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  • BogartBogart I Will Cure You Registered User, Moderator mod
    Why would you need to translate it into French? Re-type everything in English, but in caps, so it's like talking loudly at them. That's how to speak to the French.

    Apothe0sis
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    I'm fairly sure I have some sort of mental illness that just hasn't been diagnosed yet.

    I know a few words you can use temporarily.

  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    ...but when they entered, they did not find the body of Infraction Jesus...

    Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu
    Apothe0sis
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apo, did you see my comment yesterday about translation of French philosophers?

    i have been comparing some translations to original French and I feel like academics doing translation is... injecting a surprising level of obscurantism
    I did not.

    But then I also recall Sokal and Bricmont's Fashionable Nonsense which made no such observations on the subject.

    So I am surprised.

    i've been doing translation from French for a while now and I'm seeing a lot of warning signs in the English texts I've read, the kind of stuff you see when a translator is facing something complicated and difficult and convoluted and isn't quite sure a) if it makes sense, or b) if they properly understand it.

    i don't think it excuses point-blank wackiness like "feminine fluid physics," but (for example) "topologie" is a much broader figurative word in French than in English. that doesn't mean the topology thing isn't a language game, but it's a game that makes a lot more sense in French than in English.

    it goes right down to sentence structure, too, in that French often has longer and more complex sentences that can comfortably self-refer due to different syntactical functions (masculine vs feminine, more discrete verb conjugations, more discrete relationships between modifiers and modified nouns) which makes them easier to read and immediately understand on a structural level

    this produces some pretty shameful sentences in English unfortunately, if the translation sticks close to the source

    if you have ever read early nabokov or umberto eco, it's an enormous amount of pan-lingual wordplay. like nabokov would write in russian but make some dude's name a backwards pun in german or something. eco does the same sort of thing in italian but doing, like, these elaborate greek/ german wordplays and such.

    translators HATE him

    Local mum creates literature with this one "weird" literary device.

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    AbdhyiusMrMistera5ehren
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    guys i made a post at 10:42 am and it is not there

    but it's in my post history

    EXPLAIN

    any post you make with the word "buttz" gets autofiltered

    sorry shaz we had to cut down the volume somehow. we only have so much bandwidth

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    Ladies.
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    I just got fed up looking for a font and made my own damn font. Took way longer than it had any right to.

    Resisting urge to kern it.

    In what project did you use this don't then Wanky?

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Haphazard wrote: »
    guys i made a post at 10:42 am and it is not there

    but it's in my post history

    EXPLAIN

    Aliens

    (real answer: vanilla periodically loses posts like this, it's a known and old bug)

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    Haphazard
  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    @PantsB for your repertoire good buddy:

    Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu
  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    it has something to do with being botp/totp'ed, probably.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    on top of everything else, word on the street is that the steak is only cooked to medium rare

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    syndalis
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Apo, did you see my comment yesterday about translation of French philosophers?

    i have been comparing some translations to original French and I feel like academics doing translation is... injecting a surprising level of obscurantism
    I did not.

    But then I also recall Sokal and Bricmont's Fashionable Nonsense which made no such observations on the subject.

    So I am surprised.

    i've been doing translation from French for a while now and I'm seeing a lot of warning signs in the English texts I've read, the kind of stuff you see when a translator is facing something complicated and difficult and convoluted and isn't quite sure a) if it makes sense, or b) if they properly understand it.

    i don't think it excuses point-blank wackiness like "feminine fluid physics," but (for example) "topologie" is a much broader figurative word in French than in English. that doesn't mean the topology thing isn't a language game, but it's a game that makes a lot more sense in French than in English.

    it goes right down to sentence structure, too, in that French often has longer and more complex sentences that can comfortably self-refer due to different syntactical functions (masculine vs feminine, more discrete verb conjugations, more discrete relationships between modifiers and modified nouns) which makes them easier to read and immediately understand on a structural level

    this produces some pretty shameful sentences in English unfortunately, if the translation sticks close to the source

    Interesting.

    I would care to see some examples if you feel so inclined.

    I'm going to try to find some good ones! and also look up some critiques of the translations, if I can find them.

    i don't think it's going to magically make anyone see continental philosophy as a crystal clear legitimate branch of thought, though, if they are not a fan

    but when I looked up some Lacan in French his writing was startlingly different

    (although [root of -1] = penis is still bizarre and no amount of translation analysis is going to illuminate that)

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
    Apothe0sis
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited March 2014
    If teasing people is wrong I don't want to be right. Also you can make any joke as long as it's not truly mean spirited. Fuck, I made a trans joke about Atomika yesterday. I said a fat man's bodily fluids turned her female.

    But it wasn't mean spirited. That's not to say you can be taken wrong. Lord knows I am all the time. But you can't say "Oh this is off limits but this isn't", because that isn't necessarily true.
    But sometimes it is. But usually it isn't totally. It's called self awareness and learning from your mistakes and knowing when to apologize

    oh and also not being a giant pussy helps too.

    Ludious on
    zagdrobDemonStacey
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    on top of everything else, word on the street is that the steak is only cooked to medium rare

    But is the broccoli mush?

    Ladies.
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    on top of everything else, word on the street is that the steak is only cooked to medium rare

    Wow, it's a shame it's overcooked.

    override367DelmainRhesus PositiveHappylilElf
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    The most polite statement said in mean spirits is worse than the most tasteless joke that wasn't

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    If teasing people is wrong I don't want to be right. Also you can make any joke as long as it's not truly mean spirited. Fuck, I made a trans joke about Atomika yesterday. I said a fat man's bodily fluids turned her female.

