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Saturn Emulation on GameTap... or not?

BiggNifeBiggNife Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
As explained in this article, the latest GameTap update has Bug! for the Saturn hidden in its game selection as an "easter egg." Since I have GameTap, I played it, and I can confirm its the Saturn version and not the PC version. It shows the Saturn logo at startup just like the system did. GameTap also says more Saturn games are on the way. This is a good thing, because:

1) Hopefully they will put NiGHTS on it soon, so people (like me) who didnt own a Saturn can play it and love it like the diehard fans. It would be perfect timing considering the Wii sequel is coming out this year.

2) GameTap is actually making an effort to emulate Saturn games, something that I've heard called "insanely difficult" plenty of times. Bug! runs without a hitch, so I imagine other games will run fine too (I hope). Also, if Sega gives GameTap the license for a lot of their first party games, they will most likely do the same with the Wii's Virtual Console. Many of the same Genesis games that are on the VC are on GameTap, so I dont see why it wouldnt be the same thing with the Saturn.

Comments? Thoughts? Concerns?

Also, Bug! is a surprisingly decent platformer. It hasnt aged well graphically, and I dont think I can save, but still a nice diversion.

EDIT: For every reason why I think its the Saturn version of Bug!, there seems to also be very good evidence that its the PC version. So the jury is out right now.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Supposedly the PC version would also boot up with the Saturn logo.

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    mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Panzer Dragoon Saga please.

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    BiggNifeBiggNife Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Athenor wrote: »
    Supposedly the PC version would also boot up with the Saturn logo.
    But all the controls in the options screen were for Saturn buttons, and there was no "Exit" or "Return to Windows" option like Sega had in most of its PC games. I'm almost certain its the real deal.

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    BiggNife wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    Supposedly the PC version would also boot up with the Saturn logo.
    But all the controls in the options screen were for Saturn buttons, and there was no "Exit" or "Return to Windows" option like Sega had in most of its PC games. I'm almost certain its the real deal.

    I couldn't speak to that. TheSonicRetard is the one who brought up the PC version thing... I was just relaying stuff. =P Probably should not have done that. I would love to see Saturn games on the VC, though.

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The PC version probably wouldn't have been too much easier to emulate. This is a good sign. If they get Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 on there, consider me sign'd up.

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    mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The PC version probably wouldn't have been too much easier to emulate. This is a good sign. If they get Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 on there, consider me sign'd up.
    Considering GameTap runs on PCs, it probably wouldn't have actually have been necessary to emulate it.

    And also, Sega ported the PC version of Sonic R to Gamecube on Sonic Gems because of how much less trouble it was than porting the Saturn version, so it would seem that the PC versions are easier to work with.

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    Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The PC version probably wouldn't have been too much easier to emulate. This is a good sign. If they get Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 on there, consider me sign'd up.
    Considering GameTap runs on PCs, it probably wouldn't have actually have been necessary to emulate it.

    And also, Sega ported the PC version of Sonic R to Gamecube on Sonic Gems because of how much less trouble it was than porting the Saturn version, so it would seem that the PC versions are easier to work with.

    Maybe the fuckers can get my copy of Sonic & Knuckles for Windows 95 to work on my XP machine. :lol:

    I've tried getting this game to work so many times...

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    DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Panzer Dragoon Saga please.

    Please, please God, make this happen!

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dashui wrote: »
    Radiant Silvergun please.

    Please, please God, make this happen!

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    mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The PC version probably wouldn't have been too much easier to emulate. This is a good sign. If they get Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 on there, consider me sign'd up.
    Considering GameTap runs on PCs, it probably wouldn't have actually have been necessary to emulate it.

    And also, Sega ported the PC version of Sonic R to Gamecube on Sonic Gems because of how much less trouble it was than porting the Saturn version, so it would seem that the PC versions are easier to work with.

