2005 Saab 9-2x Aero, so yeah it's a WRX. Actually I was told the same thing by a co-worker who used to be in the forces. It's ok to ride the clutch a little bit (like maneuvering into a parking spot), just don't do it all the time.
Last time dad and I were out, I was actually doing great. Found a technique to worked for me for getting going. I think I just tried applying the same thing today while in a rush and being watched like a hawk by said co-worker and being very tired.
Basically I just need to chill.
OK, 2 things about 9-2X's/WRX's
1. The clutch is really shitty feedback-wise. There's like 2 inches of actual engagement in the like foot of travel. It's terrible. You'll get used to where that is.
2. The turbo can make you stall sometimes. I found it often helped to just do a quick rev to get it spinning (if you just started the car), then start with the clutch. Especially when going from a dead stop, give it more than you think, as the turbo tends to bog a bit on starts. The throttle response is vastly different with the turbo spooled up vs. not, and you'll get used to the sounds and feels of spun vs. not spun.
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Does it have a Saab motor in it or the Subaru flat four?
If it's the Subaru motor the turbo won't make any measurable boost below about 2000-2500 rpm.
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
You can ride the clutch in a ar as much as you like up until it starts making that stench. Then you've gone too far.
Balancing the car on a slight incline using only the clutch is a good exercise, as is practising hill starts on a steeper hill.
my clutch seems pretty heavy but I've never driven another manual so I have no reference for comparison
its heavy enough for my leg to get tired in traffic
i bought the car without knowing how to drive it but I had to learn quick because there was a vehicular homicide blocking traffic on the way home so I had to do a solid 15 minutes of low speed starts
The first car I drove with a manual was an '88 Mustang GT that a friend of mine owned. I don't really remember the clutchfeel because I could just drop the clutch and light up the rear tires.
My Fiero had a very noticeable catch point and it was kind of an on/off switch. It took a while to get used to it.
The Scirocco has a very progressive clutch, it's very forgiving. It can be feathered pretty easily and it makes driving the car feel very smooth. It had been more than a year since I last drove a manual when I picked up the Scirocco, and it was forgiving enough that I didn't stall once in my stop and go trip through Chicago and its suburbs.
My Mustangs clutch seems to grab right at the top of it's travel. Mom taught me to drive stick and she can't stand driving my car. It can be kind of a pain in the ass.
Best clutch I've ever driven: '98 Neon R/T
Perfect feedback, decent amount of travel for engagement variance and just a joy to use. You always knew exactly what was happening based on your foot feel and the gradient was perfect.
can everyone start there's without gas? i don't need any throttle in 1st gear if I'm gentle. of course its slow as hell, but its nice for creeping in traffic to just move it with the clutch
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BillyIdleWhat does "katana" mean?It means "Japanese sword."Registered Userregular
My Mustangs clutch seems to grab right at the top of it's travel. Mom taught me to drive stick and she can't stand driving my car. It can be kind of a pain in the ass.
You and I are one and the same. Only my mom doesn't even let me drive her in my car as well.
I predict she will never be in the S2K when I drive it. (I'm not a maniac on the streets btw)
clutch in my golf tdi has a fairly small engagement zone, but it's pretty forgiving all the same. most of the problem is that it's a diesel and it hard kills the engine below ~700 rpm to avoid damage. so if you think it's like a gasoline engine and it'll give you warning before it stalls, you're going to stall it.
it's really fun watching people who drive manuals try and drive my car for the first time. last friend who tried stalled it 4 times in half a mile, it was hysterical.
edit: oops, forgot this: but pro learning strat is just to always give it a bit more gas when starting than you need until you have a feel for it.
can everyone start there's without gas? i don't need any throttle in 1st gear if I'm gentle. of course its slow as hell, but its nice for creeping in traffic to just move it with the clutch
No. Maybe with my forester I'm able to, but WRX's generally die with anything less than quarter throttle unless the turbo is already spooled up.
can everyone start there's without gas? i don't need any throttle in 1st gear if I'm gentle. of course its slow as hell, but its nice for creeping in traffic to just move it with the clutch
I can, but it's rare that I do. If I'm in traffic behind people, yeah I'll use it. If I'm first in line, I'm gone.
can everyone start there's without gas? i don't need any throttle in 1st gear if I'm gentle. of course its slow as hell, but its nice for creeping in traffic to just move it with the clutch
No. Maybe with my forester I'm able to, but WRX's generally die with anything less than quarter throttle unless the turbo is already spooled up.
Same for the Evo. It's almost like they're the same car!
But all our cars/trucks/etc were always automatic so I didn't have any experience with a standard transmission automobile when I got my speed3 in 2010. I figured, you know, how different can it be?
First, a 35 year old tractor clutch and the mazda clutch could not be any more different. It is difficult to believe it is the same mechanism. I let a friend with a normal 3 drive the speed3 a bit and he said the clutch feels different even from that though. I don't really have a basis for comparison though.
