Whoa, so this weekend just keeps getting crazier and awesomer
I hit up the healthcare marketplace a few weeks back, picked out a pretty decent plan, applied, all that. The insurance company found out that I'm legally Cherokee. I didn't apply for any of the tribal-specific plans, because I wasn't sure if I was Cherokee enough, and I hate wading into that shit. But they found out, checked, I qualified, and they bumped me up to a tribal plan.
I now have zero copays. Like, on anything. "Indefinite hospital stays." Free. "Helicopter rides." Free.
A surgeon can come to my house, operate on me in my living room, and I would pay nothing.
This plan is $37 a month. That's lower than my cellphone bill, and I can get a prosthetic leg for nothing.
That sounds great, how come a tribal plan is so low?
Because the US government committed genocide on his people and stole their lands.
Well yeah I know that, I was wondering if it was subsidised by the government or if there was an overall plan for a whole tribe that you signed into as a member of the tribe and was discounted. Sounds like the former then?
That sounds great, how come a tribal plan is so low?
Because the US government committed genocide on his people and stole their lands.
Well yeah I know that, I was wondering if it was subsidised by the government or if there was an overall plan for a whole tribe that you signed into as a member of the tribe and was discounted. Sounds like the former then?
Yeah, it's the former. It's open to members of any tribe, not just mine
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This might sound dumb so I apologise in advance.
Whenever I hear anyone say they are part native American, it is virtually always Cherokee. Is there a reason for that? Like Cherokees fraternised with colonists more back in the day? Or is it just random chance that those are the people I've spoken to, and there are just as many part-non-Cherokee people in America?
That sounds great, how come a tribal plan is so low?
Because the US government committed genocide on his people and stole their lands.
Well yeah I know that, I was wondering if it was subsidised by the government or if there was an overall plan for a whole tribe that you signed into as a member of the tribe and was discounted. Sounds like the former then?
Yeah, it's the former. It's open to members of any tribe, not just mine
That was what I was wondering, thank you Pooro!
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I just did the Healthcare marketplace and got hosed a bit. Just now leaving my pretty decent military health insurance because I'm 26 now.
Whenever I hear anyone say they are part native American, it is virtually always Cherokee. Is there a reason for that? Like Cherokees fraternised with colonists more back in the day? Or is it just random chance that those are the people I've spoken to, and there are just as many part-non-Cherokee people in America?
Not a dumb question! A very valid one! There are a few factors at play, here.
The biggest is that, unfortunately, a lot people are full of shit. They heard that somewhere down the line in their family tree there's an Indian, so they say they've got Indian blood, and the reason it's so often "Cherokee" is it's one of the very, very few tribes anybody can actually name of the top of their head. People can name Cherokee, Navajo, Iroquis, maybe Sioux or Apache, and that tends to be that. The vast majority of people who say they're Cherokee don't actually have membership in the tribe or a CDIB card (Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood) from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. They like to claim the novelty of Indian ancestry without actually giving a shit about the heritage, or the modern state of the tribe. They are tools.
But even amongst people who aren't full of shit, there's still a preponderance of Cherokees. This is in part because Cherokees tried the hardest out of the American tribes to integrate with the encroaching white society. Modeled their laws after them, created a written alphabet like them, did their best to get along. So there were more marriages between whites and Cherokees than in a lot of other tribes, and that spread the Cherokee blood around a fair bit.
Whoa, so this weekend just keeps getting crazier and awesomer
I hit up the healthcare marketplace a few weeks back, picked out a pretty decent plan, applied, all that. The insurance company found out that I'm legally Cherokee. I didn't apply for any of the tribal-specific plans, because I wasn't sure if I was Cherokee enough, and I hate wading into that shit. But they found out, checked, I qualified, and they bumped me up to a tribal plan.
I now have zero copays. Like, on anything. "Indefinite hospital stays." Free. "Helicopter rides." Free.
A surgeon can come to my house, operate on me in my living room, and I would pay nothing.
This plan is $37 a month. That's lower than my cellphone bill, and I can get a prosthetic leg for nothing.
aw man my boyfriend is Lakota and we haven't been able to afford his insulin for fuckin MONTHS, he definitely needs to look into this ASAP.
Whoa, so this weekend just keeps getting crazier and awesomer
I hit up the healthcare marketplace a few weeks back, picked out a pretty decent plan, applied, all that. The insurance company found out that I'm legally Cherokee. I didn't apply for any of the tribal-specific plans, because I wasn't sure if I was Cherokee enough, and I hate wading into that shit. But they found out, checked, I qualified, and they bumped me up to a tribal plan.