    Maybe the fuckers can get my copy of Sonic & Knuckles for Windows 95 to work on my XP machine. :lol:

    I've tried getting this game to work so many times...
    My Sonic 3 & Knuckles works fine on my XP machine, and so does Sonic R, and most of the other Sonic games for Windows 95 I have.

    Fucking, Sonic CD doesn't though.

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    BiggNifeBiggNife Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The PC version probably wouldn't have been too much easier to emulate. This is a good sign. If they get Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 on there, consider me sign'd up.
    Considering GameTap runs on PCs, it probably wouldn't have actually have been necessary to emulate it.

    And also, Sega ported the PC version of Sonic R to Gamecube on Sonic Gems because of how much less trouble it was than porting the Saturn version, so it would seem that the PC versions are easier to work with.

    Maybe the fuckers can get my copy of Sonic & Knuckles for Windows 95 to work on my XP machine. :lol:

    I've tried getting this game to work so many times...
    If you're having that problem where the game goes really fast in windowed mode, there's a patch on Sega's website that fixes it. Here's a direct link.

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    XieflowXieflow Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    anyone find the other 2 easter egg games?

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    BiggNifeBiggNife Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Xieflow wrote: »
    anyone find the other 2 easter egg games?
    Just found one of them.
    Put "Tiger Claw" into the search box.

    Havent found the Gametap TV one yet. I looked under Retrospective like the hint implied but I didnt get anything.

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    MugenmidgetMugenmidget Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    most of the other Sonic games for Windows 95 I have.
    Is Sonic's Schoolhouse among them?!

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    mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    most of the other Sonic games for Windows 95 I have.
    Is Sonic's Schoolhouse among them?!
    No. I do not own that game.

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    MugenmidgetMugenmidget Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    most of the other Sonic games for Windows 95 I have.
    Is Sonic's Schoolhouse among them?!
    No. I do not own that game.
    Oh man, you're missin' out big time! The cooperative play is to die for.

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    BaronVonSnakPakBaronVonSnakPak Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    panzer dragoon saga
    radiant silvergun
    burning rangers
    guardian heroes
    dragon force

    if they get all those, i would subscribe.

    and eat a dick.

    whole.

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    KetherialKetherial Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    panzer dragoon saga
    radiant silvergun
    burning rangers
    guardian heroes
    dragon force

    if they get all those, i would subscribe.

    and eat a dick.

    whole.

    what i really want are the capcom dungeon and dragon games (tower and shadow). i dont think there is any console 2d beat em up, even to this day, that can compare with those.

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    NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    AvP? I think the only reason those aren't available (since they have King of Dragons and Knights of the Round available) are the licencing issues.

    I would love to be able to play those 3 (D&D and AvP) at my leasure or whenever I wanted.

    Ahhh crap, my installer got corrupted. Am I going to have to redownload all my games?

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    randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    People seem to forget just because the saturn is hard to emulate for doesnt make it impossible to emulate.

    I dont see how its outside the relm of possiblity to think a group could work on a game at a time and get some kind of emulator working.

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    SorensonSorenson Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Ketherial wrote: »
    panzer dragoon saga
    radiant silvergun
    burning rangers
    guardian heroes
    dragon force

    if they get all those, i would subscribe.

    and eat a dick.

    whole.

    what i really want are the capcom dungeon and dragon games (tower and shadow). i dont think there is any console 2d beat em up, even to this day, that can compare with those.
    By the abyss, yes (I'm sorry). At the very least we need a good solid release of Tower of Doom over the VC or Live or something.

    The only problem is that the fight over who plays the Cleric and/or the Elf'll be even harder to resolve without the ability to physically coerce one guy into the role.

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    NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Yeah, but is it going to be like Xbox emulation (specific to each game) or can they do a complete hardware emulation of the system?

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    KetherialKetherial Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    i dont think avp was released on any console. too bad. that one was awesome too.

    tower was the first one right? i like shadow better because the thief was so awesome.