Second, there were stalls in the beginning (one very funny one on a hill driving it home, when I tried again I just went heavy on the throttle and dropped the clutch and made this old lady on the sidewalk damn me to an eternity of hellfire) but that got better after a time. Still, I would sometimes pray for a hand throttle for starts because it would have been easier than trying to feather the very touchy throttle the speed3 has. Obviously a hand throttle would be inconvenient for everything else.
I dunno, I've had the car for nearly 4 years now but it only has 28,000km on it because I don't have to drive that much so I still occasionally fall out of practice and fail to have the smoothest of launches and, for whatever reason, going into second is still a bitch. Fuck second gear on the speed3s.
Also I still automatically correct anyone who refers to it simply as a "3" because I'm weird and touchy about the distinction.
My Mustangs clutch seems to grab right at the top of it's travel. Mom taught me to drive stick and she can't stand driving my car. It can be kind of a pain in the ass.
You and I are one and the same. Only my mom doesn't even let me drive her in my car as well.
I predict she will never be in the S2K when I drive it. (I'm not a maniac on the streets btw)
I can get her in my car if I'm driving, that's not a problem. She just can't stand the clutch action.
(I still avoid some hills if I can, I'm the worst)
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BillyIdleWhat does "katana" mean?It means "Japanese sword."Registered Userregular
Hey guys, what's everyone's view on this new Elio "car". I would be temped to get one as a daily driver/second car if they end up not being lemons. 84 mpg hwy, $6,800 base price and it can seat 2.
Thanks for the encouragement guys. Yeah the throttle in this car is really touchy, and the clutch/revs don't have a whole lot of feedback. Did I mention this also my first turbo car? I'm used to autos with push button go now power.
Last time I was on a standard was riding a motorcycle, but that was years ago and I never did much beyond the course I took. The bite point in a motorcycle is much more noticeable though . I'll get some more practice in this weekend solo, and not so fucking tired from work, and report back if it's gotten better.
Hey guys, what's everyone's view on this new Elio "car". I would be temped to get one as a daily driver/second car if they end up not being lemons. 84 mpg hwy, $6,800 base price and it can seat 2.
Never heard of this until you brought it up. For some reason I'm getting a vibe of snake oil.
Hey guys, what's everyone's view on this new Elio "car". I would be temped to get one as a daily driver/second car if they end up not being lemons. 84 mpg hwy, $6,800 base price and it can seat 2.
Never heard of this until you brought it up. For some reason I'm getting a vibe of snake oil.
I got my incline practice on the draw bridges going to the beach. Everybody all up your ass, have to really be quick from brake to gas.
The handbrake is your friend.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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BillyIdleWhat does "katana" mean?It means "Japanese sword."Registered Userregular
I would be really surprised if it end up a fraud. The PepBoys partnership makes it seem legit. Time to see if early adopters are happy with what they get.
At the time, it was a foot pedal emergency brake. Truck style with a release next to the hood release. Ranger pickup. Couldn't even drive it when I bought it.
At the time, it was a foot pedal emergency brake. Truck style with a release next to the hood release. Ranger pickup. Couldn't even drive it when I bought it.
Use your third leg.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
We finally found a new car for my younger brother. He's currently driving a 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9L with 210,000 miles on it. It still runs pretty well, and the 4x4 works just fine, but he recently got a job that's about a 15 mile drive from home each way and he's only averaging about 10mpg with the truck.
We found a 2001 Hyundai Elantra for sale locally, pretty much loaded and with only 103,000 miles on it. The paint is rough from a life spend largely in Florida, but the body is pretty much rust free and the interior is very clean. The car runs like a top, transmission shifts well, A/C still blows nice and cold, and it even has a power sunroof. Got it for $1600, which I think is a very good price. I kind of can't believe how cheap those used Korean cars are here. The interior seems cheap, but not as cheap as the price would reflect and certainly not any less cheap than comparable American economy cars of that era.
Just came back from a late night (well 9PM) practice with the stick. Was by myself. Used some tips from you guys, the stuff from my co-worker, and the excellent lessons from my dad. I am please to report that I can drive the car quite well. Just need to practice hills and traffic now, but I am close to being confident enough to use this as my DD where I live.
Seriously after the frustrations experienced, I am on cloud fucking 9000 right now.
Edit: Oh and I think I'll refrain from driving with sandals for a while.
I can't remember if you live in a seasonally cold place or not but practicing starting in 2nd and 3rd is a good idea now if ice is in your future. Behold! the power of controlling your vehicle manually!
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OK, 2 things about 9-2X's/WRX's
1. The clutch is really shitty feedback-wise. There's like 2 inches of actual engagement in the like foot of travel. It's terrible. You'll get used to where that is.
