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  • TavTav Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    I think it's kind of telling that if someone here had made a joke in similar taste about someone being trans, they would have had shit hurled at them but jokes about mental illness are a-ok.

    Don't worry guys, you sure as progressive and tolerant as you think you are.

    a lot of people get teased on here, dude. the "anguished artist" is a pretty well-worn trope. try not to take yourself so seriously. don't you do standup?

    The original joke wasn't aimed at me, and you thinking that it would need to be for me to be offended by it is weird.

    "Get a thicker skin" isn't the answer to everything.

    look dude i guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

    i don't regard allusions to the "angsty teen writing poetry in her livejournal and listening to emo music and cutting" as beyond the limits of what passes for decency around here

    That's fine, don't get accusatory when someone does though.

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apo, did you see my comment yesterday about translation of French philosophers?

    i have been comparing some translations to original French and I feel like academics doing translation is... injecting a surprising level of obscurantism
    I did not.

    But then I also recall Sokal and Bricmont's Fashionable Nonsense which made no such observations on the subject.

    So I am surprised.

    i've been doing translation from French for a while now and I'm seeing a lot of warning signs in the English texts I've read, the kind of stuff you see when a translator is facing something complicated and difficult and convoluted and isn't quite sure a) if it makes sense, or b) if they properly understand it.

    i don't think it excuses point-blank wackiness like "feminine fluid physics," but (for example) "topologie" is a much broader figurative word in French than in English. that doesn't mean the topology thing isn't a language game, but it's a game that makes a lot more sense in French than in English.

    it goes right down to sentence structure, too, in that French often has longer and more complex sentences that can comfortably self-refer due to different syntactical functions (masculine vs feminine, more discrete verb conjugations, more discrete relationships between modifiers and modified nouns) which makes them easier to read and immediately understand on a structural level

    this produces some pretty shameful sentences in English unfortunately, if the translation sticks close to the source

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Organichu wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Evil Multifarious,‌ i thrive on time based/speed based games and things like word permutations are my jam

    have you played many of... what's his name... Vlaada Chivatl's games?

    Space Alert, Galaxy Trucker, etc.?

    because they sound up your alley

    if u have an iOS device, word mage is a pretty neat little boggle-based rpg fusion thing

    fill bars and level up as you boggle!

    i don't have an iOS device, much to my boardgaming dismay

    but filling bars is against everything i stand for anyways, will

    that sounds like level 1 thinking

    haha have you seen the meowmeow beenz episode of community

    yeah it was p funny

    apparently the community thread hated it because the community thread hates everything

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    DemonStacey
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    Tav if you're looking to have an a discussion about it maybe don't come out of the gate sarcastic and angry

    if you're not looking to have a discussion and just want to lash out that is a more grievous breach of decency than the joke was

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    Vanguard
  • TavTav Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    I was just using it as an example. I'm well aware of "punching up" and the different contexts around what it's ok to joke about with your friends, I just don't feel like mocking people who self harm is covered by that in this context

    not people
    teenagers

    That's great. I hope you remember this post when you're a father.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    my tummy is making the rumblies

  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill

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    VanguardDeebaserDemonStaceysyndalis
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    have you tried not being depressed

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    my tummy is making the rumblies

    What out for the goo that jets out of your bumblies.

    Ladies.
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apo, did you see my comment yesterday about translation of French philosophers?

    i have been comparing some translations to original French and I feel like academics doing translation is... injecting a surprising level of obscurantism
    I did not.

    But then I also recall Sokal and Bricmont's Fashionable Nonsense which made no such observations on the subject.

    So I am surprised.

    i've been doing translation from French for a while now and I'm seeing a lot of warning signs in the English texts I've read, the kind of stuff you see when a translator is facing something complicated and difficult and convoluted and isn't quite sure a) if it makes sense, or b) if they properly understand it.

    i don't think it excuses point-blank wackiness like "feminine fluid physics," but (for example) "topologie" is a much broader figurative word in French than in English. that doesn't mean the topology thing isn't a language game, but it's a game that makes a lot more sense in French than in English.

    it goes right down to sentence structure, too, in that French often has longer and more complex sentences that can comfortably self-refer due to different syntactical functions (masculine vs feminine, more discrete verb conjugations, more discrete relationships between modifiers and modified nouns) which makes them easier to read and immediately understand on a structural level

    this produces some pretty shameful sentences in English unfortunately, if the translation sticks close to the source

    Interesting.

