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Suns out, guns out [Strength Training]

KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondlerHelping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
edited April 2015 in Social Entropy++
Do you like picking things up?  Do you like putting them back down again?  And doing it all again?

This is the strength training thread.  We have forumers doing all sorts of different strength related sports including:

Olympic weightlifting

http://youtu.be/HkPWjpURboQ

Powerlifting

http://youtu.be/RBaJKwDLbwc

Strongman

http://youtu.be/q6agvB5mBvY

Body Building

http://youtu.be/BPUtQ1DiTgw

even....

Crossfit

http://youtu.be/M8up6A4QesU

Maybe not (but we can tell how to do a proper continental press).

There's a ton of resources out there on strength training, some of the better ones are:

Starting strength: (best beginner workout) 
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki

EliteFTS (a lot of good form and powerlifting specific information):
http://articles.elitefts.net/

If anyone has other resources, let me know and I'll add them in.

Edit 1:

And another site recommendation from @Jimmy Marku:

http://simplesciencefitness.com/

And a good guide to foam rolling from @Jyardana

http://www.robertsontrainingsystems.com/downloads/SMR-manual.pdf

And another site with some decent powerlifting program calculators

http://www.joeskopec.com/programs.html

And DeFranco's Agile 8 (a good flexibility/mobility routine).

http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/archives/ask_joe_08-10-03.html

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    I'm gonna hit my first bench goal of the year by the end of this thread

  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    I'm working on cutting 14lbs between this Monday and next! woo! Then on to training for Warrior Dash in September.

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    This guy was doing barbell rows for 2 hours in the squat rack last week how do I take care of him

  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    I intentionally was not reading the last thread so that I wouldn't be jumping in at the deep end of strength training, but I'm hoping you guys can point me in the right direction.

    I'm 41 and in pretty poor shape. My right rotator cuff is moderately messed up and my right hip has quite a bit of gravel. My quads are bad enough that it effects my patellar alignment. All in all, I really need to be in better shape.
    While aerobic training certainly needs doing, most of my muscular issues just need me to go get going.
    That's where you guys come in. I don't have any weights, and since I will be moving over the next few months (not sure when it to where), I don't want to buy weights or join a gym franchise.
    With that in mind, what's your suggestion? Fitocracy? Join a gym anyway you fucking pussy? Buy small weights? Push ups, sit ups, deep knee bends?
    Learn me, oh ye mighty, that I might walk without pain and enjoy active things once again!

    chromdom on
  • MogsMogs Registered User regular
    Back up to my previous 1RM on deadlift on 5/3/1 (265x1 yesterday - slower and uglier than it should have been, but better than it had looked before). I'm going to repeat this month's 5/3/1 deadlift numbers, though, due to missing some reps earlier in the month. I've started adding in sumos and stiff legged deadlifts after. Hopefully it'll help my deadlift not be dumb anymore.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    I intentionally was not reading the last thread so that I wouldn't be jumping in at the deep end of strength training, but I'm hoping you guys can point me in the right direction.

    I'm 41 and in pretty poor shape. My right rotator cuff is moderately messed up and my right hip has quite a bit of gravel. My quads are bad enough that it effects my patellar alignment. All in all, I really need to be in better shape.
    While aerobic training certainly needs doing, most of my muscular issues just need me to go get going.
    That's where you guys come in. I don't have any weights, and since I will be moving over the next few months (not sure when it to where), I don't want to but ant or join a gym franchise.
    With that in mind, what's your suggestion? Fitocracy? Join a gym anyway you fucking pussy? Buy small weights? Push ups, sit ups, deep knee bends?
    Learn me, oh ye mighty, that I might walk without pain and enjoy active things once again!

    If you don't want to join a gym or buy weights (at least in the short-term), you can start with a body weight workout. This is one from Nerd Fitness that I keep recommending. It's really straight-forward. They have a more advanced routine linked in that article. And you can get a relatively inexpensive set of adjustable dumbbells (something like this) and you'd be set for a while.

    Once you feel you need something more (or maybe just something different) you could revisit the idea of investing in something more long-term.

  • Jimmy MarkuJimmy Marku LondonRegistered User regular
    Well, my last thread goal was a miserable failure - wanted a bw snatch, only managed 22 kg less than that. This one I fucking will snatch 110.

    Kak, could you put this link in the op, to save me posting it every few pages: http://simplesciencefitness.com/

  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    @chromdom‌

    Have you been to a physiotherapist? All of those issues are making me hesitant to give you any specific advice without knowing what's going on and what you can do without injury.

  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Not a physiotherapist, just a doc who used to be a sports-medicine specialist: both the quads leading to knee problems and the shoulder just need to be strengthened. The hip, well... that's just wear inside the joint and won't be getting any better.

    chromdom on
  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    Any specific exercises you are not supposed to do?

  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Nope.
    In fact, it was pretty funny. I told the doc about my shoulder and he had me do one of those press-up-on-his-hands things, and after a few seconds, he said, "No, really. Press up." Then he checked my other side to make sure I didn't have some kind of overall muscular deficit. Nope, just really fucking weak in that shoulder!