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    SorensonSorenson Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Ketherial wrote: »
    i dont think avp was released on any console. too bad. that one was awesome too.

    tower was the first one right? i like shadow better because the thief was so awesome.
    Shadow over Mystara was nice in a few regards, but it felt recycled and as though it lacked in certain things, especially the music at certain points. Tower of Doom had the awesome cheesy and epic battle theme that would play whenever you got into a good bruhaha, and overall it seems to stick a lot more than Shadow's.

    Plus, Shadow only had support for two players when half the fun was jockeying against your friends for a good spot (and doing your damndest to keep from being the Cleric).

    EDIT: Well, hot damn, we just got a cheap-o cabinet. Clears up SOM a fair bit more, that does.

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    NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You sure Shadow was limited to just two players? I thought that both games were based off the same boards and therefore could both be 4 players.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    i would like to chime in and point out that bug is, always was, and allways will be utter shite, the only reason it got any attention back in the day was that it was one of the first '3D' platformers.

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    CZroeCZroe Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Many Saturn games were available on PC including Bug!, Last Bronx, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic 3D Blast, and several sports games. GameTap might be trying to play this up as more than it is! I say that it could be simply PC Saturn ports and not Saturn emulation.

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    elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    CZroe wrote: »
    Many Saturn games were available on PC including Bug!, Last Bronx, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic 3D Blast, and several sports games. GameTap might be trying to play this up as more than it is! I say that it could be simply PC Saturn ports and not Saturn emulation.

    Nope, as button configuration menu clearly shows saturn controller, and there isn't "Quit to dos".

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    ReignerReigner Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Dashui wrote: »
    Shining Force 3, all of it, please.

    Please, please God, make this happen!

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    mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    elkatas wrote: »
    CZroe wrote: »
    Many Saturn games were available on PC including Bug!, Last Bronx, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic 3D Blast, and several sports games. GameTap might be trying to play this up as more than it is! I say that it could be simply PC Saturn ports and not Saturn emulation.

    Nope, as button configuration menu clearly shows saturn controller, and there isn't "Quit to dos".

    Bug! is such a weird first choice though since there's already a PC version. I'm surprised they didn't start off with something more indicative of the Saturn era.

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    astroboyastroboy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Sorenson wrote: »
    Ketherial wrote: »
    i dont think avp was released on any console. too bad. that one was awesome too.

    tower was the first one right? i like shadow better because the thief was so awesome.
    Shadow over Mystara was nice in a few regards, but it felt recycled and as though it lacked in certain things, especially the music at certain points. Tower of Doom had the awesome cheesy and epic battle theme that would play whenever you got into a good bruhaha, and overall it seems to stick a lot more than Shadow's.

    Plus, Shadow only had support for two players when half the fun was jockeying against your friends for a good spot (and doing your damndest to keep from being the Cleric).

    Shadow Over Mystara has 4-player support in the arcade.

    Both Tower of Doom and Shadow Over Mystara are limited to 2-player in their Saturn conversions.

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    EtchEtch Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The arcade versions have options that can be changed to support 2, 3, and 4 player options. This is probably for compatibility with older cabinets when an owner wanted to upgrade. So it depends on what cabinet you play it on, but both games can go 4 player.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    BiggNife wrote: »
    Xieflow wrote: »
    anyone find the other 2 easter egg games?
    Just found one of them.
    Put "Tiger Claw" into the search box.

    Havent found the Gametap TV one yet. I looked under Retrospective like the hint implied but I didnt get anything.

    How 'bout you just tell us?

    It's good to see that Saturn games are being distributed again, though, we can't assume that any specific title will be making it's way to the system.
    what i really want are the capcom dungeon and dragon games (tower and shadow). i dont think there is any console 2d beat em up, even to this day, that can compare with those.

    Here.
    People seem to forget just because the saturn is hard to emulate for doesnt make it impossible to emulate.