2. The turbo can make you stall sometimes. I found it often helped to just do a quick rev to get it spinning (if you just started the car), then start with the clutch. Especially when going from a dead stop, give it more than you think, as the turbo tends to bog a bit on starts. The throttle response is vastly different with the turbo spooled up vs. not, and you'll get used to the sounds and feels of spun vs. not spun.
If it's the Subaru motor the turbo won't make any measurable boost below about 2000-2500 rpm.
Balancing the car on a slight incline using only the clutch is a good exercise, as is practising hill starts on a steeper hill.
It sounds like my old Volvo 850R. Heavy clutch, picky on the revs, tiny sweet spot.. but get it right and BYE.
It's not heavy, it's just vague; combine that with a small sweet spot and you never feel like you're good at it.
its heavy enough for my leg to get tired in traffic
i bought the car without knowing how to drive it but I had to learn quick because there was a vehicular homicide blocking traffic on the way home so I had to do a solid 15 minutes of low speed starts
My Fiero had a very noticeable catch point and it was kind of an on/off switch. It took a while to get used to it.
The Scirocco has a very progressive clutch, it's very forgiving. It can be feathered pretty easily and it makes driving the car feel very smooth. It had been more than a year since I last drove a manual when I picked up the Scirocco, and it was forgiving enough that I didn't stall once in my stop and go trip through Chicago and its suburbs.
Perfect feedback, decent amount of travel for engagement variance and just a joy to use. You always knew exactly what was happening based on your foot feel and the gradient was perfect.
You'll get it, just takes some acclimatisation.
You and I are one and the same. Only my mom doesn't even let me drive her in my car as well.
I predict she will never be in the S2K when I drive it. (I'm not a maniac on the streets btw)
it's really fun watching people who drive manuals try and drive my car for the first time. last friend who tried stalled it 4 times in half a mile, it was hysterical.
edit: oops, forgot this: but pro learning strat is just to always give it a bit more gas when starting than you need until you have a feel for it.
No. Maybe with my forester I'm able to, but WRX's generally die with anything less than quarter throttle unless the turbo is already spooled up.
i usually get moving with just the lightest touch... maybe 10% if I have somewhere to be
got some tire squeal today. tried to take my hairpin at about 35... it worked. but not without a lot of complaint
I can, but it's rare that I do. If I'm in traffic behind people, yeah I'll use it. If I'm first in line, I'm gone.
Same for the Evo. It's almost like they're the same car!
But all our cars/trucks/etc were always automatic so I didn't have any experience with a standard transmission automobile when I got my speed3 in 2010. I figured, you know, how different can it be?
First, a 35 year old tractor clutch and the mazda clutch could not be any more different. It is difficult to believe it is the same mechanism. I let a friend with a normal 3 drive the speed3 a bit and he said the clutch feels different even from that though. I don't really have a basis for comparison though.
Second, there were stalls in the beginning (one very funny one on a hill driving it home, when I tried again I just went heavy on the throttle and dropped the clutch and made this old lady on the sidewalk damn me to an eternity of hellfire) but that got better after a time. Still, I would sometimes pray for a hand throttle for starts because it would have been easier than trying to feather the very touchy throttle the speed3 has. Obviously a hand throttle would be inconvenient for everything else.
I dunno, I've had the car for nearly 4 years now but it only has 28,000km on it because I don't have to drive that much so I still occasionally fall out of practice and fail to have the smoothest of launches and, for whatever reason, going into second is still a bitch. Fuck second gear on the speed3s.
Also I still automatically correct anyone who refers to it simply as a "3" because I'm weird and touchy about the distinction.
I can get her in my car if I'm driving, that's not a problem. She just can't stand the clutch action.
You live in Florida, so it's the 2nd.
Last time I was on a standard was riding a motorcycle, but that was years ago and I never did much beyond the course I took. The bite point in a motorcycle is much more noticeable though
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Never heard of this until you brought it up. For some reason I'm getting a vibe of snake oil.
Since this is exactly what I did you must be doing it right.
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Yeah, it reminds me of the Dale.
The handbrake is your friend.
Use your third leg.
We found a 2001 Hyundai Elantra for sale locally, pretty much loaded and with only 103,000 miles on it. The paint is rough from a life spend largely in Florida, but the body is pretty much rust free and the interior is very clean. The car runs like a top, transmission shifts well, A/C still blows nice and cold, and it even has a power sunroof. Got it for $1600, which I think is a very good price. I kind of can't believe how cheap those used Korean cars are here. The interior seems cheap, but not as cheap as the price would reflect and certainly not any less cheap than comparable American economy cars of that era.
Just came back from a late night (well 9PM) practice with the stick. Was by myself. Used some tips from you guys, the stuff from my co-worker, and the excellent lessons from my dad. I am please to report that I can drive the car quite well. Just need to practice hills and traffic now, but I am close to being confident enough to use this as my DD where I live.
Seriously after the frustrations experienced, I am on cloud fucking 9000 right now.
Edit: Oh and I think I'll refrain from driving with sandals for a while.
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