  • BorommakotBorommakot Registered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    I intentionally was not reading the last thread so that I wouldn't be jumping in at the deep end of strength training, but I'm hoping you guys can point me in the right direction.

    I'm 41 and in pretty poor shape. My right rotator cuff is moderately messed up and my right hip has quite a bit of gravel. My quads are bad enough that it effects my patellar alignment. All in all, I really need to be in better shape.
    While aerobic training certainly needs doing, most of my muscular issues just need me to go get going.
    That's where you guys come in. I don't have any weights, and since I will be moving over the next few months (not sure when it to where), I don't want to but ant or join a gym franchise.
    With that in mind, what's your suggestion? Fitocracy? Join a gym anyway you fucking pussy? Buy small weights? Push ups, sit ups, deep knee bends?
    Learn me, oh ye mighty, that I might walk without pain and enjoy active things once again!

    Don't...don't...you play goalie? How?

  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    I did. I haven't in... about 2 years? I'd like to again, hence the rehab. It was most definitely playing goalie fucked up my shoulder and hip. The permanent squat of being a goalie actually really helped my knees, which have always been bad. Nothing like squats an hour a day to build up your quads!

    EDIT: Also, holy fuck, I swear, I used to be able to type comprehensible sentences!

    chromdom on
  • BorommakotBorommakot Registered User regular
    I've subbed in as a goalie once or twice and the idea of having a gravelly hip just hurts to think about.

  • FrylockHolmesFrylockHolmes Registered User regular
    I don't think I ever committed to a solid goal for the last thread so that means that I did not fail. Good job, me.

  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    Dude in the last thread with no way to squat, clean that shit up and front squat. It's not perfect and you're limited by how much you can clean but it's better than nothing!

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    Apparently I've come within 5 pounds of my squat goal without noticing! Go figure

  • CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    @chromdom Most states require that the gym let you break contract if you move 10 miles away from one of their franchises that has similar facilities. If moving is your only apprehension about the gym thing, I'd say give it a shot. Also, always check groupon before you join a gym, especially smaller local chains. I got 3 months free and $5 off a month.

    So last thread lasted about 9 months. My thread goal is to be at 10-15% body fat, 9 minute 1.5 mile time, 100 pushups nonstop, 15 pullups, and deadlifting/squatting/benching 4/3/2 plates for reps. I feel like this is a pretty achievable goal

    Just PR'd at 110lbs for sets of 3 on the OHP, while losing weight. I haven't squatted in like, 2 and a half weeks. I was doing interval sprints, and felt fine, but the next day when I went to squat I had this horrible pain in my upper left thigh. Its a very small pain area right around the height that my wang is, and it only hurts when I squat down. Deadlifting is fine. Running feels fine. Squatting down even with no weight is uncomfortable. Squatting the bar has my wincing in pain. Anyone have any suggestions? I really dont want to spend 40 bucks and an hour of my day to see a doctor who will tell me "Squatting is bad for you knees so dont do it"




  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    Spend that money on a lacrosse ball and PVC pipe

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  • CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Dead, was that referenced to me? Is this the whole foam rolling thing/tennis ball rolling?

    Cause I don't really know what that is, other than that it is a thing. Google says take a lacrosse ball and roll it around over hurt area? So its like Head On, but for my leg.

    CangoFett on
  • JyardanaJyardana Registered User regular
    I'm going to assume this is good to post since its from their website and the first hit on google:

    http://www.robertsontrainingsystems.com/downloads/SMR-manual.pdf

    Use it. Your body will thank you.

  • ToddJewellToddJewell Registered User regular
    Goal setting time for end of thread:
    DL - 3 plates for reps
    Squat - 3 plates for a few reps
    BP - 2 plates for a couple reps
    OHP - bw max

    Current: 255/250/165/(130) for 5/5/5/1 @‌ 162lb

  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    @chromdom‌

    I'd start with light work and a lot of mobility work for the first couple of months.

    Maybe bodyweight squats and walking lunges for the legs, along with Agile 8.

    Shoulders, I'd work on the rotator cuff first.

    External Rotations (you can also do these with a 2.5 or 5 pound plate)
    http://youtu.be/T3PbNvrhFW4

    Internal Rotations:
    http://youtu.be/x44CmqKFuMQ

    Band pull aparts:
    http://youtu.be/73Dm-j5wYIc

    Try doing those for a couple of weeks and see if that loosens up the shoulders and your hips and quads.

  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Thanks, I will bookmark those and see how she goes.

  • InvincibleInvincible Registered User regular
    Pretty good day of lifting, even with shit sleep last night. Hit a 44 SN and a 57 CJ. I feel like a weirdo because snatches feel much easier and more natural than cleans.

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  • jklongjklong Registered User regular
    Jyardana wrote: »
    I'm going to assume this is good to post since its from their website and the first hit on google:

    http://www.robertsontrainingsystems.com/downloads/SMR-manual.pdf

    Use it. Your body will thank you.