    I would care to see some examples if you feel so inclined.

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    Abdhyius
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    I was just using it as an example. I'm well aware of "punching up" and the different contexts around what it's ok to joke about with your friends, I just don't feel like mocking people who self harm is covered by that in this context

    not people
    teenagers

    That's great. I hope you remember this post when you're a father.

    lighten up, dude

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    override367DeebaserDemonStaceysyndalisElldren
  • VanguardVanguard Je suis le savant au fauteuil sombre. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill

    yeah i don't even know why people choose mentally ill as a career path

    it's like hello

    guidance counselors?

    Apothe0sisoverride367GooeyDemonStaceyElldren
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    I think I'm going to die before lunch

    need food badly

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    Ladies.
    PowerpuppiesDelmain
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apo, did you see my comment yesterday about translation of French philosophers?

    i have been comparing some translations to original French and I feel like academics doing translation is... injecting a surprising level of obscurantism
    I did not.

    But then I also recall Sokal and Bricmont's Fashionable Nonsense which made no such observations on the subject.

    So I am surprised.

    i've been doing translation from French for a while now and I'm seeing a lot of warning signs in the English texts I've read, the kind of stuff you see when a translator is facing something complicated and difficult and convoluted and isn't quite sure a) if it makes sense, or b) if they properly understand it.

    i don't think it excuses point-blank wackiness like "feminine fluid physics," but (for example) "topologie" is a much broader figurative word in French than in English. that doesn't mean the topology thing isn't a language game, but it's a game that makes a lot more sense in French than in English.

    it goes right down to sentence structure, too, in that French often has longer and more complex sentences that can comfortably self-refer due to different syntactical functions (masculine vs feminine, more discrete verb conjugations, more discrete relationships between modifiers and modified nouns) which makes them easier to read and immediately understand on a structural level

    this produces some pretty shameful sentences in English unfortunately, if the translation sticks close to the source

    Interesting.

    I would care to see some examples if you feel so inclined.

    just on the sidelines of this conversation but yes me too translations is my jam

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  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    Motion for chill ass good vibes chat.

    Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu
    Abdhyius
  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill

    yeah i don't even know why people choose mentally ill as a career path

    it's like hello

    guidance counselors?

    yeah its like

    just go get a job like a normal person you freak

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    VanguardApothe0sisfirewaterwordDemonStaceysyndalis
  • BethrynBethryn Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill
    Should try being mentally chill instead.

    firewaterwordGooeyDemonStacey
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apo, did you see my comment yesterday about translation of French philosophers?

    i have been comparing some translations to original French and I feel like academics doing translation is... injecting a surprising level of obscurantism
    I did not.

    But then I also recall Sokal and Bricmont's Fashionable Nonsense which made no such observations on the subject.

    So I am surprised.

    i've been doing translation from French for a while now and I'm seeing a lot of warning signs in the English texts I've read, the kind of stuff you see when a translator is facing something complicated and difficult and convoluted and isn't quite sure a) if it makes sense, or b) if they properly understand it.

    i don't think it excuses point-blank wackiness like "feminine fluid physics," but (for example) "topologie" is a much broader figurative word in French than in English. that doesn't mean the topology thing isn't a language game, but it's a game that makes a lot more sense in French than in English.

    it goes right down to sentence structure, too, in that French often has longer and more complex sentences that can comfortably self-refer due to different syntactical functions (masculine vs feminine, more discrete verb conjugations, more discrete relationships between modifiers and modified nouns) which makes them easier to read and immediately understand on a structural level

    this produces some pretty shameful sentences in English unfortunately, if the translation sticks close to the source

    if you have ever read early nabokov or umberto eco, it's an enormous amount of pan-lingual wordplay. like nabokov would write in russian but make some dude's name a backwards pun in german or something. eco does the same sort of thing in italian but doing, like, these elaborate greek/ german wordplays and such.

    translators HATE him

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Goddamnit, why are all Card Battle Games hard to get or on the wrong platforms?
    I'm working on my PC-situation, but I don't even want an "Androidphone", whatever that it. Maybe I should try Baten Kaitos, even though it's not quite what I'm looking for. At this pace I'll end up taking Monster Monpiece seriously.

