now you want to argue that the SNES was 2 generations ahead of the NES.
Bizarre that everyone is either trying to say the GBC was not an upgrade as big as this, was "just color" like Quical said, or that it was twice the upgrade this was to an entirely new generation. Anything to avoid comparing it to this update. :P
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
You mean this game. Singular. Similarly, the DSi had very few exclusives because devs are not stupid and won't make games for a really tiny install base.
I have to respectfully disagree with your last point. Maybe if there were more of these enhanced games announced? But the way this is playing out has all the feel of them needing to design the system around the game, and not the other way around.
I don't think I can respectfully disagree with you on that. I think it's completely ludicrous to think that the system was made for the game rather than the other way around. This is just how marketing works. You want to sell a new device, so you make (port!) a big exclusive for it to help sell it out of the gate.
When I say "half step", I'm not talking about raw power. The system doesn't have to have X more bits than the last... even though that's more or less exactly how most generations were. But the Game Boy Colour was the next full generational step up from the Game Boy. It fully replaced it on the shelf. I won't make the claim that it had games that weren't possible on the GB, because I can't honestly validate that. But the games felt bigger and better.
But here they're trying to pass it off as another minor iteration ala the XL. And put it on the same shelf as the 3DS. With its own special branch of enhanced games. And it just rubs me the wrong way.
For what it's worth, I was completely on board with the system at first. They're finally putting the circle pad in, and the triggers? Cool! They're going to have their Amibo thing built in? Makes sense, given how they're trying to push it. This is all perfectly fine, because there's still technically no split, there's nothing here you can't get with your launch 3DS (I'm kinda assuming there's going to be some Amibo thing for the regular 3DS? I honestly haven't paid real attention to the whole thing).
Oh... and it's slightly more powerful... well that's fine if it's for behind the scene stuff like web browsing. And there are now games that can only be played on it... Ugh.
Either shit or get off the pot. Don't pull this and try to keep selling it as a normal 3DS. I'd rather be angry at the 3DS only lasting ~4 years. The end result is still the same though. I'm now looking at my 3DS like it's obsolete.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Yeah, put me in the camp of people that think the quarter step to a new handheld is a really shitty move. I'm already hoping for a new console for myriad other reasons --- a more significant hardware upgrade and the chance of it coming with a better account infrastructure and eShop the primary ones --- and cannot get enthused about what this announcement represents, because part of it represents kicking that can down the road and I'm just waiting longer for a 3DS replacement when that's clearly not Nintendo's prerogative.
Add that on top of the market confusion aspect and I think it's a lead balloon of an announcement for me.
Their next device is going to unify handheld and console and the Wii U is still too new to replace. Hell, the 3DS itself is too new to replace too, it's what, only 3 years old? How long did the GB and DS last again?
People already complain that the GBA wasn't given enough of a lifespan to shine, and it lasted 2001 to 2008.
Man. "New Nintendo 3DS"? Did Nintendo learn absolutely nothing about the hubbub with the WiiU? This is going to cause so much confusion.
Also, bah. I already bought a 3DS and a 3DSXL, Nintendo, two iterations of a console that came out like three god damned years ago. I am not going to buy a 3DSi. Especially in case it ends up like the DSi, something that is not at all necessary because it's not like it has all that many games. Even now most people I meet, when searching for a secondhand DS, ask me to find them a Lite rather than an i.
Has small spec table detailing dimensions, weights, and screen sizes.
Nintendo Co., Ltd. will launch “New Nintendo 3DS” and “New Nintendo 3DS XL” on October 11, 2014 in Japan, at the suggested retail prices of 16,000 yen and 18,800 yen (prices not including consumption tax), respectively. The systems will be the newest members of the Nintendo 3DS family, the sales of which in Japan alone are estimated to already top 16 million units to date.
The new C-Stick, ZL button and ZR button, which will enhance the play controls of the existing Nintendo 3DS hardware, have been added, and the new “Super-Stable 3D” function will provide players with an even more comfortable 3D gaming experience. Furthermore, the new “NFC feature” will enable the use of the “amiibo™” on Nintendo 3DS.
As for “New Nintendo 3DS,” the LCD screens are bigger than those of the existing Nintendo 3DS, and the exterior design of the hardware can be customized simply by exchanging the “Cover Plates,” which will be sold separately.
As for the overseas markets, our local subsidiaries will separately confirm. However, there will be no U.S. and European launches this calendar year.
That seems like evidence that they might call it New Nintendo 3DS in english-speaking territories, consider they call the LL an XL in the press release, bringing the name in line with what english speakers expect. Still, it could be given a different name.
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Uh yeah...those were just as bullshit
But we're not really talking about those right now since they weren't just announced
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I don't know why you and others are putting the GBC in the same boat as this. That was out and out the next generation handheld, and I'm fairly sure was marketed as such. I know it can get a little murky with backwards compatibility and just how freaking long the original GB lasted (I think Pokemon came out the same year as the GBC). But it was a full generation, not a "half step".
As for the DSi... I dunno, maybe hindsight is clouding my judgement on this. Any potential split was solely due to the online store, and that never really did amount to anything at the time. And even though there were a bunch of "DSi enhanced" retail games, I'm drawing a blank on what exactly they did. The only one's I have are Pokemon, and they only amount to being able to use the more advanced wireless security of the DSi. Either way, there was no retail physical DS game that could not play on any iteration of the DS. All I can really finally say on the matter is that the DSi never bothered me with its exclusive online games. It's probably hypocritical to say in regards to this whole matter, but it's the truth.
Here though, they're creating that retail split. These games are going to be stacked next to regular 3DS games, and woe be to any sales employee who's going to have to deal with the confusion and anger this is going to cause among the lesser informed masses.