    But it wasn't mean spirited. That's not to say you can be taken wrong. Lord knows I am all the time. But you can't say "Oh this is off limits but this isn't", because that isn't necessarily true.
    But sometimes it is. But usually it isn't totally. It's called self awareness and learning from your mistakes and knowing when to apologize

    oh and also not being a giant pussy helps too.

    This promotes a generally callous attitude and promotes division even under ideal circumstances and the only advantage is that you avoid the discomfort of having to be genuine with people.

    VariableSo It Goes
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    on top of everything else, word on the street is that the steak is only cooked to medium rare

    But is the broccoli mush?

    the bitterest mush

    Wqdwp8l.png
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew
    WHERE IS THE REALISM?

    BROCOLLI DOESNT HAVE ARMS!

    It describes a tragedy - the only time brocolli would even meet steak is if it were about to be eaten. Not only will their friendship be short lived but it would be disrupted by horrible destruction.

    Also, how would they even become friends? Is the some sot of universal food language?

    Apothe0sis on
    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    bowen
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    If teasing people is wrong I don't want to be right. Also you can make any joke as long as it's not truly mean spirited. Fuck, I made a trans joke about Atomika yesterday. I said a fat man's bodily fluids turned her female.

    But it wasn't mean spirited. That's not to say you can be taken wrong. Lord knows I am all the time. But you can't say "Oh this is off limits but this isn't", because that isn't necessarily true.
    But sometimes it is. But usually it isn't totally. It's called self awareness and learning from your mistakes and knowing when to apologize

    oh and also not being a giant pussy helps too.

    well, there are definitely circumstances where you cannot make a joke even if it's not truly mean spirited, right?

    knowing the company and your audience goes a long way though

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    we should probably start rounding up the mentally ill and putting them in camps

    that would solve the problem

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    Vanguard
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    on top of everything else, word on the street is that the steak is only cooked to medium rare

    the FDA should ban the serving of all steaks that aren't rare or medium rare

    why not save the money and just buy some shoes at wal-mart and eat those if it isn't pink inside

    override367 on
    firewaterword
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    if a book written in Russian has a name that is a pun in German, I'd just leave the name as-is

    if the original text is winking specifically at multi-lingual people, then the translation should as well

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
    P10HaphazardjakobaggerElldren
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Why's everyone so angry? I'm supposed to be the angry one

    if you want to be real mad, go back a few pages to see the picture that cass drew

    Can't a black guy and a green guy be friends?

    on top of everything else, word on the street is that the steak is only cooked to medium rare

    But is the broccoli mush?

    the bitterest mush

    I guess I can be a little bit angry.

    :disappointed:

    Ladies.
  • MrMisterMrMister A pup must first get in the water to be successful as a seal!Registered User regular
    "emo kid go cut yourself" jokes commit the unforgivable sin of being both boring and offensive

    ElkiInfamyDeferredEvil Multifariousoverride367jakobaggerElldren
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    camps are always the solution

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    Gooey
  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    If teasing people is wrong I don't want to be right. Also you can make any joke as long as it's not truly mean spirited. Fuck, I made a trans joke about Atomika yesterday. I said a fat man's bodily fluids turned her female.

    But it wasn't mean spirited. That's not to say you can be taken wrong. Lord knows I am all the time. But you can't say "Oh this is off limits but this isn't", because that isn't necessarily true.
    But sometimes it is. But usually it isn't totally. It's called self awareness and learning from your mistakes and knowing when to apologize

    oh and also not being a giant pussy helps too.

    I was truly worried this post was going to lack the proper Ludious punch and I was gonna have to call him out.

    But then he stuck the landing.

    desc wrote: »
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    zagdrobbowen
  • CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Im nice and warm and under a blanket.

  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Up until very recently I enjoyed McDolans patties more than any steak I ever had.

    Also everything should be cooked to medium. Evolution says so.

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
    bowen
  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    The most polite statement said in mean spirits is worse than the most tasteless joke that wasn't

    I truly thank you for this contribution. Its really fosters the idea that even the least among us have something to give.
    :p

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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    "emo kid go cut yourself" jokes commit the unforgivable sin of being both boring and offensive

    Down the lane, not across the street!

    Ladies.
    a5ehren
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Whelp last computer I am able to install is installed.

    Just about 6 hours of work left at this place doing IT.

    6 hours left doing IT.

    Yay.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    if a book written in Russian has a name that is a pun in German, I'd just leave the name as-is

    if the original text is winking specifically at multi-lingual people, then the translation should as well

    translator's note: raddest verdammte Kerl am Leben means gooey

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    I remember a video where a food magazine ambushed gordon ramsay and they were like "we ordered a steak well done at your restaurant and it was shit"

    and he's like, "you ordered a steak well done at my restaurant? you insult the chef like that and expect it to be good? just eat your shoe instead", paraphrasing

    override367 on
    Apothe0sis
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    I'm still in bed and eyeing the blue sky like it's up to something

    I should get some antihistamines make these hangovers less annoying

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  • TTODewbackTTODewback Not a Lizard Person Center of the EarthRegistered User regular
    You earned the Ninth Anniversary badge.
    Thanks for sticking with us for 9 years. +5 points

    God help me.

    Bless your heart.
    MazzyxDemonStacey
  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote: »
    we should probably start rounding up the mentally ill and putting them in camps

    that would solve the problem
    I knew we could solve this if we just dedicated some time and concentration.

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    Gooey
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    don't say "or drink less"

    that's not the kind of solution-oriented attitude I want here

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    I heard we were twisting knickers and came as quickly as I could

    ...

    So like every other time?

    desc wrote: »
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  • MrMisterMrMister A pup must first get in the water to be successful as a seal!Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    "emo kid go cut yourself" jokes commit the unforgivable sin of being both boring and offensive

    Down the lane, not across the street!

    women be shoppin m i right

    yawn

    bowenjakobagger
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