I now have zero copays. Like, on anything. "Indefinite hospital stays." Free. "Helicopter rides." Free.
A surgeon can come to my house, operate on me in my living room, and I would pay nothing.
This plan is $37 a month. That's lower than my cellphone bill, and I can get a prosthetic leg for nothing.
aw man my boyfriend is Lakota and we haven't been able to afford his insulin for fuckin MONTHS, he definitely needs to look into this ASAP.
Definitely, definitely. All prescriptions are free. Preferred brand, non-preferred, name brand, whatever. Get him some fuckin' gold-plated insulin with spinners, son!
Is that a biarticulate hip-knee linkage I see before me?
tynic i want your brain. i need the knowledge inside.
and as i understand it, cherokee was one of the more "civilized" tribes, so back in history some folks who had undeniable native ancestry would lie and claim cherokee heritage, because whatever tribe they were actually from was waging war against the US gov or whatever.
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Whoa, so this weekend just keeps getting crazier and awesomer
I hit up the healthcare marketplace a few weeks back, picked out a pretty decent plan, applied, all that. The insurance company found out that I'm legally Cherokee. I didn't apply for any of the tribal-specific plans, because I wasn't sure if I was Cherokee enough, and I hate wading into that shit. But they found out, checked, I qualified, and they bumped me up to a tribal plan.
I now have zero copays. Like, on anything. "Indefinite hospital stays." Free. "Helicopter rides." Free.
A surgeon can come to my house, operate on me in my living room, and I would pay nothing.
This plan is $37 a month. That's lower than my cellphone bill, and I can get a prosthetic leg for nothing.
aw man my boyfriend is Lakota and we haven't been able to afford his insulin for fuckin MONTHS, he definitely needs to look into this ASAP.
Definitely, definitely. All prescriptions are free. Preferred brand, non-preferred, name brand, whatever. Get him some fuckin' gold-plated insulin with spinners, son!
i am gonna make him get on that goddamn website when he gets home
Is that a biarticulate hip-knee linkage I see before me?
tynic i want your brain. i need the knowledge inside.
and as i understand it, cherokee was one of the more "civilized" tribes, so back in history some folks who had undeniable native ancestry would lie and claim cherokee heritage, because whatever tribe they were actually from was waging war against the US gov or whatever.
Shit, yeah, that too. Dawes Roll fucked a whoooole lot of shit up.
I did my last year of history class in school studying "the American West", about how America was settled and about native Americans and the battles and so on, basically a brief study of the first pilgrims came and the effect it had on the land and people.
Is this something that is taught in American schools and if so to what extent?
I did my last year of history class in school studying "the American West", about how America was settled and about native Americans and the battles and so on, basically a brief study of the first pilgrims came and the effect it had on the land and people.
Is this something that is taught in American schools and if so to what extent?
Varies from school to school, and state to state, and what level you're at.
Younger kids learn about the heroic move west, the "skirmishes" with Indians, and then treaties were signed and everything was great. My particular elementary school had a whole unit where we learned about the tribes native to Colorado, a little bit about their customs and culture, and then we had a presentation for parents and everything where we wore homemade costumes in the styles of various tribes and tell what we learned. Which, a bunch of little white kids in appropriated Indian garb is a little iffy, but Ms. Chan's heart was in the right place. Where things got really dodgy, though, was as we all came into the gymnasium where the presentation was, she wanted us to come running in, doing "war cries" by popping our hands on and off our mouths and going "woo woo woo woo!" I refused, telling her "Any tribes that had war cries did them with just their mouths, I can't make those noises, and I won't do a cheap imitation."
Worth noting that this is third grade. I take my shit seriously.
As you get older, the history gets taught different. The glamour comes off Manifest Destiny, the massacres come out, etc.
My mother's (great?) grandmother was full - blooded Blackfoot.
No idea if that makes me anything, and I don't self-identify as native, but it's a little neat note in my genealogy
most of the violence is glazed over. americans fought the indians and won, the end. I do remember covering the trail of tears though. around here we focused heavily on the iroquois since this is the area they lived in.
Huh, varied then I guess? I think its good that kids in the area get to learn about the tribes in their area, thats pretty neat. Err that does sound a bit dodgy Pooro!