  • BogartBogart I Will Cure You Registered User, Moderator mod
    Irond Will wrote: »
    apparently the community thread hated it because the community thread hates everything

    Each fan kills the thing he loves.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I am chill

    I think it may be because my natural state is hung over, and since I am hung over, then my body and soul are at peace

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill
    Should try being mentally chill instead.

    chili palmer

    it's chili outside

    and it's chili inside

    get it?

    sig.gif
  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill
    Should try being mentally chill instead.

    Why don't depressed people just try being happy for a change?

  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    I heard we were twisting knickers and came as quickly as I could

    DemonStacey
  • DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    Seriously, this is a simple equilibrium we got here. Don't go messin' it up, people.

    syndalis wrote: »
    Apple is a terrible company.
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    maybe you people should just shut up and stop being so mentally ill

    yeah i don't even know why people choose mentally ill as a career path

    it's like hello

    guidance counselors?

    you needed the 10 points to put into jrpg skills

    natch

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    Vanguard
  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    guys i made a post at 10:42 am and it is not there

    but it's in my post history

    EXPLAIN

    poo
    Apothe0sis
  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Oh, Baten Kaitos is also harder to get than I thought, because of regionlock.

  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    I just got fed up looking for a font and made my own damn font. Took way longer than it had any right to.

    Resisting urge to kern it.

  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    I was just using it as an example. I'm well aware of "punching up" and the different contexts around what it's ok to joke about with your friends, I just don't feel like mocking people who self harm is covered by that in this context

    not people
    teenagers

    That's great. I hope you remember this post when you're a father.
    On the one hand this seems fairly mean spirited. And so interacts strangely with your call for consideration.

    On the other hand, I am imaging this is what your stand up is like, and think you'd probably kill as a bitter angry Irishman.

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    guys i made a post at 10:42 am and it is not there

    but it's in my post history

    EXPLAIN

    Poltergeists.

    Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu
    DemonStaceyInfamyDeferred
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Delmain wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    Seriously, this is a simple equilibrium we got here. Don't go messin' it up, people.

    Some sort of infraction Jesus or some shit

    Ladies.
  • HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    guys i made a post at 10:42 am and it is not there

    but it's in my post history

    EXPLAIN

    Aliens

    ronya
  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    I'm fairly sure I have some sort of mental illness that just hasn't been diagnosed yet.

    Switch FC code:SW-2130-4285-0059

    Arch,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    this chat is not nearly as enthralled with frog fractions as i am

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    ‌ I find the field of translation fascinating for a lot of reasons. If you're reading a translation of a poem, for example, the chances of that person speaking the language with anything that would be called fluency is very, very slim. In fact, the worst translations are often done by people who have a deep understanding of the language, but no understanding of literature.

    I'm not sure if this is the same for philosophy texts, but, having a passing familiarity with some , I imagine it helps tremendously to know just as much about literature as it does the language.

    you definitely need to understand the art form when you're doing literary translation (which I don't do, because I've never had the chance and it pays very poorly), because you can easily look up the functional linguistic aspects but it's much harder to look up or even recognize literary techniques

    but the kind of philosophy they're translating - in French, it's already on the edge of making sense at all. a lot of these guys are basically writing a weird kind of poetry because they don't feel their point can be best made (or made at all) with direct, clear language. since they're often discussing the inherent properties and failures of thought and language.

    so i feel like it's really easy to lose the effect they're trying to achieve when translating, and a given passage might have meaning only because of a particular connotation of a particular word, as it would in poetry - and if that connotation is disrupted or lost in translation, the passage will be gutted.

    i mean i'm sure a lot of the translators are hardcore academic translators who grapple with this problem all their life, as a career, and a lot of them are fluently bilingual or trilingual and study philosophy in various languages

    but it seems like a near-impossible task in some cases

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
    VanguardElldren
  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    Everyone be happy you assholes!



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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck (♡°◡°) Registered User regular
    @spool32 @Eddy‌

    1 bottle of wine
    + 5:45am wake up
    _______________
    intense regret

    InfamyDeferredspool32
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

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