    I always like that pdf, good for finding out how exactly to bring the hurt onto that one part of you that needs it.

  • PrimePrime UKRegistered User regular
    Dude in the last thread with no way to squat, clean that shit up and front squat. It's not perfect and you're limited by how much you can clean but it's better than nothing!

    I think your talking about me, I'll look into front squats, never tried them before.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Hahaha, America what on earth are you doing with your dollar? That refund I got from the phone company just covered a new pair of Romaleos plus shipping from the States (which was another 30% on top of the shoes).

  • moocowmoocow Registered User regular
    Oh god.

    Last night, I woke up at 9 (usually wake up at 1130), and couldn't stop thinking about the shitty work situation I'm in, so I went downstairs to the mini-gym to work out (has a squat rack and a bench, erg rowers, kettle bells, jump ropes...it's pretty great!). Then for PT after work, we just went to the big gym to do whatever we wanted, so I did some more lifting.

    Add in that I only got 5 hours of sleep. And I'm off tomorrow so I'm switching up my sleep schedule for the 24 hour shift I have coming up, so I'm up 5 hours past my usual bed time right now.

    Just got out of my chair and the DOMS are starting. Time to sleep so I miss some of it. :D

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  • Jimmy MarkuJimmy Marku LondonRegistered User regular
    Hahaha, America what on earth are you doing with your dollar? That refund I got from the phone company just covered a new pair of Romaleos plus shipping from the States (which was another 30% on top of the shoes).

    How much were they? You'll probably get stung on import tax and charges when they get here to the sum of about 25 quid.

    I used to order a lot of motocross stuff from the US when the dollar was 2 to the pound but on the whole it isn't worth it now.

  • ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    I just got stiffed on a bottle of cod liver oil, 6 quid VAT, fair enough. 8 quid royal mail "handling fee" for the privilege of paying them the 6 quid.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    All up USD$245, which came in at £148. I expect some kind of customs charge but it will still be reasonable. I'd been thinking it would be >£200.

    Got the black on black, too.

  • AretèAretè infiltrating neo zeed compoundRegistered User regular
    I am in the second cycle of 5/3/1 and I think I can safely say that deadlift day is the most brutal.

    Since I backed off 15% instead of 10%, on +5 and +3 days I go for 8 to 10 reps and on +1 I go 6-8.

    Well this past friday, I did deadlifts at 300x10 followed by the accessory work of five sets of 185x10...yeah I was wiped. Just ground into paste. Devoured dinner and was passed out by 11:30pm.

    I love that feeling of being crushed by a workout and goddamn, 5/3/1 teaches you to respect that bar.

  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    Are you guys doing your stretching before or after lifting?

    I've heard not to do it before you lift because of REASONS but I'm questioning that wisdom. I usually feel gassed and it makes stretching really suck after lifting. I like to do stretch before, foam roll after.

  • AretèAretè infiltrating neo zeed compoundRegistered User regular
    I stretch just before working out, though I tend to do small stretch's throughout the day.

    I tend to foam roll in between days or just when I'm feeling exceptionally tight.

  • Jimmy MarkuJimmy Marku LondonRegistered User regular
    Static stretching before training while enhancing flexibility can reduce force production, which apparently is not a downside shared by foam rolling or self massage so it's best to do those before, along with some dynamic stretches to warm up.

    I doubt it makes a huge difference though.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    I do mainly a combination of dynamic stretching and massage stick work pre-lifting (and always the mobwod hip opener, which is kinda static-y). I leave static work until after.

    I think what I like most about training in the evenings at a proper gym again is that I actually have time for a thorough warmup. Been hitting squats the last couple of sessions feeling fantastic.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    Prime wrote: »
    Dude in the last thread with no way to squat, clean that shit up and front squat. It's not perfect and you're limited by how much you can clean but it's better than nothing!

    I think your talking about me, I'll look into front squats, never tried them before.

    It could also be me. I'd definitely rather be using a rack/cage so I could heavy back squat, but clean & front squat is absolutely better than nothing. You'll never really be able to do really heavy squats that way (you'll be weight-limited by your clean), but you should still be able to clean enough to make high-volume squats (like 10-15 rep sets) hurt pretty good.

    I went back to Insanity a couple weeks ago, but my knee started hurting after a week (they always creak like crazy, but the pain was new and unwelcome). I think it's safe to assume it was probably an over-use injury. So I took a week off and then went back to lifting last night. Doing a modified version of that Nerd Fitness body-weight circuit. I'm doing weighted front squats for 10 reps, barbell rows, and I'm adding OHP just because I like OHP so much (might add glute bridge too. You know...for the wife).

    My quads, adductors, and ass are killing me. I didn't realize how much I've missed lifting for the past few weeks until I started again. Feels good.

  • PrimePrime UKRegistered User regular
    Sorry, what are you talking about when you say "clean", want to make sure we are on the same page.

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