Looked up wikipedia info on the existing 3DS and XL screens and compared the screen sizes to what was in that corporate letter about the New 3DS.
The New XL versions will have same screen size as the old XL (4.88" top, 4.18" bottom).
The New Regular 3DS will have larger screen size compared to the old Regular 3DS (New is 3.88" top, 3.33" bottom compared to 3.5" top, 3.0" bottom of the existing old 3DS).
Edit:
Wikipedia is fast, they already have a section on new 3DS, don't know if it's all true though things may change:
During a Japanese Nintendo Direct presentation on August 29, 2014, Nintendo revealed two new models, known as the New Nintendo 3DS and larger sized New Nintendo 3DS LL. The most notable addition is the inclusion of a C-Stick and ZL/ZR buttons, which offer the same functionality as the Circle Pad Pro attachment. Other new additions include camera tracking for improved 3D viewing angles, brightness adjustment based on environmental lighting, and built in support for Amiibo figures (older models require a seperate peripheral). The new models also features a more powerful CPU, allowing for faster download and browsing speeds, improved battery life, larger screens, microSD card support, and the ability to transfer files wirelessly to PC. Additional, the regular-sized New Nintendo 3DS will feature customiseable panels. Certain games that make use of the New Nintendo 3DS' improved features, such as Xenoblade Chronicles, will not be compatible with older models. The systems will be released in Japan on October 10, 2014, with an international release sometime in 2015.
Man, leave it to sporky to automatically agree with anything Nintendo does, and fervently defend whatever silly move they make.
What's wrong with you? Why are you obsessed with me personally?
Have you even looked at the content of my posts? I don't think I've even said one positive thing about the new 3DS. The things I have said in order since this announcement:
- The new 3DS is not "new generation" powerful, and thus doesn't deserve "new generation" marketing
- The new 3DS is a stopgap, similar to GB -> GBC, DS -> DSi
- Given historical precedent, devs will not flock to create content for this stopgap, because they're not stupid and won't invest a lot in a tiny install base
- I'd buy the Xenoblade port if it had new content
- It's ridiculous to think that they made the system so they could port Xenoblade rather than the other way around
- Reiterating that the GBC was a half step stopgap, along with other points from above
- The localized name hasn't been announced yet, and a hope that it won't be called "new" because that's confusing
- A hope that we can turn off face tracking because it's typically fiddly
- A hope that New 3DS exclusives are all digital releases to avoid confusion
- It's too early for their next iteration, which is backed up by precedent of how long gen cycles last and continued hints that they're going unified next gen
Can you point out what's overly positive about this? Where's the automatic agreement? There's not even much opinion in there. Mostly I've called it a stopgap, which isn't a good thing, and said that I hope some silly things don't happen.
Guess this'll show me for being an early adopter of a system, having bought my 3DS XL less than a year ago, after the thing's been on the market for three years.
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New hardware is being released that is better than the old hardware.
This is not exactly a shocking new development in the tech industry.
I mean, if like the majority of games will only be playable on the New 3DS then I could kinda understand people being mad, but I really don't see it happening for too many titles.
Also, it's not like this new model is outrageously expensive - sell your old 3DS and you're probably already halfway there.
This all makes me wonder what the next Nintendo system will be. I can easily see them expanding on the wii u controller and streaming graphics from a home console, then taking that controller with you for portable gaming.
Now I'm thinking about going back to regular size, especially knowing that the screens will still be slightly bigger. Just look at the designs that will be available in Japan when it launches:
Imagine there being lots of designs from third party manufacturers as well. Or even the artistic types to simply make their own.
This all makes me wonder what the next Nintendo system will be. I can easily see them expanding on the wii u controller and streaming graphics from a home console, then taking that controller with you for portable gaming.
Yeah, I think that's what they're gonna do. Their Japan branch recently moved into a new building where their home console, portable and software divisions all work right next to each other and they've talked about doing basically what Apple does with iOS, a software interface that connects their handhelds and home consoles.
This all makes me wonder what the next Nintendo system will be. I can easily see them expanding on the wii u controller and streaming graphics from a home console, then taking that controller with you for portable gaming.
Yeah, that's been rumored for a while now, and possibly hinted at by Nintendo themselves. I didn't delve into the interviews and such myself, but it's the picture that the internet seems to be building of what their next gen might look like.