    Isn't there an officially supported Saturn emulator? Or one that had some input from SEGA? Not to skirt on the issue of it, just thought it was pertinent to the conversation.

    EDIT

    Yes. GiriGiri Saturn was an illegal emulator, and the people behind it were hired by SEGA for work on an internal Saturn emulator that, so far, hasn't really been used. Bummer.

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    AnakinOUAnakinOU Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    PDS is OK. I mean, sure, it's interesting, and I'm kinda glad I have my copy (bought it immediately upon release), but it's not the second coming of Christ.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels that way. There's so many other games that define the Saturn better than PDS.

    Mystaria, Burning Rangers, NiGHTS, Dragon Force, Shining The Holy Ark, Albert Odyssey... any of those blow PDS away.

    If Saturn games becoming more accessible via VC and what not means they finally get more attention, even ten years later, more power to them.

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    CZroeCZroe Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    elkatas wrote: »
    CZroe wrote: »
    Many Saturn games were available on PC including Bug!, Last Bronx, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic 3D Blast, and several sports games. GameTap might be trying to play this up as more than it is! I say that it could be simply PC Saturn ports and not Saturn emulation.

    Nope, as button configuration menu clearly shows saturn controller, and there isn't "Quit to dos".

    Many (most?) of the PC Saturn ports shipped with a Saturn gamepad because they were included exclusively with the original nVidia "nv1-based" graphics card, which had a Saturn gamepad connector on it.

    Also, Bug! was a Windows program. So was Sonic 3D Blast. I owned VF2, but I never installed it to find out.

    I haven't looked at the materials they have released, but it still looks entirely possible that these are PC games and not emulated Saturn games.

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    WulfWulf Disciple of Tzeentch The Void... (New Jersey)Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Reigner wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Dashui wrote: »
    Shining Force 3, all of it, please.

    Please, please God, make this happen!

    You beat me to it

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    CZroe wrote: »
    elkatas wrote: »
    CZroe wrote: »
    Many Saturn games were available on PC including Bug!, Last Bronx, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic 3D Blast, and several sports games. GameTap might be trying to play this up as more than it is! I say that it could be simply PC Saturn ports and not Saturn emulation.

    Nope, as button configuration menu clearly shows saturn controller, and there isn't "Quit to dos".

    Many (most?) of the PC Saturn ports shipped with a Saturn gamepad because they were included exclusively with the original nVidia "nv1-based" graphics card, which had a Saturn gamepad connector on it.

    Also, Bug! was a Windows program. So was Sonic 3D Blast. I owned VF2, but I never installed it to find out.

    I haven't looked at the materials they have released, but it still looks entirely possible that these are PC games and not emulated Saturn games.

    Oooh, I know a good way to tell. What are the system requirements?

    If they're pretty low, it's just the old NV1 ports converted to DirectX or whatever. If they're abnormally high, it could be actual Saturn emulation.

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    AnakinOUAnakinOU Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    My SS games that I consider as good as, if not better than PDS...

    Shining the Holy Ark
    Burning Rangers
    Nights (+ Christmas Nights)
    Guardian Heroes
    Beyond Oasis
    Darkstalkers
    Puzzle Fighter
    VF2
    Virtua Cop 1 & 2
    Panzer Dragoon 1 & 2
    Dark Savior
    Shining Force 3
    Dragon Force
    Saturn Bomberman

    ...and that's just off the top of my head (at work, not at home looking at the collection). I almost considered putting Duke Nukem 3D on the list, but only because of Death Tank Zwei.

    Edit:
    And Bug isn't even that great of a game. Pretty simple 3D (tile-based movement, a la Tomb Raider) platformer.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Find Albert Odyssey. It's JRPG, sure, but with class. Visually and musically beautiful.

    I'd own Guardian Heroes if it wasn't so ridiculously expensive, but I've beaten it repeatedly in the past.

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