I want to say we spent at least a month on them, since many of their traditions and tribal sites still exist today. ie lacrosse is quite big in this area and I would not be surprised if learning about it in school developed an interest in it
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I remember learning about battles and smallpox and sweat lodges and vision quests and dudes hanging themselves from trees by hooking gut through their skin or something.
Probably lots of other stuff but needless to say I mostly remember the stuff which sounded horrible to do.
A month is good time I think, in a school year, there is an awful lot to cover in history in a whole year.
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one thing i noticed as a youngster, any time a shitload of American army cavalry or what-have-you swoop in and slaughter a whole village it's called a "battle"
and when some clever native warriors trap a bunch of jumped-up green-horns and kill a shitload of cavalrymen in combat it's a "massacre"
there's a really grotesque skew to everything American school children are taught about Native American history, how we "civilized" them and "brought them into the modern age" and whatnot, how they were "stone age savages" and shit.
also how great life is on the reservations and how we gave them to the natives out of the goodness of our hearts and how any problems they have these days are entirely their own doing.
A month is good time I think, in a school year, there is an awful lot to cover in history in a whole year.
We only have 250ish years of history to cover. I've always wondered how history is taught in the UK and other countries with longer histories than ours. Whether you end up taking more classes to fit it all in, or if the topics are compressed to cover more time within a single class.
I dunno, we had a couple of pretty frank classes on European settlers' dealing with natives.
Of course, my history teacher was a guy who loved to subvert "traditional" teaching. Like them time we were talking about the stripping away powers from the Bill of Rights. But don't worry, you're not losing your rights now. You lost them years ago!
A month is good time I think, in a school year, there is an awful lot to cover in history in a whole year.
We only have 250ish years of history to cover. I've always wondered how history is taught in the UK and other countries with longer histories than ours. Whether you end up taking more classes to fit it all in, or if the topics are compressed to cover more time within a single class.
Hmm yeah thats true, you do have much less.
I think it varies from school to school. In primary school (age 11 and under) I learned about the Victorians, Romans, Egyptians, Elizabethan age, WW2. And the in comprehensive school (11-16) each year term we specialised. So America West was one, medicine through time, WW2 AGAIN, multicultural Britain (how we are made of a nation of immigration), bronze age, medieval. It was pretty well covered.
My dad's family thought they were part Native American, so he recently had a DNA profile done and as he expected, he's northern European through and through. Still some holdouts that aren't convinced yet. My mom's side can be traced back to the Mayflower though, which is kinda cool in a, "We were exploiting this country before it became cool," way.
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one thing i noticed as a youngster, any time a shitload of American army cavalry or what-have-you swoop in and slaughter a whole village it's called a "battle"
and when some clever native warriors trap a bunch of jumped-up green-horns and kill a shitload of cavalrymen in combat it's a "massacre"
there's a really grotesque skew to everything American school children are taught about Native American history, how we "civilized" them and "brought them into the modern age" and whatnot, how they were "stone age savages" and shit.
also how great life is on the reservations and how we gave them to the natives out of the goodness of our hearts and how any problems they have these days are entirely their own doing.
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I hit up the healthcare marketplace a few weeks back, picked out a pretty decent plan, applied, all that. The insurance company found out that I'm legally Cherokee. I didn't apply for any of the tribal-specific plans, because I wasn't sure if I was Cherokee enough, and I hate wading into that shit. But they found out, checked, I qualified, and they bumped me up to a tribal plan.
I now have zero copays. Like, on anything. "Indefinite hospital stays." Free. "Helicopter rides." Free.
A surgeon can come to my house, operate on me in my living room, and I would pay nothing.
This plan is $37 a month. That's lower than my cellphone bill, and I can get a prosthetic leg for nothing.
what kind of prosthetic leg??
:winky:
Because the US government committed genocide on his people and stole their lands.
Well yeah I know that, I was wondering if it was subsidised by the government or if there was an overall plan for a whole tribe that you signed into as a member of the tribe and was discounted. Sounds like the former then?
Not sure, but so long as I can hollow it out and use it as a flask, I'm ecstatic
Yeah, it's the former. It's open to members of any tribe, not just mine
Whenever I hear anyone say they are part native American, it is virtually always Cherokee. Is there a reason for that? Like Cherokees fraternised with colonists more back in the day? Or is it just random chance that those are the people I've spoken to, and there are just as many part-non-Cherokee people in America?
That was what I was wondering, thank you Pooro!