EDIT: What Maz said too, I forgot about how they all moved into the same building.
So if I buy this fancy new 3DS, which I kind of want to, is there anything that would keep me from transferring everything I have on my memory card in my old 3DS to this new one because of Nintendo's wacky tying of things to consoles instead of accounts hijinks?
The New Regular 3DS will have larger screen size compared to the old Regular 3DS (New is 3.88" top, 3.33" bottom compared to 3.5" top, 3.0" bottom of the existing old 3DS).
So it's a bit like the DS to DSi screen increase. That's cool with me, I'll all for having a bigger screen as long as the physical unit isn't much bigger.
I'm excited for this thing. By the time it releases in the US the 3DS will have been out for four years, so I'm ready for a hardware refresh.
Here's hoping NoA doesn't cock it up somehow by like not selling the custom inserts or something.
I have a used Flame Red 3DS I need to sell off (That I've needed to sell off for months now, gah.) and I'll likely sell off my Midnight Purple 3DS when the "New 3DS" drops, but I have a spare Flame Red 3DS I'm going go keep new in-box as a bit of a memento for the time being.
Man. "New Nintendo 3DS"? Did Nintendo learn absolutely nothing about the hubbub with the WiiU? This is going to cause so much confusion.
Also, bah. I already bought a 3DS and a 3DSXL, Nintendo, two iterations of a console that came out like three god damned years ago. I am not going to buy a 3DSi. Especially in case it ends up like the DSi, something that is not at all necessary because it's not like it has all that many games. Even now most people I meet, when searching for a secondhand DS, ask me to find them a Lite rather than an i.
It's not for you. This is primarily to try to bring in new customers that the 3DS hasn't been able to bring in yet.
So if I buy this fancy new 3DS, which I kind of want to, is there anything that would keep me from transferring everything I have on my memory card in my old 3DS to this new one because of Nintendo's wacky tying of things to consoles instead of accounts hijinks?
Nope.
However, apparently you can't do a system transfer from a New 3DS to one of the old models, so keep that in mind.
New hardware is being released that is better than the old hardware.
This is not exactly a shocking new development in the tech industry.
I mean, if like the majority of games will only be playable on the New 3DS then I could kinda understand people being mad, but I really don't see it happening for too many titles.
Also, it's not like this new model is outrageously expensive - sell your old 3DS and you're probably already halfway there.
Except this is not a new step, it's an improved version of the same step.
and the entire history of gaming machines has shown that this is a very stupid move
this is kinda the equivalent of invading russia by land during winter
I mean, the biggest reason for the WiiU's failure is being mistaken by exactly this, a better version of existing hardware, instead of a whole new generation.
They're taking the one platform that's kinda working and shitting it up with the mistakes they made with the WiiU, instead of doing the other way around.
People are pointing this could create a serious user base split, and you're splitting hairs about retail vs digital.
I personally like the new features as a gamer, but I find it a very bad move market-wise.
Also, they finally found a perfect place for the stylus on the new XL (under, not on top or on the right) and the back plate seems to be less creaky.
Finally, I like the colored buttons
The c-stick looks all kinds of shit though.
If you are interested in my opinions, I basically agree with you on all points.
I'm left handed so I like the stylus on the bottom instead of on the right. Back was ok for me too though.
I like customizable face plates and home screen style. I guess I could take or leave colored buttons.
The c-stick reminds me far too much of laptop nubs, it's like the bare minimum they could do for a stick. The system really ought to be symmetrical with 2 sticks the same size across from each other, though I realize that there probably isn't space in the housing for a second stick. That doesn't make the nub a good idea, though. I already have a CPP and Xenoblade so barring some particularly awesome stuff on the new system I think I want to stick with my plain old 3DS.
New hardware is being released that is better than the old hardware.
This is not exactly a shocking new development in the tech industry.
I mean, if like the majority of games will only be playable on the New 3DS then I could kinda understand people being mad, but I really don't see it happening for too many titles.
Also, it's not like this new model is outrageously expensive - sell your old 3DS and you're probably already halfway there.
Except this is not a new step, it's an improved version of the same step. and the entire history of gaming machines has shown that this is a very stupid move
this is kinda the equivalent of invading russia by land during winter
I mean, the biggest reason for the WiiU's failure is being mistaken by exactly this, a better version of existing hardware, instead of a whole new generation.