I have to respectfully disagree with your last point. Maybe if there were more of these enhanced games announced? But the way this is playing out has all the feel of them needing to design the system around the game, and not the other way around.
And also getting away with something 16 years ago in a different market doesn't mean you get a free pass to do it now.
I feel so bad for the poor gamestop employees who are going to explain Nintendo's clusterfuck of a lineup to customers. It was weird enough with the 2DS, but at least you couldn't buy a game that didn't work. Now they just made that a possibility.
Sooooo glad I waited on an xl now.
I'm fine with that, I don't need it immediately and I can save up a bit.
I don't think I'll be buying one, but that could change if mine ever breaks. I didn't buy the GBA SP2, or the DSi, or the XL versions of the DS or 3DS, so until there's a compelling reason to upgrade to this one, I think I'm ok. I did have a Gameboy Color, but that was the first Gameboy I owned. I never had the original.
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You'd think after how badly they mucked up the Wii U's marketing/name, they'd be more concerned about making a very clear distinction between hardware now.
GB was similar in power to the NES. GBA was similar in power to the SNES. GBC was absolutely a half step, unless now you want to argue that the SNES was 2 generations ahead of the NES.
Bizarre that everyone is either trying to say the GBC was not an upgrade as big as this, was "just color" like Quical said, or that it was twice the upgrade this was to an entirely new generation. Anything to avoid comparing it to this update. :P
You mean this game. Singular. Similarly, the DSi had very few exclusives because devs are not stupid and won't make games for a really tiny install base.
Heck, we don't even know if Xenoblade is going to be retail. Maybe it'll be digital only to avoid confusion.
I don't think I can respectfully disagree with you on that. I think it's completely ludicrous to think that the system was made for the game rather than the other way around. This is just how marketing works. You want to sell a new device, so you make (port!) a big exclusive for it to help sell it out of the gate.
The localized name has not yet been announced. Remember that the XL is the LL in Japan. Maybe it'll be the Ultra 3DS in english-speaking territories.
I'm not too worried about new 3DS only games. They'll probably be few and far between.
If the screen size is the same as the original model, but with better 3D, I'd be happy with the reduction in size. And now that they're going with micro-SD, maybe we'll be allowed to use bigger cards.
Gotta have some place to put all these games we're downloading even faster now.
Singular? No, not Singular. They just haven't mentioned which others are on the way yet.
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/08/29/xenoblade-chronicles-remake-announced-new-nintendo-3ds/
And you're also certain of this?
Digital releases avoid any confusion. It's what the DSi mainly offered for its own exclusivity, and generally made the whole thing not a big deal at all.
That's absolutely what they should do.
NewDS only games only available via super-fast download only.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a "launch title" for the New 3DS in the west next year. I'd definitely buy a New 3DS Xenoblade bundle.
No. Japan isn't either.
It should totally be called Super 3DS in the west.
Add that on top of the market confusion aspect and I think it's a lead balloon of an announcement for me.
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I am not feeling that blue
But then I did buy my 3dsxl last year so I still will wait and see
Irrelevant to the specific point I was addressing. But given that DSiWare titles at the time were basically all throwaway mini-titles that would never have qualified for physical releases, but were ideal to promote an infant digital storefront, I highly doubt the way it played out was anywhere close to as strategic as you'd like to give them credit for.
That's not to say they couldn't go all digital for the newer games to avoid confusion, though I think that strategy would damn the whole endeavour to first party titles only. There's not a third party around that's going to want to double-hamstring their sales to digital only on a half-step console.
When I say "half step", I'm not talking about raw power. The system doesn't have to have X more bits than the last... even though that's more or less exactly how most generations were. But the Game Boy Colour was the next full generational step up from the Game Boy. It fully replaced it on the shelf. I won't make the claim that it had games that weren't possible on the GB, because I can't honestly validate that. But the games felt bigger and better.
But here they're trying to pass it off as another minor iteration ala the XL. And put it on the same shelf as the 3DS. With its own special branch of enhanced games. And it just rubs me the wrong way.
For what it's worth, I was completely on board with the system at first. They're finally putting the circle pad in, and the triggers? Cool! They're going to have their Amibo thing built in? Makes sense, given how they're trying to push it. This is all perfectly fine, because there's still technically no split, there's nothing here you can't get with your launch 3DS (I'm kinda assuming there's going to be some Amibo thing for the regular 3DS? I honestly haven't paid real attention to the whole thing).
Oh... and it's slightly more powerful... well that's fine if it's for behind the scene stuff like web browsing. And there are now games that can only be played on it... Ugh.
Either shit or get off the pot. Don't pull this and try to keep selling it as a normal 3DS. I'd rather be angry at the 3DS only lasting ~4 years. The end result is still the same though. I'm now looking at my 3DS like it's obsolete.
Their next device is going to unify handheld and console and the Wii U is still too new to replace. Hell, the 3DS itself is too new to replace too, it's what, only 3 years old? How long did the GB and DS last again?
People already complain that the GBA wasn't given enough of a lifespan to shine, and it lasted 2001 to 2008.
Also, bah. I already bought a 3DS and a 3DSXL, Nintendo, two iterations of a console that came out like three god damned years ago. I am not going to buy a 3DSi. Especially in case it ends up like the DSi, something that is not at all necessary because it's not like it has all that many games. Even now most people I meet, when searching for a secondhand DS, ask me to find them a Lite rather than an i.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2014/140829.html
Has small spec table detailing dimensions, weights, and screen sizes.
Even if you don't like that they already announced with a whole new model, at least you can agree that they got that part right.