Not a dumb question! A very valid one! There are a few factors at play, here.
The biggest is that, unfortunately, a lot people are full of shit. They heard that somewhere down the line in their family tree there's an Indian, so they say they've got Indian blood, and the reason it's so often "Cherokee" is it's one of the very, very few tribes anybody can actually name of the top of their head. People can name Cherokee, Navajo, Iroquis, maybe Sioux or Apache, and that tends to be that. The vast majority of people who say they're Cherokee don't actually have membership in the tribe or a CDIB card (Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood) from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. They like to claim the novelty of Indian ancestry without actually giving a shit about the heritage, or the modern state of the tribe. They are tools.
But even amongst people who aren't full of shit, there's still a preponderance of Cherokees. This is in part because Cherokees tried the hardest out of the American tribes to integrate with the encroaching white society. Modeled their laws after them, created a written alphabet like them, did their best to get along. So there were more marriages between whites and Cherokees than in a lot of other tribes, and that spread the Cherokee blood around a fair bit.
But most people are just tools.
aw man my boyfriend is Lakota and we haven't been able to afford his insulin for fuckin MONTHS, he definitely needs to look into this ASAP.
Definitely, definitely. All prescriptions are free. Preferred brand, non-preferred, name brand, whatever. Get him some fuckin' gold-plated insulin with spinners, son!
tynic i want your brain. i need the knowledge inside.
and as i understand it, cherokee was one of the more "civilized" tribes, so back in history some folks who had undeniable native ancestry would lie and claim cherokee heritage, because whatever tribe they were actually from was waging war against the US gov or whatever.
i am gonna make him get on that goddamn website when he gets home
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Shit, yeah, that too. Dawes Roll fucked a whoooole lot of shit up.
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I did my last year of history class in school studying "the American West", about how America was settled and about native Americans and the battles and so on, basically a brief study of the first pilgrims came and the effect it had on the land and people.
Is this something that is taught in American schools and if so to what extent?
Yes.
Varies from school to school, and state to state, and what level you're at.
Younger kids learn about the heroic move west, the "skirmishes" with Indians, and then treaties were signed and everything was great. My particular elementary school had a whole unit where we learned about the tribes native to Colorado, a little bit about their customs and culture, and then we had a presentation for parents and everything where we wore homemade costumes in the styles of various tribes and tell what we learned. Which, a bunch of little white kids in appropriated Indian garb is a little iffy, but Ms. Chan's heart was in the right place. Where things got really dodgy, though, was as we all came into the gymnasium where the presentation was, she wanted us to come running in, doing "war cries" by popping our hands on and off our mouths and going "woo woo woo woo!" I refused, telling her "Any tribes that had war cries did them with just their mouths, I can't make those noises, and I won't do a cheap imitation."
Worth noting that this is third grade. I take my shit seriously.
As you get older, the history gets taught different. The glamour comes off Manifest Destiny, the massacres come out, etc.
No idea if that makes me anything, and I don't self-identify as native, but it's a little neat note in my genealogy
Probably lots of other stuff but needless to say I mostly remember the stuff which sounded horrible to do.
and when some clever native warriors trap a bunch of jumped-up green-horns and kill a shitload of cavalrymen in combat it's a "massacre"
there's a really grotesque skew to everything American school children are taught about Native American history, how we "civilized" them and "brought them into the modern age" and whatnot, how they were "stone age savages" and shit.
also how great life is on the reservations and how we gave them to the natives out of the goodness of our hearts and how any problems they have these days are entirely their own doing.
Not that we're any better, we all know the UKs got a shitty past and I remember my teacher being frank about it, but its not gone into in much detail.
We only have 250ish years of history to cover. I've always wondered how history is taught in the UK and other countries with longer histories than ours. Whether you end up taking more classes to fit it all in, or if the topics are compressed to cover more time within a single class.
Of course, my history teacher was a guy who loved to subvert "traditional" teaching. Like them time we were talking about the stripping away powers from the Bill of Rights. But don't worry, you're not losing your rights now. You lost them years ago!
Hmm yeah thats true, you do have much less.
I think it varies from school to school. In primary school (age 11 and under) I learned about the Victorians, Romans, Egyptians, Elizabethan age, WW2. And the in comprehensive school (11-16) each year term we specialised. So America West was one, medicine through time, WW2 AGAIN, multicultural Britain (how we are made of a nation of immigration), bronze age, medieval. It was pretty well covered.
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