They're taking the one platform that's kinda working and shitting it up with the mistakes they made with the WiiU, instead of doing the other way around.
I mean, the biggest reason for the WiiU's failure is being mistaken by exactly this, a better version of existing hardware, instead of a whole new generation.
They're taking the one platform that's kinda working and shitting it up with the mistakes they made with the WiiU, instead of doing the other way around.
Well, it's not quite the same. The Wii U's problem is people thinking it's a peripheral for the Wii or a half-step and not recognizing that it is a generational advancement.
The new 3DS looks like a half-step and actually is a half-step, so if people think the same things about it that they do of the Wii U, they'll actually be correct this time.
GBC was a new step entirely.
I have no idea why people are reinventing history.
It was more or less the same thing, really.
An updated version of old hardware that was backwards compatible. Some of the games released after its launch were exclusive to it, others still ran on the OG Game Boy.
I mean, the biggest reason for the WiiU's failure is being mistaken by exactly this, a better version of existing hardware, instead of a whole new generation.
They're taking the one platform that's kinda working and shitting it up with the mistakes they made with the WiiU, instead of doing the other way around.
Well, it's not quite the same. The Wii U's problem is people thinking it's a peripheral for the Wii or a half-step and not recognizing that it is a generational advancement.
The new 3DS looks like a half-step and actually is a half-step, so if people think the same things about it that they do of the Wii U, they'll actually be correct this time.
That's exactly my point. The fucked up communication with the WiiU, the console no one is buying because they think it's an accessory or a half-step. That's how bad half-steps are, even the semblance of being a half-step is death.
So did the DSi, though a big part of that was the new form factor introduced with the XL.
The DSI was more like a quarter step, you could completely ignore it (as I did) and miss nothing of relevant.
The New 3DS is getting major releases, though. Unlike the DSI.
A large part on whether I get one is based how that second c-nub thing feels when I actually hold it.
I'm going to be playing a lot of MH4U and if it's even the slightest bit uncomfortable I think I'd rather stick with my original XL with my crazy third party trigger CPP.
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GBC was a new step entirely.
I have no idea why people are reinventing history.
It was more or less the same thing, really.
An updated version of old hardware that was backwards compatible. Some of the games released after its launch were exclusive to it, others still ran on the OG Game Boy.
GBC was twice as fast with 3 times the RAM, but the processor was still a Sharp LR35902. A lot of the RAM increase was for VRAM, simply to support more colors. The resolution remained the same. The maximum sprites and tiles on screen remained the same. The audio hardware was almost the same if not the exact same (2 square waves, 1 wave, 1 noise channel).
I think the strongest evidence of it being a half-step is that the resolution and button inputs remained the same as the GB. Every other handheld gen change has resulted in a higher resolution and some change to the available button inputs. GBC retains too many GB trappings to really be called anything other than a stopgap.
So did the DSi, though a big part of that was the new form factor introduced with the XL.
The DSI was more like a quarter step, you could completely ignore it (as I did) and miss nothing of relevant.
The New 3DS is getting major releases, though. Unlike the DSI.
DSiware was a really important step for Nintendo, whether you believe it was important for consumers or not. A web store for a handheld, their first handheld with user storage on SD, and of course the new XL form factor.
DSiware was their selling point, and now a port of a Wii game is the new 3DS's selling point.
You could easily ignore this release as well and play Xenoblade on the platform where it runs much better, if the trailer is any indication.
GBC was a half step, DSi was a half step, and this is a half step.
Yeah, I dunno if I'd use a port of a Wii game as a reason to buy a whole new handheld. Donkey Kong Country Returns is still best played on the Wii, and I would imagine Xenoblade Chronicles will be the same.
I'm old enough to remember when Nintendo released the Gameboy in various colours (1995) and then Gameboy Pocket (1996). Both versions sold incredibly well (or at least I couldn't believe how many people I knew at the time bought them). That was 6-7 years into the life of the GB. I don't believe either had any new features whatsoever and yet they sold really well.
Yeah, I dunno if I'd use a port of a Wii game as a reason to buy a whole new handheld. Donkey Kong Country Returns is still best played on the Wii, and I would imagine Xenoblade Chronicles will be the same.
I flippin' love the new charging cradles.
You know now that somebody is going to create a skin that turns the camera lenses into eyes. So when it's docked... it's looking at you... staring into your soul...
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I feel like we need to take a global poll or something. Because I'll bet you more people would regard the GBC as a full jump.
In people's heads, we're going from:
to
I agree that the GBC was a bigger step up than the New 3DS is probably going to be, but I still wouldn't call it a completely new generation.
(Also, you're comparing games that were literally released ten years apart. Compare some of the early PS3 games to some that are being released this year or next year - that's a huge step in graphical fidelity too that has more to do with developers becoming more familiar with the hardware they're working with)
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The New XL versions will have same screen size as the old XL (4.88" top, 4.18" bottom).
The New Regular 3DS will have larger screen size compared to the old Regular 3DS (New is 3.88" top, 3.33" bottom compared to 3.5" top, 3.0" bottom of the existing old 3DS).
Edit:
Wikipedia is fast, they already have a section on new 3DS, don't know if it's all true though things may change:
Transfer files to PC wirelessly?
What's wrong with you? Why are you obsessed with me personally?
Have you even looked at the content of my posts? I don't think I've even said one positive thing about the new 3DS. The things I have said in order since this announcement:
- The new 3DS is not "new generation" powerful, and thus doesn't deserve "new generation" marketing
- The new 3DS is a stopgap, similar to GB -> GBC, DS -> DSi
- Given historical precedent, devs will not flock to create content for this stopgap, because they're not stupid and won't invest a lot in a tiny install base
- I'd buy the Xenoblade port if it had new content
- It's ridiculous to think that they made the system so they could port Xenoblade rather than the other way around
- Reiterating that the GBC was a half step stopgap, along with other points from above
- The localized name hasn't been announced yet, and a hope that it won't be called "new" because that's confusing
- A hope that we can turn off face tracking because it's typically fiddly
- A hope that New 3DS exclusives are all digital releases to avoid confusion
- It's too early for their next iteration, which is backed up by precedent of how long gen cycles last and continued hints that they're going unified next gen
Can you point out what's overly positive about this? Where's the automatic agreement? There's not even much opinion in there. Mostly I've called it a stopgap, which isn't a good thing, and said that I hope some silly things don't happen.
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This is not exactly a shocking new development in the tech industry.
I mean, if like the majority of games will only be playable on the New 3DS then I could kinda understand people being mad, but I really don't see it happening for too many titles.
Also, it's not like this new model is outrageously expensive - sell your old 3DS and you're probably already halfway there.
Now I'm thinking about going back to regular size, especially knowing that the screens will still be slightly bigger. Just look at the designs that will be available in Japan when it launches:
Imagine there being lots of designs from third party manufacturers as well. Or even the artistic types to simply make their own.
Yeah, I think that's what they're gonna do. Their Japan branch recently moved into a new building where their home console, portable and software divisions all work right next to each other and they've talked about doing basically what Apple does with iOS, a software interface that connects their handhelds and home consoles.
Yeah, that's been rumored for a while now, and possibly hinted at by Nintendo themselves. I didn't delve into the interviews and such myself, but it's the picture that the internet seems to be building of what their next gen might look like.
EDIT: What Maz said too, I forgot about how they all moved into the same building.
It hasn't even been announced for the US, and neither has Xenoblade N3DS.
So it's a bit like the DS to DSi screen increase. That's cool with me, I'll all for having a bigger screen as long as the physical unit isn't much bigger.
I'm excited for this thing. By the time it releases in the US the 3DS will have been out for four years, so I'm ready for a hardware refresh.
Here's hoping NoA doesn't cock it up somehow by like not selling the custom inserts or something.
I have a used Flame Red 3DS I need to sell off (That I've needed to sell off for months now, gah.) and I'll likely sell off my Midnight Purple 3DS when the "New 3DS" drops, but I have a spare Flame Red 3DS I'm going go keep new in-box as a bit of a memento for the time being.
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I personally like the new features as a gamer, but I find it a very bad move market-wise.
Also, they finally found a perfect place for the stylus on the new XL (under, not on top or on the right) and the back plate seems to be less creaky.
Finally, I like the colored buttons
The c-stick looks all kinds of shit though.
It's not for you. This is primarily to try to bring in new customers that the 3DS hasn't been able to bring in yet.
It's the same reason the DSi exists.
Did the DSi split the user base?
Not as far as I can tell.
It'll be the same situation here.
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Nope.
However, apparently you can't do a system transfer from a New 3DS to one of the old models, so keep that in mind.
and the entire history of gaming machines has shown that this is a very stupid move
this is kinda the equivalent of invading russia by land during winter
I mean, the biggest reason for the WiiU's failure is being mistaken by exactly this, a better version of existing hardware, instead of a whole new generation.
They're taking the one platform that's kinda working and shitting it up with the mistakes they made with the WiiU, instead of doing the other way around.
If you are interested in my opinions, I basically agree with you on all points.
I'm left handed so I like the stylus on the bottom instead of on the right. Back was ok for me too though.
I like customizable face plates and home screen style. I guess I could take or leave colored buttons.
The c-stick reminds me far too much of laptop nubs, it's like the bare minimum they could do for a stick. The system really ought to be symmetrical with 2 sticks the same size across from each other, though I realize that there probably isn't space in the housing for a second stick. That doesn't make the nub a good idea, though. I already have a CPP and Xenoblade so barring some particularly awesome stuff on the new system I think I want to stick with my plain old 3DS.
The Game Boy Color sold pretty well, dude.
It's obviously gonna be released in the west sometime next year, especially after they announced that 60% of the game's sales came from outside Japan.
I have no idea why people are reinventing history.
Well, it's not quite the same. The Wii U's problem is people thinking it's a peripheral for the Wii or a half-step and not recognizing that it is a generational advancement.
The new 3DS looks like a half-step and actually is a half-step, so if people think the same things about it that they do of the Wii U, they'll actually be correct this time.
So did the DSi, though a big part of that was the new form factor introduced with the XL.
It was more or less the same thing, really.
An updated version of old hardware that was backwards compatible. Some of the games released after its launch were exclusive to it, others still ran on the OG Game Boy.
Indeed. The GBC was on the market for 5 years. It was a larger upgrade than just a color screen.
That's exactly my point. The fucked up communication with the WiiU, the console no one is buying because they think it's an accessory or a half-step. That's how bad half-steps are, even the semblance of being a half-step is death.
The DSI was more like a quarter step, you could completely ignore it (as I did) and miss nothing of relevant.
The New 3DS is getting major releases, though. Unlike the DSI.
I'm going to be playing a lot of MH4U and if it's even the slightest bit uncomfortable I think I'd rather stick with my original XL with my crazy third party trigger CPP.
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GBC was twice as fast with 3 times the RAM, but the processor was still a Sharp LR35902. A lot of the RAM increase was for VRAM, simply to support more colors. The resolution remained the same. The maximum sprites and tiles on screen remained the same. The audio hardware was almost the same if not the exact same (2 square waves, 1 wave, 1 noise channel).
I think the strongest evidence of it being a half-step is that the resolution and button inputs remained the same as the GB. Every other handheld gen change has resulted in a higher resolution and some change to the available button inputs. GBC retains too many GB trappings to really be called anything other than a stopgap.
I think it looks cool and I'll be buying one, but I understand people skipping the mid-generation update.
DSiware was a really important step for Nintendo, whether you believe it was important for consumers or not. A web store for a handheld, their first handheld with user storage on SD, and of course the new XL form factor.
DSiware was their selling point, and now a port of a Wii game is the new 3DS's selling point.
You could easily ignore this release as well and play Xenoblade on the platform where it runs much better, if the trailer is any indication.
GBC was a half step, DSi was a half step, and this is a half step.
I flippin' love the new charging cradles.
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In people's heads, we're going from:
to
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Yep, just a bit higher on the page. Very cool!
You know now that somebody is going to create a skin that turns the camera lenses into eyes. So when it's docked... it's looking at you... staring into your soul...
I'll take the Wii's silky-smooth 60fps over 30fps jank any day.
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I agree that the GBC was a bigger step up than the New 3DS is probably going to be, but I still wouldn't call it a completely new generation.
(Also, you're comparing games that were literally released ten years apart. Compare some of the early PS3 games to some that are being released this year or next year - that's a huge step in graphical fidelity too that has more to do with developers becoming more familiar with the hardware they're working with)
And I'll take the version without the waggle roll.